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Blabbermouth:
Okay, I see that the question is too tough for you.
We both know why.

you see little dum dum
2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

here again fool:

johnw47:
i don't have chats with pigs and dogs, mor-on
you as dum as lie lie roseline

Blabbermouth:
We've ironed that before.
Okay, let me rephrase
Sir John, do you use condom in intercourse?

i don't have chats with pigs and dogs, mor-on
you as dum as lie lie roseline

Blabbermouth:
I remember you today.

In all honesty sir, do you use condom in intercourse?

in all honesty, fool

Zzor:
Why have you been disturbing him,have you taken over from fake pastor johnw47,respect yourself

perverse lie lie roseline, nairaland's most unintelligent

r you still loving your adultry, anal intercourse, and oralsex
of course you are
https://www.nairaland.com/5885909/im-beginning-reason-jehovah-witness/206#94659748


Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Isa 3:24 And it shall come to pass, that instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of fine clothes sackcloth; and instead of well set hair baldness; and instead of a sash a rope; and burning instead of beauty.

Zzor

false jw trivina
you will give max oralsex whenever you feel like it

and you mad max said it's "holy" what a married couple do behind closed doors
however that's not what false jw org say:

https://jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/oral-anal-sex.php
The Watchtower defines fornication to include oral and anal sex. As such, Jehovah's Witnesses are not to participate in oral or anal sex, even if married and both parties consent. If found out, the couple will be stripped of any privileges they hold in the congregation. They can be disfellowshipped for these practices if they refuse to stop participating in them.


^^ 1Th 4:3  For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication:


Oral or anal sex between married couples was classified as;

a disfellowshipping offence 1974
no longer a disfellowshipping offence 1978
once again a disfellowshipping offence 1983
Since 2011 vague


^^ those fallen angels that visit your head quarters are confused, of course


jw org calls oralsex "perverted", "obscene" and "pornia":
"perverted" acts, such as oral or anal sex, within the marriage
the apostle refers to as "disgraceful" sexual appetites and "obscene" practices.
can also be designated as "porneia"


Watchtower 1969 12/15 pp.765-766
Some have contended, however, that absolutely anything done between husband and wife is permissible. However, that view is not supported in the Bible
a covetous desire for sexual excitement is not approved by God.


trivina and mad max
false jw org doesn't support your perversions

but don't worry
haddeylium, Jozzy4, Janosky, and Blabbermouth do

Blabbermouth:
OK, you win. You are right.

Now, can you stop mentioning me over this matter?

good, u now c the common sense truth of the matter

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks, i've told John repeatedly that whatever happens between a man and a woman (married) behind closed doors is "Holy" so far they're both enjoying it. God joined them together as one body and they're now like one soul. But he kept posting it everywhere as if he never heard such before. Even if his pastors failed to teach him sex education and now that he has found out that it has nothing to do with holiness, i think he should know better. I purposely told him in a chat that there are certain aspects of life on earth that those going to heaven will no more engage in that's all and ever since then he's been repeating it in every thread as if heaven will fall because he heard that a preacher is fully enjoying sex life with his own wife!

MaxInDHouse, concerning trivina saying she gives you hand and blow jobs whenever she feels like it
you said "whatever happens between a man and a woman (married) behind closed doors is "Holy" so far they're both enjoying it

and AkinwaleJJ, haddeylium, Jozzy4, Janosky, Blabbermouth, all sided with you

so, is blow jobs and anal intercourse etc. between married couples behind closed doors
"holy" so long as they are enjoying it?

perverted and immoral lost fools

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

MaxInDHouse:
In that case lots of religious folks that agreed with the idea are Satan's mob so it's not only Jehovah's Witnesses!

oh duh of course it's not dum unstable one

Jud 1:18  How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 
Jud 1:19  These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

MaxInDHouse:
Though most religious teachers often shy away from topics having to do with the sex life of married couples but i'll prefer you start a thread on that topic and try not to insult, abuse or curse commentators.
Let's listen as adherents of different religious groups come in to say either what they feel about the topic or what their religion teaches. Note what God's word foretold about Christianity when it's getting to the climax of the purpose for which Jesus established it at Jeremiah 31:34, there God made it clear that a time will come when nobody will have to teach one another how to know (worship God in holiness) because all the worshipers of the true God by then will know how to render sacred service to God without blemish.

