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Boomark:
John 8:44 LSB
[44] You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

See your father here. It is in your nature.

And see where I was begging you to provide screenshots of where I said exactly what you wrote because I knew you are already dressimitating your darling father against saint boomark.

https://www.nairaland.com/8500971/god-men-trinity-deity-christ/4#136569868

Let me expose your folly.

Here are your exact words🥱

Boomark:
I understood your questions.

In the beginning, the word of God is his speech. It was not Jesus.

Genesis 1:3 NIV
[3] And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light.

"Let there be lights" is word. His word created light because he didn't use machine to create it.

The world was created by his word.

You people became confused when his word was made flesh and was known as Jesus. Those who know the truth and the source of everything won't be confused by this below.

The world was created by Jesus (his word)

This is why trinitarians don't want me to rest. They refused to accept the source while holding unto the surface.

The other questions will be answered in my last claim tonight or tomorrow morning in the trinity challenge thread.

I don't know where you got the bolded. It is too early to start making mistakes.

Pls, compare with the screenshot. Since, you love to lie so much, I just have to expose the spirit that works in you! For We(christians) do not have such spirit within us. Any one can confirm what he said by comparing his 'quote' above with what's found in the screenshot.

DrBrainstorm:
Keep you broke as how nau?

Perhaps that's his 'price to pay' for gaining the 'knowledge of the book'.

FeliciaOja:
My roommate was arguing that in her secondary school a teacher ran mad after reading the book at night. Which I doubt

I have been hearing about this book for some years but can't find it online.

I know I'm a little curious but something tells me it's one of those fake books that are used to scare people.
Has anyone seen such a book if it actually exist

They are apocryphal books ascribed to Moses especially the sixth and the seventh. It's filled with spells and whatnots. Pls, avoid it.

Once upon a time ’story’. This current ones can't attain such standard.

AngelahFlo:
Please check your mail.
Left you a message.

Alright will do so.

Truthseeker10:
So it was your imagination that you were dishing out like that? Well done oo.

Is there anywhere you inferred I stated it was from the bible? At least think before you type

Image123:
i remember telling Boomark this but he went headlong like Judas into unrighteousness

That one is not a Christian, he is self-deluded. I caught him in his lie. He said Jesus wasn't the word of God and later on affirmed he was the word of God No, be juju be that.

There are lots of questions he failed to answer; he is a very shy dude for he cannot stand scrutiny. The best is to pray for him apart from this, just leave him to his delusions .

honesttalk21:
You should be remarkably applauded for engaging in pretty much a garrulous academic play of words without understanding the Quranic verses emphasize the immediate and decisive consequence of divine judgment for fabricating false sayings, stating that God certainly should have cut off his life artery¹ (Aorta).

So all the God's patience, time etc. do not apply.😭🤣👍🥴🤔.

Anyway it's only expected of you since to a large extent you disagree that a prophet should come after Jesus haven been led to misinderstand his words or been totally deprived of them².

The first one doesn't have a bearing on this argument as it's axiomatic you do not have an handle on Allah's judgement.

[2] is just a weird addition, it addresses nothing! You should keep such observations to yourself and focus on the argument on ground. It will do your position better.

Summary:
You have no refutation or escape hole to wriggle your way out of. All your excuses have been rendered 'not useful'. Any point of yours that might better serve your case¿

Demigod22:
Na me vex pass you. The red flag is so big that you can use it to sew Nigeria flag but Baba chose foolishness as sport.

Forgiveness is strength because you don't have strength doesn't mean you should undermine those that have🥱.

Jeon:
I can also give footjob , and nothing will happen.

No more 1 character to complete.

To your fellow man Pls, stop with the shallow mockery🥱. Better face your own problems.

honesttalk21:
You’re calling me out for using the motte and bailey tactic, but your whole argument is built on a shaky foundation. The Qur’an doesn’t claim that God has to eliminate a false prophet right away history shows that false prophets often lived for years before facing judgment¹. The term al-watin can be interpreted both literally and metaphorically, just like many Semitic expressions, without leading to any contradictions². Plus, your point about suffering proving falsehood doesn’t hold up either, since every true prophet Moses, Jesus, Muhammad pbuh endured significant suffering³. In short, you’ve wrapped your rhetoric in the guise of logic, but the verse remains intact.

