₦airaland Forum

anonimi:
Jobless leaders looters in a country of extreme poverty paupers and out of school children.

Is this rationalisation a Stockholm syndrome symptom

Whether Stockholm o , vaxholm or whatever syndrome that is ringing in your head. It’s up to you.

Being irresponsible on social media won’t change anything about the country.

lexy2014:
What exactly did he say that suggests "being emotional because of politics"?

Go and read what he posted.

Let’s me give a shot of he said before you do that,

He said the First Lady is stupid for having that kind of convoy……….

Dogalmighty17:
California is the 4th largest economy in the world. California is wealthier than all the countries in Africa combined. Yet the governor of California, Gavin Newsom's convoy is just 2 cars.

Nigeria, with its brain dead president and this woman that calls herself a pastor, leaders of a country that has to borrow to survive because of the terrible economic policies of the APC, has one of the largest presidential convoys on earth. Aisha Buhari never did something as stupid as this. What powers does the wife of the president have to be driven in such a large convoy?

Don’t be too emotional about things.

Fine all of us want better Nigeria that was damaged long ago but not by condemning everything you are well acquitted with.

When vip politicians are around like her husband are around for events, not only Lagos state governor will be in the convoy, neighboring states governors too will be in the convoy, so also other politicians too will be there with their convoys.

I dislike wastages but the truth must be told, let’s stop being emotional because of politics.

Chimookigwe:
Alawada of Oyo that uses 1 Amotekun pickup, his personal Gwagon, 2 lorries of beggars and 1 Amotekun car.

No mind that omo baba sala,

I wonder when Aalafin became king of Kings??

Amalekki:
Do your research and come back to correct yourself
You can get emotional but history is never about what soothes your ego and it is not about logic. It's about events and yes, Ooni and Ifes were chased out of Ife in 1881.

I am not emotional perhaps you are the one emotional here.

I repeat it ile-ife was never chased out by modakeke. God forbid!

quickly:
The title of Alaafin later was for a men like Sango who in those days were like Army General/ Leader of Warriors.

It’s like Ooni is president and Alaafin is Chief of Army.

Back then Alaafin was a strong man while Ooni was the throne of his grandfather.

I quite love your analogy, that is the reason why he gives the tittle of Aare onaKakanfo, which is like the military general and Ooni don’t even question that due to the analogy you just used.

It’s quite exhausting why some folks can’t use their heads to understand simple logic issues.

Amalekki:
Ife was unstable due to several forces at play. Oranmiyan the powerful warrior king left his most powerful offspring in Oyo to stabilize the house of commotion at Ife as leader. He was not Ooni, he was Olofin. His presence brought stability and he had no concern about the might of his house at Oyo.

Fathers can leave a throne completely in the hands of who they see as competent. The father of the current Ooni of Ife is alive.

About 150 years ago when Ooni of Ife and the people of Ife were chased out of Ife by Modakekes, Oranmiyan's offspring at Oyo got the Bashorun, now at Ibadan, to ensure the return of Ife people after almost 13 years in the nearby bushes.

They are still connected, Oranmiyan's most powerful offsprings from the days of his youth are the Oyos.

Not again!

Who told you this blatant lies abi is it from your imagination being an Oyo abi modakeke indigene.

I’m tired replying you and your Oyo folks

How dare modekeke that was accommodated after being displaced by fulanis and became wanderers in the forest. Was there fight between ife and modakeke? YES, when they wanted to over step their boundaries. But they never, never chase ife out.

What even happened is that their brothers in Oyo help them to fight ife in latest fights between the two that is when even Sunday Igboho also fought Ile-ife and believe you me no one not even all you Oyos can overcome ile-ife. Even Sunday Igboho and rest of them that supported Modakeke have come to begged and seek forgiveness.

oluwafon:
THIS IS THE CRUX OF THE MATTER !!!

I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD UNDERSTAND THE WHOLE ARGUMENT RESTS ON THIS POINT.

IFE REMAIN THE CRADLE OF THE YORUBA[b]. OYO MONARCHY REMAIN THE TOP MOST AMONGST THE FIRST CLASS.[/b]

CHIKENA.

