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tintingz:
Ok

Don't divert the question, just show me evidence, Chinese were Muslims and Allah sent a prophet to them, where they situated has nothing to do with the question.

There are over 100,000 prophets sent to mankind from their own people as recorded in an hadith, and also said to been to all where man situated.

If you don't know Elijah rode on chariot of fire in the Quran, I wonder what you have been reading in the Quran.

what verse?

There are different Pharaohs in Egypt, I'm talking about the event of "Pharaoh, Moses, red sea" events. There is nothing like that in history and archaeology.

human started recording things just in 300BC.. hope you can relate..

So where is Sri Lanka?

google.com/map

The early humans(Y-chromosomal Adam) were said to migrate from Africa.

early != first

tintingz:
If I'm going to Ijebu in the next 30 minutes, it is a future event, I've not yet gone. So according to you I acted on freewill on my future event?

This is not about eating what I cooked, this is about will I even cook or not, is it in my destiny I will cook at a particular time?

It seems you don't even know what destiny and freewill is

You confused your self in the first instance... You want to visit Ijebu, good!
IF DESTINY has it that you won't get there, YOU WON'T...
If destiny says you will get there in maybe 5hours, you will surely be delayed...

tintingz:
Ok

You're still hoping to die a muslim.

Does Allah knows you're still hoping?

Not clear.

sure because, because am still being tested...

Destiny is the 4 things that have been pened down for you... which cant be changed..
Free will on the other hand have nothing to do with destiny, its how you live your daily life... Free will doesnt work with age, you can't outgrow your destiny, freewill can't provide wealth exceeding your destined wealth or less..
...Then an angel is sent and he breathes the spirit into (the foetus), and is charged with four commands: to write down his provision, his life-span, and whether he will be wretched or wealthy, and he/she will be given a span of deeds to the extent he will be a cubic feet away from paradise and the span of deeds to the extent he will be a cubic feet away from hell." [al-Bukhaari, Muslim].

tintingz:
You gave an example without seeing the loop holes, does Allah knows about the end of Jhon adventure or this adventure happened without Allah's knowledge?

Yes... he knows Jhon will die if he pass that path..

tintingz:
Lol, he forgot Allah also created Satan, he has not tell us why Allah created Satan, was/is Satan acting independently or by Allah's plan.

[Iblees] said, "My Lord, because You have put me in error, I will surely make [disobedience] attractive to them on earth, and I will mislead them all Except, among them, Your chosen servants."

tintingz:
Is that an evidence no one has landed on moon?

not the topic for today..

We're not talking about China map, show me evidence Chinese were Muslims and Allah sent prophet to them and stop diverting the argument

where were the chineese of ancient situated?

Is it a fact Elijah rode on chariot of fire to the sky? Tell me how reasonable that happened.

I a yet to read about this...

There is no archaeological and historical evidence about Pharaoh, Moses, splitting of sea etc they are said to be myth, legends. Gog and Magog are ancient myths, legends.

wow! no archeological evidence of PHAROAH!??!! in fact slap yourself

Lol, I know you will say this.

All Africans are blacks, the north Africans are not originally Africans but Arabs, just like Jamaicans are not originally Americans.

We are talking about Adam which you said he was traced in Africa, were Arabs(north Africans) inhabitants of Africa then? Please don't tell me the first humans in Africa were not blacks.

I never said Adam was traced in Africa, or is Sri Lanka in Africa? I said he was said to have situated in the MODERN DAY SRI LANKA... but the oldest archeological trace of human existed is said to be from north east africa, and middle east asia..

tintingz:
If I'm to go to ijebu in the next 30 minutes, am I acting on freewill or destiny?Can you define freewill?

You are acting on free will...

If my destination(destiny) is to enter a mall by 2:00pm but I choose to go to a party at that time, does my destiny said I will choose a party than going to the mall?

free will: you can control
destiny: you can't control...

if you go to ijebu in the next 30 mins, if your destiny has it that you won't make it there, so be it, and if otherwise, so be it...
You want to cook something, if it is destined you will eat it, you will finish the cooking and eat, if it is not, you will encounter an obstacle which will forbid you..

tintingz:
We're in a word were "she" represent "feminine" and for the records no Islamic scholars have use "she" for Allah as he's known to be "he", no Islamic manuscripts used "she" for Allah, so again if I use "she" for Allah, hope the Muslim community won't go uproar?

