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ALBAQIR...Its like ur on a mission to misguide the
faint hearted muslims, Why hide under the veil
and preach ur SHIA version of islam if it is
APPEALING to the human mind.
I am sure SHIA islam is against FITRA and
difficult for the mind to Accept.
THE TAWHID OF Allah IS THE TRUE ISLAM...Tell
us abt ur creed and lets see if it make sense.

[quote author=AlBaqir post=29418516] So the ample sahih ahadith and explanations of Sunni mainstream shuyukh quoted at OP were false and incorrect, and only the fanatic view of the wahabi-salafi is correct?
Funny man. People are not as daft as you people think. Islam talks intellectually and not fanatically.

Salam.




ALBAQIR...Its like ur on a mission to misguide the faint hearted muslims, Why hide under the veil and preach ur SHIA version of islam if it is APPEALING to the human mind.
I am sure SHIA islam is against FITRA and difficult for the mind to Accept.

THE TAWHID OF ALLAH IS THE TRUE ISLAM...Tell us abt ur creed and lets see if it make sense.

ALBAQIR...It has been established dat from d hadith previously quoted dat some r praying with small groups and umar merely bring dem under a single imam ( so its not new praying it in groups)
The word bidah used in the hadith is linguistic.

The big question is how many generation pass after d death of the prophet ( pbuh) did dey started celebrating maolid nabiy?
Did Ali celebrated it or odered the people to celebrate it as well?

As with d case of some pple praying in groups, bring an instance were d pple have celebrated maolid ealier even if its one instance.

WE KNW UR NOT A MUSLIM AS TO UR BLV DAT SALVATION IS IN OTHER THAN ISLAM

AlBaqir:
There's no doubt @bold^ But do you mind defining the word "Islam"? It is "total submission to the will of God". This is the only way man can achieve "Salam - Peace" which on the other hand what Islam signify.

All prophets of Allah propagate "al-Islam" in that sense of definition. Followers of Muhammad, ALONE, are not muslim (follower of Islam) but also inclusive are followers of other prophets.
"Verily! Those who believe and those who are Jews and Christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and do righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve." ~Quran chap.2 : 62

And, behold, among the People of the Book are those who believe in God and what has been sent down to you, and what was sent down to them, those humbling themselves before God in reverence, not selling God's Revelations for a trifling price. Such are those whose reward is with their Lord. God is swift at reckoning."
~sura al-Imran:199



Ma sha Allah. That is correct.
"Those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists...

Surely those who disbelieve from among the followers of the Book and the polytheists shall be in the fire of hell, abiding therein; they are the worst of men." ~sura al-Bayyina

Theses noble verses indicated that not ALL the people of the book disbelieve.

However, the case of those who disbelieve among the people of the book has been highlighted in the noble Qur'an:
5|116|And (remember) when Allah will say (on the Day of Resurrection): "O 'Iesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary)! Did you say unto men: 'Worship me and my mother as two gods besides Allah?' " He will say: "Glory be to You! It was not for me to say what I had no right (to say). Had I said such a thing, You would surely have known it. You know what is in my inner-self though I do not know what is in Yours, truly, You, only You, are the All-Knower of all that is hidden and unseen.

5|117|"Never did I say to them aught except what You (Allah) did command me to say: 'Worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' And I was a witness over them while I dwelt amongst them, but when You took me up, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things.

5|118|"If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, verily You, only You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."

5|119|Allah will say: "This is a Day on which the truthful will profit from their truth: theirs are Gardens under which rivers flow (in Paradise) - they shall abide therein forever. Allah is pleased with them and they with Him. That is the great success (Paradise).

There is no doubt the community of Muhammad (peace be on him and his household) is the best before Allah. And the best of reward will be reserve for the Ummah of Muhammad, but Allah will never do injustice to the believers among the followers of other faith.

Haven't you read that some among the followers of Muhammad (peace be on him and his household) will also enter Hell fire?