So i'll implore you to open a thread on the topic, invite people from different religions to come and share what they know, i'll be there to share my own opinion, note that each couple often agree on what to do together as their religiously trained conscience permits them in this regard. Even amongst members of Jehovah's Witnesses there are some couples that may not buy the idea of other sexual acts feeling it's unnecessary but on that note what the Organization says is "mind your own business" {1Thessalonians 4:11} so if a witness know or heard that a married Christian brother or sister is having extramarital affairs, a report must be made but there is nothing to report in whatever sexual act a married couple engage in so even if you see them through the window because they're are no longer two but one! Genesis 2:24 compare to Matthew 19:5-6
Thanks and God bless you!

perverse loving false jw mad max

i replyed to what you said in this thread

start up your topic yourself fool

you are just continuing to run away from what you said
that a married couple can do any sex behind closed doors so long as they like it
and that its even "holy"

that's a lot of bull as anyone that's not mad knows
but take comfort that others of satan's mob agree with you

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Janosky:
Bros, are you married ?

According to your Bible, is it 'unnatural sex act' for your wifey boobies to intoxicate you ?

false jw
i am married which has nothing to do with the subject, oh know nothing fraud jw janosky

being intoxicated by boobies is not a sex act, mumu jw
the intoxication is in the mind

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.


talk about no get SENSE

Janosky:

JohnW, Y you no get SENSE?

You didn't address my questions

Janosky:

JohnW, Y you no get SENSE?

You didn't address my questions

wayo jw janosky

anything between married man and woman being "holy" is the subject, oh confused one, and scaredy runaway
and we know that you agree with mad max and others of satans mob that any sex act between married couples is "holy"

being intoxicated over boobies may not be sin, but intoxication is not "holy" either, fool

so i say again:
big mumu fraud jw janosky:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Janosky:
Bros, are you married ?

According to your Bible, is it 'unnatural sex act' for your wifey boobies to intoxicate you ?

mumu and immoral false jw janosky

of course you agree with mad max that
God is for unnatural sex acts between married couples
which acts includes blowlobs and analsex etc.
and that those sex acts are in fact "Holy"

big mumu fraud jw janosky:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

MaxInDHouse:
She'll not respond to you again so focus on the topic of discussion, it's like only you that's interested in the private sex life of a legally and scripturally married couple!

unstable false jw mad max



humans have only one exterior sex organ
penis for the male and vagina for the female
the penis and the vagina are made for each other
sexual intercourse with the penis and the vagina
which are the only sex organs is the only natural
sex act, hence all other sex acts are unnatural

penis and vagina is the only way to procreate

using mouth and anus for sex is unnatural
those with the Holy Spirit know this, and
even just common sense tells honest persons this

you who teaches that unnatural sex acts are okay with God
and are in fact "holy" between husband and wife, are perverse
and a false teacher, and those agreeing with you are of course
also perverse:

2Pe_2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies,



but immorality and lawlessness abounds in these last days:

2Pe 3:3  Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts

Jud 1:18  How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts. 
Jud 1:19  These be they who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.

AkinwaleJJ:
Though he banned me from commenting on the R~section on NL but i woke up this morning and i can't stop laughing, you're just as naughty as my man.
Surely i also don't give in to anal sex cause i can't just sense the pleasure after trying it once since 24 years ago with my ex, my hobby also hate it but oral is best when there's no preventives or during menstrual cycle.
It's like most ex Muslims have same thinking cap, your demanding scriptural backing for Mr John's pigheaded opinion shows you're same as my hobby!

false jw trivina
you satans mob love talking about your unnatuural perverted sex activities to all

and yes blabber did ask for scripture after i have already posted some
and which you also are blinded to:

2Co_4:4  In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.


so what are these? cannot stop lying, unnatural and immoral trivina:

Jas_1:15  Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

1Jn_2:16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

1 Thes 4:3-5. "For this is the will of God,...ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor. Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God"



and more that you didn't see, blinded false jw trivina:

Gal_5:16  This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

1Co 14:40  Let all things be done decently and in order.

Heb_13:4  Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled:

2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, since we have promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates the body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.

Romans 12:1 I appeal to you therefore brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, Which is your spiritual worship.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price, therefore glorify God in your body, and in your Spirit, which are God's.


and yet more blinded one:

all forms of sexual immorality are sinful

1Th 4:3  For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 
1Th 4:4  That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 
1Th 4:5  Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 
1Th 4:6  That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 
1Th 4:7  For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 
1Th 4:8  He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.



paul identifies as sinful what is not natural. any sex act therefore that is not natural would be wrong. explicitly, paul identifies homosexuality. implicitly, paul refers to what is not natural generally.

