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MosesAlex:
You have fallen a simple trick of someone who neither believes in Jesus Christ nor in Christianity. And are busy arguing with yourselves.


However would love address your concerns, in a different tread

Yeah that true knowing about Jesus is different from know and having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ.

Kamxin:
You are on the run, come back again with that your constantine theory.
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Publisher
Reader
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Interpreter
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You forget to add pilot

Lol..... Eyah doh ...... e pain you well well,

Kamxin:
Yo are busy taking yourself out of context. I listed the Councils that worked on producing the bible both old and new which you called holy today after you said constantine 1 coupled the bible(roadside term for canonization).

You are busy trying to skirt over irrelevant history to skip the defence of your constantine theory, to arrive at your imaginary fantasy.

I put it back to you, Occultic Catholic church produced the holy bible, and without them all these your yardstick of bible backing is imaginary.

Lol.... e pain you ooo.




Even if you say it was your pope that wrote the old and New Testament it still don’t mean nothing .... beside China is the world biggest bible publisher but they still don’t read it.


There is a difference between studying that bible and reading bible stories..... peace my brother.... lol �

Ubenedictus:
my parents who raised me certainly made sure I had and read the Bible, both privately and publicly daily and more importantly they made sure I had access to how it has been faithfully interpreted in the Christian Church for 2000 years so I will not be deficient in biblical knowledge or half cooked in exegesis. No protestant can say the same, you may be giving a Bible but it is usually with your own private interpretation or the interpretation of pastors so and so which is why Protestantism has a big record for heresies.
The Bible was never written so that every Tom dick and Harry will decide for himself what it teaches, the Old Testament was written for the Jewish community with authorized teachers, the New Testament was written to the church who already knew the gospel in toto as a reminder. So I am happy to read scriptures under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and in the right context.


In that right context joining the legion of Mary is not even wrong as it is a dedication to Christ in the example and under the intercession of the blessed Mary, it is both good and holy.

I can’t be going back and forth with you..... now you sounding pained, take it easy.





I said Eastern Orthodox Church sir,

Anybody with internet can get the history of the origin of the bible, I mean anybody and don’t act like you got information not available to the public(those kind of information are locked up in a secret library in Rome that even most cardinals cant access)

Anybody can read the bible and understand with the help of the Holy Spirit, and you will be playing yourself if you think or believe that the Holy Spirit is found or available only to catholics cos at the end of the day God is not interested in which set you belong to be it Anglican or Pentecostal.



Your last paragraph really got me laughing, Legion of Mary is both good and holy .... what makes it holy sir educate me? Is it biblical? You talking about intercessory or mediating, if you claim to know the bible so well wouldn’t you have known that 1 Timothy 2:5 says? JESUS is the only mediator between man and God and nobody in between wasn’t that what Jesus died for? ( and pls don’t tell me about that wedding at Canaan that happened before the death if at all)


I have some questions for you sir...


- Do you know Praying repetitive words using Rosary beads is forbidden.

If you truly read your bible you should have Seen that in Matthew 6:7



- why does the pope have to choose who are to be called saint and who aren’t ? Was the average Christian in the church at Philippi called a saint, in distinction to bishops and deacons?You can check these scriptures to confirm 1 Corinthians 1:2, Philippians 1:1 .......Maybe you missed them when you read your bible sir



- Do you know every according to the bible every bishop must be married? Check 1 Timothy 3:2-5 How come the Pope woke up on morning and felt celibate men commit less sin and ban priests from getting married also see what the bible says regarding those dogma and culture against marriage Timothy 4:1-3



- Do you know Baptism is full immersion in water, not sprinkling? It’s still in your bible



- Do you know the Dogma and culture originated by the pope is forbidden by God? It’s in your bible in Mark 7:7-9


Let me not even go into the Bowing, knelling and kissing of images of Jesus and Mary both at the grotto and on good Friday ( also practised in Legion of Mary and almost every society in the Catholic Church)

Let me no go into infant baptism too.


I can go on and on and on..... before i left the Catholic Church I wrote over 1000 of such practises that were against what the bible says.






If you truly read that bible you would have seen so much contradiction, ask questions and do a lot of thinking.




I bet you don’t even know the connection between the Catholic Church (Jesuit priest) and the Freemasonry.......





The deception is real my brother.... peace be with you.

