The fact that this thread is still alive is ridiculous.
2 point alone kill this thread.
1. Thousands of Nigerians have being fleeing to Europe in fckin rickety boats.
2. Barbaric scale of the genocide btwn famers and herders.

All this posting of pictures of streets and expensive housing is stupid.

Nowenuse:


Kenya is not ahead of Nigeria in infrastructure. What the heck do you mean by democratic institutions?
The whole world saw how disastrous this last Kenyan election was.

A large chunk of Kenyan territory lives in the stone age and you talk of Kenya having better infrastructures?

Kenya is only good on doing things to impress foreigners while
the majority of the population suffers.

slowpoke, I am an objective observer, I am not relying emotions like you, I have been to both countries your population ratio to infrastructure is not comparable to Kenya. I am not going to waste time here arguing with a ultranationalist naija like you who cannot reason. the supreme court of Kenya is totally indepent they nullyfied the elections on minor technicalities just to make a statement, Raila Odinga the opposition leader is now working with the govt, you sound like stupid slowpoke with 0% understanding of Kenya. niaja supreme court can never dare such a thing. Do you even have a supreme court worth mentioning?

rvp20182:
And who made you the internet police. This thread is thought-provoking & everyone is learning something I hope about the two countries - and if it was some lame thread- like Kenya is better than Nigeria is some things - then it would be as booring as you sound - and would die in the first page.

I'd love to see this thread get to 8,500 or more pages.

I find competing with a county like Nijeria to be boring to begin with.

kikuyu1:


Fakeness rules this thread! I was wondering why a newcomer has swallowed Dangoteland kpekus down to the tonsils!!
Gtfoh!

Such a simple minded rebuttal, I honestly thought you were smarter than this. I guess you are also overcompensatingly attacking me to prove you aren't me since that is what some were alleging kitambo.
Everyone knows Kenya is more structurally advanced than Nigeria (or I may add Tanzania since some here seem to be obsessed with mentioning that useless bongoland) but this are all shithole countries compared to East Asia and the west. We should be striving to compete with serious nations. Yes kenya compared to Naija is ahead in infrastructure and also in democratic institutions, but Nigeria is also ahead in other aspects like cultural conservatism. So childish to insist that Kenya is 100% better than everyone in everthing. This hyper-chest thumping bullshit is stupid. They won't admit they are wrong and so wont you and thus this will go on for another 87500 pages till a solar flare CME finally shuts down the internet.

obaaderemi:
One of them openly admitted to being gay here. That's the one we call the Kibera Walker. You must have seen him around. They have made great attempts here to tarnish Kenya's image. Another one was cheering England against Nigeria during Saturday's game. All because of this thread.

Such a silly thread, thought it would be down or atleast closed for discussion by now. This racket still doesnt have mods or what. Please can you and your naija friends just stop arguing with them, you've already made them make us look stupid, please oga ooh have mercy, please for me. Let them just spam photos and talk to themselves till they get tired then the thread dies.

obaaderemi:
I tell you they are so embarrassing even to other Africans who are not Kenyans. The sad thing is that they don't see their foolishness. When I read the part where they bragged to idolize whites I just shook my head. But I am sure they are not Nigerians.

This thread seriously needs to be removed, its just making things worse for Kenya's reputation. If these so called Kenyans are not trolling but actually serious about what they are saying then they are beyond foolish.
However, I will remind everyone again and again these people are the vocal minority if indeed they are even Kenyan in the 1st place. Please do not judge us Kenyans based on these unforgivable imbeciles.

The comments by so called Kenyans here are so embarrassing! I never thought I would actually see someone openly admit that they aspire to be white. WTF! Its like some of these "so-called Kenyans" are actually Nigerian trolls who are out to embarrass Kenyans.
Please mods just delete this FCKING thread, I beg you! PLEASE!

gallivant:


You are not Kenyan, your country is Tanzania. I am smart, I know.

