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nitrogen:I am not making excuses for him.. He's bought a lot and should deliver and in all honesty 2 trophies first year, 2nd in December this year, through to next round in UCL is delivering but we could do more. I am saying we have overspent on dross from moyes down. Miki in Mourinho's current squad is showing to be one. Lukaku is heading that way. Bailly now is becoming a crock. Maybe just maybe this were not the number 1 names on Mourinho's list. That Lukaku transfer somehow tells me so. It was too sudden. We might have gotten the number 1 names for the same or a little above the price of these if our transfer panel was up to scratch. |
patrickmuf:Thank God you brought this up. How would Mourinho release players when he's been given a limited budget in an inflated market and he can only fix a few areas of the pitch with it. A manager cannot let go of players if he won't be getting replacements. Mourinho is probably showing this frustration because obviously Ed isn't working along his agenda. You can't sell out up to 6 players for small sums for that matter amd expect to get in 3 or 4 and challenge for a season. Look at City's bench. Good enough to walk into our first team. Is it Gundogan or Bernado Silva or Aguero at times that won't make this our avergage team? |
BlueAngel444:Nobody is blaming City and Pep because they are achieving.. its because people make it look like Pep just came and city became an instant hit. Dude had to buy and it's paying off so why is Mourinho asking to buy to get to his target now a crime? |
patrickmuf:I am not being overly aggressive. It's just sad that you want to make a case for Martial over Mbappe when the evidence points to the fact Martial was infact an unknown buy to Many United fans as well as the English press. In fact, Martial was so unknown and underrated a song was made for him.. Incase you need the lyrics.Here it is Tony Martial came from France, English press said he had no chance, 50 million down the drain, As Tony martial scores again! Na Na Na… You can argue this if you want but Martial was money spent on an unknown signing. That you even use him playing first team in a squad that got to the quaters of the UCL says all about how you rate players. As for the Balon d'or clause, no dispute the club valued his talent enough to include that but would you compare his value and popularity in france to what Mpabbe was? Why people questioned Martial's talent, no one questioned Mbappe because it was clear to see this was a true, consistent talent. Why do i even think all those clauses were Monaco's way of stripping us of every cash they could get knowing we were more money than sense under LVG |
CapitalCee:You still didn't answer me. I hate Mourinho's football philosophy with a passion. I prefer to force a reaction than wait for one. But my question is considering where we were and were we are now in European football, who is the prime replacement candidate for sacking Mourinho? I need names. |
CapitalCee:This i guess was the idea in the first season. With Ibrahimovic, miki, bailly we achieved some stability. Now second season we were to add real talented players and keep the blinds, Herrera as squad options which we seem to have done but not done properly. We needed to sell out at least 4 players from our current squad that looks bloated on paper and get up to 5 players in.. at least 3 of which are real world class talent. We are united, we should act and appear on the pitch as it. I know Mourinho has not done enough on his part but the board also hasn't done enough too. He wouldn't use the press to communicate to the board if something wasn't wrong in the background. |
patrickmuf:Not to sound like a conspiracy theorist. Its one thing to spend and another to spend on your set targets. I may not have seen Mourinho's list but i can tell you listening to him say things like "There's a different price for big clubs, big clubs based on their history and there's a different price for other clubs" it was obvious the Man is growing frustrated with the fact he probably didn't get the actual players he set out for in the market. If United had gone for Mendy or Walker or Jesus, Sane, i am sure they would have cost us nothing less than 50 mil each for defenders and more than 80 for attackers. City can pay those or even less because they don't have our history but we have to realize this is the realities of the market so we pay what we have to pay for the best players the manager wants. We Penny pinch and end up paying the amount we could have bought those guys for actual average players. Rival fans can call us any name they want but if we were top of the league with City's point gap todayand have spent a true fortune on quality players to get there then i honestly don't care. But trying to be frugal because of Moyes and LVG and keeping to 3-4 players per window with a budget not above £150 per window, we can only get what we have now. Few mid-quality players bought by Mourinho and not enough to replace or upgrade if they don't deliver |
CapitalCee:Now my question to you like i pose to every other fan out there is.. Who is the replacement? Who is the manager with the pedigree, winning mentality and prestige to become our manager when we sack Mourinho? This is not in defense of Mourinho but in finding out what truly the Mourinho out brigade want for the team. |
patrickmuf:Now this is one is a lie. Can you in all honesty compare Martial and Mbappe's breakthrough season? Can you? This is a player that was linked to all the top clubs in the world almost every week for months and now you want to compare with Martial who everyone was questioning the transfer and the sum involved for a relatively unknown player. Baba abeg talk true this one nor follow abeg. |
