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seunmsg:
Please stop the misinformation. The title of the thread is a gross misrepresentation of the story you posted and a figment of your imagination. You can’t withdraw a title you did not confer so kindly change your title and stop the misrepresentation.

To start with, Ooni never at any time conferred Okanlomo of Yoruba land on anyone. The title in contention is Okanlomo of Oodua so it’s wrong to claim the title was withdrawn. Nothing like that happened.

Secondly, Alaafin has no such power to confer any title that goes beyond Oyo Atiba not to talk of Oyo state. Anyone claiming he has a title that covers the entire Yoruba land is just a joker. No such title exists. I’m from Ekiti and we don’t recognize any title from any Alaafin.

Again, Yoruba people never came together to confer on Alaafin the power to rule over Yoruba land or confer titles that covers the region. Yes, Alaafin through military conquest once ruled over a significant part of Yoruba land but not all. Even at that, that Oyo empire is dead and buried. And yes, it lost the military power it once held with the complete destruction of Oyo Ile at Katunga.

The Oyo at Ago Oja is not the same Oyo that ruled over an empire. It is a modern creation at Ago Oja with no military might. In fact, this Oyo owe its existence to the benevolence of Ibadan warriors. So, you can’t transfer the powers of a dead empire to small town that was only created to preserve history. It is not a power that is inherent. The powers of the Roman Empire died with the Roman Empire.

Please help me that young man again o, he is misinforming people and even lack knowledge as regards the subject matter.

I don’t know what is wrong with our young folks without so much knowledge about something they rush to social media with misinformation.

Biodun556:
Yoruba land title belongs to Alaafin. Oodua and Ile ife titles belongs to Ooni

While Ife is the cradle of the Yorubas, Ife never had administrative and military control over Yoruba land. Oyo did.

Unification and naming of Yoruba tribe is Oyo legacy

If not for Oyo, Fulani would have invade every parts of Yoruba land.

The supremacy issue was one of the reasons why Osun state was calved out of Oyo state so that the two most supreme Yoruba kings won't clash. So why would Ooni go to Ibadan and give someone Yoruba land title ?

Ohhh u be Oyo indigene abi na supporters club u be

No wonder you came with a wrong tittle and explanation that is difficult to comprehend . No wonder!

Please do yourself a favour even though you are Oyo abi Oyo ile indigene to acquit yourself with the true story or history of Yoruba land as regards Ooni and Aalafin.

Your title is WRONG.

Nothing is being withdrawn

Okanlomo Oodua is what was actually given to the man, Dotun Sanusi.

This is even beyond Yorubaland only, oodua spreads across south west, south south and even north central like kogi and kwara state.

Let’s be factual with our reportage.

yemmit90:
From the book of history, Alaafin of Oyo empire is the real son of Oduduwa with first hand access to his dynasty. Oranmiyan being the last son of Okanbi, after his other six brothers has left Ile-ife, appointed Adimula as a place holder when he was about to leave.

Oranmiyan eventually settle at present Oyo empire and became first Alaafin. It was learnt that all Yoruba King's were used to pay homages to only Alaafin as supreme king in Yoruba land. The Ooni title/ rulling houses in Ile-Ife Town of today are lineage of Placeholder Adimula.

If we are to judge by history, Ile-Ife is ancestral home of Yoruba, and Alaafin of Oyo is the head of Oduduwa (the founder of Yoruba ethnic) dynasty. Therefore, he is the one in right position to appoint Yoruba cultural leaders.

But in another instance, if Oranmiyan 6 other brothers could not return to claim their father's throne, Alaafin too should not be poking noses on what is going on in his ancestral home. If he is to claim right, he should simply fight for his father throne and become Ooni, even in far away Oyo empire.

Maybe someone who know better can enlighten me on this.

You quoted a history written or told by an Oyo indigene many of which are supporting their king selected by Seyi Makinde.

Believe you me this not the true story of what Yoruba history as concern Ooni and Aalafin.

Goodvibes007:
The guy she quoted is Igbo now. She scored an own goal out of her hatred for Yorubas.

This is what I’m saying hypocrisy at highest level in Nigeria and eternal hatred for people that have genuine goodwill.

The same Yoruba people the likes of Sowore, Deji Adeyanju that fought and still fighting for her at Nysc when she was victimized.

DEBJOCH1:
The last election did us more harm than good as a nation, it created more enmity amongst tribes, created divides among Nigerians. That's the price we get from bigotry. The election personally thought me to be on my lane, mind my business and careless about my next door neighbor.

I just pray the repercussion of what the current Ronu miscreants committed and are currently committing will not affect their future innocent generation in time to come, I trust Nigeria, History will always come to mind.