Says who?

No dey whine yourself

The permanent chairman and the head of Traditional rulers council in the whole of Southern Nigeria is Ooni of Ife while in the whole Nigeria is His imperial majesty and Sultan of sokoto. Aalafin doesn’t even come close.

Know this and know peace.

chopnaira:
No. I am from Lagos. I only went to university in Osun state (OAU).

Great Ife!

I sight you.

tyinfinity:
Atiba was the first baale of ago oja

I am not really conversant with this history of how Atiba is the first baale of ago oja( which I think is the present Oyo) but you see there is a family house called Atiba in ile-ife and they have marks like that of Oyo even though original ife indigenes doesn’t have.

Can you pls expatiate more on this?

Morenikeji090:
I understand where you coming from... But it won't been seen that way... History make us known that alaafin of oyo throne is higher than oba of benin throne.. if u make research yourself my typing in Google first class obas in yourba land you will see it Yoruba..

Probably you goggled first class Obas in Yorubaland and not how traditional rulers are placed in Nigeria. For instance when Prince Charles, now king of England visited Nigeria, Aalafin couldn’t even make it to see him and take photographs of first class kings in Nigeria with him.

The reasons i don’t know because I thought he suppose to be there but right now the protocol says that Oba of Benin kingdom is regarded above Aalafin.

Check this picture below to see what I am saying.


https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTGdUWY_cRwFKRMLpkz0n9RaSz9Q7bcc_LF6A&usqp=CAU

Morenikeji090:
Oba of Benin is 3rd position coz Benin throne belong to Yoruba… oni of Ile ife and Alaafin of oyo are superior to him…

I don’t think so, presently the protocol is that Oba of Benin is ranked higher than the Aalafin traditionally.

Maybe because Oranmiyan founded Benin before Oyo.

After Ooni and Sultan who are the permanent co chairmen of Traditional ruler council of Nigeria the next is Oba of Benin. Though I stand to be corrected.

Peter Obi sef isn’t planning to run, he is going to vice Atiku , he is just deceiving his followers.

That is the reason why Datti baba-Ahmed isn’t happy with the coalition.

Biodun556:
Check what happened between Alaafin and Ooni in 1991, to know whether it was given and withdrawn or not

What happened in 1991?

Please educate yourself and stop being ignorant.

The case you are referring was never even withdrawn even after Aalafin cried to the then military sole administrator.

seunmsg:
Please stop the misinformation. The title of the thread is a gross misrepresentation of the story you posted and a figment of your imagination. You can’t withdraw a title you did not confer so kindly change your title and stop the misrepresentation.

To start with, Ooni never at any time conferred Okanlomo of Yoruba land on anyone. The title in contention is Okanlomo of Oodua so it’s wrong to claim the title was withdrawn. Nothing like that happened.

Secondly, Alaafin has no such power to confer any title that goes beyond Oyo Atiba not to talk of Oyo state. Anyone claiming he has a title that covers the entire Yoruba land is just a joker. No such title exists. I’m from Ekiti and we don’t recognize any title from any Alaafin.

Again, Yoruba people never came together to confer on Alaafin the power to rule over Yoruba land or confer titles that covers the region. Yes, Alaafin through military conquest once ruled over a significant part of Yoruba land but not all. Even at that, that Oyo empire is dead and buried. And yes, it lost the military power it once held with the complete destruction of Oyo Ile at Katunga.

The Oyo at Ago Oja is not the same Oyo that ruled over an empire. It is a modern creation at Ago Oja with no military might. In fact, this Oyo owe its existence to the benevolence of Ibadan warriors. So, you can’t transfer the powers of a dead empire to small town that was only created to preserve history. It is not a power that is inherent. The powers of the Roman Empire died with the Roman Empire.

Please help me that young man again o, he is misinforming people and even lack knowledge as regards the subject matter.

I don’t know what is wrong with our young folks without so much knowledge about something they rush to social media with misinformation.