Qur'an states
"And you will be three kinds. So, Companions of the Right Hand, who will be Companions of the right hand? And companions of the Left Hand, who will be Companions of the Left Hand? And those foremost will be foremost." ~Q.56:7-10

"And Those who disbelieved in Our verses, they will be Companions of the Left Hand. The Fire will be shut over them ."
~Qur'an 90: 19-20

Imam Bukhari in his Sahih documented this hadith of Ibn Abbas:
'The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, said: "You will be resurrected bare-footed, Unclad and uncircumcised." Then he recited:{As We began the first creation, We shall repeat it: a promise We have undertaken. Truly, We shall do it} [21:104]. He continued: "The first to be dressed will be Ibrahim. Then, some of my SAHABAH will be taken towards the Right side AND (some)TOWARDS THE LEFT SIDE. So, I will say: 'My Sahabah! It will be said, 'THEY HAD BEEN APOSTATES SINCE YOU LEFT THEM.' I will then say as the Righteous servant, 'Isa b. Maryam, said: {And I was a witness over them whilst I lived amongst them. But, when You caused me to die, You were the Watcher over them, and You are a Witness to all things. If You punish them, they are Your slaves, and if You forgive them, You, only You, are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise} [5:117-118]' ~Sahih al-Bukhari vol. 3 p. 1271, #3263



I simply don't understand how this noble verse explains the subject matter.



This confirm the ayah:
And, behold, among the People of the Book are those who believe in God and what has been sent down to you, and what was sent down to them, those humbling themselves before God in reverence, not selling God's Revelations for a trifling price. Such are those whose reward is with their Lord. God is swift at reckoning."
~sura al-Imran:199

Only those who reject, and call Jesus god or son of god will be punished. Then what about those who NEVER heard of Muhammad (peace be on him and his household) and his message?
And what about those who heard and rejected those "fake messages" tagged Muhammad message, which is what we have today - the messages of the takfiri, wahabis et al, messages of kill, kill, kill...?

Allah, the most High, is not of your takfiri ideology. He is Merciful. And He ALONE is the:
"Master of the day of Judgment" ~sura al-Fatiha.



Again it depends on your definition and interpretation of al-Islam.

ALBAQIR PLS EXPLAIN TO US UR OWN ISLAM

Narrated Jabir Ibn Abdullah: Umar ibn al-
Khattab brought to Allah's Messenger
(peace be upon him) a copy of the Torah
and said: Allah's Messenger, this is a copy
of the Torah. He (Allah's Messenger) kept
quiet and he (Umar) began to read it. The
(colour) of the face of Allah's Messenger
(peace be upon him) underwent a change,
whereupon AbuBakr said: Would that your
mother mourn you, don't you see the face of
Allah's Messenger? Umar saw the face of
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) and
said: I seek refuge with Allah from the
wrath of Allah and the wrath of His
Messenger. We are well pleased with Allah
as Lord, with Islam as religion, and with
Muhammad as Prophet. Whereupon Allah's
Messenger (peace be upon him) said: By
Him in Whose hand is the life of
Muhammad, even if Moses were to appear
before you and you were to follow him,
leaving me aside, you would certainly stray
into error; for if (Moses) were alive (now),
and he found my prophetical ministry, he
would have definitely followed me.


Concerning the believers among the pple of the book i.e Christians, the quran refers to those that believe in Jesus(pbuh) has to what he preached which simply monotheistic and not what the TRINITARIAN of dis days preached.
Also after the ERA of any prophet and comes another as believers were are to follow the newly sent ones inclusive, so in the time of jesus(pbuh) if someone claimed to be following moses(pbuh) and rejecting jesus(pbuh) then thier is no SALVATION for dat person.

So not following prophet muhammad(pbuh) after he recieved prophethood till dis time make SOMEONE A KAFR.