I can speak for only my self personally, I won't even blink an eye, so far I understand the context or msg you are passing...

You're born a Muslim, you're destine to be a Muslim and die a Muslim, kindly tell me how freewill play a role here.

I hope to die a muslim...

Can you define destiny for me please, it is like I'm just wasting my time.

I did up there, read my post again..

AgentOfAllah:
You evaded my question! I didn't create Jhon, I didn't cause the fight, I didn't make Jhon's path dangerous, and there's no way I know for sure, as in with 100% certainty that Jhon will be harmed, I've only just guessed and I may yet be wrong. Jhon may come out unscathed! Allah created me and created hell, so is Allah guessing my destination or does Allah know it with 100% certainty? Just answer my question directly, without any contrived analogies.

Allah knows if you do this particular thing, you end up in hell, he doesn't want you to, but you chose to..

AgentOfAllah:
Okay. Does God know if I'll end up in hell or heaven?

Allaah does not admit people to Paradise or Hell simply because He knows that they deserve that, rather He will admit them to Paradise or Hell on the basis of the deeds that they actually did in this world. If Allaah created mankind and put them in His Hell, they would soon argue that He did not test them or give them the chance to strive. Allaah wanted to refute this argument, so He created them in this world and gave them reason, and revealed His Books, and sent His Messengers; all of that is so that they will have no argument against Allaah on the Day of Resurrection.

Here's an example. Not a good one but something that will clarify the logic.

Say Jhon is your friend. He is walking down the street and runs into you. You both chat for a while. Then you ask Jhon where he is going. He tells you that he is going to the other side of town. You tell him that the road he's taking is blocked, there's a fight between two groups and he will surely not be able to make it to the other side of town and will get hurt or- even worse- die. If he listens to you and trust you, he will change his mind. If he doesn't and continue the path you believe is dangerous, he will get hurt. Now do you think you were being unjust to your friend Jhon? Do you think you were being tricky? Or was it more like Jhon's own stupidity that sent him the path you both clearly knew was dangerous.

It's the same with our deeds. Allah (SWT) clearly tells us not to do certain things. To believe in him and always seek His forgiveness. But still we go our own way. We do what we think is right. And then when bad things happen to us or when we are punished for what we have done, we blame Allah (SWT) for it? I seek refugee in Allah.

tintingz:
Yeah, just like you see greek Gods stories as myths.

Astronauts have landed on moon, you are still hoping, are you not the flat earther?

H2O still doesnt convexise..

Evidence please...

c'mon, doyou still need evidence to be told the present day China is the china in 1508? if NK and USA starts a war nw, more maps will be redrawn..

Then what happens if your truth cannot be reason or call fact?

by who?

History have evidence for their research, i prefer an historical evidence than a mystical tale book.

lol...you dont believe in the incident of the pharoahs and also accepts history? cognate

Please dont tell me north africans were really inhabitants in africa.

for the records, you said, ALL AFRICANS ARE BLACK

AgentOfAllah:
jtigwell0, can you define free will and destiny?

done above

tintingz:
It seems you dont get it, if i pray to a god and the prayer didn't work(like you said prayers dont work on destiny), why should i worship such god?

you worship not for something in return on earth..

You are mixing things up and i am confused here.

between freewill and destiny, which one is superior?

None is superior, they work perfectly exclusively...
Destiny is the 4 things that have been pened down for you... which cant be changed..
Free will on the other hand have nothing to do with destiny, its how you live your daily life... Free will doesnt work with age, you can't outgrow your destiny, freewill can't provide wealth exceeding your destined wealth or less..

So by freewill i will choose between heaven and hell but by destiny i am going to hell, i dont get?

your eventual destination is not in yur destiny, it will be determined by how you use your free will..

tintingz:
Lol, so i can call Allah 'she' and hope the sharia-men wont find it offensive as Allah was never called a she?.

"she" is a language... if I start my own language and make "she" reference to male, we are all fine..

If you are both then you are contradicting. If you are destined to be a muslim it will have clash with freewill and if you are a Muslim by freewill it will have clash with destiny. It is either you act independently or dependently.

how do they clash?