Why aren't you posting Ulole's Facebook account. You came here so confident to expose now you look so stupid repeating yourself with nothing to prove. What straw are you going to clutch next?
You are so fcking simple. Instead of using your brain to effectively counter arguments about our nation's degrading culture and society you insist on the lazy route and focus on silly detraction. So goddamn lazy. All you militants do is brainlessly throw stones at anyone who differs from the tano tena propaganda trying to impress a bunch of Nigerians.
You think I only have critisism for Kenya only, nigga all African countries are fcking pathetic and arbitrary including Tz.
In this world there are Nation States and there are arbitrary States. Japan, Austria, South Korea are Nation States that preserve their culture and identity, African countries are made up of antagonistic nations ruled by corrupt state power.
Take your low standards and shove them up your ass coz I am not going to bembeleza you by sinking to your comfort and acceptance of national mediocrity.
Don't bother replying bcoz I won't. I know your type. Going back and forth like a record. So boring. I will leave you ojingas in peace now. Let the copy pasting of hotels and swimming pools continue in earnest, sitawasumbua tena, you aren't worth the effort and time.

gallivant:


Geza Ulole you are grown man, I have screenshots of your Facebook account! Keep it up and we will neuter you like in skyscrapercity.

Bruh, that Tanzanian skycrappercity dude must have really hurt you. Please post that Facebook account I want to see who this Ulole guy that triggered you guys is.
Hehehe I don't have a Facebook or skrycrapper account but whatever, you are a broken record that must repeat himself over and over again, please feel free to believe what you want at this point.
So Mr.Ojingabot please show us his Facebook, I am very eager to see. Anika jamaa hapa chapchap natakakulala.

You really are very smart.

TayserMahiri:


How old are you? Either you are too young or too old.

Quite the intelligent reply.
Do you listen to yourself before you speak or you just like the sound of your voice. Watu wengine baana.

TayserMahiri:


Drown your sorrows in peace old man. Life is short

I am willing to bet with extreme confidence 100k I am younger than you. I am willing to bet that on Mpesa. 100k cash. Take it or leave it.
For mental toddlers like you, even a 9 year old would make you feel like you were the younger one.

mtis:

Ok Ok Kanyanya am now totally impressed..little homie ya hang out around Nairobi West ..but serious can you proof ya a Kenyan..I gt some peeps from many places an every one can claim the Kenyan thingy..

How can I do that, I would have to show my national ID and name. Whatever mane, if you want to or not want to believe me in sawa, I am too wakaad right now to care. I need to drive home.
Bye.

gallivant:


You not Kenyan. Stop living a lie. If you want to be Kenyan just apply in the ministry like everyone else.

Wow! You are so smart. You got me.



NKT..Meff.

Interesting

mtis:


Dude ya not a Kenyan...have checked ya posts an gt this childish anger towards everything Kenyan..Dude just go a fry beans if ya can an stop mentioning me..

1. I didn't mention you. I guess you automatically knew your infantile stupidity is what we were discussing.
2. I am tired of going back and forth with you ugly nyangaus and your ad hominen diversions. I am putting an end to this. Yes, I am 100% Kenyan I am currently in Nairobi West drinking beers. Tunateremusha tanye baridi mbaya. It is exactly 8:30pm Nairobi time as I post this. Meffi!
If it was daytime I would have posted clear pictures.
3.You are the one who isn't Kenyan. You talked about today being cloudy and expecting showers when it was the hottest day of the month. You probably googled nairobi weather forecast silly child.Fcking post pictures of proof you are Kenyan.
4.Not every Kenyan has to share your naive false national pride to be a Kenyan. What you have is low standards that makes you excited about mediocrity

uzzolik:

USA is building the roads you are showing?

These guys are so embarrassing with their childish excitement. He is so proud about some american road project and the US embassy.
I thought he was going to quote something mind blowing.

Follygunners:


With all ur ugly-looking pple, so? Abeg, get out of here joo!

Hati13:

I agree. Sometimes I get angry when scientists explain things. For example, the detail they explain things that happen millions and billions years ago as if they saw it.

Please refrain from needlessly attacking science like this. Scientists observe younger galaxies and stars to determine what happened to our galaxy and sun millions and billions of years ago. They use carbon dating and fossils when it comes to earth's early history.