At this point, your admissions in [1] and [2] have defeated your entire argument .

So indeed, you know that Allah permits 1 yet you set decrees for Allah to do otherwise. You also know that 2 can likewise be intrepreted metaphorically then why the insistence of literally . By this two admissions, you have no argument. You have thrown your argument out the window.

This third one is funny. May I ask, if Allah wants to perform judgement on these false prophets in [1], do they enjoy? if you answer this in light of [1] then you have defeated your third and final strawman!

In summary, you have proved that ¹Allah's judgement can come at any time and it's not a prerequisite for Allah to perform is judgement instantly. ²You have also proved that al-watin has metaphorical uses and alluding to its literal meaning when Allah doesn't have a literal hand is false.

By answering the question, you will let us know whether or not Allah when punishing false prophet, sends ’joy on them or punishment and suffering’. This alone renders your strawman mute, as suffering can also be used for judgement upon falsehood! As a corollary, Allah can use suffering as a test or as judgement. You deciding, as usual , that Allah only uses suffering on prophets(people) as an affirmation of their prophet hood is false. As you have clarified above, Allah can also judge false prophets through suffering!

If you want I can bring out Surahs that depict Allah's ability to send suffering on falsehood. You will see such surahs counter your surmised claim, “suffering is for good deeds only“ .

honesttalk21:
Your argument seems to follow a classic Motte and Bailey tactic. You confidently claim that Muhammad’s (pbuh) death fulfills Qur’an 69:44–46, but then you backtrack to a safer position, saying prophets can suffer and God judges when He wills. However, this doesn’t really support your accusation. The warning in the Qur’an about al-watin is taken literally and was never activated since he lived long enough to complete the revelation. Plus, the hadith mentioning suffering is just a metaphor for pain; note the difference unless you say Hadith equals Quran. If suffering disqualifies someone from being a prophet, then you’re also undermining Jesus. But if it doesn’t, then you can’t use that argument against Muhammad. Either way, your reasoning falls apart.

Probably, the LLM you gave to provide a ’meaningful’ rebuttal didn't understand the context. it also repeated the same thing without achieving nor refuting anything—such redundancy coming from an inferior logical position is necessary.

Back to your rebuttal, I noticed you gravely committed the motte and bailey error but somehow you, along with your LLM, conflated my position. Irrespective of this glaring error, your points fail because you have attacked a straw man, a misrepresentation of my position. You stated that he experienced suffering as the prophets before him, you also stated that such suffering is for good works only, generalizing such to ludicrous proportions. You also asserted that God had 20 years to fulfill the judgement, as though you were God spokesperson or his commander that should tell him when or not to perform his Judgement . The implication of this is simple, you do not have a handle on God's judgement as it comes in its time! No case there.

The warning Al watin, may be literal as well as metaphorical, while it's convenient for you to intrepret such as literal to bypass the inherent self-fulfillment of Allah's prophecy. It's also metaphorical as it was used as such in the very Quran. Now, just as the way you have set yourself as ’judge and jury’ of Allah's judgement, you have done likewise here—It's you that is deciding when it's literal and when it's not among other things . You have misconstrued this verse to mean that if the heart-vein or neck-vein of an impostor is not immediately severed by Allah, it would be a proof that he was a true prophet —How happy many false prophets will be! Also, isn't Allah's hands incomparable to his creation?
If you affirm a literal meaning then Allah has literal hands, I am certain this goes against your core doctrines. This shows it's not literal but metaphorical! Allah will do the seizing by his ’metaphorical hand’!

Your other points are tangential as they do not address anything. Suffering is a consequence of an 'action', you have focused on ’suffering’ while negating the ’action’ that warrants it! Until, you focus on that 'action' instead of this allusion and its false equivocation then it's irrelevant to the subject matter.

Truthseeker10:
is this your view from the Bible?

In what way did you infer it was?

