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decepticos: now dats nice anyway what's up with naruto

Feraz: I'll leave you with another fact in Naruto which later turned out false. When Madara was ETd, was it not Kabuto that said and I quote 'We were right. What comes naturally after the sharingan is the rinnegan. This is the hypothesis Orochimaru-sama and I made'. Then Madara said, 'how did you without the sharingan or an Uchiha discover the secrets on the stone tablet?'

Now, didn't Madara and Kabuto take that as a fact? Was it not later in the series that it was discovered that he wouldn't have had the rinnegan if he didn't take a Senju's DNA; not just any Senju but Hashirama Senju who was later known as a transmigrant of the Sage's son - Ashura?

Another fact that was later proven wrong and made an assumption on our paths and Madara's was the issue of white Zetsus. Wasn't it Madara that stated it as a fact that they were cultivated from Hashirama's power, they are failed experiments and also inferior and pale in comparison to Hashirama? What did we later discover? That Madara was infact wrong. The white Zetsus were the previous shinobis who were under the infinite tsukuyomi and they turned out that way cos they have been under it for long before they were sealed away by Hagoromo and his brother.

There are still many more but I think these two should do. All I'm saying is we rarely make assumptions here in Naruto when we know it was first stated as facts until most were proven wrong.

5. One of the senseis made that fact on the maximum being three but it was proven wrong.

1. I'm sorry. I can't provide it for you. I wish I could.

2. Jiraiya thought it was a myth until he saw Nagato with the rinnegan and concluded that the sage reincarnated in him hence why he first thought Nagato was the prophesy child till he later realised at the time of his death that Naruto was.

3. Nope. Apart from it being a force of hatred, it was stated there that the bijuus were natural occurrence and disasters and the worst calamity that can befall the shinobi world.

4. It was generally taken as a fact in the Naruto world that the way to stop ET was to seal the resurrected soul.


I wish I wasn't posting from my C5 but a laptop. Posting with mobile phones generally is tiring whether touchscreen or keypad phones.

Tosyn007: He did, his resurrection paved the way to many things. And it was part of his own plan to be brought back to life

Tosyn007: How can you say someone that died won a fight? If his exeprience really did count, why didn't he outrightly kill Orochimaru? You arms are gonna leave you with the way you're reaching hommie..the 2 zombies he fought are not up to full strength, I. Even think they had half of it if you compare the way they fought in the war arc to this one. Konohamaru defeated a pain path, why? Who had more experience. Kakuzu lost to kids despite his eons of experience. Deidara vs Gaara, you can't outrightly say one has more experience than the other, I'd just say Deidara was more cunny using the village under them as leverage.

Tosyn007: How can you say someone that died won a fight? If his exeprience really did count, why didn't he outrightly kill Orochimaru? You arms are gonna leave you with the way you're reaching hommie..the 2 zombies he fought are not up to full strength, I. Even think they had half of it if you compare the way they fought in the war arc to this one. Konohamaru defeated a pain path, why? Who had more experience. Kakuzu lost to kids despite his eons of experience. Deidara vs Gaara, you can't outrightly say one has more experience than the other, I'd just say Deidara was more cunny using the village under them as leverage.

Tosyn007: Good to have you back then...hope your legs aint broken yet?

Tosyn007: Typically you misinterpreted...

Tosyn007: I can attest to this,,I'll get the manga page when I have time

Tosyn007: Cos Sarutobi said what he said when he was up against a human doesn't the same will apply to Minato that's up against a chakra entity. Then I ask you guys what happens when Minato eventually takes away Kurama's chakra, no one has been able to answer.

Tosyn007: Please think again and answer this question, Is Neji really more powerful than Naruto? Hidan? You really should have picked a better person. That guy is a nuisance who got careless cos he's immortal. Something Sasuke would never do.

Feraz: Which power were you expecting him to show? He wasn't a jinchuuriki anymore so there was no way he could show that power.

Or do you mind explaining your question very well and the power you're talking about? Maybe I didn't get it. . . . .

Feraz: Djtm, let's go through the above again and manga examples will be stated as to why we all assumed the above, nt because we wanted to assume, but because they were previously stated as facts in the manga. . .