THIS IS TYPICAL OF SHIA, HIDING BEHIND THE VEIL

OTHER HOLY SCRIPTURES BY THE SHIA
-----------------
But the gravest of all in the deviations of
the Shi'ahs is the presence of other holy
scriptures besides Al-Qur'an and that they
say that the Qur'an is fake. When reading
and examining our references that are
mu'tabar, I found the names of other books
claimed by our ulama' s as being revealed
to Rasulullah SAW and that those books
were specially dedicated to Ali RA. Those
books are Al-Jami'ah, Sahifah An Namus,
Sahifah Al-Abithah, Sahifah Dzuabah As-
Saif, Sahifah Ali, Al-Jufr, Mushaf Fatimah,
Al- Qur'an.
Regarding the mushaf Fathimah, from Ali
bin Said and Abu Abdullah AS (Ja'afar As
Sadiq), he said, "We possess the the
mushaf Fathimah, it contains the verses of
the kitabullah, it was revealed to Rasulullah
and his family and was written personally
by Ali with his hand." (Bihar Al Anwar,
26/48).
If the book was dictated by Rasulullah and
written by Ali, why did he hide it from his
ummah? Allah SWT says, "O Messenger,
announce that which has been revealed to
you from your Lord. , and if you do not, then
you have not conveyed His
message...." (QS Al-Maidah : 67).
Regarding the Qur'an, Our ulama' s and
mujtahid s agreed that the Qur'an is the
only book that has changed among the
books that are recognized by the Shi'ahs.
Al-Muhaddiths An-Nuri Ath-Thibrisi has
compiled all the evidences and proofs of the
occurrence of wide-scale alterations in the
Qur'an in his book which he named “The
Determiner In Establishing The Occurrence
Of Alterations In The Book Of God Of All
Gods” ( Faslu al-khithab fi Ittsbati Tahrif
Kitabi Rabbi Al-Arbab ).
In his book, he has compiled a thousand
riwaayah s which stated that there has
occurred alterations. He compiled the words
of the fiqh experts and the ulama' s of
Shi'ah who openly stated that the Qur'an
that is in the hands of mankind today has
been changed from the original.
The true Qur'an is the Qur'an that was with
Ali and the imam s after him until it will be
with Al-Qaim.
Due to that, when facing death, Imam Al-
Khaui made a will to us, his students and
cadres in Hauzah, "Hold tight to this Al-
Qur'an until the appearance of the Qur'an
Fathimah."
Indeed, the most bizarre and surprising
thing is that, all of these books had been
handed down from Allah and dedicated to
Imam Ali and the imam s after him but they
are all hidden from the ummah. If Imam Ali
really had those books, what is he hiding
them for?
After wandering in very tiring and painful
journey, what should I do? Do I have to
remain in the position and office the way it
is today, and dredge away the abundant
treasures from the simple-minded people
who do not know anything in the name of
khumus and contributions in the festivals
and then ride on a luxury car and practice
nikah mut'ah with beautiful women? Or do I
have to leave this pleasure, abstain from
the haram deeds and blast out the truth
because one who is silent from the truth is
a mute Satan.
I know that Abdullah bin Saba' is a Jew
who founded the Shi'ah Madzhab and sects
in Islam. He instilled enmity and hatred
amongst them after they were earlier bound
by love and iman which united their hearts.
"They [think to] deceive Allah and those
who believe, but they deceive not except
themselves and perceive [it] not." (QS Al-
Baqarah : 9)



Concerning the permisibility of MAOLUD i have proven beyond doubt, instead u try to dicredit the sahaba Umar ibn khattab using sahih hadith u MISINTERPRETED and i presented to you from those sahih hadith the STATUS of umar among the sahabas.
SO ARE U NOE REJECTING THE HADITHS OF COURSE U DONT BLV IN ANY OF THOSE HADITH TO START WITH UR ONLY HERE TO MISGUIDE MUSLIMS BY QUOTING WHAT U WISH AND DISREGARDING OTHERS WHEN U FEEL LIKE.

The virtues of Al farouq umar ibn khattab (ra)


1. Sayyiduna Abdullah bin Abbas (may
Allah be pleased with both the father
and the son) reports the Holy Prophet,
may Allah send greetings and salutations
on him, as saying:
ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺃﻋﺰ ﺍﻹﺳﻼﻡ ﺑﺄﺑﻰ ﺟﻬﻞ ﺑﻦ ﻫﺸﺎﻡ ﺃﻭ ﺑﻌﻤﺮ. ﻗﺎﻝ
ﻓﺄﺻﺒﺢ ﻓﻐﺪﺍ ﻋﻤﺮ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ - ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ
ﻭﺳﻠﻢ- ﻓﺄﺳﻠﻢ
"O Allah, strengthen Islam with Abu
Jahl bin Hisham or Umar bin
Khattab." In the morning Umar went
to the Holy Prophet, may Allah send
greetings and salutations on him, and
embraced Islam. [Sunan Tirmidhi,
Hadith 3683]
2. Sayyiduna Abdullah bin Abbas (may
Allah be pleased with both the father
and the son) narrates when Sayyiduna
Umar Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu accepted
Islam, Jibraeel Alaihis Salam descent and
said:
ﻳﺎ ﻣﺤﻤﺪ ﻟﻘﺪ ﺍﺳﺘﺒﺸﺮ ﺃﻫﻞ ﺍﻟﺴﻤﺎﺀ ﺑﺈﺳﻼﻡ ﻋﻤﺮ
"O Muhammad – may Allah send
greetings and salutations on him –
indeed, the residents of the heavens
are rejoicing in Umar`s embracing
Islam." [Sunan Ibn Majah, Hadith 103]
3. It is related that Sayyiduna 'Abdullah
Radi Allahu Ta'ala Anhu said,
ﻣﺎ ﺯﻟﻨﺎ ﺃﻋﺰﺓ ﻣﻨﺬ ﺃﺳﻠﻢ ﻋﻤﺮ
"We have become mighty since 'Umar
became Muslim." [Sahih al-Bukhari,
Book of the Virtues of the
Companions, Hadith 3481]
4. Sayyiduna Uqbah bin Amir (may Allah
be pleased with him) narrates that the
Holy Prophet, may Allah send greetings
and salutations on him, said:
ﻟﻮ ﻛﺎﻥ ﺑﻌﺪﻯ ﻧﺒﻰ ﻟﻜﺎﻥ ﻋﻤﺮ ﺑﻦ ﺍﻟﺨﻄﺎﺏ
If there were to be a prophet after
me, indeed he would be Umar, son of
Khattab. [Sunan Tirmidhi, Hadith
3686]