Destiny means a necessity in the future so how is freewill effective here?

wrong!

tintingz:
The Quran is like every other mystical books.

append("to you";

Good, did Allah forbid committing suicide because it is bad or because he said it is bad?

He knows better than you and I.

and did Allah know those that will ask for forgiveness?

Yes.

...and go and read about Hitler and what he did to the jews.

Ok.

We dont need to go to the moon, you just have to show me evidence of two splitted moon.

You can only get it if you get there... hopefully we will..

Show me evidence Chinese people were muslims

chineese people of today w=may not be the ones that situated the current china in the ancient, might aswell be blacks..

show me Allah sent prophet to china using historical fact.

Modern day china was not even long drawn geographically? so which chian are you talking about...

Do you believe Eledumare's son(Obatala) created the world? What if you are wrong about adam and eve creation and ile-ife was where creation started with chicken, corn and sand? What if ile-ife creation story is the right one.

we all have brain to reason and know the truth...

Evidence of these prophets sent by Allah to every nation, you cant just quote from a book and expect me to accept it as evidence. Show me historical, archaeological evidence.

You don't accept the Quran, but you will accept a history book? Ok

Islam and Jainism are never related, go read about Jainism.

ok

Yes.

omg!

tintingz:
If prayer doesn't work on destiny then why are you praying? And if prayer doesn't work then why are you worshiping such god?

once again, prayer IS NOT EQUALS TO worship

And you say we have freewill? So with what you posted here, if I'm destined to be apostate and go to hell, whose fault is it? Am I acting independently or dependently?

Good question!
...Then an angel is sent and he breathes the spirit into (the foetus), and is charged with four commands: to write down his provision, his life-span, and whether he will be wretched or wealthy, and he/she will be given a span of deeds to the extent he will be a cubic feet away from paradise and the span of deeds to the extent he will be a cubic feet away from hell." [al-Bukhaari, Muslim].

The hadith indicate that every one will be given a span, like that of increasing TV volume, between paradise and hell... so your freewill will make you choose anyone you want, meanwhile your destiny is still perfectly in place in terms of provision, riches, life span..

tintingz:
If Allah is refer as he then why he not she? Can she be used for Allah?

If that is what suites you, both are linguistic... so far the second party understands your verbals...

Using human teacher for an omnipotent deity is lame.

go figure..

Are you a Muslim by freewill(independently) or by destiny (dependently)?

by both.. 12 years ago, i am by the latter, but now both...

tintingz:
So why can't we see what happened thousand years ago in this present age, why was God talking to people then and we can't here God talking to people now?

The Qur'an does more job than talking to you...

U.S now legalized homosexuality, Allah hates homos that he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, why didn't Allah destroy U.S like Sodom? Hitler acted like Pharaoh hating on Jews why didn't Allah punish Germany like he did in Egypt?

Allah forbids committing suicide doesn't mean he hates the person... That is why there is a word "Forgiveness" Allah himself knows we will commit sins and heinous acts, but as promised to forgive us (mankind) if we ask for forgiveness... I can't say a word for hitler as I do not know his heart or what he does secretly...

How the ear works can be explain by scientists but how the moon splitted a thousand years ago(even tho there's no evidence), can that be explained?

let's get to the moon..

No, I was biased and bigot then.

ok

Any evidence for this?

an evidence is the KKK for you..

Are you saying, there was nothing like Obatala-ile ife creation story?

obatala also called upon "eledumare"

Evidence please.

And for every Ummah (a community or a nation), there is a Messenger; when their Messenger comes, the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged. (Qur'ân 10:47)

And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): "Worship Allah (Alone), and avoid (or keep away from) Taghut (all false deities, etc. i.e., do not worship Taghut besides Allah)." Then of them were some whom Allah guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified. So travel through the land and see what was the end of those who denied (the truth). (Qur'ân 16:36)

You're talking about abrahamic religion circle here, how does Islam and Jainism relate?

sameway islam and christianity relates..

If Adam came from Africa, then he's black and secondly he's not the only man existing. If you mean the Quran Adam is the Y-chromosomal Adam then you're missing it.

so any african is black..?[/quote]

Ok!

tintingz:
Lol, so if I pray or don't pray but I'm not destined to get iPhone 8 then why praying or worshiping? It is like praying for something but not destined to get it, am I not wasting my time? And if Allah due change destiny, is that freewill?