1. Sasuke thought so until he saw Itachi's eye when the police came to question him making we the users take it as fact cos Sasuke took it as a fact. Heck, if not for Itachi, would he have known that there was what was called EMS? It was taken as a fact until Itachi opened both Sasuke's and our eyes on our wrong assumptions.

2. Jiraiya took it as a fact that Nagato was born with the rinnegan making we the viewers take it as a fact until Madara and Zetsu proved otherwise.

3. When Naruto was told about the kyuubi being inside him, did we and the shinobi world know as at then that it was part of an entity - the juubi? Even in the ninja world, it was a fact that there were nine bijuus until Obito told them the history of all. Were we wrong to take that as a fact also?

4. When the war started, wasn't it taken as a fact that the only way to stop the zombies was by sealing them till Madara proved otherwise by weaving some hand seals and cancelling the contract? Did Itachi know that you could break the contract? Did Kabuto know that Madara could break the contract without him? It was taken as a fact by Itachi that Kabuto was the only solution to stopping the zombies which sadly he was partially right.

5. When Kakashi/Iruka/Yamato (can't remember who) was teaching the previous team 7 (minus Yamato), was it not stated as a fact that the highest a ninja could have was three (even the three was rare and nope, I'm not confusing it with kekkei touta)? How come about 5 people proved that wrong? Kakashi, Kakuzu, Hizuren, Nagato etc?

Djtm: These assumptions were made by the viewers. Fighting till eternity was not an assumption made by us.it was a bloody rule. It means the sealer and the sealed will be affected by some sort of "jazz" that'll make them fight for ever.

WackyJ1: First of all the difference between the eternal mangeykyo sharingan and the normal one is that the eternal mangeykyo never gets sealed and you acquire the powers of the eyes that were transplanted into yours finish. , Sasuke still bleeds from the eyes when he wants to use amaterasu. There is no other benefit of the eternal mangeykyo apart from those I mentioned.

Second of all, Kamui is a mangeykyo sharingan technique whether you like it or not, it is not to be underestimated and as the rules go, the more you use a mangeykyo sharingan technique, the more your eyes get sealed. The only thing you can then say about Obito's mangeykyo is that it doesn't get sealed the way others do, it is very reusable why? I don't know.

Thirdly, Kakashi is a Juunin level Ninja, Kakashi has been using the sharingan for longer than Sasuke lifetime. He has been copying techniques and understanding one half of Obito's sharingan for more than 10 years. You don't spoon feed a ninja of his love the way you'd spoonfeed other younger or recent Juunins talk less of chuunins and genins.
Kakashi saw that Obito's sharingan was similar to his and from there he was able to use his Kamui close range for the first time on himself. He saw and he adapted. He has been exposed to madara's Susano, itachi 's susanoo and Sasuke's susanoo. Sasuke with two eyes was able to give his already perfect susanoo legs just because he saw it was possible from madara's susanoo. How much less Kakashi, the No 1 copy ninja, it is not that day he got the sharingan, no body told Sasuke how to awaken susanoo. He just did it. Unlike Sasuke when he first awoke his own, Kas Kashi has seen many perfect susanoos.

You want his own to be hatred motivated? I don't think so, he is not an Uchiha but the desire to protect his student is as much a driving force as necessary to prompt the bringing out of a perfect susanoos.

Like I said before, I don't know why you want Kakashi to first go through the different stages of the susanoo before it looks right to you. I dare say, you are a lazy reader.
Kakashi is not a small boy

WackyJ1: First of all the difference between the eternal mangeykyo sharingan and the normal one is that the eternal mangeykyo never gets sealed and you acquire the powers of the eyes that were transplanted into yours finish. , Sasuke still bleeds from the eyes when he wants to use amaterasu. There is no other benefit of the eternal mangeykyo apart from those I mentioned.

Second of all, Kamui is a mangeykyo sharingan technique whether you like it or not, it is not to be underestimated and as the rules go, the more you use a mangeykyo sharingan technique, the more your eyes get sealed. The only thing you can then say about Obito's mangeykyo is that it doesn't get sealed the way others do, it is very reusable why? I don't know.