Toruibestate:
I remember during my days in the University (Niger Delta University) my lecturer who doubles as my cousin told the class that to him life seems meaningless.
We live, give birth and die, and the circle continues.


That it doesn't have meaning.

Anybody that have contrary view to his thinking should speak up on it.




@General Ditari.

Perhaps, you have a different perception of life. You assumed life as a journey but rather you should think it as a musical chord, the end is not necessarily the goal but ’how it's played’. Another analogy will be a ballroom, when people dance🤔... the goal is not to reach a particular point in the ballroom but the ’dance’. We have been brought up to conclude life is a journey when it's rather similar to music where we must either ’sing’ or ’dance’ while the ’music’ is being played.

honesttalk21:
Nice for you to comment though I don't quite understand your first paragraph. Then if it is partly understood do you suggest revelation is to come after prophet Muhammad pbuh?

In the Qur’an (69:44–46), Allah states that if Muhammad pbuh were to fabricate revelations, He would severe his al-watīn (aorta). The message is clear and urgent, indicating immediate judgment rather than a slow demise.

However, the Prophet pbuh lived for another decade after this verse, completing the message of Islam (5:3). If he were indeed false, Allah’s warning would have come before the mission was fulfilled.

According to the Hadith (Bukhari 4428), the Prophet pbuh remarked during his illness, It feels like my abhari (artery) is being cut. Do you imply that abhari and al-watin are the same?

It’s important to note that al-watin (from the Qur’an) is not the same as abhar (from the Hadith).

The Qur’an delivers a literal divine judgment, while the Hadith uses metaphor to express pain. Confusing the two is a linguistic error.


The poisoning at Khaybar (7 AH) didn’t stop the Prophet pbuh; he continued to lead Islam for four more years, guiding it to prominence. Do you state this to be false?

His death in 11 AH was due to a natural illness, witnessed by his companions, rather than a sudden divine intervention.

Experiencing suffering is part of the prophetic journey.
Job faced illness, Jacob lost his sight, Moses experienced fear, and Jesus (as per the Bible) was crucified. Suffering does not equate to falsehood.


If verse 69:46 implied lingering pain,then it would apply to everyone’s death, rendering it meaningless.

Since the Prophet pbuh lived to witness the completion of Islam, the Qur’an itself stands as evidence that he was not seized in falsehood.

Then regarding me refferencing the suffering of Jesus you called it shambolic though I wasn't trying to dodge the main issue since suffering doesn't equate to falsehood.

It's actually the crux of the matter. If we say that a prophet is false because they experience physical pain, illness, or suffering, then we have to apply that same logic to Jesus, who endured immense suffering on the cross. The Qur’an, the Bible, and historical accounts all illustrate that prophets were fully human and experienced physical frailty. Their physical experiences don’t discredit them; rather, they highlight their humanity.

Motte and bailey fallacy. You hide behind the straw, ’physical pain or suffering is a sign of falsehood’, negating the simple fact that people suffer for different things. Your overgeneralization commits a grave error as it assumes, Jesus suffers for falsehood, your prophet suffered for his own sins while Jesus offered himself. This are two different things. You have to prove to me, that people can't suffer for their own wrongs, that suffering or pain is solely a precursor of 'good works'. I don't think you can, because it applies for both, the context determines which is being connoted.

Now, you have committed another error by assuming the Quran's literary device is literal while some of you argue it's metaphorical, the very context suggest such. Your appeal to some Arabic word is unnecessary as according to traditional narrative both words can used to refer to similar things, ’metaphorically’. This vain attempt to make it literal is striking as the Quran doesn't posit so, Allah's speech was definitely metaphorical; implying ’death’ for his falsehood. The exact nature of his death is metaphorically expressed and if you want a literal assertion then it bears remarkable similarities also.

All your allusions to other ’prophets's suffering’ doesn't even help you out, as these prophets' didn't have a precursor of any kind. This precursor warning affirms that he committed falsehood. If it loomed above Jacob that he will be blind if he were false, his blindness will affirm it. The same goes for Mohammed, he had a lot to do, to ensure he didn't die by expressing ’my aorta being cut’.
Unfortunately, he just couldn't help it .