Praying is not equal to worshiping as I said before... Prayer do not work on destiny worshiping on the other hand is like your duty, obligation to Allah.

If i pray to get iPhone 8 and I'm not destined for it then where is the freewill? I should be able to get my iPhone 8 independently not dependently on destiny.

If you pray or not for it and you get it, then it has been recorded that you will get it.. and if otherwise?, then otherwise. If you are destined to be poor, you will never get wealthy even if the whole world surround you to donate, or even if you do robbery... if you are destined to be wealthy, you will never get poor even if you were robbed by the whole world...

tintingz:
You are still limiting Allah the omnipotent to human-nature.

Actually, some teachers due give some students expos to pass by receiving bribe. Now to answer your questions further, if a teacher knew this particular student will fail even if he followed the course outline, why failing the student? If a teacher created a distraction and knows it will affect the students, the questions will now go back to what Is the essence of teaching? What's the reason for creating distractions and rules, what's the purpose of failing and passing? What's the purpose of building a school? What's the purpose of creating students?

If you're trying to use Allah nature for this exam-teacher analogy, you will fail.

If I use a male pronoun for Allah, does that refer to him as a male? No, it called "Instance", just like in programming, you initialize a variable with something when you need it...
To pass allah test, you need 4 things: Believe, Do good, Be patient, Be truthful (then to believe you have to carry out the 5 pillars)
The easiest test ever... About the distraction, yea its on purpose... Allah can create a world with only muslims in it and voila! that's all.. but he wants to test us to know who and who is best in deeds...

One question, are you a Muslim independently or dependently?

i don;t get the term

tintingz:
Oh really? I'm yet to see a someone rode on flying horse In this present age, I'm yet to see the sea splitted into two, if it is Lagos lagoon I don't mind, I'm yet to see someone rode on chariot of fire to the sky, I'm yet to see the moon splitted into two, I'm yet to see U.S destroyed like Sodom and Gomorrah, I'm yet to see the event of Egypt, Moses and Pharaoh, it should have happened during Hitler(the Jew hater) but it didn't and many more, show me an almighty divine power of this present age that mainly happened in the ancient middle east.

I understand what you mean, you mean, you need something supernatural to happen before you believe, right? A late statistical professor once said the probability of man experiencing a special occurence throughout his lifetime of sanity is 0.0001, which means the probability of you seeing something of such happening in your probably 100 years of existence is very minimal that a coughspit... Although most of the events you listed like US Sodom..., Moses/Pharoah.. which I don't understand... Something more special that those is happening right now, how your ear work is more miraculous than the moon spliting...

If Allah sent his prophets to China, vikings, eskimos, indians, africa, greece, rome etc we should all have one beliefs but we can see each nation and tribes with their religions and beliefs, gods and heroes, myths and legends. Africa was never an abrahamic faith nation, they brought these foreign beliefs to Africa.

Good! I believe you have being a muslim before, how do you see the christian belief then? "twisted" right?
The same way some part of christianinty is being twisted to support LGBT to suite their want is same way some other factors had caused other regions of the ancient world to change their belief gradually till it becomes a new one...

In a more simple form, all nations that existed were sent a messenger to deliver message of Allah, some were successful while others were not... some accepted islam and modified it to something else. And that is exactly what the prophet warned us about "Innovation of the deen" because that is what splits and form a new religion... samething we are experiencing, some calling them self sunni and some shia... Christianity also deviated and is still deviating as to how catholics and the pentecostal reaale...

I don't see any Allah's prophets in other nations except you want to tell me Buddha, Krishna were Allah's prophets.

when you mention "nation" I dunno if you mean the current ones or the past ones.. but any of both are still invalid. Geographically, Adam AS is said to have situated in the modern day Sri Lanka. It is also to be noted that all the oldest trace of human on earth are from north east africa, middle east asia, and some part of core asia... That being said, implies that most population of that time would be from those regions, until man started dispersing far and wide...

tintingz:
If a Buddhist prayer was answered, is it from Buddha or Allah?

