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Please do not post your Bible classes to me I am not your audience for such I position. Keep your faith in your corner please. I am here for the topic I gave you only. Part of your faith is to respect freedom of faith and religion.

Kenyaman

Sorry for the error above.


Should have read: I very well know, etc

Ajalenkoko,

I deeply appreciate your kind remarks. I as well know of very informed writers such as Chinua Achebe. Things Fall Apart. Such writers from within the continent, along with many other African and Caribean writer have taught me to appreciate the depth and wisdom that comes from our continent. We need solutions born from our mother lands not from alien continents of the world.

Kenyaman

AMAKA,

My dear sister of our blessed Commonwealth of Nations,


The very paragraph you lifted has the answer to your question. There has been more issue raising but less response thinking. Now we need not only to ask questions, BUT post our SOLUTIONS to this huge problem of Corruption.

I know you may think that if you post your SOLUTION, Nigerian leaders will not listen. This may be the case, but new Nigerians will utilize the collective wisdom of the SOLUTIONS you post to further our agenda of getting ride of corruption across the Continent of Africa.

No idea, my sisters and brothers over in Nigeria, parents and comrades across distant lands of the commonwealth of African nations, is too small to solve our collective problem of CORRUPTION.


YES WE CAN GET RIDE OF CORRUPTION in AFRICA and this includes NIGERIA and Kenya.

Kenyaman

GBawe and Co,



I have followed your writings about the corrupt nature of Nigeria, your defence of Kenyan education system by citing Ngugi Wa Thiongo and perhaps I may add Ngugi Wa Miiri. It is obvious that Kenyans as well as Nigerians are a product of the same British colonial educational system. Bearing the same heritage makes it more necessary for us to deal with our own post colonial problems in the African way.

We do not need foreign solutions, we need to look to Africa to solve our African problems. It was okay to blame the British or the west in 1960's, but today we must rise beyond the blame cards and face our own music.


What I'm saying is that the compus that Chinua Achebe brings and many Kenyan authors bring immediately after independence can and are good classics of African literature, but NOW we need to move beyond this literature of BLAME of the west on politics, faith, and values education to creating our own home made systems that work and emulate our African image.


Kenyaman

Image123,


It is proper for me to respond at a very shallow level that if one sinned and all have sinned, it follows logically that every nation in Africa has this evil tendency equally inert in its character. Thus all Nigerian politicians are inherently sharing the same nature as the politicians in other nations such as Kenya.


To assume that politicians in Nigerian are more evil than politicians in other nations is totally heretical and a lame excuse in dealing with this vital issue of Corruption of Nigerian politicians as well as those in Kenya.

One may ask, "Why then are politicians of one Nation more corrupt than those of other Nations? This is a policy issue more so, than a theological issue. We know this very well thus why we have separation of Church and state. We need to keep it this way to avoid further corruption.

It would be worse to hear a politician claim that God elected him/her to plunder the wealth of a particular Nation.

Kenyaman

Bibikate,


What a commonwealth? All the flags of the continent are our commonwealth of Nations. Take pride in all, not just the isolationist mode. Let once and for all contribute to what will solve the problem of corruption. Isolationism is not one of the solutions in my humble opinion.

Kenyaman

The Amaka


You are commenting but not responding to the issue at hand. We know that most Nigerians will agree with me that politicians in Nigeria are very corrupt than the Kenyan Politicians. Having said all this which is supported by by Nigerian sources, I am quick to say that Kenyan politicians are also corrupt though in variation of degree.

The question we must address is:

What can we the citizens of the African commonwealth of Nations do?



Kenyaman

Dealing with Corruption in Nigerian, Kenya and in all African countries


Imagine a situation where we the Nations of Africa, shame these politicians whenever they use corruption to raise their own personal interests. Imagine we the commonwealth of Nations writing to the Newspaper editor condemning the corruption of Kenyan politicians in raising their own salaries ahead over the interest of Kenyans?!!! This if done constantly and always by the LOVERS OF DEMOCRACY across the continent could bring about change. "CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN"

Africa post your positive ideas to mold and effect positive Political climate in Africa


Kenyaman

Kuntamah,

Your idea that the world should stop facing issues head on because of the magnitude of the issues in a given area, IE Nigeria, or Nairaland forum appears wanting. Here in Niaraland we find the crossroad of the majority of the people in Nigeria who are movers and shakers. It appears to me that from this wide range of minds that visit Nairaland, we can find the collective solution for the Problem of corruption of our politicians in Africa and in our case Nigerian and Kenyan politicians.



Do not give up
Kenyaman

Elianah

I am not assuming that you do not know the degree of Nigerian politician corruption. On the contrary, I am fully aware of your knowledge of the same. Similarly, I am fully aware of the politician corruption in Kenya and the other less corrupt nations like Ghana.