Continuation doesn't mean he was ’right’ with God. You have to prove that just because some men 'continue' that it means God's approval. This is also false, for you have assumed ’long life’ is a sign of truthfulness and God's approval—I beg to differ. False prophets are numerous that continued for a time, if you want us to accept Mohammed just because he ’prospered’ or lived ’20 years extra’ then we will be forced to inculcate and believe in all false prophets because they too, prospered for a time—You know this is a problem, an inherent problem. Another absurdity, is that you have fixed God's judgement to come upon him within those 20 years and the absence of it, confirms your doctrine? I don't think so, God's judgement from scripture comes at his will, his will is subject to him, you don't constrain it as you like —If he wanted to ’take’ him instantly then he would have, and if he also wanted he will let him die in his folly, it's not beyond God.

if you want to assert your logic, then we you must assert that God must strike within 20years to judge a person, when simple reasoning shows that people have reaped what they sowed 50years later, this is just an illustration, while others have reaped it instantly. Karma comes for us all, but for some it appears to be delayed. I can draw parallel and ask why God hasn't taken judgement on tyrannical regimes for the needless killing of his slaves? some of these regimes span more than twenty years—This county can also be construed to be inhabited by bandits who intentionally put the lives of their citizenry in jeopardy, and yet they have lived for over 20years!

Completion of something doesn't mean it was God inspired. I can mirror the same logic by asserting that just because the ’kamasutra’ was completed then it was inspired of God. Now, you have to prove otherwise which will make you bring up other ’points’ that go beyond the surface of 'completion'. Stop reducing intricately complex stuffs into simple things inorder to sell your point—You and I both know that 'completion' never signals God's approval! There are many that have completed their ideas, books, doctrines and even religion before their demise, all of this are in no way an indicator of God's approval.

His death was not due to natural illness, if it were the poison won't be brought up. It's just your self denial to avoid the fulfillment of Allah's prophecy that you proffer another solution or alternative to bypass this. Even within your school there are varying accounts with some asserting that he died from the lamb meat. Do you want to disbelieve them just because you don't agree with it? Thus objectively, it's safe to assume that he died from the meat and such implications puts him as a false prophet.

honesttalk21:
Look, here’s the thing;when people bring up the aorta verse, they make it sound like God promised Muhammad pbuh would die suddenly if he was false. But just step back and think.He lived more than a decade after that verse was revealed, saw his religion spread across Arabia, gave his farewell sermon in front of thousands, and passed away at home with his family after finishing his mission. Does that really look like a man cut off in disgrace? Or does it look like someone who actually completed what he was sent for?


And about Islam spread by the sword… well, history is full of wars. But the Prophet’s battles were defensive. At Badr, Uhud, the Confederates Muslims were literally fighting to survive. That’s a huge difference from conquering just for blood or land. If you say that’s violent, then Moses also fought, even harsher, because God commanded him to execute idolaters and lead wars. So you can’t dismiss Muhammad pbuh without also dismissing Moses.

On Jesus, the Bible itself shows him struggling. In Gethsemane, he asked God three times to let this cup pass.On the cross, he cried Why have you forsaken me? That sounds like someone desperate for rescue, not someone excited for crucifixion. Islam actually defends his honor here saying God saved him, like He saved Moses from Pharaoh and Abraham from the fire. Doesn’t that make more sense than humiliation being the path to salvation?

As for the Prophet’s pbuh death, he didn’t just collapse suddenly from some curse. He lived years after the poisoning incident, finished his mission, and passed away with dignity. That’s not humiliation that’s fulfillment.

Then considering that there were no symptoms for over three years after and the illness appeared just days before his death, it seems highly unlikely that the Khaybar poisoning was the cause of the Prophet Muhammad’s pbuh passing. An acute terminal illness is a much more plausible explanation.

In what way did we make it sound that he was to collapse suddenly 🥱. The crux of the matter is that ’mo’ went has Allah spoke of him, if he were to be false!

The rest of your point is irrelevant. For Jesus expressed his physical side. This is also a shambolic attempt to deflect the subject matter.