Thirdly, Kakashi is a Juunin level Ninja, Kakashi has been using the sharingan for longer than Sasuke lifetime. He has been copying techniques and understanding one half of Obito's sharingan for more than 10 years. You don't spoon feed a ninja of his love the way you'd spoonfeed other younger or recent Juunins talk less of chuunins and genins.
Kakashi saw that Obito's sharingan was similar to his and from there he was able to use his Kamui close range for the first time on himself. He saw and he adapted. He has been exposed to madara's Susano, itachi 's susanoo and Sasuke's susanoo. Sasuke with two eyes was able to give his already perfect susanoo legs just because he saw it was possible from madara's susanoo. How much less Kakashi, the No 1 copy ninja, it is not that day he got the sharingan, no body told Sasuke how to awaken susanoo. He just did it. Unlike Sasuke when he first awoke his own, Kas Kashi has seen many perfect susanoos.

You want his own to be hatred motivated? I don't think so, he is not an Uchiha but the desire to protect his student is as much a driving force as necessary to prompt the bringing out of a perfect susanoos.

Like I said before, I don't know why you want Kakashi to first go through the different stages of the susanoo before it looks right to you. I dare say, you are a lazy reader.
Kakashi is not a small boy

Tosyn007: Oh! Like Jiraiya's experience helped him against Pain, Like it helped Orochimaru against Sasuke, like it helped Danzo against Sasuke, like it helped Sarutobi against Orochimaru. His experience will surely see him through his afterlife journey

Tosyn007: Oh! Like Jiraiya's experience helped him against Pain, Like it helped Orochimaru against Sasuke, like it helped Danzo against Sasuke, like it helped Sarutobi against Orochimaru. His experience will surely see him through his afterlife journey

Tosyn007: of course he has...with silence

Mutaino7: Who noticed that in hashi and maddy arc that m.s maddy neva used susano against maddy..and d first tym he used it was when he had transplanted izuna's eye..he used perfect susano with sword he didnt even undergo gradual transformation like sasgay's susano did against danzo...let me quote tobirama.. The power of sharingan comes 4rm d mind so d darker d mind base on the pain or loss it has experienced the more the power of the eyes.. Arspullers and their chief agressor feel free to counter i get ur tym today..

Mutaino7: 4 all those saying sasuke did what maddy cudnt do abeg stop.. Maddy did several chibaku tensei not even 9 sef when he wanted to do d infinite tsukiyomi.. Even sasuke had to fly up to start destroying them one by one.. Dat aside .. Maddy wit one eye sent all the tail beast flying in multiple direction and chained them in secs even with resistance and d all dat did even stop him 4rm sealing them... Note nagato never had d opportunity dat sasuke had (dats is..having all the tailed beasts present in one place at a tym) he had to hunt 4 them with their jin sef who offered resistance all d tym when challenged.. Even d all mighty kurama was powerless againt maddy sharingan talkless of a rinne-sharingan..we all know if the tailed beasts had their jin dat glance of a tin wudnt av worked.. And nagato approach wud av bin d best way.. Until sasuke fight all d tailed beasts with im eye close or with manipulating them and come out victorious like maddy then i can accept he is beta than maddy.. Abeg all sasgay fapboys sasgay no get sage mode oh.. Last but not d least hashi has atleast little knowledge of rinnegan abilities 4 more details check chapter 375 of the anime where he mentioned the technique maddy was using to control obito as rinne-tensei(dat nah person wey neva fight rinnegan user b4 oh).. E b lyk say dem gv kimco public holiday 4 village.. Kimco shey nah city u dhey now or service still continue.. D guy fit serve both brother and sisters land join.. Av fun bro

Tosyn007: LET THEM KNOW JARE...AND FROM MY COUNT, THE DEFENDERS ARE EVEN MORE THAN THE ATTACKERS.

Feraz: Haba! It's a well known fact that EMS is needed to have a perfect susanoõ until Kakashi/Obito broke that trend. If it wasn't needed, Itachi/Izuna would have had theirs for quite a while before going partially blind/dead.