Kamxin:
Let me lend some historical perspectives from D world oldest surviving institution(D Catholic church). In our 1985 years of existence we do not define truth unless errors abound on the matter(Act 5). There was no canon scripture in the early church, in other words there was no bible. The bible is the book of the church, she is not a church of the bible. It was the church; her leadership, faithful people guided by the authority of D spirit of truth(Jn 14: 16-17) which discovered D books inspired by God in their(apostles) writing. The church did not create the canon, she discerned the canon. The council of laodicea in 360AD produced a list of books similar to today's canon, but Pope Damasus in his decree listed the books of today's canon after the council of Rome in 382AD made a case for it. The council of Hippo created the list of both D new and old testament books in 393AD as it is today. The council of carthage(N.Africa) did D same in 397AD & 419AD. But D final infalliable definition of canonical books by D catholic church came from council of Trient in 1556AD, which upheld today's bible as it is. Only 27 from hundreds books written by the apostles. Contrariwise, Constantine who know only of Biblia(books) and not Bible(book) died on 22nd of May, 337AD. So your write up is based on malicious gossips, blakmail & backed by no-facts or evidence except what wikipaedia and the some other men on the web were able to gabaged together the other day, so no leg to stand on. Teach the catholic church history because you were once a seminarian.

The council of Laodicea (363ad)took place about 38 years after the council of Nicaea (325ad)

You know about the council of Laodicea but you don’t know why it was held, Let me tell you why.


The council took place soon after the conclusion of the war between the Roman Empire and the Persian Empire, waged by Emperor Julian. Julian, the last Constantinian emperor, attempted a full revival of paganism and resumed discrimination against Christians ( after Christianity was unbanned by Emperor Constantine)


Talking about the council of Nicea Pope Sylvester I was in attendance ...... if you are well versed with the succession of your Pope you will be very much aware that Sylvester rules way before Pope Damasus came to power.



Here is a link from the official catholic website, it contain facts and figures about the same council of Nicaea you all are saying didn’t happen.

https://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=8436



From what ever source you get your information from, do a search on council of Nicaea......



I also did a search of Vatican officials website as well.

I can also give you links to letters and speeches by various popes containing details of the Council of Nicaea.



Don’t take my word for what it is, do a search on any official catholic website you know or believe.

Ubenedictus:
funny enough you talk of Catholics born in to Catholicism but you forgot protestants can be born into Protestantism, you guys also indoctrinate your kids teach them your style of prayers etc but you rise up and condemn Catholics for bringing up kids according to their faith.

Good news is that everyone has a chance to check out the claims of his religion and decide whether or not he agrees so I don't get why you seem pained about Catholics raising kid according to their faith, the Bible itself encourages it.

Maybe attendance in your area is few not in mine.

You wish, I am not against raising kids in a particular beliefs system or religion but I think Everyone should have a right to think and make necessary choices regarding serving God, but giving thst child the bible so he could search for the truth, there is nothing as fulfilling as personal convinction.

There is a saying that if you don’t know where you are going to every bus stop will look like your destination.

Don’t put a child in Legion of Mary and make that child kneel down saying repeated prayers to a statue of Mary, that’s is not biblical (it’s actually idolatry) and isn’t a path to the truth.... bear in mind that child might never see a need to actually study the bible even when he or she grows up, and the mind set will be “ cos I was born into this I can’t leave nor question it cos if it was false my parent and grandparents would have known”

Ubenedictus:
constantine was not there when the bible was canonised that is a lie.

Secondly the council of nicea didn't canonise the Bible.

Thirdly, there was no eastern orthodox or oriental orthodox church when the bible canon was been set at hippo and Carthage another lie.

I work with facts and figure, that information is on Wikipedia and on every major website owned and/or affliated to the Catholic Church, I was a seminarian (order of st Augustine) and we were ever taught that same information about the council of Nicaea ...... I will like you to enlighten me pls if you have a different view or understand regarding that, I am open minded.

Ubenedictus:
the fact that many Catholics are born into Catholicism means that the early missionaries have done a great job and Catholics are very much alive in transmitting their faith to the next generation which is a good thing.

Secondly the Catholic Churches I frequented last year at Easter had lost of adult baptism, one was exclusively adults that other had over 20 adults baptising as Catholics.

funny enough Catholics are encouraged to ask questions usually parishes organises several retreat every year with public asking of questions, again it is faith seeking understanding.

Can you say same for our Muslim brothers? Cos many of them were born into it too, not having a choice of their own and we all know how brainwashing from early childhood could be very effective look at the suicide bombers for example..... when you’ve been associated with something for a very long time changing your beliefs system is very different (especially when ever other denomination out there has been called fake and demonic by the Priest)

When knowledge increases the understanding of the bible increases too, if our parent that couldn’t read the bible nor do certain research in history accepted the catholic faint blindly, now that we are grown it’s only logically we think of ourself and don’t rely on our parent or grant parent decision..... we should think with an open mind study the bible make valuable judgement and choose a more logical path inline with the bible to seek God.