Biodun556:
Yoruba land title belongs to Alaafin. Oodua and Ile ife titles belongs to Ooni

While Ife is the cradle of the Yorubas, Ife never had administrative and military control over Yoruba land. Oyo did.

Unification and naming of Yoruba tribe is Oyo legacy

If not for Oyo, Fulani would have invade every parts of Yoruba land.

The supremacy issue was one of the reasons why Osun state was calved out of Oyo state so that the two most supreme Yoruba kings won't clash. So why would Ooni go to Ibadan and give someone Yoruba land title ?

Ohhh u be Oyo indigene abi na supporters club u be

No wonder you came with a wrong tittle and explanation that is difficult to comprehend . No wonder!

Please do yourself a favour even though you are Oyo abi Oyo ile indigene to acquit yourself with the true story or history of Yoruba land as regards Ooni and Aalafin.

Your title is WRONG.

Nothing is being withdrawn

Okanlomo Oodua is what was actually given to the man, Dotun Sanusi.

This is even beyond Yorubaland only, oodua spreads across south west, south south and even north central like kogi and kwara state.

Let’s be factual with our reportage.

yemmit90:
From the book of history, Alaafin of Oyo empire is the real son of Oduduwa with first hand access to his dynasty. Oranmiyan being the last son of Okanbi, after his other six brothers has left Ile-ife, appointed Adimula as a place holder when he was about to leave.

Oranmiyan eventually settle at present Oyo empire and became first Alaafin. It was learnt that all Yoruba King's were used to pay homages to only Alaafin as supreme king in Yoruba land. The Ooni title/ rulling houses in Ile-Ife Town of today are lineage of Placeholder Adimula.

If we are to judge by history, Ile-Ife is ancestral home of Yoruba, and Alaafin of Oyo is the head of Oduduwa (the founder of Yoruba ethnic) dynasty. Therefore, he is the one in right position to appoint Yoruba cultural leaders.

But in another instance, if Oranmiyan 6 other brothers could not return to claim their father's throne, Alaafin too should not be poking noses on what is going on in his ancestral home. If he is to claim right, he should simply fight for his father throne and become Ooni, even in far away Oyo empire.

Maybe someone who know better can enlighten me on this.

You quoted a history written or told by an Oyo indigene many of which are supporting their king selected by Seyi Makinde.

Believe you me this not the true story of what Yoruba history as concern Ooni and Aalafin.

Goodvibes007:
The guy she quoted is Igbo now. She scored an own goal out of her hatred for Yorubas.

This is what I’m saying hypocrisy at highest level in Nigeria and eternal hatred for people that have genuine goodwill.

The same Yoruba people the likes of Sowore, Deji Adeyanju that fought and still fighting for her at Nysc when she was victimized.

DEBJOCH1:
The last election did us more harm than good as a nation, it created more enmity amongst tribes, created divides among Nigerians. That's the price we get from bigotry. The election personally thought me to be on my lane, mind my business and careless about my next door neighbor.

I just pray the repercussion of what the current Ronu miscreants committed and are currently committing will not affect their future innocent generation in time to come, I trust Nigeria, History will always come to mind.

But the most voice ferocious and ardent individuals that supported your so called candidates and still supporting him on any platform be it media or anywhere is still the tribe you trying to despise.

Rufai Oseni, Maccaroni, Falz, Rastafarian looking Dele Farotimi, name them and so many ‘ronus’ according to you supported your candidate seriously but one thing I know moving forward is that some of them won’t support in coming elections just because of people like you.

Abuja is better than Lagos everywhere

And the same person you people detest abi hate so much is still the one building the city.

I say this every day, hypocrisy is their trademark.

9jaBloke:
I think it's the other way round. As Chief priest and occupier of the seat of Oduduwa, tradition puts Ooni first and as projeny of the ruler of the old Oyo empire, one of the most politically important kingdoms in Western Africa, politics puts Alaafin first.

Politics don’t even put Alaafin first as of today even Oba of Benin is superior to him when recognizing first class traditional rulers in Nigeria.

Maybe our lawmakers as the matter of urgency pass this to law but I believe is even in the Gazette of Federal republic of Nigeria.