While you might claim that your prophet fought ’defensive wars’ they are not the same as the wars fought by Moses—that's faulty analogy/assumption. The context of both are different but your prophet made a generalization of his own wars.

Once again straw, God's judgement doesn't necessarily translate to ’collapsing suddenly’ for it can come in diverse forms—’lamb poisoning’ comes to mind

The prophet's affirmation renders your assumption wrong! He did feel it, thus it lingered on.

Tinubu is there to secure prolonged economic relations. Baba is on the right track, but whether that track takes you into consideration is another matter.

MaxInDHouse:
What does "strengthen" mean?

Many have strengthened one another that does not mean they were in distress?

How does this verse relate to your bolded phrase? They are disjointed.

Strengthened has several definitions, so which one are you appealing to, given the context above ?

MaxInDHouse:
So why does he need angels when he is in distress?


An angel from heaven appeared to him and strengthened him. ‭Luke 22:43 NIV‬

Was he in distress?

It's just a coincidence . For there are some also that have gotten hit by cars right after their divorce 🤦🏾‍♂️Some are also on the streets roaming half-naked🥱.

The president is at work, be patient guys, he just needs a little more time —perhaps 6 more years

MaxInDHouse:
You thought he's just saying things and they are happening right?

Well anything Jesus say is carried out by angels who are attending to him[b] he can't do a single thing without those angels surrounding him[/b]. The only thing he can do without angels involved is preaching and teaching but whenever anything supernatural occurs angels are behind the scene!

The bolded is not phrased right I believe Jesus doesn't need angels to work, this verses prove that John5:17-30.

If it were according to your statement, it would have been, “My Father work and I send my angels to work also“🥱but it's not!

Toruibestate:
Saint Father Tinubu see what you did to the OP..

St. Father Tinubu is just so cute . I like his poise .

Boomark:
That is your personal opinion.

My own assertion and implications is seen in my Claims and rebuttals with scriptures attached to them in the challenge thread.

If you don't understand simple english and bible, that is enough evidence to ment ha pobem and deh loo shion sent to those who have refused to believe the truth..

Posting screenshot is now a problem. You are not the 1st to run away. Ken your brother is the most recent even when he was given a blank cheque. He used idea with false accusations to run away.

Now you are beginning to realise that...

I am Boomark of One God

🥱🥱🥱 Still the same ludicrousness, nothing changed.

'my own implications' ? Just one of your 'implications', flashed before your eyes warranted this slippery nature of yours🥱, in a v...n bid not to answer my questions .

You are indeed boo mark of God 🥱.

This ones have started again

noksdajura:
pls sir have been dreaming since when i was 12 that i was very rich pls what does that mean

It varies, the ’wealth or riches’ is just a standard , it could be physical or spiritual. You should seek further clarifications on this, even though you are more inclined to assert it to be physical .
Overall, the message is clear—you will be rich but whether it's in Christ(spiritually) or physically is another matter .

Vintax:
GOOD MORNING BRETHREN,I WOKE THIS NIGHT 10TH AUGUST 2025 FROM THIS DREAM AND INTERPRETATION PLS:
I SAW MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE AGAINST CARRYING STONES AND ARE ALL STONING ME , TRYING TO KILL ME SPECIFICALLY AND I WAS RUNNING FOR MY LIFE,THEN I SAW THE LADY I AM IN A RELATIONSHIP WITH INTENTIONS TO MARRY,SHE LOOKED TROUBLED,THEN SHE RAN TOWARDS WHERE THE PEOPLE RAN AFTER ME TO STONE ME, WITH HER FACE FILLED WITH WORRIES, FIGURING A WAY TO SAFE ME FROM THE PEOPLE,THEN I WOKE-UP.
PLS I NEED INTERPRETATION FROM ANY BRETHREN HERE,
THANK YOU

Female power , your Fiancee is one hell of a lady. They are portraying her as some kind of shield. It either means her sacrifice or her compromise.

It's ’sacrifice’ if she is of God and it's ’compromise’ if she is of the ladies club . Hence, you should first find out who your fiancee is, as that will determine the ’help’ she is rendering for you or to you. It also calls into question your own stance with God as you obviously need an intermediary

Boomark:
Is the screenshot now difficult to post? That's what I use to catch 666 people.