It is related that Sayyiduna Jabir ibn
'Abdullah said that the Prophet, may
Allah bless him and grant him peace,
said,
ﺭﺃﻳﺘﻨﻰ ﺩﺧﻠﺖ ﺍﻟﺠﻨﺔ ، ﻓﺈﺫﺍ ﺃﻧﺎ ﺑﺎﻟﺮﻣﻴﺼﺎﺀ ﺍﻣﺮﺃﺓ ﺃﺑﻰ
ﻃﻠﺤﺔ ﻭﺳﻤﻌﺖ ﺧﺸﻔﺔ ، ﻓﻘﻠﺖ ﻣﻦ ﻫﺬﺍ ﻓﻘﺎﻝ ﻫﺬﺍ
ﺑﻼﻝ . ﻭﺭﺃﻳﺖ ﻗﺼﺮﺍ ﺑﻔﻨﺎﺋﻪ ﺟﺎﺭﻳﺔ ، ﻓﻘﻠﺖ ﻟﻤﻦ ﻫﺬﺍ
ﻓﻘﺎﻝ ﻟﻌﻤﺮ . ﻓﺄﺭﺩﺕ ﺃﻥ ﺃﺩﺧﻠﻪ ﻓﺄﻧﻈﺮ ﺇﻟﻴﻪ ، ﻓﺬﻛﺮﺕ
ﻏﻴﺮﺗﻚ ‏» . ﻓﻘﺎﻝ ﻋﻤﺮ ﺑﺄﻣﻰ ﻭﺃﺑﻰ ﻳﺎ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺃﻋﻠﻴﻚ
ﺃﻏﺎﺭ ﻃﺮﻓﺎﻩ
"I dreamt that I entered the Garden
and there was ar-Rumaysa', the wife
of Abu Talha. I heard a faint sound
and said, 'Who is this?' He said, 'This
is Bilal.' I saw a palace with a girl in
its courtyard and said, 'Who does this
belong to?' They said, ''Umar.' I
wanted to enter it and look at it but
then I remembered your jealousy.'
'Umar said, 'By my mother and
father, Messenger of Allah, would I be
jealous on account of you?'" [Sahih al-
Bukhari, Book of the Virtues of the
Companions, Hadith 3476]


It is related from Sayyiduna Abu
Hamzah that the Messenger of Allah,
may Allah bless him and grant him
peace, said,
ﺑﻴﻨﺎ ﺃﻧﺎ ﻧﺎﺋﻢ ﺷﺮﺑﺖ - ﻳﻌﻨﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﺒﻦ - ﺣﺘﻰ ﺃﻧﻈﺮ ﺇﻟﻰ ﺍﻟﺮﻯ
ﻳﺠﺮﻯ ﻓﻰ ﻇﻔﺮﻯ ﺃﻭ ﻓﻰ ﺃﻇﻔﺎﺭﻯ ، ﺛﻢ ﻧﺎﻭﻟﺖ ﻋﻤﺮ.
ﻓﻘﺎﻟﻮﺍ ﻓﻤﺎ ﺃﻭﻟﺘﻪ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺍﻟﻌﻠﻢ
"While I was asleep, I dreamt that I
drank (milk) until I could feel
moisture coming out of my nails and
then I gave it to 'Umar ibn al-
Khattab." They asked, "How do you
interpret it, Messenger of Allah?" He
replied, "It means knowledge." [Sahih
al-Bukhari, Book of the Virtues of the
Companions, Hadith 3478]

