Crossroad1:
Nothing stops a pastor from being an entrepreneur..
In fact, it seems entrepreneur are tailored for them cos they will enough time to focus..

Faith without work is a dead faith...
If I happens to be a pastor, I will go into large scale farming.. You can even take a loan from the church or they aid you..
The proceed can be used to feed needy church member and take care of your family conveniently....
When you make your money, other people's money no go enter your eye and you will be proud of yourself

Which Church will give you loan, the LFC I attend or the one in Krypton? If you ever decide to go into full time Ministry hoping a Church will aid you or loan you for a business do not choose LFC. It is a full time job, the faith work done is the seeking of the kingdom of God and righteousness and every other thing is to be added unto them. Matt 6.33 is our anchor scripture since 2015.

I am not agreeing or disagreeing with the original post, I am only countering your submission on load, aid and faith without works. The Pastors on salary are the full time ones and in a branch they usually one or two of such unless the head quarters.

signz:


My guess is your Cousin isn't from the South West?

Not like I am encouraging your agenda Lol but I will state the truth. He is actually not but he is from the South South, Delta State to be precise

I attend the Church and I am not here to agree or disagree but point out some misinformation.

1. First of all full time Pastors are not permitted to have another job, yes some of them do side businesses and cash out but one of the oath taken was to give full attention to it

2. Pastoring in a Ministry like Winners transcends beyond the sunday mornings and few evenings you stated. You are having a laugh if you feel it starts and ends with just coming to the pulpit to preach.
Knowing a man like Bishop Oyedepo, you feel he will put anyone on full time salary if all they do is just come twice a week to speak for 45mins?

3. They are expected to report full time in the office from 5.30am when convenant hours of prayer starts till evening (so much for farming)

4. You seem to forget occassions like the 21 days annual prayer and fasting where for 21 days straight there are engaging all day, which farmer leaves their farmland for 3 weeks

5. You seem to forget 95% of them are family men with children, who within 3 years some even 1 or 2are whipped up from a particular location and sent to another. New rentage, school fees for new school, wife can only do a business (better off not getting a store, probably mobile kind)because of the moving around. The church only pays 50% of the rentage of the first year you move to a new place. The others are your problem

6. For smaller especially rural churches, RF decided by Area Pastor might not be able to cater the needs, any additional needs come from your pocket. Depends on the location and district, the politics going on there can frustrate you.

7. Your congregational numbers are used to guage whether or not full time security is allowed. If it is a small church, full time security comes from your pocket. If you have none and you get robbed, replacement comes from your own pocket

8. My cousin was in a war torn area in Cameroon in 2018 due to heavy politics received no help from the district. He was not transferred for years, due to heavy politics, some pastors were transferred. He was living in lack, my dad here in Nigeria catered to him and his family

9. This is a crucial point, unless you are a pastor, you are not in a place to determine whether or not the salary is enough unless it is coming from a point that is not triggered by 'pre-conceived assumption' of wearing suit, coming to pulpit just twice a week, so everything is rosy and easy. You think running a big Ministry like LFC which is in sync to a large extent is a child's play?. The ministry is a wealthy one, this is a fact but that does not translate to wealthy Pastors. My former work place, company was rich, my bosses had houses in Washington DC but I a senior employee was living in peanuts. I thank Jesus everyday from taking me out of there.

Happy Sunday

tiniyata: come to think of it, if women were equal to men, why then do men pay bride price (buy women) why do women rarely ask men out, why do women open their legs to be fukked, why do women carry whats given to them( pregnancy) why do women always make up (so as to sell their market), why are women lazy naturally, why are women shorter than men, why do they ask men to kiss their bride(and not the other way round) why do women women have curves(cos they are a piece of work to be bought) why do women get old easily, why do women have menopause , why do women answer their husband/ fathers name (why not sarah natasha)why were women created from men why , why, why ? ?, the list is endless............women are the second best on earth, its not that they are not needed, women are wonderful piece of work created by God to help a man (serve)and not to be the master. I love women and i love my baby cos she respects me alot and would not want to be my master unlike some ill-bred divorcees and no good dumpee's here who want to spoil the minds of unsuspecting spinsters here on NL

Your mentality actually frightens me. So you feel bride price is actually buying a woman? a human being bought? men ask women out because it is culturally. Open legs to be fukked? dude really? I pity any woman or girl who have a sexual intercourse with you because to you is about domination not pleasure or making of love between two people to quench their primal desires, where is she suppose to open her ears? so don't you know the difference between different and unequal. Pregnancy? do you forget you came from a woman, so women being pregnant is inferiority right? your mum will be so proud of you, she should have aborted your ass oor swallowed you during a Mouth Action.A woman carrying and bringing forth a life is why she is special and unique in some religions because of that aspect the even see them as superior because that give, the role of bringing a life and nurturing it but some religions see it as her being inferior because I don't know when pregnancy is now seen as a curse knowing both male and female result from it. Make up? its a feminine doing, you want to confuse beauty for equality, so you mother and sisters sell market? why are women shorter than men? idiot they are different between what do you have to say about some short men who some women aRE taller than. They tell men kiss your bride because it is cultural, a man invented it. Why do women have curves? why do men have balls? because they were created that way. It is feminine nature, so your mom is a piece of work to be bought? where was she displayed ebay or amazon or na yaba market. She should have swallowed mehn, woman who went through hell for you, this is what you think of her and people like her. Menopause is nature intended daft fool, women answer their dad's name because it is a culture men invented, you heard of the word 'patriachy' yes that's y male are favoured, a cultural system invented by men for men. No way you don't love your baby or woman or subhuman whatever you call her because if you did you wuldn't degrade and condemn her biological functions as if it is a curse or dirty to be rejected functions because that is what makes her who she is 'woman' you should appreciate her but since women's function are rubbish and men are the superior, men should Bleep themselves, go use your anus

