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Glad knowing I'm not the only one concerned of population.WE JUST NEED NOT TO GO PAST 60.Population growth is only great when the resources and economy can match it.We need to quickly reap that demographic dividend.This is what keeps developing countries up the charts!

rvp2018:
Yeah not looking good for Azania now. The dark clouds are gathering and definitely come 2030 we shall be ready to battle them. We just need to triple our economy to something like 30 trillion Kshs....which shouldn't be hard in 10yrs if we keep our growth momentum and don't increase our population.

They say Nigeria is more developed than Kenya while and yet we beat them in infrastructure rankings and logistics! Moving goods from A to B in Nigeria can be problematic.Wajir Airport and Wilson AIRPORT might be smaller but they beat any Nigerian airport in air traffic!


Nigerian has nothing to stand upon.A cesspool of a country it is! The overcrowded Lagos with danfos is what they brag about! Oh! Give me a break!

While we are launching double stack container trains and connecting Nairobi by more cities using KQ, Nigeria are here thinking they have the best infrastructure.First build modern toilets in that old looking Murtala Mohammed International Airport before you start lecturing us on infrastructure!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBVMOXTjjP4?t=2


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cWyZuSIL5U?t=20


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJcbRjqlfic?t=6


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7PuELo5tG8?t=7

In Kenya,every move we coin it as a 'game changer'...And yeah we have so many projects and plans which definitely are 'game changers'

More 'GAME CHANGERS' are coming.Watch this space!

We won't reach 200 million! I don't see it!

bantudra:
now i wonder how you kenyans would even manage a population of nearly 200million people with una mindset....

Nigeria itself is a big joke! This one left me in stitches!

Kur17:
They call them "yellow fever"

You would puke seeing the danfos in their cities!

Kur17:
Lagos has a population of about 23million Nairobi about 4million a we still beat them in everything positive

Seems like Nigerians are fascinated by skycrappers. Well they don't even win the Skycrapper battle.We were discussing much better issues only for a Nigerian simpleton to bring up skycrappers!

Kur17:
Since then Nairobi has added 3over 20flrs and more than 15are under construction, even your lazy backup is ahead in this case

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/the-tallest-buildings-in-africa.html

Here have a look of the tallest buildings in Africa!

forgiveness:
Is there another apart from Prism Tower? None.

Lagos still has more skyscraper than the world of Kenya.

How many skycrappers does it have?

forgiveness:
Is there another apart from Prism Tower? None.

Lagos still has more skyscraper than the world of Kenya.

Never been a big fan of Morocco.About time Western Sahara becomes a country of its own! This is one of the main reasons why many African countries have a sour relationship with Morocco. No wonder their two world cup bids weren't supported by many African states which made them fail!

ednited:
North Africans are still Africans. But it bugs me that Morocco didn't want to be a member of African union for long. I think she is a member now. . .

If other North Africans are ignorant as Morocco people were, they better correct it. To North Africans - don't choose Africa because Europe rejected you. White people are going to fool you and leave you like Morocco. White people don't want any one related anyway with Africa.

You haven't seen that Abeokuta! It's full of roasted iron sheets.It can't even beat Lamu Town!

Jay254:
You hate discussing issues? What does a City having many highrises have over a city without?

Nairobi for sure has more highrises but we can't dwell on such petty stuff.

Paris receive's more tourist than Dubai,

Cape Town is the most beautiful City in Africa without having the most skyscrapers.

We can discuss how planned and organised cities are but not highrises just from any corner.

As of November 2016.We are in 2018! Get the latest info!

forgiveness:
Where did you get 13 skyscrapers in Nairobi. You wan steal am?

You only have 8 skyscrapers in the whole of Kenya. Now prove me wrong.

See the snapshot and tell me the building missing.

Lagos alone has 9 and 4 under construction.

Abuja has 2 and one under construction

Ibadan has one which is the first Skyscraper in Sub Sahara Africa.

Uyo skyscraper is under construction

Abeokuta is following suite.


Kenya where are thou?

Algeria currently exports about 90% of its crude oil to parts of Western Europe. Its largest gas and petroleum deposits are found mainly in the Eastern Sahara and these are transported to various sea ports by means of pipelines. Algeria also extracts iron ore, phosphates, zinc, coal, salt, uranium and lead.

Won't these products not earn you billions of dollars? Second thing,how much time does it take to transport all these goodies to Europe which is their main market?

rvp2018:
Yeap there is a touch of spanish & arabic architecture - but clearly they've made their oil count. Nigeria has more oil than Algeria..but it shithole.

That was beautiful no doubt!

rvp2018:
I am happy to learn. I must say those are incredible photos. To be honest - Nigeria with more oil than Nigeria - have done completely NOTHING. That makes the Arab more progressive than most of Sub-Sahara people. Nigeria has let us down.

Anyway let me enjoy the pictures.

Go wherever you want to go.Let no one force you where to go! I think you guys should leave him and respect his decision!

bantudra:
that was not my experience in europe...they loved the song nigeria jagajaga back then....i didnt understood why....
you are happy that your fellow broda is not doing well...??...i was very confused....
now,after reading comments on nairaland,noooooooooooooooooooooo,thank you....

stay away....