Rom 1:24  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
Rom 1:25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
Rom 1:26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

haddeylium:
You're dyslexic?
You've been parading yourself as a pervert all along..
You're the only quoting and crying over anal sex
How could someone not loose a brain cells in conversations with you
Rest ahbegg!

that's it coward run away again from the truth
twist things around like all you false jw's do

the fact is you, jozz, blabber etc. are agreeing with mad max
that a married couple can do anything behind closed doors,
max and trivina mentioned hand jobs and blow jobs, and so anal
intercourse also fits into the anything catorgrie, unstable max
says they are not only okay, but anything a married couple do
behind closed doors is "holy", deluded one and all

that's the subject girlie, that you all keep running from
liars and deceivers that you are:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

haddeylium:
In public forum as this, you don't expect everyone to share the same view as you. Don't be so quick to insult people.

Taking dogmatic stand in situations where God doesn't not give clear-cut rules as the manner to which sexual relation should be between Husband and Wife is repugnant.

God created sex for couples to enjoy and not just for 'reproduction style/sake' . He wants them to express love to themselves some expression of it in (Proverbs 5:15-20), you might also want to read song of Solomon.

Don't police people or authorized your traditional view on them.
One thing certain is that, every couple will stand in judgement before God .

Awaiting the usual insult

false jw haddey

of course you believe like other false jw's that it's alright with God for you to have any kinds of sex, which includes anal sex behind closed doors between a married couple, so long as you enjoy it, and that it is in fact "holy"

you are clearly satan's mob:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Blabbermouth:
Matthew 5:22.

Luk_12:20  But God said unto him, fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?

like i said blabbermouth fool
you wouldn't know Jesus if you came face to face with Him

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Blabbermouth:
Jesus asked me to tell you that, with your use of "fools", you are writing an admission letter to the lake of fire.

dum dum blabbermouth fool, you wouldn't know Jesus if you came face to face with Him

Blabbermouth:
That's your M.O, you resort to verbal abuse when you realize you've started what you can't finish.
Since you are the one with the divine mandate, empowered by the spirit to educate the body of christ on how sexual intercourse should be carried out between married couples.
Go ahead and tell us...

I'm 100% sure you use condoms or your wife uses contraceptives.
If you get liver, show me where your use of condom in endorsed by the bible.

blabber
what is is about this that you immoral fool don't understand

johnw47:
i'm not interested in what you think, immoral fool

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

all forms of sexual immorality are sinful

1Th 4:3  For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: 
1Th 4:4  That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; 
1Th 4:5  Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: 
1Th 4:6  That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified. 
1Th 4:7  For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness. 
1Th 4:8  He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.



paul identifies as sinful what is not natural. any sex act therefore that is not natural would be wrong. explicitly, paul identifies homosexuality. implicitly, paul refers to what is not natural generally.

Rom 1:24  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: 
Rom 1:25  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. 
Rom 1:26  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Blabbermouth:
It's not sensible to shove your opinion down people's throat and use your sentiments to back it up.

Sex-tronomy chapter what verse what will I find this written? That's the simple question I'm asking you.

I don't know of you, but I don't go low to abusing people when I can't prove a belief with the scripture.

i'm not interested in what you think, immoral fool

Blabbermouth:
I'm a fool? No problem.

Whenever you are ready to give the biblically recommended or prohibited sex positions, pre intimacy, duration, condom, orgasm, use of fingers and the likes, holla me.

Holy spirit? The holy spirit in me?
Oh, you are saying the holy spirit in me should have told me that analsex and oral are perverted sex acts, and they are sin.
Hahahahahahaha, hahahahahahaha, hahahahahahaha.

There was this day I tried eating pork. Prior to that day, I've not eaten pork before because I was raised in a strict Muslim family.
Actually, it's not as if I was hungry or something, I just wanted to flex my SALVATION, my NO LONGER UNDER THE LAW card, you know.

I bought #100 own and was about devouring it. There is this kind of awareness or aura that comes in me whenever I'm sinning or about to sin knowingly, I felt that same awareness and aura when I wanted to eat the pork.
I just look away (ignored the awareness check) and started eating the pork. Bro, for some time, I just didn't know what happened - but I knew something did not add up.

Now, because of that experience, do you suggest I go about telling people that EATING PORK IS A SIN? No! God forbid! What scripture will I use to back that up?

There are some things that may count as sin, but then, it is relative to whoever is engaging in such.
Take alcohol for example, in all honesty, taking alcohol moderately is not a sin.

However for a guy that misbehaves if he takes just one shot, the holy spirit might put such person in check to NEVER TASTE ALCOHOL. Should he go about claiming that DRINKING ALCOHOL MODERATELY IS SIN? God forbid!

Such is the case with MouthAction, anal sex and the likes. Personally, I don't buy the idea of anal sex, it's just not alright with me. However, that doesn't warrant me to go about telling MARRIED COUPLES that Anal sex is sin.
Sex-tronomy chapter what verse what is that written ?

like i said fool, if you had God's Holy Spirit

you would know that anal intercourse even between married couples etc. is not "holy" etc.