My fellow woman they are lots of things I have to say but if I do its going to turn into a book. I will give you just one advice build up your self esteem naw? he was raised by a woman and sees women like this? Please get a divorce as for the rest people on this trend esp Nigerians with archaic mentality yes I said divorce, pack your things and leave. Its only when she is six feet under the ground before they will call her stupid for not leaving. The man is a misogynist in the western world such person is seen as a psycho path in Nigerian he is blah blah because of the believe that women are properties who should forever be subservient and biologically degraded. She is a human being and the last time I checked we were advise to treat humanity with fear and respect. She is a human lord, leave him, divorce him and deny him sex before taking that step. You being abused both physically, mentally and verbally. This crimes are very serious but in our archaic culture that women should be with her man till she is six feet under the ground. Where marriage is judged based on quantity instead quality, she has a right to her body he doesn't own her, if she said no to anal sex then it should be it. I can confidently say most Nigerian women are unhappy in their marriages because they have been placed inferior positions from their husband to their so called in-laws. Well if I was in that position please don't take my advice because I'm an extremist so only 'REAL MEN' with self esteem, who respects women and see her as his partner and not his inferior, who knows a woman's worth is allowed in my zone. If I was in that condition, I will tie him up with help take a huge Love Machine or vibrator ans shove it in his anus while his mouth is tied up facing me while he watches me pack my things leaving him while someone help me thrust in and out of him. After which I'll take the Love Machine from his ass make sure it gapes well, then when I have drove far away to where I intend to go, I will make my assistance call up his friend or family to go check on him. When I'm back on my feet with my self esteem in tact I will return for a divorce and I must fight for my right as woman an individual with brains and the right to opinions and decisions of my life. In your case just leave him because you love him and can't treat him thi way, me I can treat anyone that hurt me badly this way.[color=#006600][/color]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lPQZni7I18,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nr8hPnZfMU.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6M5C-oKw9k&ob=av2e,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKj5MWHTInY&ob=av3e,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCUiGArhW2M&ob=av2e.

Plix you people shud watch these videos o, in one of the videos beyonce was saying how she will split the bills with Jay z and compliment his swag, that is a boss chick speaking. He has to take care of my needs, says who doesn't he have his own needs to take care of, why don't you do yours so he will do his to balance the equation.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBmMU_iwe6U&ob=av2e
In that run the world video, Beyonce clearly stated that this goes out to all my girls, who are in the club rocking the latest, who will buy it for themselves and get more money later. She said boy you know you love it how will smart enof to make this millions, strong enof to bear the children and get back to business. Please if you don't do any or not working towards such quality pls don't sing the song it is not for you.

I was even ashamed when I saw one of my 9ja sisters, who went about putting pictures of asses and bosom saying you must have one of these to run the world, it seems she didn't listen to the lyrics well, here is the link below

http://talkanyhow..com/search?updated-max=2011-06-09T15%3A58%3A00-07%3A00&max-results=7

"Forget Beyonce about " Girls, we run this world",  If a girl ain't got no arse or bosoms,  Take a chair, sit down and chill mate coz with out thy weapons, it is impossible to Run the world!!,  LOOOOL,  How ever i wonder what rules more,  Arse or bosoms ,  Mmmm,  "

those were the words of the dumb b**ch, I was like wow, in this 21st century?. I'm a girl (Nigerian) and I think we should learn to be more independent because it brings about respect. I mean which guy won't prefer a girl who put chips on the table to a girl who only takes chips from the table? if you meet a man like that who prefers you only taking then just know he wants to own you. You will be stuck because you aint got your own and he will go and carry Unilag chicks while you stay fat in da house, cleaning/cooking, taking care of the kids, spending his cash and making aproko or joining a meeting where by full time housewives gather together to spend their husbands money on the latest lace, calling themselves women of substance, I'm like women of wtf? It is called busy doing nothing women, spending their husbands money. Using the money as consolation while he goes out and flex with some University girls who calls themselves runs girls and I'm like run wtf, Y'all are hoes, shameless whores, sleeping with people's husbands, no self-esteem/respect. Some are even proud of calling themselves runs girls  , some are even proud that their bf's are fraudulent stars just because they don't want to make their own money . They will get married too and the same will be done to them, Karma is a b**ch

@baby-boy there is the list so pick the ones apart from Titanic that has unclothed scene

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films. Please handpick if possible leg pick the ones that has the sex scenes. I'm not talking about awards I'm talking about best selling/gross selling movies. Pick them maybe I'm blind

@baby-boy did you see Troy and Pretty Woman among the list or are you blind?? Those list are the best selling movies of all times not 80's or 90's shit.

