₦airaland Forum

PeterObi4LP:
Tinubu shot himself. North will show him how to play sophisticated politics. Tinubu betray the South for selfish gain.

If I curse you there. Betray who? You dey mad? Your stoopid self should be asking what Jonathan did to the Yoruba leaders who canvassed and pleaded for his ass after Yaradua death whereas the Igbo didn't even want him. Yet went to leech themselves on him after everything. The SW also voted for the ungrateful Jona in 2011. Meanwhile your Obi was vp candidate to Atiku who had always been against Jonathan. So what's your stoopid hypocrite saying? Hypocritical loserrs crying more than the bereaved.

Adaibeku:
Okwu agwugo as for southwest they will do nothing if tinubu loses , I know them they will prefer Atiku to obi to spite igbos but we love it
Kagd10 no be so?

says a Zombie. Tinubu has the wildcard. Change the Muslim Muslim ticket and include everyone.

And lost the case hence saw the truth of his err and joined Tinubu

OSU are always about politics of hate. Same reason their hateful ancestors died because of their unwarranted hate for others thus the reason why they went to kill other people's ethnic leaders who had no business with them in the first place.

Next time, Tinubu should say he didn't rule anyone in the southeast enclave. He's not their governor nor part of any federal administration hence they should desist if they don't want curse.

Innocentman86:
The only reason we are still talking about these 2023 general election is Peter obi.
If not for atikus boy obi,atiku could have easily won that drug dealer emiolokann just without even campaigning.
I'm not against atiku, because I see him as a detribalisef northerner and moreover his region has not produced the presidency.
But my vote and most educated,detribalised and civilized nigerians is for Peter Gregory obi.

Both North East and SouthEast have ruled. Abacha and Tafawa Balewa were from the North East.

Azikiwe and Ironsi are southeast.

Meanwhile, Atiku is a Fulani.

Atiku a detribalised Nigeria who said don't vote for Yoruba or Igbo?


As for Peter Obi, we saw how he sacked non Anambran indigene from his state government work in his state despite the fact that they were fellow Igbos from other states.

drlateef:
Hausa Fulani will not disappoint Tinubu. They voted Abiola, to the extent that he won in Kano, the home state of Tofa. Your calculations are wrong and not enough to win election. Those who know better than you have done their calculations.

They disappointed Abiola and voted Tofa except Kano. They disappointed Jonathan. Don't depend on them. They will vote Atiku.


Tinubu should change his Muslim Muslim ticket instead. He needs to include everyone. If you like Tinubu, you wouldn't want him to score zero votes from South South. Even Buhari who had block votes from the Hausa and Fulani didn't limit his votes, let alone Tinubu.

Kobonaire234:
No, the subsidy was first brought in in 1973 largely because of the Yom Kippur War which led to a spike in crude oil prices, which led to a rise in the cost of petrol....and yes, even then, we were not making enough crude to meet our needs (in 1973, we had just the Warri and Port Harcurt Refinery)...so subsides were brought in to cushion the costs. Intially it was on petrol, diesel and kerosene...(in 2013, GEJ removed the subsidy on kerosene and diesel totally).

Because of subsides, we had the problem of smuggling out of fuel then (yes, it happened in the 1970's...Stephen Elllis' book This Present Darkness gives a good summary)...magnified by a very stronk currency.

Yes, we built two new refineries....Kaduna AND new port harcourt...but we kept on paying subsides. By the late 1980's, the fuel price was below the cost of production. By 1990, queues were back on our roads , by 1994, TAM maintenance stopped. By 2011, we were producing less than 6mliters of our 20-40m liters of petrol in Nigeria....all because subsidy.


I am going to conclude by asking you to read the link below. Before you respond to me.


THE FUEL SUBSDIES

Point is those criminals stealing and selling our fuel at high prices in other countries are not remitting the money gained to Nigeria in the first place but are keeping the money for themselves. They're criminals. Stop defending them.

Kobonaire234:
Even then, fuel made in Nigeria is not going to be 'cheap'

The thing is, it is a business. Dangote fuel is not going to cost less than N200. It may cost more. And Nigeria can no longer afford subsides on fuel...which is why all three main candidates are talking about removing fuel subsidy.