Ecc_7:6  For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool:

Blabbermouth:
If you will be opening this page fully, you sir, should be ready to tell us the biblical guidelines for having sexual intercouse with one's wife.
For starters
1. According to the bible, what are the permitted sex styles one is to use during intercourse?

2. According to the bible, how many rounds are we to go in a day?

3. According to the bible, is a woman allowed to orgasm?

4. According to the bible, is condom prohibited?

Perhaps, after you've given the biblical guideline on sex position, orgasm, pre-intimacy, condom, duration and the likes, then we can begin to truthfully juxtapose between the good acts of the bedroom and lusty (just as you put it) acts of the bedroom.

blabbermouth fool

i'm not here to search for verses and answer questions of fools
which wouldn't change the fact that unnatural sexual acts
such as anal intercourse is wrong

it of course is not acceptable to God and certainly
is not considered "holy" by God even if done in private between
a married couple

immoral fool like false jw's
if you had God's Holy Spirit you would know that perverted sex acts are against God

Pro_12:15  The way of a fool is right in his own eyes:

of course only satans mob agree with each other that
blow jobs and anal intercourse etc. is okay with God
and not only is okay but is "holy"

false jw's of course are of the devil:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Gal_5:16  This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

1Co 14:40  Let all things be done decently and in order.

Heb_13:4  Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled:

2 Corinthians 7:1 Therefore, since we have promises, dear friends, let us purify ourselves from everything that contaminates the body and spirit, perfecting holiness out of reverence for God.

Romans 12:1 I appeal to you therefore brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, Which is your spiritual worship.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price, therefore glorify God in your body, and in your Spirit, which are God's.

Jas_1:15  Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

1Jn_2:16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

1 Thes 4:3-5. "For this is the will of God,...ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor. Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God"

Jozzy4:
Go back to my post and read the scripture quoted and stop acting silly in public. I shared that post not only for MaxiInDHouse , But any other couple you meet , don't ever interfere in their private matters. Whatever they do is between them. They have authority over every part of their bodies.

your quoted verse is not license for immorality, fool

oh duh sexualy immoral false jw jozz

i know that you believe that blow jobs and anal intercourse is okay for you satans mob
if it's behind closed doors and if you like it, it's not only all right but it's "holy" according to mad max, fools

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

Jozzy4:
Sexual desires with ones married partner is not lust. You need to understand scripture before quoting them.

your quoted verse is not license for immorality, fool

oh duh sexualy immoral false jw jozz

i know that you believe that blow jobs and anal intercourse is okay for you satans mob
if it's behind closed doors and if you like it, it's not only all right but it's "holy" according to mad max, fools

Rev 21:8  But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.

MaxInDHouse:
Just explain what an adult (man) intoxicated with a woman's breast meant to you! Proverbs 5:19
Then explain what God's word is saying about a man singing about his wife's breasts and curves! Song of Solomon 7:1-3
Also explain what Paul meant at 1Corinthians 7:4

The only seemingly related scripture you quoted was about "lust" {James 1:15}[/b] that says "lust can lead to sin" now there is no scripture that linked sin to what married couples do in the private!

here is another i posted lying unstable max

1Jn_2:16  For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

MaxInDHouse:
Just explain what an adult (man) intoxicated with a woman's breast meant to you! Proverbs 5:19
Then explain what God's word is saying about a man singing about his wife's breasts and curves! Song of Solomon 7:1-3
Also explain what Paul meant at 1Corinthians 7:4

The only seemingly related scripture you quoted was about "lust" {James 1:15} that says "lust can lead to sin" now there is no scripture that linked sin to what married couples do in the private!

deluded false jw mad max
you believe if you and trivina have oral and even anal sex or any kind of sex behind closed doors
that it's okay with God so long as you enjoy it, and not only okay but that it is in fact "holy"
talk about satans false jw mob:

Joh 8:44  Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

MaxInDHouse:
Just explain what an adult (man) intoxicated with a woman's breast meant to you! Proverbs 5:19
Then explain what God's word is saying about a man singing about his wife's breasts and curves! Song of Solomon 7:1-3
Also explain what Paul meant at 1Corinthians 7:4

The only seemingly related scripture you quoted was about "lust" {James 1:15} that says "lust can lead to sin" now there is no scripture that linked sin to what married couples do in the private!

lying false jw mad max
here is another from just this page:

johnw47:
1 Thes 4:3-5. "For this is the will of God,...ye should abstain from fornication: That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor. Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God"