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Boomark:
Yes. So how then will Trinitarians come and say that since Christ has the fullness of God, it means that he is equal to God. They don't even know that it was given to him by God. They don't have respect for the Father. Trinity Is the agenda of satan and the antichrist against the Father who reconciled us to himself since they lost when Christ died and resurrected.

God the Father is the owner of Godhead (divine nature). It is his nature and not a position for trinity or 3 persons. The Father, who is One God over all owns it.

See my rebuttal on it. Trinitarians don't understand scripture. They don't know the meaning of things.

https://www.nairaland.com/8486945/bible-challenge-trinity-boomark-image123/6#136513274

You can't pick holes in what I wrote because they are true.

So let me guess, according to you, Jesus was given God's nature . Ok...what nature did he have as the word of God before his earthly dispositions?

Also, let me see what you understand by the "Spirit of God" because technically God is a spirit but yet he has a Spirit? Is this spirit in the same nature has God?

I don't get what you drive at , if you state the nature of God in its fullest is imputed or "given" to the God head then based on capabilities, are they not the same? Your "diversification" is more functional, as the Father is the head of Christ which is well exemplified in the logos; the same way the man is the head of the woman . Still, they are of the same nature.

Do you understand the above? You are only focused on functional roles not ontological roles. If this is your full-proof rebuttal then you are just repeating trinity creeds

The bible also adds that we will be like him, Christ, therefore we will have his nature because he has the nature of God. Hence our end result, ontologically speaking, is God(or like) but functionally we are subject to Christ.

Do you also understand the above?

Janosky:


King James Bible dictionary says You no fit change the meaning of Hebrew lexicon 7069, CREATE @ Proverbs 8:22.
Published by your fellow Trinitarians.

Madam , team up with Emusan & write your own King James bible dictionary & ADD whatever you like @ Proverbs 8:22, your claim is off point .

of course, he originated from God not that he was "created" in the sense you hope to achieve . Jesus translates time hence such sentiments are not befitting on him!

Jesus is not a creature but the Alpha and Omega himself! —God! This alone is satisfactory except if your own God is not transcendent ? You haven't answered this question. Sir, Janosky is your God transcendental? Let me know so I have an idea of which school of thought I am dealing with here.

Fiscus105:
I will advise you to stop confusing yourself and probably give your Bible for people who can interpret it correctly for you.

The genesis you are talking about. Gen. 18 20-21. It was angels in form of humans that branched to visit Abraham, on their journey to Sodom & Gomorrah for destruction, that was talking and not God himself.

You deliberately carved out previous verses 16-19, in other to look real and proof nonsense point.

Let me educate. God created humans in such a way he can decide good and bad and chooses the one he likes, meanwhile, the consequences of his actions will also come back to him, either good or bad.

Two were angels, one is Christ or at least in his pre-incarnate form.

Boomark:
Ephesians 3:18-19 NRSV
[18] I pray that you may have the power to comprehend, with all the saints, what is the breadth and length and height and depth, [19] and to know the love of Christ that surpasses knowledge, so that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.


Fullness of God can be given to believers. Wait for rebuttal today and you will see that it was God's decision to give his fullness to Christ and it can also be given to believers.

The foundation of trinity is based on twisted scriptures and lack of understanding.

Because God gave us Christ hence we have the fullness of God

Kaliningrad:
Poor and weak countries fear the US.

While the most powerful nations fear Russia.

That makes Russia the overrall power.

It's because of mutually assured destruction

Emusan:
He has started changing tune when his lying mouth gets exposed.

According to that screenshot you've been parading since.

Did AI said Jesus was created or Jesus was supreme over all creations?



No we are discussing the AI screenshot.

The AI explained that Col 1:15 proved that Jesus is SUPREME OVER ALL CREATIONS not that Jesus was a created being.

True or false?

The lying liar JaNosense.

I've reattached the screenshot again

why should such simple things stomp seemingly educated persons ? May God have mercy, this delusion is strong

Janosky:
Jesus "is the beginning of the creation by God."
Revelation 3:14, Jesus said so himself.

When you study Proverbs 8:22-30 , Psalms 139:13,Genesis 4:2 & Genesis 14:19,22 ,Madam what is the meaning of the Hebrew word qoneh (spelt as Qanah H7069)?

This hebrew word (h 7069 qoneh) is the key to understand Proverbs 8:22-30 & Revelation 3:12.

Thank you .

The word was with God. Jesus is the beginning of the creation of God and he is also the end of all the creation of God but he himself is not a creature Except if your God is not transcendental

Is your God transcendental?

DeepSight:
Let us take another look on the reasons why many Christians feel Jesus of Nazareth is Almighty God.

Interested discussants are invited.

However specifically -

GabrielShow24
Boomark

Why won't we believe he is Christ?

He had and exhibited the fullness of God.

Janosky:
Wisdom/ Craftsman is another being @ Proverbs 8:22-30, different from Yahweh the God Almighty.