The subsidy came into place because Nigeria was selling crude oil outside while buying costly refined products. With refineries, Nigeria would be selling refined products outside the country which will bring revenue to the country.

ambale:
So tinubu built the third mainland bridge, Apapa port, Railway, low cost housing abi

You can support your candidate without sounding stale

No singular man can say I built a town not to talk of a state as big as lagos

He was fortunate to be part of the governors to have ruled lagos

Alhaji jakande did his bit, Mobolaji Johnson did his, same as tinubu, fashola, ambode and now sanwo olu plus massive federal presence

So how is it tinubu that totally built lagos?

Will you keep quiet? Apart from roads, bridges and airport, wetin the fg do for Lagos? Are you saying federal government didn't build the same in Kano, Kaduna, Enugu, Anambra etc.. Na ment?

The recent Lagos-ibadan railway built by the FG, wasn't same done in Kaduna-abuja and even their dry port?

Meanwhile, Lagos first seaport was built by Southwest resources before the amalgamation of Nigeria sef yet pumps revenues to the federal government. It should be Lagos who should be screaming blue murder here.

Lekki seaport was built by Lagos state government in partnership with investors which Tinubu made possible. Federal government spent no kobo in Lekki seaport. It was Tinubu who made that possible. Another was the Lekki trade zone which Tinubu made happen. Before Tinubu in 1999, there was no development of Lekki, Ajah, banana island, Eko Atlantic city, Magodo etc. Tinubu ensured that.

ambale:
So tinubu built the third mainland bridge, Apapa port, Railway, low cost housing abi

You can support your candidate without sounding stale

No singular man can say I built a town not to talk of a state as big as lagos

He was fortunate to be part of the governors to have ruled lagos

Alhaji jakande did his bit, Mobolaji Johnson did his, same as tinubu, fashola, ambode and now sanwo olu plus massive federal presence

So how is it tinubu that totally built lagos?

Will you keep quiet? Apart from roads, bridges and airport, wetin the fg do for Lagos? Are you saying federal government don't build such in Kano, Kaduna, Enugu, Anambra etc.. Na ment?

The Lagos-ibadan railway built by the FG, wasn't same done in Kaduna-abuja and even their dry port?

Meanwhile, Lagos first seaport was built by Southwest resources before the amalgamation of Nigeria sef yet pumps revenues to the federal government. It should be Lagos who should be screaming blue murder here.

Lekki seaport was built Lagos state government in partnership with investors which Tinubu made possible. Federal government spent no kobo in Lekki seaport. It was Tinubu who made that possible. Another was the Lekki trade zone which Tinubu made happen. Before Tinubu in 1999, there was no development of Lekki, Ajah, banana island, Eko Atlantic city, Magodo etc. Tinubu ensured that.


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Kobonaire234:
No, crude is going to be bought at full price, otherwise, the people who bring us the crude are not going to have enough profit to pay their workers.

Everything has to run at a profit...because there is no such thing as cheap fuel or cheap discounted crude.

If we want subsidsied fuel...either we pay for it via income from taxing everyone in Nigeria...or we pay for subsides for the poorest of the poor. Paying for subsides for everyone is part of why we run large budget deficits every year...and part of why our naira is weak (PART...emphasis on part).

All Government can do for Dangote is allow him buy crude in naira. That's the best they can do (as it even prevents Dangote from having to source for dollars....now if they did the same for the gas companies).

Nonsense.

First, Dangote buying crude in Nigeria would be cheaper than outside. Secondly, that doesn't stop the payment of the workers who are paid too much to begin with.

Kobonaire234:
Yes, we need functional refineries...that can function when they are allowed to refine at a profit. Not at a loss.

They're bound to refine at profits considering they will get discount on the crude oil sold to them. If these refineries want to be selling as enormous prices as others do, then they won't get any discount on the crude oil sold to them.

Kobonaire234:
Ghana produces 176000 barrels of crude per day. Niger has a large crude oil reserve which it uses to supply its refinery (the Agadem crude oil field)...Look it up.



Venezuela has been having fuel scarcity for decades. As seen by this CGTN report.




Yes, like where did I say that Nigeria does not need to have functional refineries...