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Hati13:

I agree on your first paragraph, but some of those territories were part of Ethiopia in ancient and medieval times, were just re-united. Actually Ethiopia had a plan to expand further (even into interior Kenya). Here are some of the statements from emperor Menelik II letter to Queen Victoria,
"If God graciously grants me life and strength, to re-establish the ancient frontiers of Ethiopia as far as Khartoum and Lake Nyanza (Lake Victoria), with all the Galla (Oromo). If powers at a distance (Europeans) come forward to partition Africa between themselves, I do not intend to be an indifferent spectator."

Why should past Ethiopian rulers make Oromo the national language when most Ethiopians were speaking Amaregn? Oromo only largely came to Ethiopia in 16th century. They then laid waste to Ethiopia between 16th and 19th century.

Eritrea has relatively good relations with Arab than any other. I think this is the reason why they quit OAU and joined Arab League.

I have heard many speak this way about Oromos, so do you still want to share a nation with Oromos today?

Hati13:

What makes Ethiopia a fake nation? It was primarily built by Ethiopians themselves.

Okay forgive my language there, I will admit I was 50/50 about including Ethiopia. The problem with ethio is that the old empire overextended into nilotic and somali territory mostly as a deterrence to European expansion.
Plus the language problem? If your earlier leaders had the foresight Oromo should have been the national language. Would have been better for national cohesion.
You guys are too ethno-nationalistic.
Rember Eritrea was the first nation to manage to break away from OAU mandates and restrictions.

gallivant:
He should keep his frustrations in that communist backwater that is Tanzania.

You really are a soft-skulled mental toddler. If I was a Tanzanian who hates Kenya why would I defend Kenyans by repeatedly emphasizing you are the vocal minority. Shouldn't I be saying we all think like you morons.
Your ugali brain saw the word communist and the only thing your rotting neurotransmitters could think of is Tanzania.
Instead of responding to my ethering of your stupid ideology, you scatter around here like a cheeky scared mouse engaging in ad hominem and theorizing who I am.
How many Tanzanians even speak English anyway?
Kĩhĩĩ gĩkĩ, tiga wana!

Gossiping about me like saloon hairstylists bado. I have been called a Nigerian, chokora, NRM ojinga, a Nazi, now I am a Tanzanian, what's next illuminati? I think I am done with this thread. Bye. Keep your focus on me trying to figure who I am and ignore Kenya's deep problems. Burry those empty ugali heads under the sand fellas, what else are ostriches good for anyway.

Some nobody with no debating skills mentioning me to virtue signal his imagined moral superiority telling me I am special as if me posting on a forum is more shockingly special than Kenyans burning alive people of opposing tribe in a church. If you can not argue with the points directly do not mention me sideways to indicate to others how politically correct you are.
I will remind you that the only reason Kenya has lasted this long is because of Pax Americana. Otherwise 90% of fake African states starting with Nigeria, Ethiopia and Kenya would have long broken up. If you are too naive to see this because of your najivunia blinkers too bad. Sitawabembeleza. Whether you like it or not in 15-20 years USA will not be able to police the world and maintain the international status quo. The slate will be wiped clean again.

Amarabae:

Crap.
Allow ur own culture to flourish first before allowing another person own to flourish.

Exactly, first you let your culture thrive before you allow others in. Every developed nation state went through a period of isolation before opening up.
If you open up too early, especially to people from the West, the more organized culture of the guests will overwhelm and diminish the hosts still maturing culture.

I love this federal system of Nigeria. All the states should take charge of their defense, economy, health and most importantly culture and language! Kudos to Lagos govt.