Madam, go and verify this Bible truth for yourself.

Shalom.

didn't you read what I wrote earlier? It's very clear there, that God and His Wisdom are different beings but do you agree that Jesus hath no beginning and no end?

gohf:
being able to type many words but not being able to properly understand one word you keep (improperly)using "transcendent"

so it's obvious you don't also understand the question "transcended from where"?

At least use a dictionary Google or something so maybe we can have a convo, please. 🙏🏾

You really ought to take your own advice. Not every word needs to be spelled out. For a Christian to still be asking such a question is disheartening. Everything is inherently implied—yet your mundane fixation on the phrase ‘of God as originating from’ (which I already quoted in its simplified form ‘as originating from’) only shows you couldn’t apply your so-called ‘inherent wisdom’ to see they carry the same meaning. I emphasized the simplified phrase precisely to highlight a solid and theologically sound interpretation. Beyond this, all your arguments collapse woefully.

From there, you spiraled into a puerile tantrum, obsessing over the word ‘transcendent.’ Truly, you’re lost in delusion. I’ll simply leave you to it.

Janosky:
Jesus Christ & Everything originated from God his Father, John 17:7. John 5:26.
There is no problem with "Qanah" (Strong's 7069) meaning Create ,Erect ,Originate... @ Proverbs 8:22 &Genesis 14:19.


@Proverbs 8:22-30 ,Wisdom is referenced with the pronoun "me", "I".
Yahweh is referenced as "HE" in Prov 8:22-30.
That pronoun ("me","I" is referring to a being called "Wisdom",whom your Bible revealed is Jesus Christ @1Corinthians 1:24 because Jesus is the agency of Creation @ Hebrew 1:1-2, "God created the universe through His Son.
That is the point referenced @ Prov 8:22-30.
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Madam examine the Hebrew meaning of "Qanah" @Proverbs 8:22-30 ,@Genesis 14:19 & Psalm 139:13 to discover the truth in your own bible.

Please, Go and verify.
Madam, what is the meaning of Qanah @ Psalms 139:13, Genesis 14:19 & Proverbs 8:22?
The same meaning of Create,Erect ,Originate.

Is the pronoun "me,"I" @ Proverbs 8:22-30 referring to a living being ?
Yes. Jesus Christ @ 1 Cor 1:24.
Is the pronoun "He" @ Proverbs 8:22-30 referring to Wisdom?
No.
The God Almighty Yahweh is not Wisdom @ Proverbs 8:22-30 & 1 Corinthians 1:24.

IYKYK.

If your God isn't wisdom, that's no problem but Wisdom hath been with him from the very beginning! And since God hath no beginning then His Wisdom hath no beginning and no end. Since you have said this Wisdom is Christ, Ergo, Jesus hath no beginning and no End. Do you agree with this? I have given you a benefit of the doubt

HEAVEN4444:
God didn't create sodomy , the jinn did 😆

You have answered my question 😅.

HEAVEN4444:
astral stuff is God stuff. God created everything

By that logic, sodomy is God's stuff since God created everything

gohf:
👀🫣😐😑

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What’s with the laugh? Did you miss the phrase 'as originating' up there? Or is it the word 'transcendental' that’s tripping you up?

Honestly, how a Christian can be asking 'where did God transcend from?' is beyond baffling 😂😂. Your delusion must be strong—but I don’t have the time (or the patience) to cure it. May God at least allow you to transcend over it 🤧 .

Since you love the word so much, let me help: God didn’t transcend from anywhere, He transcends all things. Meanwhile, you seem stuck trying to transcend simple logic 🤦🏾‍♂️. And until you do, you’ll just keep transcending from one absurd question to the next 😂.

HEAVEN4444:
And whomever can connect to that frequency becomes a god in the earth like the scripture says and God became flesh and dwelt amongst us.

Nice analogy but is this not leaning towards astral-stuffs

gohf:
lol "transcendental" you sound like a comic book writer, so where did God transcend from?

Don't bother answering seeing as you don't properly understand the phrase "of God as originating"

Don't be petty , at least you have a thesaurus, look up the meaning of " transcendental " as it applies to God .

Is that not what I said? Or did you see something else in my write-up? It's in the first paragraph for Christ's sake .

I will leave you to your delusions.

Janosky:

According to Emusan A.I screenshot evidence.
Jesus Christ is a creature ,the firstborn of every creature .

No be rocket science.

Okay🤔, do you affirm God to be the Eternal Father?

Janosky:


The OP is very correct .
@ Proverbs 8:22-30, Wisdom personified is a being created by God.
That created being is Jesus Christ @ 1 Cor 1:24, the wisdom of God.
God his Father (meaning Senior) gave Jesus life, John 5:26.
Screenshot evidence, for clarity read Psalms 139 & Genesis in the screenshot.....
God is the Source of Wisdom (Jesus Christ).
In like manner ,God is the Source of Life, including yours & mine.