patrickmuf:Has Arsenal, Liverpool not invested in their squad over several years.. tell me what that has gotten them. In fact the Arsenal case is quite obvious and is exactly what investing quality players over squad players can do for you. Was it not when Ozil and Sanchez came in they started winning something again. Saying investment line is ridiculous is naivety of the highest order. We've bought too many average joes since Ferguson. Only with Mourinho have we been getting some players with signs of quality in them. What you are failing to get from my argument because of your Mourinho hatred is that we have spent well but spent on average players. You can only motivate average players the best as you can, they'll still be average. Whether you agree or not, the manager deals with the players everyday and from experience can tell he doesn't have a good enough squad. He has cried out now and the board better listens. Y'all can keep calling him chequebook and whatever narratives makes you exonerate our average squad and put all the blame on Mourinho. Lemme quickly do. I am amazed you'd even compare Fergies time to now when Liverpool can pay up to 75 mil for a defender. Are you really serious? United and Arsenal were the only teams digging it out for years. We bought players for record sums all through that time, mixing it with talent and youth. The competition among teams wasn't as fierce. The need to outspend Rivals for top quality talent wasn't there. We invested more in our youth team because at the time we could have afford to see young players we bought cheap or came through the academy fail and keep trying. Do you think anyone will have the patience we had with Rashford if he keeps running endlessly as he is doing today or Martial who cuts this frustrated figure when he is responsible for his own mess everytime. Do you think we have the time to waste when City, Chelsea and now Liverpool are going all out for talents out there? Are you so distant from the realities of present day football? Wake up man. This is 2017. If fergie was here, bro he'd spend that money but being a man who saw the future like he always has, he knew it'll tarnish his reputation for bringing through youth if he stayed further and began to rely exclusively on chequebook. Football was going rotten and fergie wasn't gonna be a part of it. |
elampiro:Is it not funny how supposed fans lap up what United haters say about Mourinho. All of a sudden Mourinho turns everybody to defenders but people have easily forgotten his Madrid and Chelsea First stint team. SMH! |
I may not like Mourinho's football too much but this quote from redcafe couldn't be farther from the truth. You can only sell players if you have been promised competent replacements. Who just sells without a hope of new recruits? Jose can only sell when he gets money to buy.There's just a lack of investment in our team and as much as i hate Mourinho's football, i have to say he's tried so well to bring the best out of a truly average squad. While Pep and City have the funds to even correct transfer Pep's gaffes, we are still shoehorning Mata into the right wing because we don't have solid options. Against Leicester city and Burnley, our imbalance was clear as daylight as we kept using the left. Ibrahimovic for all his previous success is now only half what he was. He's now too old and that injury may have probably ended his career for us. We need quality players in this team, not just because we aim to win the league, but because we need to stand toe to toe with some of the biggest sides in football. Let's not kid ourselves, if we were to face Madrid, Barca or Bayern today, we might receive a football lesson. We will only come out victorious because anything can happen with the underdog but it's a shame we should be underdogs almost all the time. Mourinho wanted 4 players in the summer (a number i suspect the club pegged for transfers) yet he got 3..We made a mess of the Morata deal which is disgraceful to us, we massively overpaid for Lukaku in a Rooney swap that should have cost us even less than 60 mil. Only Matic deal looked to be without any issue. The perisic one was even more disgraceful. Haggling over prices city would pay without batting an eyelid. The guy was already showing signs of wanting to leave. The club preseason photo said all about that, but we were still toying around with paltry sums that a supposed big club should play. Let's not even talk of what Woodward was doing in the US while clubs were making moves for their players. We've been a mess for some time transfer wise starting from the Moyes time. It's time we got our acts together and invest in this team... Walker and Mendy are players for their positions. Valencia and Young aren't, Martial and Rashford are inconsistent kids. Maybe City is doing it with kids but we shouldn't yet. We may have won one or two tinpot trophies last season but even then towards the end of the season, the lack of true talent was obvious. Our rebuilding job has been slow and our transfer policy to rectify deficiencies has been erratic. We have to as a matter of urgency take Mourinho's complaints seriously. All this stupid arguments for kids and stars will do us no good. We have seen how poor we were with kids under LVG, how Assnal have been with them now we are seeing what we can achieve with a more matured squad. We need more world class players to play with the inconsistent kids we currently have. I feel Mourinho's football will improve with quality players in the squad. He'd probably be more confident sending out attacking players to attack instead of sending out the Rashford types who runs like a headless chicken or Martial types who keep loosing balls to the opposition and causing needless counters. I'd be more confident seeing players like Insigne, Douglas Costa, Dybala, Greizmann, Bale despite his injuries or James Rodriguez in my attack than the current crop of inexperienced dross we have. |
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Lana1:With a 14 point advantage.. what better definition of insanity. |
United is not the only club in England naw..