It is related that Sayyiduna Sa'id ibn
Abi Waqqas said,
ﺍﺳﺘﺄﺫﻥ ﻋﻤﺮ ﺑﻦ ﺍﻟﺨﻄﺎﺏ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ - ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ
ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ - ، ﻭﻋﻨﺪﻩ ﻧﺴﻮﺓ ﻣﻦ ﻗﺮﻳﺶ ﻳﻜﻠﻤﻨﻪ
ﻭﻳﺴﺘﻜﺜﺮﻧﻪ ، ﻋﺎﻟﻴﺔ ﺃﺻﻮﺍﺗﻬﻦ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺻﻮﺗﻪ ﻓﻠﻤﺎ ﺍﺳﺘﺄﺫﻥ
ﻋﻤﺮ ﺑﻦ ﺍﻟﺨﻄﺎﺏ ﻗﻤﻦ ﻓﺒﺎﺩﺭﻥ ﺍﻟﺤﺠﺎﺏ ﻓﺄﺫﻥ ﻟﻪ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ
ﺍﻟﻠﻪ - ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ - ﻓﺪﺧﻞ ﻋﻤﺮ ﻭﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ -
ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ - ﻳﻀﺤﻚ ، ﻓﻘﺎﻝ ﻋﻤﺮ ﺃﺿﺤﻚ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ
ﺳﻨﻚ ﻳﺎ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ . ﻓﻘﺎﻝ ﺍﻟﻨﺒﻰ - ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ
ﻭﺳﻠﻢ - ‏« ﻋﺠﺒﺖ ﻣﻦ ﻫﺆﻻﺀ ﺍﻟﻼﺗﻰ ﻛﻦ ﻋﻨﺪﻯ ﻓﻠﻤﺎ
ﺳﻤﻌﻦ ﺻﻮﺗﻚ ﺍﺑﺘﺪﺭﻥ ﺍﻟﺤﺠﺎﺏ ‏» . ﻓﻘﺎﻝ ﻋﻤﺮ ﻓﺄﻧﺖ
ﺃﺣﻖ ﺃﻥ ﻳﻬﺒﻦ ﻳﺎ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ . ﺛﻢ ﻗﺎﻝ ﻋﻤﺮ ﻳﺎ ﻋﺪﻭﺍﺕ
ﺃﻧﻔﺴﻬﻦ ، ﺃﺗﻬﺒﻨﻨﻰ ﻭﻻ ﺗﻬﺒﻦ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ - ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ
ﻭﺳﻠﻢ - ﻓﻘﻠﻦ ﻧﻌﻢ ، ﺃﻧﺖ ﺃﻓﻆ ﻭﺃﻏﻠﻆ ﻣﻦ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ -
ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ - . ﻓﻘﺎﻝ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ - ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ
ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ - ﺇﻳﻬﺎ ﻳﺎ ﺍﺑﻦ ﺍﻟﺨﻄﺎﺏ ﻭﺍﻟﺬﻯ ﻧﻔﺴﻰ ﺑﻴﺪﻩ ﻣﺎ
ﻟﻘﻴﻚ ﺍﻟﺸﻴﻄﺎﻥ ﺳﺎﻟﻜﺎ ﻓﺠﺎ ﻗﻂ ﺇﻻ ﺳﻠﻚ ﻓﺠﺎ ﻏﻴﺮ ﻓﺠﻚ
"'Umar asked the Messenger of Allah,
may Allah bless him and grant him
peace, for permission to enter while
there were some women of Quraysh
with him who speaking to him and
asking him for more, raising their
voices above his voice. When 'Umar
ibn al-Khattab asked for permission
to enter, they rushed to screen
themselves. The Messenger of Allah,
may Allah bless him and grant him
peace, gave him permission and
'Umar entered while the Messenger of
Allah, may Allah bless him and grant
him peace, was laughing. 'Umar said,
'May Allah make you laugh, Messenger
of Allah.' He said, 'I am amazed at
those women who were with me.
When they heard your voice, they
rushed to screen themselves.' 'Umar
said, 'But you, Messenger of Allah, are
more entitled to be feared.' Then he
said, 'O enemies of your selves! Do
you fear me and not fear the
Messenger of Allah?' They said, 'Yes,
you are harsher and more severe than
the Messenger of Allah.' The
Messenger of Allah said, 'O Ibn al-
Khattab! By the One in whose hand
my soul is, whenever Shaytan finds
you taking a path, he only takes a
path other than your path.'" [Sahih al-
Bukhari, Book of the Virtues of the
Companions, Hadith 3480]