Oh yes there are retreat organised yearly to that effect and you know it always has poor attendance and let’s not go into how ppl get shut down if they ask question not in line with the topic of the retreat.

Ubenedictus:
funny enough Catholics have been on the topic, catholic do read the Bible and they have a plan that finishes the Bible every 3 years. There have equally been protestants who after studying the same bible end up in the Catholic Church many are even pastors. This manner of speaking you adopted is largely disparaging, I'm such you won't be happy if other people adopted the same tone when discussing with you.

It is also instructive to note that the Catholic Church does not use the Bible alone, we are the church who put together the Bible, we were already existing before the Bible, having people who were taught directly and ordained directly by the apostles. So we do not only hold to their writing word we also hold to their spoken word which has always been believed and taught by the church. That is why even the Bible says to hold on to the word whether writing or spoken that has come from the apostles and it also says to know who your teachers are.

For that reason there are many things that are not in the Bible in fact the word bible can't be found in the Bible, nor is the word trinity, hypostatic union but they are either implied there or at least not contradicted in the Bible. What I am confident of though is that the idea of denomination is expressly condemned in the Bible.

I have been there before and I can clearly tell you that 80% catholics either don’t own a bible or personally don’t study the bible...... why should they do that anyway when the bulletin is there for Sunday and almost every other society (except the Catholic charismatic renewal) in the church placed their focus on Mary and/or have a Manuel or pamphlet of selected prayers and order of worship...anyway that aside.


Technically speaking it wasn’t the Catholic church that coupled or put the bible together, it was emperor Constantine I (who happen to be a pagan and well celebrated in the occultic world) he even baptised at the time and also mind you that meeting had bishop and delegate from Catholic Church, Eastern Orthodox Church,oriental orthodoxy, Assyrian church of the East etc in attendance.


Also it’s Important to know his reason for putting the bible together and unbanning Christianity.
It was simply to gain political support among Christian bishop and for the unification of the Roman Empire which he did by unifying Christianity and pagan worship, that is clearly seen in the tradition, doctrine and dogma of the Catholic Church today...... I can give you a list of them and how it connect to pagan worship of you want me to.


It’s easy to think that the apostles taught directly in the Catholic Church but you seems to forget that for the first 280 years of Christian history, Christianity was banned by the Roman Empire and Christians terribly persecuted..... we were often told then in church that apostle Paul is the first pope, till date I am still searching for biblical, historical or archeological evidence to support that claim.


Also you said something about word of mouth teachings, let me state here one of the reason that council of Nicaea happened was that at a point in time a lot of teaching and letters were in circulation and most were not verifiable, traceable nor in line with the doctrine of the bible, thus it became confusing for Christian which teaching to follow and which is fake.....thus putting the bible together was more like verifying some and disapproving some letter and teaching in circulation. now if you are saying some of your doctrine, dogma or teaching not found in the bible was taught via word of mouth how can we verify that? especially when it not only goes against biblical doctrine but it is also out rightly condemned in the bible.



Mind you I was a catholic and I almost became a priest until I started studying the bible...... I am not trying to insult or fight over this I am just trying to wake up my fellow brother and sisters who might still be sleeping.


Be sincere to yourself my brother the disciples in the bible from what we’ve read and understood about them, do they fit into present day catholic or present day petecostant..... I leave that for my opponent to answer.




A dude here @pachukuwma made a post blasting tithe payers he just exposed his ignorance cos he clearly don’t know that the catholic pay tithe too.

PaChukwudi44:
where is the scriptural back up for Christian tithing?

where is the scriptural backup for tithing in money?

where is the scriptural back up for monthly or weekly tithing?

Hey bros easy there don’t come here forming as tho catholic don’t pay tithe ...... Catholic pay tithe too I can prove that to you if you want me to(from your post I am very sure yall dont have the slightest reason why you do)

Also you guys pay “harvest levy” either your working or not, ask yourself if that is in the bible (which is either announced on the pulpit or published in the bulletin with names and amount paid) also during Harvest you all know why mass close very late cos of the numberous launching going on and how they form different categories of same ppl to come launch money they call
-Chelsea fans come for support your team
-All Liverpool fans
-All personals born in Jan to dec.
- All person in university, primary or secondary school
-All person earming salary or have their own business
-Persons from IMO state
-Persons from Enugu state
-Mr Okorocha of Okorocha pharmaceuticals come out and launch (imagine announcing that on the pulpit so the dude can’t reject the invitation out of shame or pride not minding of the dude has money or just struggling to stay afloat)

And the list goes on and on and no

Let me not even go into how we use to visit numerous politicians, chief, kings, wealthy ppl submitting letters of invitations to come support “our harvest”


Also let’s not go into the auctioning of stuffs brought to Church to thank God what you ppl call bazaar.