The only way to have functional refineries is to let the refineries refine fuel at a profit. Not the one where they refine fuel above N300 and sell at N200 and below per liter, because that is not possible.

You cannot sell at a loss. Selling fuel at a loss to help the poor is why we and venezuela have bad refienries and fuel shortages. It is also why Iran , has working refineries and low fuel prices...at the expense of a large and ballooning external debt.

Niger Republic even produces little oil than ghana. Point is they don't produce much hence tend to buy at huge prices to refine thus they're bound to sell at high price.


If Nigeria had functional refineries, we all know the refineries wouldn't be buying crude oil at hefty prices, compared to others. Also, they will be exporting at higher prices which will also help them and the country.

As for Venezuela, there's always news about fuel scarcity, just like we have always had in Nigeria, it doesn't mean they don't have fuel. If fuel was indeed scarce, they would have increased the price of their fuel.

Kobonaire234:
1.Venezuela has a massive fuel smuggling problem for the same reasons as Nigeria. As in massive.

2.Venezuela's oil refineries have collapsed in the same way as Nigeria....their largest refinery now operates at one ninth its original capacity.

3.They even have massive fuel scarcity in Venezuela...to the point that fuel is now rationed there.

Venezuela is the wrongest example you can use.

If you want functional refinereis...then you do as Ghana and Niger republic do...and sell fuel at a profit...meaning the refineries can then fund themselves, and run properly. Not what we did in Nigeria and Venezuela...sold fuel at a loss...meaning the refineries all collapsed...due to decades of mismanagement.

Cheap fuel is an oxymoron.

Ghana and Niger are not producing oil hence needed to sell at profits to get back their return because they're buying these crude oil at huge prices. This is different from countries that have crude oil.

And no, oil isn't scarce in Venezuela. They're still selling at their little prices.

Nigeria needs to have functional refineries. It's simple as ABC.

Kobonaire234:
Exactly...because there is no way that smuggling is not going to happen when fuel is N173 here and N400 and above in all our neighbours.

Even if we built a fence around Nigeria, someone is going to build a tunnel underneath the fence, and smuggle fuel that way.

But because we are 'too poor'...

That's not the problem. Venezuela sells the least price for their petrol. So what are we saying exactly? Nigeria looting is just criminal tbh. Also, I wonder why Nigeria don't have functional refineries in the last 60 years since independence.

zombieHUNTER:
i see why some want same APc

bloody corrupt urchins

Will you keep quiet? Tinubu didn't rule you or your papa. You dey mad?

drlateef:
I don’t agree with you. I have already stated that the Christians are minority in the north. And even in north central there’s substantial number of muslims. The north central is number 4 in terms of registered voters. To win the election, the north east and north west and southwest are most important. The majority in those places are muslims. Thats what informed Tinubu’s decision. In fact Atiku would have been too happy if Tinubu had made mistake to pick north central Christian as vice. Because Atiku will easily win north west and northeast. He will also pick substantial votes in north central and southsouth. He would easily win the election. The purpose of picking candidates is to win election, not for religious balance. Otherwise, of what benefit is picking a Christian candidate when he loses the election?

Both the Muslims and Christians in North Central will vote Tinubu if he flags Muslim and Christian ticket. The North Central votes added to the SW votes are more than enough already.

Then miscellaneous votes trickling in from other zones will be welcomed. Cross River, Akwaibom, Wike's River, Umahi's Ebonyi. And whatever votes that can be got from NE and NW.

The point is are you planning on Tinubu scoring zero in the South South? Because that's what will happen if he persists with the Muslim Muslim ticket. And then he could end up being totally betrayed by the Hausa and Fulani he was banking on. Even the Hausa and Fulani didn't vote Abiola.

BeautifulMind2:
Keep fooling yourself for Nairaland na Lagoon you go enter next year

Lalong should be picked to get these votes.

These people are not feeling Lalong as the DG, including his Plateau people who are angry at the fact that he's doing DG for double Muslim Muslim ticket at the federal

They had better release him. Now I see why some want another Fulani. Imagine siphoning Nigeria oil to Cameroon, Niger and Chad

slivertongue:
I am not a n APC member. We will support a ticket with diversity. APC ticket has no diversity so your talk of change is academic.