Sayyiduna Ali (may Allah ennoble his
face) narrates that the Messenger of
Allah (may Allah bestow peace and
blessings upon him) said,
ﺃﺑﻮﺑﻜﺮ ﻭﻋﻤﺮ ﺳﻴﺪﺍ ﻛﻬﻮﻝ ﺃﻫﻞ ﺍﻟﺠﻨﺔ ﻣﻦ ﺍﻷﻭﻟﻴﻦ
ﻭﺍﻵﺧﺮﻳﻦ، ﻣﺎ ﺧﻼ ﺍﻟﻨﺒﻴﻴﻦ ﻭﺍﻟﻤﺮﺳﻠﻴﻦ
“Abu Bakr and `Umar are the leaders
of the mature inhabitants of Paradise,
of the first and the last with the
exception of the Prophets and the
Messengers.” [Jami' al-Ahadith,
Hadith 233]

It is related that Sayyiduna Ibn
'Abbas said,
ﻭﺿﻊ ﻋﻤﺮ ﻋﻠﻰ ﺳﺮﻳﺮﻩ ، ﻓﺘﻜﻨﻔﻪ ﺍﻟﻨﺎﺱ ﻳﺪﻋﻮﻥ
ﻭﻳﺼﻠﻮﻥ ﻗﺒﻞ ﺃﻥ ﻳﺮﻓﻊ ، ﻭﺃﻧﺎ ﻓﻴﻬﻢ ، ﻓﻠﻢ ﻳﺮﻋﻨﻰ ﺇﻻ
ﺭﺟﻞ ﺁﺧﺬ ﻣﻨﻜﺒﻰ ، ﻓﺈﺫﺍ ﻋﻠﻰ ﻓﺘﺮﺣﻢ ﻋﻠﻰ ﻋﻤﺮ ، ﻭﻗﺎﻝ
ﻣﺎ ﺧﻠﻔﺖ ﺃﺣﺪﺍ ﺃﺣﺐ ﺇﻟﻰ ﺃﻥ ﺃﻟﻘﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺑﻤﺜﻞ ﻋﻤﻠﻪ ﻣﻨﻚ ،
ﻭﺍﻳﻢ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ، ﺇﻥ ﻛﻨﺖ ﻷﻇﻦ ﺃﻥ ﻳﺠﻌﻠﻚ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻣﻊ
ﺻﺎﺣﺒﻴﻚ ، ﻭﺣﺴﺒﺖ ﺃﻧﻰ ﻛﻨﺖ ﻛﺜﻴﺮﺍ ﺃﺳﻤﻊ ﺍﻟﻨﺒﻰ -
ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ - ﻳﻘﻮﻝ ﺫﻫﺒﺖ ﺃﻧﺎ ﻭﺃﺑﻮ ﺑﻜﺮ
ﻭﻋﻤﺮ ، ﻭﺩﺧﻠﺖ ﺃﻧﺎ ﻭﺃﺑﻮ ﺑﻜﺮ ﻭﻋﻤﺮ ، ﻭﺧﺮﺟﺖ ﺃﻧﺎ ﻭﺃﺑﻮ
ﺑﻜﺮ ﻭﻋﻤﺮ
"'Umar ibn al-Khattab who had been
placed on his bed, and the people
gathered around him to make
supplication and pray before he was
removed. I was among them. I was
startled when a man took hold of my
shoulders, and it was 'Ali ibn Abi
Talib. He asked for mercy for 'Umar
and said, 'You have not left behind
anyone I would prefer to encounter
with the like of your actions. By Allah,
I used to think that Allah would put
you with your two companions. I
reckoned this as I often heard the
Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless
him and grant him peace, say, "I and
Abu Bakr and 'Umar went..." and "I
and Abu Bakr and 'Umar entered..."
and "I and Abu Bakr and 'Umar
left."'" [Sahih al-Bukhari, Book of the
Virtues of the Companions, Hadith
3482]