But you know the key countries in this discussion right? The North African country's haven't been so vigorous in the AU.I think the Mediterranean Union or the Arab League makes much sense to you than the AU. Gaddafi brought a lot of hope and seemed much more interested in AU affairs but both Libya and him were taken to the dogs!

Algerian1:
It wasnt off topic , in the list i shared there is nigeria and kenya tourist stats

Imagine going on a ferry to Europe and vice-versa? No better geographical advantage than that if you want to develop quickly in tourism or in another sectors! That's why they are mostly left out in most 'African' rankings as they lie outside the Sub Saharan Africa!

rvp2018:
Morrocco, Algeria, Egypt - sit literally next to Europe, have been part of modern world for ages - and yet if you remove natural resources from Algeria & Morocco - there is really nothing going on there. Arabs are perhaps some of laziest people you've got and really what mask their poverty is discovery of oil in 1950s that changed camel ridding primitives of middle east and north africa into modern countries.

I think if Kenya was right up there next to Europe - it would definitely be better than Algeria.

Observe the theme then!Look at what the poster says.It's bad manners going off topic ya akhi!

Algerian1:
No need to be so aggressive . its a forum , i can give my opinion in any thread , and for me to compare , facts and stats are better than hundreds photo of hotel, or your backyard .

Most of those countries he mentioned aren't even classified as 'Sub Saharan'

Europeans might even swim there way to Egypt,Morocco and Tunisia bar SA! It is such nearness that made Morocco attempt joining the European Union!

TayserMahiri:
This thread has nothing to do with those other countries you mentioned. Your country is also not in the topic. Take your rules elsewhere.

We can share a billion photos of even corner shops. I can even share photos of my backyard. None of your business!

'My generator is bigger than yours,it's German made and can produce more power'

Such are the statements they brag about when they talk to each other!

Kur17:
Eat, produce babies, gossiping and knowing which is the latest model of a generator...that's their daily routine

A big big mistake by me there,it's more like we are leading them in that segment.They are the ones behind.Here is the article showing so https://www.businessdailyafrica.com/datahub/Kenya-tops-East-Africa-in-contraceptive-use/3815418-4817542-8lg8thz/index.html

This is great news.A big population with little resources is an armageddon ready to come about! Population growth is only positive when the economy matches its growth.

rvp2018:
Which neighbors do we trail in family planning. Kenya is among-st the best achievers when it come to family planning. Very soon I think Uganda will overtake us population wise. Ethiopia are like 100M and still rising. Tanzania are 55M if I am not wrong. Our dependency ratio is dropping...it's around 60% now...and should drop to 40% or less by 2050.But yes we need to invest more in family planning in northern arid kenya - and that will be a long battle. The same battle we waged when average woman was getting 8 kids to now 3-4 kids.

Suffice to says these are battles that are waged for a long time...and whose fruits appears several years.

We already trail our neighbours in employing family planning,well I wouldn't celebrate about this as it's a bit awkward but in a world of dwindling resources,a huge population might not be a good thing.We need to have a balance of things, population included.But the big four agenda(free healthcare for all) should bring this critical services to the Northern Kenyans.We need to lessen the dependency ratio,this is a factor that makes most developing countries get more poorer! It's a big concern!

rvp2018:
I think maybe in a decade - right now we are down to 3-4 kids - we need to get down to 2 kids and stay there - this is where South Africa, Namibia and Botswanas are... In some regions like Central Kenya - they are already around there and should be starting to enjoy the demographic dividend - in the Northern Kenya there are having a baby boom - which is fine because those areas are really under populated.

Nicely put!

TayserMahiri:
Dubai is arguably the best juxtaposition to SA's case. No one is downplaying their economy and brilliance but they had way so much underground to sell and work with to create ample wealth for further development. I dont think for a minute if we had as much Gold and Diamond as SA we would be any further from them right now economically.

When are we going to reap that demographic dividend? I just don't want a country with more people who have nothing to do.I think the population growth will slow down a bit when we reach above 60 million.I just can't imagine an overpopulated Kenya!

rvp2018:
i think they are fine - roughly a million people each - and by 2050 - probably 1.5. That is just about the population of Namibia or Botswana or the many well ran smaller Island countries. The 47 cities should be modern 250K cities like Windhoek or Gaborone. We really don't need Nigeria mega city slums. Economies of scale will come from richer people..not necessarily numbers.

The Nigerians must now be feasting on their pounded yam, roasted snails and rats while the big mature beings are out here discussing 'important

issues'

Sorry for starting it!

I just wanted your opinion on it.I think we need more bigger counties,with sort of a City/town that should serve them as headquatres. The 47 counties should be reduced IMO! Some counties have been shown not to posses economies of scale due to their low population,less land area and among many other factors.We need this bigger counties to act like 'mini-countries' and that means having the ability to run for themselves more efficiently than the case now!

rvp2018:
I agree with everything except moving the capital to Isiolo. Nairobi has got economies of scale/consolidation going for it - starting a new Nairobi is not easy. I think Isiolo should carve it's niche as center of kenya, the entry to the north and a resort city. Generally speaking all the 47 county capitals should aspire to become cities by 2050.