But the most voice ferocious and ardent individuals that supported your so called candidates and still supporting him on any platform be it media or anywhere is still the tribe you trying to despise.

Rufai Oseni, Maccaroni, Falz, Rastafarian looking Dele Farotimi, name them and so many ‘ronus’ according to you supported your candidate seriously but one thing I know moving forward is that some of them won’t support in coming elections just because of people like you.

Abuja is better than Lagos everywhere

And the same person you people detest abi hate so much is still the one building the city.

I say this every day, hypocrisy is their trademark.

9jaBloke:
I think it's the other way round. As Chief priest and occupier of the seat of Oduduwa, tradition puts Ooni first and as projeny of the ruler of the old Oyo empire, one of the most politically important kingdoms in Western Africa, politics puts Alaafin first.

Politics don’t even put Alaafin first as of today even Oba of Benin is superior to him when recognizing first class traditional rulers in Nigeria.

Maybe our lawmakers as the matter of urgency pass this to law but I believe is even in the Gazette of Federal republic of Nigeria.

Racoon:
Traditionally, the Ooni of Ife is supposed to defer to the Alaafin of Oyo. The traditional history is sacrosanct.

What do you mean by ‘defer’ in this context?

Maybe when you answer the above, we can now know what history is sacrosanct?

Brenbentondiaz:
The Ooni is the true traditional leader, as he was the first ruler based on Ife being taken as the origin of the Yorubas. The Alaafin was a powerful monarch that oversaw the expansion of Yoruba territory via the Oyo Empire. So, traditionally the Ooni is superior, while the Alaafin is more important military wise.

You sabi history bro, the bolded statement you made is the reason he appoints Aare onakakanfo Yoruba (chief warrior of Yoruba) and thinks he has sole power to do same for all other appointments.

joeyswift:
I want to ask my yoruba brothers a question. Who is the true traditional leader of the yoruba People?

As at today, without any bias Ooni is the traditional leader of Yoruba race, is even the automatic Chairman of Traditional Rulers council in the whole Nigeria according to even Federal government of Nigeria but when Sultan of sokoto is on seat they becomes co-chairmen, Aalafin don’t even come close because Oba of Benin is even above him.

franchasofficia:
Ooni of Ife - Chief Priest of Yoruba land


Alaafin of Oyo - Chief of Army Staff of Yoruba land


Who then is the Commander in Chief of both? Could it be Olubadan, Awujale of Ijebu land abi Alake of Egba land?

You think so??
But you are wrong, see Oduduwa, is the progenitor of Yoruba race who founded ile-ife, the cradle of Yoruba race and automatically the first Ooni of ile-ife. Now Oranmiyan who after leaving Benin left for Oyo is the son of Oduduwa (the first Ooni of ile-ife).

Now tell me can a son be said to more powerful or above his father because he was powerful to establish an empire of which doesn’t exist any longer

FYI the crown worn by Oduwawa called Ade Are is still in ile-ife, worn by successive Ooni, until Alaafin start wearing that crown before I believe he is the arole oduduwa, the successor of the progenitor of Yoruba race.

Slytiger:
What power. All these kings that ordinary local government can dethrone

Help me ask him oooo

Probably he is from Oyo because he has been masturbating the thread with some funny comments.

festacman:
This new Alaafin brought war with him to the throne. He wants to recover the influence and authority which the Alaafin of the old wielded. Unfortunately, in this age, the traditional monarchical authorities are under the control of elected politicians who now have the powers to enthrone and dethrone.

The current nationally recognised preeminence of Ooni of Ife cannot be removed by this gra gra by the new Alaafin. Yes, the history books have the enviable tales of the rise and fall of great OYO EMPIRE but we are in a different period now. He needs to be less confrontational as he is painting himself more of a THUG on the throne than a royal father.

You are very apt with your comments.

Imagine the tone of the message, which for me is a big THREAT, imagine a so called king saying before 48 hours to another King?

The guy believes he can do and undo because of seyi makinde.

No be only Titan of Yoruba

Na Titanic

Mtcheew

Has he defected from LP?

Or is he doing anti-party?

Ofunaofu:
seunsmg, are you saying Peter Obi personally orchestrates every single tweet from his aides and allies?

So, just because someone is close to Peter Obi doesn’t mean every opinion or criticism they express is a “calculated smear campaign.” People have their own voices and reasons, and dismissing everything as a political conspiracy only exposes your desperation to silence valid dissent.

if you’re really worried about lies and propaganda, maybe start with your own camp’s questionable narratives instead of projecting your insecurities onto others. Building a better Nigeria means engaging with facts and open dialogue, not resorting to tribalism and unfounded accusations.