THESE ARE SOME OF WHAT UMAR STOOD FOR

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said
With regard to qiyaam in Ramadaan, the
Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of
Allaah be upon him) introduced this to his
ummah, and he led them in prayer for a number
of nights, because at his time they used to pray
in congregation and individually. But he did not
persist in leading them in one congregation, lest
that be made obligatory for them. When the
Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon
him) died, sharee’ah was established (and would
not change after that). When ‘Umar (may Allaah
be pleased with him) became caliph, he united
them behind one imam, Ubayy ibn Ka’b, who
united the people in one congregation on the
orders of ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be
pleased with him). ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased
with him) was one of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs,
of whom the Prophet (peace and blessings of
Allaah be upon him) said: “I urge you to adhere
to my Sunnah and the way of the Rightly-Guided
Caliphs after me; cling tightly to it.” So what he
did was Sunnah but he said, “What a good
innovation this is,” because it was an innovation
in the linguistic sense, as they were doing
something that they had not done during the life
of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings
of Allaah be upon him), i.e., gathering to do this,
but it is Sunnah in the shar’i sense.” [Majmoo’ al-
Fataawa, 22/234, 235]

With this i said salam to those wu follow the guidance as the SHIA are against the sahaba (RA) and have invented KUFR in thier creed.

This another hadith concerning d ones u hv been quoting,
Narrated 'Urwa:
That he was informed by 'Aisha, "Allah's Apostle
went out in the middle of the night and prayed in
the mosque and some men prayed behind him. In
the morning, the people spoke about it and then a
large number of them gathered and prayed behind
him (on the second night). In the next morning
the people again talked about it and on the third
night the mosque was full with a large number of
people. Allah's Apostle came out and the people
prayed behind him. On the fourth night the
Mosque was overwhelmed with people and could
not accommodate them, but the Prophet came
out (only) for the morning prayer. When the
morning prayer was finished he recited Tashah-
hud and (addressing the people) said, "Amma
ba'du, your presence was not hidden from me but
I was afraid lest the night prayer (Qiyam) should
be enjoined on you and you might not be able to
CARRY IT ON." So, Allah's Apostle died and the
situation remained like that (i.e. people prayed
individually)
The need and circumstance at the time of the
Prophet to the time of Umar Bin Al Khattab
(RA) .
At the time of Prophet :
1. Prophet was alive
2. Revelations and laws of Shariah kept coming
to him from Allah
3. Prophet himself prayed with the people and
continued for 3 nights.
4. Prophet stopped praying fearing that it would
be made compulsory since Prophet was alive and
revelation
kept coming onto him and seeing the enthusiasm
of the Sahaba it might have been made
compulsory.
5. Had the law been established as compulsory, if
anyone missed the prayer, then he would be
blamed for such action.

Also from the the hadith of umar
Ibn Shihab said, "Allah's Apostle died and the
people continued observing that (i.e. Nawafil
offered individually, not in congregation), and it
remained as it was during the Caliphate of Abu
Bakr and in the early days of 'Umar's Caliphate."
'Abdur Rahman bin 'Abdul Qari said, "I went out
in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night
in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people
praying in different groups. A man praying alone
or a MAN PRAYING WITH A LITTLE GROUP behind him.
So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better
collect these (people) under the leadership of one
Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in
congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to
congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka'b. Then on
another night I went again in his company and
the people were praying behind their reciter. On
that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a ,
this is; but the prayer which they do not perform,
but sleep at its time is better than the one they
are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part
of the night. (In those days) people used to pray
in the early part of the night."

From the above it is noted that some of the pple use to pray in congregation as was d case of those PRAYING WITH LITTLE group behind dem, so it was a sunnah among dem. UMAR merely revived d sunnah and make it more orderly by gathering dem under one imam.

I UNDERSTAND YOU ARE A SHIA CONSIDERING UR STANCE TOWARDS THIS AS SHIA ARE THE ORIGINAL INVENTOR OF THIS PRACTICES AND OTHER DEVIANT IDEOLOGIES DAT MAKE DEM RAISE THIER IMAM TO THE LEVEL OF SHIRK.

This is a direct question and need a direct answer, the only true religion in the sight of Allah is ISLAM. Albaqir stop confusing d pple further.

"And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam,
it will never be accepted of him, and in the
Hereafter he will be one of the losers". -Qur'an 3,
verse 85

"And I (Allah) created not the jinns and humans
except they should worship Me."- Qur'an 51 verse
56.

" By Him (Allah) in Whose Hand Muhammad's
soul is, there is none from amongst the Jews and
the christians (of these present nations) who
hears about me and then dies without believing
in the Message with which I have been sent, but
he will be from the dwellers of the (Hell)
Fire." (Sahih Muslim, the Book of Faith, Vol. 1,
Hadith No. 240.