Minerals surely gave them that impetus.Dubai is more diversified now but you can't brush off the oil effect int its economy.The multiplier effect phenomena is where the diversification emanates from.But as they say,you only work with what you have.They sold their gold and we sold our tea! Props for us however for showing up in most indices with the non agrarian economies and still we were ballsy enough to give some of them a run for their own money!

TayserMahiri:
You cannot downplay the catapulting effect your minerals had on your economy initially. Your gold alone let alone all the others. Im pretty sure its only lately (and by this I mean a few decades) your economy has properly diversified. Back then the draw to SA was your Gold. We should have started on an equal footing (i.e with no minerals) and by now you would have realized why we tend to be the loners in this league of big boys as the only major non-mineral economy. Its not a joke.

The IGAD countries might be a good bet.If only those countries get their act together and enjoy some relative peace then we will have opened up new opportunities for our people.Look at how Kenyan investment made a killing in South Sudan ! We really need to open up the North like you've said.More growth in the Southern part than the North isn't desirable.The location of Nairobi might have been a factor,there is more in the Southern periphery than the North.There was a talk of Isiolo being the new capital city back then,what's your thoughts in this?

rvp2018:
I think now that Ethiopia, Somali and South Sudan are sorting their issues - we should really think about integrating our economies towards the north. Tanzania hostility and petty jealousy is making trading with them impossible. We can easily do more trade with Somalis using their diaspora and ethnic somalis as the bridge. That basically mean we need to build roads to Somali, Sudan and Ethiopia - and try spur development in the northern of Kenya. Improved security & infrastructure will unlock that "Semi-Arid & Arid" waste land - I believe there is massive wealth lying underneath that North - that can only be explored when we tamed it.We really need to focus north - and prioritize LAPSET - it may seem like waste of money with doubtful ROI - but I think we are already on the marginal gains on the Mombasa-Nairobi-Malaba corridor. Opening up LAMU - GARISSA-ISIOLO-LODWAR - with branch to THIKA,MOYALE& MANDERA - should be the priority - after we are done with dual road from Mombasa to Malaba, SGR to Kisumu/Malaba - and with branch to Nakuru & Eldoret. Nairobi also need Mass transit - Light Train like yesterday. All these are pretty achievable in the medium term.

Realistic projections.There is something nice about being truthful.No need to cook data and lie to investors only for them to come in and put up shops and realize that they are no buyers of their goods into your market! You know who I'm referring to

rvp2018:
The projections are in Draft 2018 Budget Review and Outlook paper - pg 41 - there is a table there.

http://www.treasury.go.ke/component/jdownloads/send/198-2018-2019/1279-draft-2018-budget-review-outlook-paper.html

We need not to look at what our African Counterparts are doing.We might be in the same continent but we are at different worlds altogether.No one knows the pain of sitting at the equator being 70% arid and semi arid habouring Somalia to the East,Oromo rebels infested Ethiopia to the North and war torn South Sudan to the North West.We would have been better than where we are with strong neighbors.But leaving that aside,we are the drivers of our own destiny.Its nice seeing that our development partners are still confident in us,we just need critical internal reforms,the realization of the big four and a brilliant president coming 2022 then we are good!

rvp2018:
The projections are in Draft 2018 Budget Review and Outlook paper - pg 41 - there is a table there.

http://www.treasury.go.ke/component/jdownloads/send/198-2018-2019/1279-draft-2018-budget-review-outlook-paper.html

Thanks,I needed this!

kikuyu1:
Download from here: http://www.treasury.go.ke/

That explains why the ball is still on our side.Ethiopia's market is much regulated.Our market is liberalized and open.It would be interesting to see how Ethiopia would perform if it opened more and more access of its market to the world! Having an exposed market that would react to the slightest of local and global shocks is something that Ethiopians haven't taken up yet! We in Kenya are used to this shocks,the economy might loose billions of shillings in minutes just because USA and China have announced a trade war.This forces the central governor to intervene and pour more dollars into the market to thwart any threat to the shilling lest it remains exposed.Likewise, something like the handshake between Uhuru and Raila the opposition leader strengthened the shilling as investors were now more confident that there was going to be more stability hence they poured more dollars into the market due to excitement and reached a point that forced the central bank to mop up excess liquidity from the market,too much liquidity is undesirable.Such shocks that could be detrimental to a country's economy aren't much experienced by Ethiopia.It's about time Ethiopia opens a stock exchange! It would be good for them in the long run!

tlann:
thanks for the correction people dont get it ethiopia has twice our population and landmass

Hey,where can i get the treasury's projection stats of our economy from now till 2022?

rvp2018:
Yeap I like you honesty. Folks should see these debates more as "peer review" not online war btw countries. South Africa has to deal with those issues #1) provide quality education/healthcare/welfare to poor black rural/township/slums and 2#) deal with immigrants. I think sorting Zimbwabwe will eliminate about half of those immigrants - and while that is yet to happen - South Africa police simply has to deport illegal immigrants - there is no other way around that - just have a budget to hunt down and deport all illegal immigrants.