Lastly, using Twitter gossip to defend a president who is supposed to unite the country? That’s the exact opposite of leadership. Maybe try addressing real issues instead of playing cheap political games.

Are we really going to let Twitter threads dictate the political discourse of Nigeria? Come on, let’s raise the bar.

But is that not how you and your ilks bring unconfirmed rumours and beer parlour gists here?

You come dey write comprehension on top person thread because you be obedient or what

Mtchewwww

author=AK481 post=136379596]Starting from January they will be 5% increase in pms as a result of VAT for fuel and diesel .

See how clear that is .

Juxtaposed it with the nonsense unclear achievement this mad man have listed

Please don't make racist and tribalistic comments on this section[/quote]Calling someone a mad man

lincs25:
Governors threatened him that if he insist on local government autonomy then he is ready to sacrifice his second term ambition

Like you were there when they threatened him abi

Some of you will just spill out fake news for whatever sake!

Don’t forget the governors took the fg to Supreme Court.

Not surprised

Amaechi close paddy

Very professional, the way she relates with other ladies and her audience at large.

Me I also like that her dimples

I hope the likes of vociferous Adebowale Adedayo(Macaroni) DeleFarotimi, Tunde Ednut and co can see and hear their colleagues at the other side don’t give a Bleep about them.

It’s unfortunate that the person they(macaroni and co) are fighting for (Peter Obi) won’t condemn this act.

EngineerOloye:
Is there a political reason for your position, or you just want to say what you wish to see?
Personally, I think he is the leader Nigeria needs, not because he has the solution to all problems, but because of his ability to inspire people to be better.
As president, he will make many more Peter Obis... And I don't mean a tribe being favoured ( even if that happens as a side effect), but that many young men will aspire to be better, to work, be more productive. What Nigeria needs now is a great Leader, not just a good president!

Which entity or organization has he led to make you come to this conclusion?

Apart from his personal business which to some extent is the product of Nigeria corruption and rotten system, for me he is supposed to be the political leader of Anambra state, but it will interest you to know that his successors have never said anything good about him.

The party that gave him a platform on a platter of gold (Labour Party) is in disarray which is as a result of his leadership deficiencies.

Infact as it stands now we don’t even know the party he is, is it labour or ADC? What he is looking for now is where he will get the ticket on a platter of gold.

I think the best leader we want now according to you is the person that leads from homestead, galvanise his party( don’t forget Kenneth Okonkwo left Labour Party because of this) and not wait for awoof but instead fight for it, get it and use it well.

Baba you are just desperate.

An act of desperation of the highest order.

Thank God people like me is not buying it.

ednut1:
Alaafin is more powerful than ooni . Awolowo was the one who elevated ooni. They should add obi of onitsha to the list

Hope you have been educated of your ignorance?

And please let’s stop all these oyomesi attitude and be truthful for sake of the unborn generation.

They are already, senate just want to make it official and thereby stop all this nonsensical bullshit on social media and even here on nairaland.

zeuss:
Ife is subordinate to Benin kingdom by many centuries infact benin birthed the Yoruba monarch system. The title Oba is Benin copyright like Emir is caliphate copyright. The caliphate and Emirship is a foreign 19th century contraption

Are you high or something
The same obas of Benin head dey my backyard for village(ife) where them bury them.

[quote author=chopnaira post=136253038][/quote]No wonder

Na them……They never wanted the ladies to win to score some cheap political goals but God disappointed the enemies.

LagosPrince:
This baba is now desperate for election since the birth of ADC. He's been begging everyone to support him from the imminent disgrace that awaits him in 2027.

Atiku, Peter Obi, El rufai, Rauf Aregbesola, David mark.
Na winning team dey ADC I swear.

Atiku and El rufai both have inherited buhari 12 million votes in the north.
Peter Obi got south east, Rivers state, Edo state and Bayelsa in the bag including Lagos and Abuja

David mark got the middle belt in the bag.

Osun state and Lagos sure for Aregbesola

KWANKWASO of NNPP will damage tinubu chances in Kano.

Tinubu is going back to Iragbiji in 2027 insha Allah.

You’ve started again abi?

Factcheck0001:
And some wailers believe this government isn't doing anything, we are waiting for what they will campaign with


Bunch of pathetic clowns

They will campaign with economy is bad.

I read through the comments and I was made to believe that any good action taken by the president is propaganda or playing politics. Nawaooo

So it seems to me that until Peter Obi becomes the president there is no sanity in the head of some folks.

It is well.