And at the end of the day majority of the food cooked for the so called harvest will be sold the little remaining will be shared to whoever it could get to.





Yall know I know these stuffs......





So Oga sir b4 you talk about tithe and start quoting Daddy freeze check where you standing very well.

Anas09:
You are very correct. And we grew up fighting anyonw with any opposing idea. I remember my inner war with doubt when i left Catholic Church. I was very auspicious of everything none Catholic, to a point i was suspicious of Jesus Himself while reading the Bible. This is really serious.

I was told that miracles are faked by the Protestant fake prophets, i believed. When i read the Bible and read abt Jesus' miracles, i doubted Him and called them fake.

God just helped me.

Yeah I know that feeling, I can relate with it absolutely.

StormInc:
Lol. Don't you know that using logic and reasoning is a sin

Lol..... sorry father

StormInc:
Lol, your questions are pointless because even if I didn't know, I have Google and the internet to tell me. I'm not reaveling anything about me to you. If you know the bible verses and choose not to share it's no big deal. We all have copies of the bible and I know those narrations were written no where inside

I already answered him.... just incase he doesn’t see it.



Here it is.


You should have quoted me.....


Answers to your question

1) Deo gratias

2) order of St Augustine


NB- it’s Benedicamus Domino not the gibberish you wrote sir

Empredboy:
if you were once an altar boy and seminarian please answer these questios.
(1) Benedicta mos domino
(2) which congregation were you.
If you refuse to answer me then I am done with this.
But if you answer me I will point the bible verses to your question

You should have quoted me.....


Answers to your question

1) Deo gratias

2) order of St Augustine


NB- it’s Benedicamus Domino not the gibberish you wrote sir

Anas09:
Even they were deceived at a point. They just didn't get over it. The deception runs very deep. I was there, and like you said, I started reading the Bible for myself and light came.

@Ubenedictus, Italo, Sincan where are you guys, come come come, someone needs answers.

True, very true...... and another point is 80% of catholic were born into it, it wasn’t a thing they choose by themselves(samething implies to our Muslim brothers)


One of the major issues with religion is you are not allowed to think outside the box, cos of you do, you start asking questions and even if you want to ask questions they tell you to go see the leader or whoever runs the show privately and ask the question..... why don’t I ask questions for the whole cogregation to hear and maybe if my question is thought provoking enough it might wake up some of my brothers from their slumber?

StormInc:
I don't want to divert

Bros watch how they will avoid this topic like a plague, even the so called priest wouldn’t even touch it with a long stick..... one of the major issues is that they don’t read the bible, any catholic that takes his or her time to studying the bible is on its way out of the Catholic Church......

I can give a list of over 20 practises and/or dogma they that aren’t in the bible or goes against biblical principles......and sincerely I don’t blame them the deception is crazy!!! It’s the so called leaders of the Catholic Church (pope, cardinal etc) that is to be blame for the evil.

StormInc:
Thank you Brother. All I want is the source of those texts, that's all

You welcome man, we are all here to learn bros......

bot101:
Lol, he already has a premeditated mindset. Anyways, unlike every other Christian denomination, the Catholic church has a history that continues after Jesus's death. We have the Bible and more when it comes to Christian history. That you don't know the history of even the Bible you preach with (the reason you are asking this question) isn't the fault of Catholics. Go read how the bible was compiled, how the books that became part of it were chosen, why certain books were committed, then it will all begin to make sense to you.

The Bible documents the very beginning of Christianity, there's been over 2000 years since then. The Catholic church has documented, and continues to document those 2000 years.

Note: Not all Catholics even know this, only those who have dedicated some time to doing deeper research, and a few pastors too, most of whom would only tell you if you are pretty inquisitive.

Weldon sir, the dude just want to know no need for insult sir just explain to him besides aspostle Paul has a premeditated mindset too and God changed him, explain what these dudes is asking sir.

Also saying “we” have the bible and more rrally got me laughing..... the “more” you referring to isn’t even available to every catholic out there, it’s locked up somewhere in Rome....(mind you I av a catholic for over 25years was an altar boy, I almost became a priest so I know what I am talking about )

With all due respect I know the history of the bible, the history of the Roman Empire as well.



Oga sir if you can or will educate our ignorance pls other wise just chillax sir..... no need for insult we are here to learn and unlearn and learn again right?

SA

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HeavenlyBang:
Someone get this man a cold glass of alomo.

Thanks for the drink

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Does the knob and/buttons remove the gear box wahala?

Cos to me shifting an automatic lever or pressing a button doesn’t really really contribute much to the fun and comfort of driving �‍♂️�‍♂️

Amakavula:
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