ANY other way is a path leading to HELL and thier is no sitting on the fence. The messege of ISLAM is clear.

Al baqir pls stop propagating bidah, cos bidah is bidah no matter how many misinterpretation u bring up to support ur view. Concerning d issue of taraweeh, rosulullah (saw) did not dissaprove of it wen he was alive with d sahabah rather he discontinue comming out of his home out of fear dat Allah will make it obligatory upon d muslims. Umar merely revived it during his khilafa and also thier is an hadith of rosulullah (saw) were he said follow my sunnah and the sunnah of the righly guided khulafa after me.
As for u i have dis to ask u, did rosulullah celebrate his own birthday?, did the rightly guided khulafah or even any of d sahaba celebrate it? and d answer is NO. So fear Allah my brother cos truth is clear.
MAWLID NABIY CELEBRATION IS BIDAH and some among those celebrating it today go to d extent of commiting shirk from it. May ALLAH guide us.

Elacutey: me PH....i hope am not d only 1 who goes 2 PH....

bro is thier going to be provision for accommodation for those dat choose other than Lagos?

bro pls do u knw or if u r told thier will be extra benefit in terms of accomodation or so for those dat choose other than lagos?

[quote author=cc150615][/quote]I asked the pple at AKTC if dey do have night bus, the answer is a NO.

[quote author=cc150615][/quote]if ur for monday lets talk 07062972569

Anybody for monday travelling from lagos on saturday, let hook up based on accomodation to share the expenses.

wu is travelling on saturday, so we can lodge in an hotel and share the expenses together.

obiscolly: I see. You should send an email to communications@unicem.com.ng. That's only contact we have.

obiscolly its like ur a staff of unicem, share some interview tips conducted by unicem.

JamexJames: kasali ride on God is by u. Jamex

Amen bro, nice meeting u here. how far na? u can just paste me ur number here.

Ferdybaba: Happy new month!!! A big congrats to the successful guys, getting a smile provoking text or mail on the first day of the month is just God's doing and I believe HE will complete what he has started...Amen.

bro abeg give us detail info on the interview, and what r d chances at this stage?

Ferdybaba: Happy new month!!! A big congrats to the successful guys, getting a smile provoking text or mail on the first day of the month is just God's doing and I believe HE will complete what he has started...Amen.

bro abeg give us detail info on the interview, and what r d chances of passing it?

We write to inform you that you were successful in the first and second phase of the Aptitude test conducted for the position of a Graduate Trainee in UniCem.
There will be a last phase in Calabar and this will be an Oral interview within this month of September. Actual dates will be communicated soon.

Emasel: Have u received interview invite?

Not yet but its not a bad idea to get a glimpse of what to expect. He should just give us the outline, saying normal interview stuff isnt enuf.

Ferdybaba: [author=donnaheff]Ferdybaba Please what is d pay like for Graduate trainees in Unicem

Hi Donnaheff, please refer to page 6 of this thread.Thanks.

ferdybaba pls outline the interview questions for us to hv a glimpse of what to expect.

Farouksenior: @ Emasel. Hw many of u guys wrote the 2nd stage in lagos??

how many wrote at calabar center?

Farouksenior: @ Emasel. Hw many of u guys wrote the 2nd stage in lagos??

aw many wrote at calabar?

unyours: why not ask Ferdybaba here so that others will benefit? Na wa to some people o. Or didn't you benefit from the info shared by Ferdybaba via others questions? Ferdybaba, abeg any info you wan give am, abeg share am here cos all man need am.

ferdy baba pls, are u with unicem nw? as in did u make it tru d interview, and what kind of questions were asked during d interview plus what r the chances of making it pass d interview stage?. Pls ur response will be highly appreciated.

ferdybaba i hail ooh. pls can i have ur phone number as i have somthing to discus with u. sodiqksa@gmail.com, 07062972569

just got invite for second stage test....pls someone should provide info on aw the stage 2 test look like.

Ferdybaba: The test consists of Verbal and Engineering questions.

bro aw many verbal and engineering question were set last yr, and for aw many minutes.

samik900: Are u guyZ sure is nt becos of our course dt we weren't invited?for me I studied analytical/ind.chemistery,bt no invite.has any ind.chem graduate got invit yet?jst wana knw pls!

yea i did study ind. chem and i hv been invited for lagos.

pls for those dat hv done thier interview, can u give an highlight of the questions ur asked abt? for science based or engineering student pls do state what u feel is peculiar to u during the interview like - why do u want to change career.