GERALD710:

1.Swahili here
2.Mombasa is on the railway.
3 The people of Central Kenya can hardly be described as liberal .After all the religious establishments are practically stuffed with them and have been so since the colonial era.Same to the Rift Valley.Rachel Ruto is no liberal.Central Kenya has never been liberal.The Swahili coast is more liberal than the Victorians that inhabit Nyeri and Muranga counties especially.
4.Maasais consider themselves very Kenyan.On fact they have given us half the names on this country.
5.Some of the most avowed Secularists are Somalis from Northern Kenya. Ahmednassir,Issak Hassan and Yusuf Hajj are no conservatives.Neither is any Borana or Gabbra leader from Marsabit!!!.
6.What we need is a moderate revolution .Conservatism is dead.Liberalism is Communism rebranded.
You are a neo nazi in disguise.

Finally someone I can have a proper debate with. Sasa mjadala kweli ianze. Nilikuwa ninacheza cheza na wale vifaranga tu.

1. Neo-nazi? Not every anti-communist in the conservative Right is a Nazi. My God, this Nazi label is thrown at anyone who is against cultural-marxist propaganda.

2. So if you have written off conservativism and liberalism what direction will this moderate revolution take. At least you admit the status quo cannot be allowed to continue but will moderation be enough to counteract the massive efforts of ultra-leftist NGOs and feminist organizations.

3. Yes Central is still conservative but I still consider the Swahili to be more conservative. The Edwardians of Kiambu alone cancel out all the Victorian efforts of Muranga and Nyeri.

4. You seem to be focusing only on the religious-secular dynamic. I am also talking about how much effort communities put in preserving their traditional values, traditional poetry, music art, morality, family values, gender roles etc Look at how much your Swahili value their poets. You people are so much more cultured and self-aware wacha kujifanya.

5. Come on mtu wangu northern pastoral counties are extremely conservative. Our media always refer to Marsabit, Isiolo and Samburu as conservative counties before they start any article, the word conservative has become synonymous with those counties. Somali counties you know very well are ultraconservative, are we really going to go there bruv. You only mentioned secular somali individuals. This is not about individuals.

6. There are towns and places with Maasai names....is that the best argument you could use? Those names are nothing but a painful reminder of how much land they have lost. Its not like they gave us those names as loving gifts. During the shifta wars there were also many places and towns with Somali names.
You just can't deny everything I say just for the sake of arguing.

Still writing 6 point paragraphs about me after promising to ignore me.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2146#/forums/2150

Visitors of this thread need not waste their time, just go straight to the source.

gallivant:


I am defending common sense and reality you dimwit. We live in a globalized world, you think Kikuyu, Luo, Kamba, Luhya,Kalenjin, Kisii, Maasai, Mijikenda or Somali Kenyan with a partly two million population each will dictate the course of the global Economy, Politics and Finances in the next decade? F@k$king dimwit! I am sure your Kenyan mother taught you better. What a shame of a Kenyan!!

Mental toddler, ofcourse you didn't understand what Ngugi and I was saying. Who said anything about replacing English on the global stage. You argue like an infant about obvious things. Croatian, Czech, Norwegian are also spoken by few people. Tiny European nations still use their native tongues as languages of instruction in university and government even if English is the global language.
Icelandic is spoken by only 300k people, yet they can write a book on the theory of General Relativity in their language, Kikuyu is spoken by 9.5 million people yet somehow it is not worthy of the same respect. I can't believe you are actually fighting against the preservation and uplifting of your ancestral language. Yani you are fine with english being used in African schools and courtrooms indefinitely. Do you also support supreme court judges wearing those humiliating wigs. You disgust me.
I didn't know you people were actually this lost, so f*cking embarrassing. A lot of you sound like rootless mixed race people.

Africa has a long way to go. We will never advance with such inferiority-complexed people.

Nigerians and Africans reading this I hope you understand these people are the vocal minority. We are not this pathetic.

Hmmm... So telling people they look like luos is some sort of come back. Poor luos. Hahaha! You don't even realize you are making a fool of yourself.

So pathetic.

mtis:

Village boy go snip glue or tobacco if ya can..You know nothing about me ..About your so called tribe is it your mama nigga ??....Stop pretending like ya represent anyone here punk...Go waste ya bundles on something useful....

Yawn still making fun of unfortunate homeless children because that's what you read others here say. Get creative buda and keep the word kikuyu out of your ugly mouth next time.