@tom28 Halle Berry sleeps with Wesley Snipes to get roles? lmfao. Is that what she told you?. You have no idea how Hollywood works, do you think it is Nollywood you see Tonto dike in 15 movies at once. When last did you see the people you mentioned in a movie, Halle berry, Sharon Stone, Eva Mendes and Sylvester in a movie?. They audition to get roles, they don't throw roles because you are famous or because you have been in movies. The movie Thor, the people who auditioned for the role was 23,000 on the dot and the auditions took place exactly 7 months. Chris Hemsworth who got the role for thor was sent home exactly four months before he was called back to re-audition for another 3months. If you go to Hollywood to audition for even a very minor role, you are going to cry. What we Nigerians call waka-pass role but don't be surprise to see yourself auditioning for it for 5months. The girl in slum-dog millionaire said she auditioned for the movie for 10months before she got the role that she almost gave up. The girl in true grit said she auditioned for 6months I can go on forever.

As for those people talking about sex in Hollywood, those movies you people mention are not on the list of the best selling/gross selling movies of all times. Hollywood doesn't need sex to sell and if Nollywood think they are copying them they are the dumbest people in this life which I think they actually are. Some of the best selling movies are Avatar, Pirates of the Caribbean, Harry potter, lord of the rings, Alice in the wonderland, Shrek, Toy story, Extra terrestrial, Ice-age, Chronicles of Narnia, Kung fu panda, Inception, Chronicles of Narnia, Twilight,


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films


That is the link under and I can't recall which one has a sex scene, I have watched them all and most of them are animated movies. Animated movies even sell more than those sex movies.


Here is a link for the animation despicable me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Despicable_Me
Here is a link for monsters ball http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster's_Ball

Check which one made more money, and despicable me just came out last year. Another example

Here is the link for original sin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Original_Sin_(film)
Here is the link for Rio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_(film)

Check which one grossed out more.

Please when Nollywood do stupid things don't point it out to Hollywood, there are just plain stupid. Nigerian movie can be shot within 1 month while some Hollywood movies take 18months to do. The thing is that Fictional Movies sell more than Non-fiction, no-one is interested in our everyday life. Just look at the sales of Harry potter, all the Harry potters are there. Nollywood can't act fictional movies because they probably don't have the technology or so. Nollywood movies are so stupid, I can't even stand the soundtrack. All those sex movies they don't generate much because it has age restriction. Everybody watched Shrek, Lion King, Madagascar, Kung fu panda. Sex movies like monster ball has nothing on animation because the whole household go there to watch it in the cinema and in monster ball case only adult may watch and children who sneak to watch, watch it free on-line. Steven Spielberg doesn't include sex scenes in 98% of his movies that is if not 100%. I haven't watched the ones he produced/directed in the 60's and he is one of the most successful movie producers in the world and he is the founder of dream works animation and animation movies brings alot of money.


The thing is that Tonto Dike, Muna, the directors, producers and the rest of the crew are stupid people. Hollywood ko, American wood ni, they ain't got nothing on them. Just re-watched Lord of the rings, now that is what you call a movie. Are those ones acting movie? they should go and watch Lord of the rings, Fellowship of the ring or probably they should go and watch Toy story3, lol

, lol

http://www.tmz.com/2010/06/14/ryan-seacrests-stalker-chidi-uzomah-sentenced-prison-e/

Those of you bashing Nigerian women, is this not a Nigerian man stalking Ryan Seacrest. Ibo man

@LoveKing tnx dear

Y'all want to ruin her reputation, dt aint Katy Perry ooo, ask d douchebag where he got dt pickcha frm?

Wot sort of question is dis, 2face wen be like mallam. U na suppose to dey compare 2face and yar'adua. Stupid pple, take a look at Usher's body. Dnt u like d well built body, 2face wen be like person wen nova eat 4 3daiz. U knw d country of d blind man, d guy wiv one eye is dier king. Y'all are in Nigeria saying 2face is cute, u guys shud come to the states and see guys. 2Face hot ke fire ni, nonsense of d highest level.

Wot kind of stupid question is dis they are suppose to be comparing Genevieve and Ini Edo then Halle Berry and Vannesa Williams. Who the Bleep is Genevieve compared to Halle Berry, those who brought up the topic are all bunch of jerks *kmt*

Here is another picture

Beyonce is far more beautiful than Kim Kardashian. Kim K is all plastic and she makes up a lot. The way Kim Kardashian makes up is far from other celebrities, on E! they were even dicussing and asking her why she takes make up very seriously. Here is a link on youtube and check the difference btwn Beyonce as a baby and beyonce as an adult
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVnfofnOJQA. Kim had a butt job, nose job, hip job and added flesh to some past of her body. Here is her pic before the surgery