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Leyqute:The shape shifting reptilian troglodyte was confident Pep was a fraud then considering how miserable he was last season so he quickly rushed to proclaim Mourinho to win the league. Now he's been found out, his excuse is 'brilliance'.. Raumdeuter stop making a fool of yourself because of some bald chequebook fraudster. |
Lana1:Don't bother yourself.. The shape shifting alien creature will do what it does best. |
raumdeuter:A matured person will not denigrate himself the way you so sadly do. I feel for those arguing with you here. Pathetic excuse for a lower animal. |
raumdeuter:Yea atleast it keeps me from STD's which obviously your lil p'ssy boyfriend has given to you else how can anyone explain your amala turning speciality if it's not down to a new and viral form of STD still unknown to mankind. When you grow up, start living life by being principled and knowing to retract from arguments that make you look foolish the more you try to be factual then we can talk. Meanwhile my question is hanging. |
raumdeuter:Lol.. Small boy. Say hi to your boyfriend Pep. Both of you deserve each other. Both non men. |
raumdeuter:Okay answer one question. No extra talk just Yes or No and if you can't answer that way ill be able to peg an age range for you. Superior or Inferior, are the 'things' United won last season called trophies? |
Well our own fans sang to our Bus parking prowess today, i guess in solidarity with City players who were all singing about it after beating Tottenham clueless. https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1572070542862097&id=447649681970861 I wouldn't say embarrassing because we are second and top the rest fvckers bar city in every statistics |
JayKayMaybachz:I don't even know why i bother. All this Neymar fan boys who know zilch about football. |
As for me my shame is not hidden.. City are the best but Tottenham going dark arts with the tackle is a signal of what teams have realized is the only way to spoil their plans this season and i like it. City players now have targets on their backs and unlike spain where referee's would have sent either Alli or Kane off, English referee's almost encourage it. Someone will send their best players out soon Shawcross style. |
Neymar1095:And am i worse for spending 100 million on one player or like Pep throwing Qatar ever running petro dollars at new players every season. Signing new players in the same position season after season. Let's ignore that fact since your God spends so well he is blameless with his transfers. |
Neymar1095:Please shut the f up and stop being a nuisance..They've spent Millions for like replacements for Silva, who replaces Pogba at United? You keep trolling senselessly. Of all the teams Pep Guardiola played, which of them was he doing time wasting in? Anuofia |
JayKayMaybachz:In retrospect we now realize we were not so terrible if not for Lukaku. People don't understand when Mourinho keeps mentioning respect. Today Pep has been shown how to respect a petrol dolllar superior team. Imagine 4-0. |
I don vex go house.. Madrid celebrating club world cup trophy one place, City making the Epl a joke.. Spanish football fans making life miserable for everybody... Mscheeww |
Rubbish! |
LongD:I have been telling some racist socalled united fans this recently. Stats don't lie. Pogba is undoubtedly our most important player and possibly the most all round Midfielder to ever play the game. Anytime he's off the team, the midfield just collapses. We start resorting to long balls to no one because the midfielders can't hold the ball under pressure so they send it back to the defenders.. who have mastered the art of lobbing balls to nobody. Only pogba is able to use his physicality and technique at the same time to create space for others and send the balls to them. There is a reason we are forcing the Captain arm band on him because in a few years the Carrick's, Valencia's and co will be history.. Only Pogba of the current class of stars measures with them and possibly above based on what we know he can deliver. |
thickminaj:Okay... That Yoruba-Edo girl |
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United is not the only club in England naw..