Where I think you may be able to help me and other nations on this is by your candid contribution to constructive solution to our vast politician corruption in our commonwealth of Nations in the Continent of Africa.



What is your own ideas of solution to our politician corruption? This is where you come to contribute. We should be here to show both the west and Africa that we hold the key to solving our own continental problems.



Kenyaman

GBawe,


It is very simplisitic to assume that with all the foreign embasies in Nigeria, we lack other African nationalities within Nigeria. On the contrary, airlines ferry people from all works of life into Nigeria on a very deily bais. Just that the Africans visiting do not blow trumpets does not mean there is lack of visita to Nigeria.

I am of the opnion that just as the Nigerian have moved and settled in different parts of the world, so have other Africans. What is vivid is that the same degree of corruption happening within the continent tends to migrate with the various entitties into the western world. I am not sure that Nigerians are the only peopel travelled.

Whether true or false their movement would have NOTHING to do with Nigerian or Kenyan politician corruption. Those who are travelled quite often are not cessarily the problem of our Nations.


Kenyaman

Seonnet02,


I want to say in the outset, I am never against Nigerians because only a small fraction of Nigerians are politicians. There are millions of Nigerians that are very fine people. Secondly, I did not say that Kenyan politicians are not corrupt. We need you as citizens of the commonwealth of African nations to condemn Kenyan politicians in the strongest worded language as you would Nigerian politicians.


What I am rather talking about is this whole issue of degree of corruption. My Nigerian sources appear to emphasize that Nigerian politicians, NOT CITIZENS, are more corrupt than Kenya politicians. Is this right in your opinion?


Kenyaman

The initial opening remark was that in a variation, Nigerian politicians are more corrupt than Kenyan politicians. What was not compared in the mix is what you brought regarding hardworking Nigerians as the Evy of all nations. This strictly this, I show a very different foci of Nigerians I know.
Gbawa: I am very sorry to learn that you equated politicians with all other Nigerian professionals here. To that question, my response is genrally positive. In fact I see you as the solution to the political problems not the problem. I beg to differ that you in far the Nigerian as feeling Superior, on the contrary, I can find similar Kenyans who feel very much on top of their world. THUS NO BASIS FOR the variation in corruption.


Whether the corruption is huge or small we must collectively attack it



kenyaman

Gbawe,


My experience with the Nigerians I have met has been very positive. They are very hardworking just like everybody else I know in the other African nations. They are family men, women, sons, daughter, professionals, laborers, religious, pagan etc.

The abasement of one people over the other is a fundamental reason why our people(Africans) fail to focus on what is at stake. This is not a question of inferiority complex. It is a question of shifting the blame of our problems to other people.


It is now over 60 years since independence, yet you will hear scholars, religious leaders, laymen, people of all works of life defend their incompetence by SHIFTING THE BLAME OF WHAT IS WRONG WITH AFRICA TO THE COLONIAL REGIMES. When does the African become responsible to his/her own country problems.

Could it be the case that since Independence we have suffered brain drain and we need to have our governments pay better wages to our educated this way we may retain the talent we are missing? Can it be possible that the corruption in our own nations have made it less appealling for our educated lot and we must fix this back door window?

Why are we not able to tackle this corruption? I am here to learn from the collective wisdom, not to instruct, though instruction may equally happen, but to gather the facts and hopefully redirect the wasted energy on mistaken targets.

kenyaman

Omolulu,


You are rather too sensitive to Nigeria than to the real problem corruption that is rampent all over Africa. What brings me to the forum is the collective wisdom of the African minds to solve our own problems in the continent of Africa. You are not off the hook yet.


Join me, join us in the collective wisdom of the commonwealth of African nations to get ride of the evil corruption that is dragging all of us down. Whether we are innocent or guilty, the fact that we are in this continent and the world public relation is painting us as corrupt is an issue you OMOLULU must seek a solution for whether your nation like my nation may be corrupt at the top end, middle or any where else in the pendulum.

Deepsoul,

I am in a mission sister. I am here to investigate, examine thoroughly the issue that appears to pre-occupy many Nigerians. The issue that corruption is rampent in Nigeria than in any other place in Africa. If these voices of lamentation are credible, then what can we do to get ride of this vise in the continent of Africa?


kenyaman

Seanate02,


I am amazed at the limitted nature of your vocabulary. I think to trivialize the magnitude of such a huge problem in the continent of Africa for cheap shots on insults explains why our continent is not resolving issues rationally. Can you sit in a chair as an ambassador of the continent in looking for ways and means to get ride of corruption?