Allah's first name, Ar-Rahman simply refers to the most beneficient, which simply means all his creation will get provisions from him, irrespective of race, color, age, sex...
On the term of "Prayer". Whether you pray or not, you will get your bounty from Allah if he has destined it to be yours... If I pray for an iPhone 8 from today till 2080... and I am not destined to have it.. "OYO" but a person who haven't even heard of iPhone 8 might get it even without praying... So whether you pray or not, what you have in your mind will or will not get to you... and note Prayer != worship ie not equal...

tintingz:
Allah is omniscient, he knows everything, he has planned everything, he knows shaitan his creation will deceive some people and yet Allah want to punish these people, where is the freewill?

Are you trying to limit Allah the omnipotent to that of human-teacher?

No one is limiting that, just a simplic reference...
and i will use it once more... what is the essence of examination in school if the teacher can just give us the answer and we graduate...

Talking about freewill, Human and Jinn are the only creation of Allah given freewill, All other creations including the angels have no freewill. I guess you know more about freewill...

...and to be fair, your type of trial is among the "easiest". Those who get the heaviest and critical trials are those who die daily of hunger and still held to their faith.
Those who will not eat anything tonight and are sure they won't taste anything tomorrow as they are also aware they won't get a seed to chew in a week...
Those who are caught up in drought and will gladly drink urine to stay alive!...
Those who are in the Hospital with their legs condemned and have no hope to move on their own...
Those who need surgery to urinate, which you do when it pleases you...
Those who defecate manually from their abdomen...
Those who rely on O2 Tank to survive every seconds...
Those who are currently at war...
Those who are barren...
Those who are arrested innocently...
Those who sleep out in the cold few metres away fro you home...
...among others who need help urgently from their creator.

Are yet to be answered, then you probably cried to your lord an whindled about in your room belly fool, complete physical and heath-wise with maximum safety in 1 night and you lost hope and faith already. Indeed!

There are no evidences to the claim "more active in ancient middle east". Infact to back it up.
It is an Islamic viewpoint that every nation was sent a Messenger for their guidance. The important matter was the concept of Tawheed i.e., in oneness of Allah. The secondary matter was Shariah which kept changing from tribe to tribe and nation to nation. Allah, the most high, alone knows what is good for His creation. As it is mentioned in the Qur'ân:

And for every Ummah (a community or a nation), there is a Messenger; when their Messenger comes, the matter will be judged between them with justice, and they will not be wronged. (Qur'ân 10:47)

And verily, We have sent among every Ummah (community, nation) a Messenger (proclaiming): "Worship Allah (Alone), and avoid (or keep away from) Taghut (all false deities, etc. i.e., do not worship Taghut besides Allah)." Then of them were some whom Allah guided and of them were some upon whom the straying was justified. So travel through the land and see what was the end of those who denied (the truth). (Qur'ân 16:36)


Some of these Messengers are mentioned in the Qur'an by Allah and some of them are not as the Qur'an says:

And, indeed We have sent Messengers before you (O Muhammad(P)); of some of them We have related to you their story and of some We have not related to you their story, and it was not given to any Messenger that he should bring a sign except by the Leave of Allah. So, when comes the Commandment of Allah, the matter will be decided with truth, and the followers of falsehood will then be lost. (Qur'ân 40:78)

This goes to say, the message of Allah was delivered to all nations that existed then before Prophet Muhammed.


Also, this posts says much about the background, skin colour, ethnicity, region of some of the notable prophets.

Almost every muslim and muslimah have done what you did. Trying to get any sort of signal from Allah. ...and that is one of the trick of Shaytan... similar to getting an examination and expecting your teacher to pass "expo".

Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" and they will not be tried? - 29:2

This verse is an AUTHORITY from Allah SWT to us. Unfortunately, a lot of people have failed just like people fail examinations. The test is but a lifetime trial, as long as you live, you and believe you keep getting trial to test your faith.

"...Allah said know me before you worship me"

This phrase contains contains heavy meanings. First, Allah SWT said: "know me" which shows Allah knows surely we will have doubts of the unseen and how the brain he gave us works. ie It is essential to know Allah before worshiping Allah. Most muslims don't know Allah, but they worship which makes it easier for shaytan to derail them.

And Allah will surely make evident those who believe, and He will surely make evident the hypocrites. - 29:11

One of the many abilities of shaytan is "deceit", Shaytan starts his deceit with little sins, causing you to take them with levity until you go large.

Impressive, now she can reap her bounties... not like this days mothers feminizing about social media..

Earth is flat!