APC will change the double Muslim Muslim ticket and bring in Lalong.

slivertongue:
We don't want lalong to come in? Am not a member of APC but why didn't Tinubu pick him at first? Lalong win NC? Pray he wins the home of peace and tourism. NIGERIANS are far more aware now courtesy of the current state of NIGERIA. APC destroyed all it met and won't be rewarded regardless of the propaganda and reverse psychology.

Lalong is the only Christian Northern governor in APC hence it was always Lalong's claim from day 1. The North Central will also support him.

You keep crying about APC while at the same time don't want Lalong to be brought in. We know your plan.

smileyoo:
okay, i wish he can do that, but unfortunately he can't do that.

He can. Zombidient don't want Tinubu to change the Muslim Muslim ticket And I know your plan already. He will.

smileyoo:
forget about tinubu changing his so-called mu-mu ticket, because that's the option given to him, or you think the mu-mu ticket is the exclusive idea of Oga tinubu ?

Tinubu can change it. I know why Zombidient don't want Tinubu to change his Muslim Muslim ticket btw.

slivertongue:
Lagos island is vn Lagos State. Am above your petty historical revisionism. Go read ur history up straight not upside down

Go and read history or keep quiet. Lagos back then was just Lagos Island. While Ikeja, Lekki, Ajah etc were western region under Awolowo. Nigeria was practising true federalism at that time.

drlateef:
Can you tell me how Tinubu would have won the northern majority vote if he picks a northern minority? Remember, he is a southern muslim which is not of up 40% of whole south.

If Tinubu pick Lalong who's a North Central. It would be easier to woo the North Central to Tinubu's side since they've got no main character contesting. The North Central and SW votes are more than enough.

Then, Tinubu can now start to canvass for other votes from other zones to join in and since everyone is included and the double Muslim Muslim ticket is out of the way, several people would join. Some South South such as Cross River, Akwaibom would join in. Even Wike promised to support. Umahi's Ebonyi promised to join in too. Then votes from the North East and North West.

Point is Shettima's Borno and Yobe aren't enough.

slivertongue:
Lagos was Federal capital not Western region capital. Lagos where Tafawa Balewa till IBB reigned. Awo didn't build the port, railway, barracks, housing estates etc

Lagos back then was just Lagos Island. The likes of Ikeja etc was western region under Awolowo.. Sink that into your skull.

slivertongue:
The People have made up their mind So your suggestion is more academic than politics

Which made up which mind? Lalong will clear the whole of North Central.. You all really don't want Lalong to come in because he will be the game Changer..

Point is Tinubu shouldn't limit his votes and should include everyone.

slivertongue:
I hope you know what you are saying? This is a public forum, claims such as the above is laughable. Lagos is Lagos and has effects on all parts of Lagos and SW

Even the country was practising true federalism without power at the centre at that time while 97% of what became Lagos today was under the Western region under Awolowo.

PeterObi4LP:
You be MuM.u
How many times are you going to argue with the facts here. It has been proven over and over again here on NL

Mention what the federal government did in Lagos na.

slivertongue:
Federal government is responsible for what Lagos became. It was the sit of the FG, we don't need to go into debate over that. There is more FG agencies there compared to say Yobe, these agencies have staff who receive income and spend it in the Lagos economy. The multiplier effect in enormous


It is APC that will be on the ballot not Tinubu and we will vote based on the antecedent of APC just like NIGERIANS did to PDP in 2015

Only Lagos Island was the sit of the FG. 97% of what was cut to join to become Lagos today was previously under the Western region under Awolowo. In fact, Ikeja was Awolowo's brainchild.

slivertongue:
Tinubu is not interested and nobody is begging him. The forces don't want a Christian.

It's the best to change the double Muslim Muslim ticket and bring in Lalong. There's no benefit in limiting Tinubu's votes.

slivertongue:
We all don't live in Lagos neither are we carried away by tales of wonders cos Lagos is the leading state since the creation of states due to the high presence of FG. We are judging Tinubu by the performance of APC and Buhari

Mention what federal government did in Lagos to begin with?

Tinubu isn't the incumbent President.. We're gonna judge Tinubu by his Lagos' antecedent.