Is rational thinking too much for you to deal with?


kenyaman

Omolulu,

The question of corruption in Africa is central in the minds of all of us, not because Nigeria is more corrupt than the rest of Africa, but because many times we have looked to our own countries for solutions. My interest in Nigeria is not for the corruption, but for the great ideas I believe I can ac-certain from Nigerians.


The eye witness information from my sources(Nigerians) speaking about their own nation appears very negative. I want to hear from you. Is it the case than Nigerians a more corrupt than the rest of Africa? Perhaps not the case. Why then are Nigerians so negative at times about their own nation? Is there some truth in this? Thus what being inside the nation can clarify.

Yoruba man, tell me your views about corruption in Nigeria, Kenya etc, I am interested in this research and solutions.

RSA. First and foremost, I am not in your forum because I am bored. I am here to get to the bottom of a deep troubling issue in the continent of Africa: Corruption. The issues regarding genda as a way to divert the focus of the issue at hand.

In brief, it is femininity that appeals to a man and masculinity that appeals to a woman. I believwe in the biological family, father, mother and child(ren). It is the only vehicle of procreation and none- other vehicle interests me. Thus if you have a Yoruba, Igbo, Tivu, Hausa-fulani sister, I will be ready to seduce her for a genuine relationship. It can be a way of me eating fufu.


This also may open the get for me to be in the commonwealth of nations where I can deal with this continental issue of corruption

Kenyaman

I totally agree with you about the Kenyan Parliament corruption. They have since Independence raised their salaries annually at the expense of the wanainchi(citizens). This is exactly where we need to work together as Independent nations of Africa to look for African solutions for African political problems.

You may be aware that Kenyans have a new constitution attracting about 70% of the Kenyan popular vote. In that constitution, the Harmonized Version of the Kenyan constitution, corruption will be dealt a huge blow. We are waiting to see the NEW Kenya constitution in action. There is going to be 7 States and the Nairobi area.

In those seven(7) states, each state will have its own Parliament and will vote in responsible candidates to govern their states. Among other things the constitution will allow of states to set their own taxes, wages, and share in a federation roads, military efforts and control of our boarders.
These members who moved to raise their wages were asked to wait until August 4, 2010 when the referendum of Kenya constitution will be held.

Members of Parliament who grabbed land will cry in tears as they return those stolen lands to the States whose lands were stolen.

Any Kenyan politician caught in corruption charge will no longer hold office in a Kenyan government until they die. Perhaps this is a step in the right direction. I encourage you to go on line and get the Harmonized constitution draft tabled for a vote August 4, 2010

kenyaman

Mr. Fire,


I think it is wrong to assume that in Nigeria only Nigerians riside or settle. We have numerous embasies in Nigeria. All these nations work colaboratively with Nigeria. Similarly in Kenya we have so many embasies that are attached to this country. There is nothing fake about other peoeple visiting or living in your country. No Nigerian politician should be paid five times the wage of a western governor. This is absurd, but Nigerian sources tell me that politicians in Nigerian earn more than presidents of the western world?

Is this true? I know Kenyan politicians are no better? What can we do to stop this madness Mr. Fire?

Thank you for welcoming me to the community of Nations. I think my presence here yould be viewed as a rational contribution. Not a vehicle of unneccessary attack. We the people of the continent from here forward, MUST begin to look for home made solutions for our home made problems.
The time is right for all Africans to rise and call a spade a spade. NO more blaming the west for all corrupt leaders, corrupt citizenary and ill-founded systems of governance. We must look to Africa to solve African problems.


kenyaman

Your point is well taken. Why? asking me to stay only in Kenyan forum is like asking Nigerians in Diaspora to stay only in Nigeria. Thus as one steps out, one begins to get a global idea of how the continent is corrupt. Funny many a time, we blame the west, colonialism etc for our problems 50 or more years later.  Do you get my point?

While it is true that our people are collectively corrupt. We must see what other nations within Africa since Independence have done. We need African solutions for African problems. Hence we cannot sit in our own countries and be satisfied. We must look broad and wide to get to the bottom of this wide spread corruption.

kenyaman

There is no need to argue whether or not Nigerian politicians are corrupt. I have not neither my authorities have argued that Kenya is not corrupt. We are talking about the degree of corruption. Nigerians tell me that in Nigeria today, the wealthy have to go to Ghana for the weekend. The Nira can be earned in Nigeria but spending the Nira must be in another country.


The authorities tell me that you can not travel by car, truck, or on foot without the fear of being mugged. Streets in all Nigerian major cities are extremely dangerous. People can be asked to alight from public transportation and then lined up on the street to be killed. Is this true or are my Nigerian source authorities wrong?

Why is it that all African politicians are corrupt? Why are Nigerian government officials so corrupt,? In my country, Kenya it is surely a fact that they are less corrupt.