"As originating" —If you didn't see that then you have a problem.

If your own God created wisdom, as you peddle it, then he was foolish but if the concept called "wisdom" originated from him then there's no problem except if your God is not transcendental .

God is wisdom. Also in poetical languages, you can say "God created wisdom" but the context is that wisdom originates from God, it has always been with him, He didn't just attain it, He is Wisdom!

tctrills:
So to understand, you do not believe that God is the Father of our spirits, and explain better how our premortal life negates the death, resurrection, and life of Jesus. I don't get that point.

We will continue another time, I have things to do.

tctrills:
It is funny that you are the one guilty of everything you accuse me of. But then we can't continue this back and front. Let's keep our debate to the issues. Have fun. I see you've found a partner.

of course we can't continue such back and forth, we will continue another day👌.

At least, that's a "logical" person that understands such a standpoint and allows scripture to interpret scripture— Not making incongruous leaps!

See you later, bye.

tctrills:
Ok your opinion. Now explain why you think so.

1) You stated we are sons of God, at least our spirits
2) we are not spirits but flesh. From scripture there's nothing flesh can do to please God, automatically no man born of flesh is a "son of God" because they are eliminated by disobedience which is an inherited sin imputed upon us all. Scripture lists ways we, spirits in flesh, can reclaim our sonship through obedience and faith.

3) You continue to assert that we are sons of God not just by origination but by nature in our pre-existent life. This negates the death, resurrection and life of Jesus. If we were already sons, not just based on origination, but in the fullness of what you assert then we don't need Christ's death. As we are already sons!

That's the contradiction, which is why your position contradicts scripture. You can't resolve it without changing your stance and asserting that we are only sons through origination and not by nature!

Therock5555:
Lol you wished I was pained...


I'm trying to let you see that the one finger you're pointing at me, three more dey point back at you.


I can't remember insulting anybody in your family and I've never referred to any third party female observers in my post so I don't get your reason for running around cussing yourself.


Maybe that proves my theory if you're triggered by what ever I said on a post that refers to no one in particular.

Maybe you're just a kid on holiday with free phone, or else you'll act maturely or at least pretend to.

Understanding they say is key, and it's obvious you are just made for clouts . How did you arrive at the above? You must be a joker . Definitely, you were the one that cussed your members when you made a logically bereft generalization

tctrills:
You did not answer my question. What topic are you interested in discussing. Let me know and state your point. Again it seems you did not read or follow the topic because of you do, you will realize that I believe in adoption. So what flaw are you correcting oga.

If you have then it's not possible given your earlier standpoint. It's contradictory

tctrills:
It seems like you and the other guy have exactly the same talking points, I would have loved to do this with you if you introduce different angles so we don't keep recycling the same issues. What do you think?
And just so you know, there was no argument about adoption.

I understand both perspectives 🤷, I'm not being forceful but rather I want lay it down in plain and make you see flaws. Part of his argument was that your stance negates adoption.

Your theory implies that we are sons irrespective of our adoption, which is wrong as it negates the death of Christ because without Christ's death there will be no adoption. I have other talking points, there are not necessarily about angels.

What other angle are you seeking apart from the one in scripture ?

Therock5555:
No you are not.

You've just been throwing insults at my family instead and I don't appreciate the effort one bit.


Engage me reasonably next time...

Well, that's how we feel when you throw insults at us, innocent third party female observers, for the sins of a few ? Now that I have reflected such to you, you feel pained .
Next time don't generalize, for your mother and sisters too are included—at least consider them .

AngelahFlo:
Thanks at least you've proven to be the odd one out so far who really understand what I was trying to share. Now in your opinion why is this kind of love hard to express by humans?
Is it because it's unconditional and they feel they must meet some conditions in order to merit this love?

Circumstances and feelings of being cheated makes it hard. Such love will leave you exploited, given the ravenous wolves that are after material things.

It's very difficult in this present world, you must forsake all things including yourself for others but are they worth it?

AngelahFlo:
I'm sorry @Julia25
It was a mistake
What's your contribution to the topic? Do you support what Apostle Paul shared about Real Love in 1 Corinthians 13: 1-8?

Yes, I agree. It's self-less love above one's self— Godkind of love, agape love😘!

It was exhausting going through both AI scorings, trying to make sense of what both sides aimed to show.

Boomark's main point is that Jesus has a God hence he is not God, along with other sub-topics.

Image123 points is to show through scripture that Jesus is God along with other sub-topics.

Using the same queries gave me different scores, hence using AI as an absolute judge is not really expedient. This case is like the famous case of that AI that was built to detect tanks in low brightness settings but was rather checking for contrast.

While you both want AI to judge, the Ai is just checking for coherence and other technicalities. You both are like the US government that trusted that old AI system, for the sake of detecting "tanks",spiritual truth, but it ended up just checking for contrast—coherence and semantics—"clever Hans" effect.

I will contribute to the discussion later when I have tried to reconcile each points in their best forms🤔.