See example of your "ma laa Dy" and ment ha pobem.

You didn't start twisting today or maybe poor understanding is the problem. See the date. That's before you ever asked me any question. Did you answer the one I told you to ask yourself. You will soon be passing the answers to me if you don't run like you brother Ken4...

Screenshot 1
After reading from the challenge thread, you twisted my stance to mean the bolded. I was like why are people so 'wee keh di.' Poor understanding + medulla oblongata wereyrism. I have to start explaining to you what you read and didn't understand.

Screenshot 2
That is trinity destroyer. I hope you answered the question. You will soon present your answer to me.

Post the screenshot and brace yourself. I will answer your question and you MUST answer mine.

🥱 That's your assertion and the implication of it , if you don't understand that, it's your problem.

I have asked you several questions which you didn't answer as you continue to shy away from them, repeatedly. Pls, ensure you take care of your condition.

Boomark:
That's nice. Post it again.

Meanwhile see your colleague here. He couldn't post a screenshot of what he accused me of doing till today. Same pattern of making false statement is what I see in you. So I would want to know if that thing I mentioned in that screenshot is a general problem (the one that has to do with the brain).

https://www.nairaland.com/8473507/one-god-father-trinity-false/12#136179371

Brace yourself, you must answer all my questions about the screenshot first.

🥱See who is talking...shior...You that like to shy away from questioning — All mouth no show . Even from the one you have seen so far, did you see your contradiction? If not I will assume you are the one with (brain something) , projecting your ’ma...laa...dy’ to others.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is wrong!

It was an angel who represented God as spokesman among the three angels.

No man has seen God at anytime! John 1:18

Yet the only begotten Son from the Father hath revealed him

Two were Angels, Jesus was the third—at least in his pre-incarnate form.

Also, there are lots of theophanies of those that saw the Father , so who did they see?
Perhaps Stephen didn't really see Jesus standing beside the Father . Even John saw the Father , so I beg to differ.

MaxInDHouse:
He is the one coming not Jesus because Jesus is coming to do God's will that's why he also said he is coming.

For instance when God said:

“I have certainly seen the affliction of my people who are in Egypt, and I have heard their outcry because of those who force them to work; I well know the pains they suffer. I will go down to rescue them out of the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land to a land good and spacious, a land flowing with milk and honey, the territory of the Caʹnaan·ites, the Hitʹtites, the Amʹor·ites, the Perʹiz·zites, the Hiʹvites, and the Jebʹu·sites. Now look! The outcry of the people of Israel has reached me, and I have seen also the harsh way that the Egyptians are oppressing them. Now come, I will send you to Pharʹaoh, and you will bring my people the Israelites out of Egypt." Exodus 3:7-10

The person coming to do His own will is God but the person who will represent Him is Moses that's why God told Moses that he (Moses) will appear before Pharaoh as God! Exodus 7:1

So when God told the Israelites that He will still send another prophet like Moses to them {Deuteronomy 18:18} Peter explained that Jesus is that prophet who served as servant of God but acted as God in the midst of God's people! Act 3:22

You do know the same phrase was used when He was discussing with Abraham: "I will go down"
In the case above He went down himself, so why now did you decide He's incapable of coming by himself but relies on some intermediary, Jesus, to come down ?

Jesus while yet an intermediary is also God, if you assert that's God speaking then it will mean that God has a God because he mentions this here. Revelation 3:12

You are basically choosing and picking when it's God speaking and when it's some representative . So do you agree that's it Jehovah that spoke here?

As for the Moses' verse, God did bring them out. At least He was there

hoygift:
I'm beginning to think twice about this, do you think it'll work out. We gats to be one step ahead of the economy. The girl in question, is black, tall and beautiful, she's been nice to me lately and does some chores for me even without asking for it. I don't know if my mom would like her though, but I think she would if I first put seed for her bele.

Do you think her dad would still ask for rent after paying pride price.

Lazy man, no go work. Dey look for Oshofree up and down .