Racoon:
Traditionally, the Ooni of Ife is supposed to defer to the Alaafin of Oyo. The traditional history is sacrosanct.

What do you mean by ‘defer’ in this context?

Maybe when you answer the above, we can now know what history is sacrosanct?

Brenbentondiaz:
The Ooni is the true traditional leader, as he was the first ruler based on Ife being taken as the origin of the Yorubas. The Alaafin was a powerful monarch that oversaw the expansion of Yoruba territory via the Oyo Empire. So, traditionally the Ooni is superior, while the Alaafin is more important military wise.

You sabi history bro, the bolded statement you made is the reason he appoints Aare onakakanfo Yoruba (chief warrior of Yoruba) and thinks he has sole power to do same for all other appointments.

joeyswift:
I want to ask my yoruba brothers a question. Who is the true traditional leader of the yoruba People?

As at today, without any bias Ooni is the traditional leader of Yoruba race, is even the automatic Chairman of Traditional Rulers council in the whole Nigeria according to even Federal government of Nigeria but when Sultan of sokoto is on seat they becomes co-chairmen, Aalafin don’t even come close because Oba of Benin is even above him.

franchasofficia:
Ooni of Ife - Chief Priest of Yoruba land


Alaafin of Oyo - Chief of Army Staff of Yoruba land


Who then is the Commander in Chief of both? Could it be Olubadan, Awujale of Ijebu land abi Alake of Egba land?

You think so??
But you are wrong, see Oduduwa, is the progenitor of Yoruba race who founded ile-ife, the cradle of Yoruba race and automatically the first Ooni of ile-ife. Now Oranmiyan who after leaving Benin left for Oyo is the son of Oduduwa (the first Ooni of ile-ife).

Now tell me can a son be said to more powerful or above his father because he was powerful to establish an empire of which doesn’t exist any longer

FYI the crown worn by Oduwawa called Ade Are is still in ile-ife, worn by successive Ooni, until Alaafin start wearing that crown before I believe he is the arole oduduwa, the successor of the progenitor of Yoruba race.

Slytiger:
What power. All these kings that ordinary local government can dethrone

Help me ask him oooo

Probably he is from Oyo because he has been masturbating the thread with some funny comments.

festacman:
This new Alaafin brought war with him to the throne. He wants to recover the influence and authority which the Alaafin of the old wielded. Unfortunately, in this age, the traditional monarchical authorities are under the control of elected politicians who now have the powers to enthrone and dethrone.

The current nationally recognised preeminence of Ooni of Ife cannot be removed by this gra gra by the new Alaafin. Yes, the history books have the enviable tales of the rise and fall of great OYO EMPIRE but we are in a different period now. He needs to be less confrontational as he is painting himself more of a THUG on the throne than a royal father.

You are very apt with your comments.

Imagine the tone of the message, which for me is a big THREAT, imagine a so called king saying before 48 hours to another King?

The guy believes he can do and undo because of seyi makinde.

No be only Titan of Yoruba

Na Titanic

Mtcheew

Has he defected from LP?

Or is he doing anti-party?

Ofunaofu:
seunsmg, are you saying Peter Obi personally orchestrates every single tweet from his aides and allies?

So, just because someone is close to Peter Obi doesn’t mean every opinion or criticism they express is a “calculated smear campaign.” People have their own voices and reasons, and dismissing everything as a political conspiracy only exposes your desperation to silence valid dissent.

if you’re really worried about lies and propaganda, maybe start with your own camp’s questionable narratives instead of projecting your insecurities onto others. Building a better Nigeria means engaging with facts and open dialogue, not resorting to tribalism and unfounded accusations.

Lastly, using Twitter gossip to defend a president who is supposed to unite the country? That’s the exact opposite of leadership. Maybe try addressing real issues instead of playing cheap political games.

Are we really going to let Twitter threads dictate the political discourse of Nigeria? Come on, let’s raise the bar.

But is that not how you and your ilks bring unconfirmed rumours and beer parlour gists here?

You come dey write comprehension on top person thread because you be obedient or what

Mtchewwww