Then again, you may be right because the perfect susanoõ of the Uchihas didn't come to be perfect due to the fact that they usually go blind after prolonged use of their MS so that may be one of the reasons why we attribute the perfect susanoõ to the EMS (since we know the eye can never go blind or lose its light no matter how long it is used). That may also be the reason why Kakashi was able to use the perfect susanoõ because he had a jinchuuriki's chakra to carry it and that jinchuuriki wasn't just a regular one; it was one that attained part of the power of the Sage himself (which to me looks like Obito can never go blind - an assumption on my part though).

pickabeau1: its seems the kishiyomi is strong...

The disenchantment of the previous week is worn off and serious defense of the kishimess continues


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Mutaino7: where was it stated dat ems is needed 4 perfect susano..manga evidence or canon fact..

Feraz: But you left out the fact that over times in the series, that most statements have been assumptions and have been countered several times. Cases study -
1. It was generally thought that there was no other upgrade for the sharingan until we saw the MS and EMS.
2. It was assumed that Nagato was born with the rinnegan until it was proven otherwise.
3. It was assumed that the tailed beasts from one to nine were natural occurrence until we heard of the juubi.
4. It was assumed that sealing a soul was the only way to stop the ET until Itachi proved it to be otherwise (yeah, I know some will argue this).
5. It was assumed that the highest number of elemental jutsus a shinobi could use was about 3 until Kakashi, Kakuzu and Hizuren proved otherwise.

What am I saying in essence? All I'm saying is that even though we thought that souls sealed within the shinigami cannot be released, Orochimaru proved otherwise by researching the above fact, and countered it by becoming one himself in order to release his arms and also release the previous four hokages.

Bottomline - most times, we work with the wrong assumptions until it's proven otherwise.

rapmike: Kimco, you can do better. You know what i am dealing with. You know the powers of rinnegan and the sage abilities. You know what Sasuke currently holds and yet you still come and say that Hashirama will defeat him because Hashirama has some power and experience. And then you go ahead and make lame examples( or almost lame) of people that won with experience, like hidan( who naormally should have more experience and power) losing to Shikamaru and Kisame( Qho again should have equal experience or more) beating bee. If I say that is azspull, na attack una go attack.

Mind you, we aint saying that Sasuke will use one finger to defeat him, but with all he has(EMS,RINNEGAN,SAGE ABILITIES ANDHIS KIND OF SUSANO'O) he should be able to beat Hashirama. Dude will be a terrible loser if he can't do that.

Feraz: Haba Kimco! I thought I explained why Kakashi susanoõ was perfect? Welcome BTW!!!

Who are those saying there's nothing spectacular about Sasuke's chibaku tensei? The normal one we know is the production of a black sphere that acts as the centre of gravity but Sasuke's was different in that he used the bijuus as the COG. Sasuke was able to cast genjutsu on all at once...something Madara, Obito and Nagato couldn't do. Sasuke didn't even put the bijuus in full control as was seen when the kyuubi wanted to attack him; if they were in full control, the kyuubi wouldn't have had cause to ask Naruto for help, instead, he'd first attack them all. Please, even though we don't like Sasuke, he should be accorded with due respect.

As for Naruto and Nagato, it was obvious Nagato was already defeated when Naruto resisted his chakra rod control. Even Konan wouldn't have done much.

Then again, another thing I noticed is that all perfect susanoõs had their eye techniques as jutsus with the exception of Madara. Sasuke's could shoot amaterasu, Kakashi's could use kamui.

Graviton2: Okay. Look, I can't do this shit anymore. You've been posting duds all through today and leading me on a wild goose chase all day.

Post a working link supporting your ridiculous claim or accept defeat, apologize and get out of the thread for a month.

Graviton2: Still not working on UC and Dophin browsers. Do you have anything to say for yourself? Just post the correct link (if any) or admit your wrong and stop saving face!!


If I didn't know better, I would have reckoned this is a fourth excuse - providing a false link to throw pressure off you. I dey observe you. No escape for you. One week!

rapmike: You say its straw man argument, Yet you don't accept your own straw man argument about Hashirama.

Graviton2: Post it like that. We are not after the spoken words but the action therein. Shebi na you talk say Hiashi shoot chakra needle, use am kill somebody way dey far? He didn't use his mouth or words to do it, did he?