jnrbayano:

Some cool feats:
http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/topic/6/Lion-kills-male-tigers?page=1

Seen this cool one:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3889729

Looks like its alot closer than most thought.

jnrbayano:



Hahahahahahahahaha

Are you for real? That's a joke isn't it?

Yup. its a joke that the tigers floped in all of the fights in lucknow.

kagari:
and we talking africa lion not asian mountain lion which is the size of a leopard. A tiger has so many factors working for it, it does well in deep forest and wide grass, while the lion does well only in open space that is wide grass. But a tiger wont ever have that opportunity cause they are of different habitat and a lions pride wont even give the tiger to have a one on one face off with the dominant male

Why are you continuing on about lying? The asian lion? You mean baber sher also known as the greater tiger? Also known as singh, the lion of power? This is a screen shot of sasan gir forest which gives weights on the asiatic lion:



This is the sign that is right in front of the park before you walk in, so stop making up lies that lions are as small as a leopard.

Only tigers can be as small as a leopard:

However, the tigers in the Sundarbans weigh just 76.7 kg, nearly half of the weight of other wild Bengal tigers, which average at 138.2 kg. This is also less than the average weight of tigers from any of the other 8 sub-species, making the Sundarbans tigers probably the smallest in the world.
http://www.thedailystar.net/news-detail-156957


Stop making up lies. Leopards kill tigers, wild dogs kill tigers, lions are 1 to 2 feet taller at the shoulder and heavier on average. Tigers are just noted the largest because they are longer than lions. Lions also have killed tigers in the wild 1 on 1. Many indian naturalist back the Asiatic lion against the bengal tiger and you aint even indian.

kagari:
a leopard cant even tear a lioness to pieces talk more of a tiger. Dont ever compare a leopard and tiger again please

Yes, a leopard hasnt been documented killing a lionesses in the wild, because they live in groups, even in captivity none are killed, this shows the lioness has alot more fighting skill than any tiger would, sorry, but you living in denial that those leopards didnt kill those tigers is just that. Denial.

Many small animals kill tigers, he is not some god who has never been defeated, even packs of 40 lb dogs have killed tigers hundreds of times:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3992859

There are more records of lionesses killing male tigers than any tiger killing a male lion.

pmadise:
This argument is always unending because God in His infinite wisdom didnt place the 2 beasts in the same forest. In d wild, these beasts can never meet talk less of a natural fight.

They are so different in their strengths and weaknesses. All lions and all tigers dont have the same fighting power so picking 1 domesticated lion and another tiger randomly for a staged fight still doesnt solve the puzzle.

My final take is that considering all things are equal in terms of age, weight, etc in the wild and the lion goes to the natural solitary territory of the tiger the latter will win. If the same tiger strays to the open habitat of the lion surely the lion is a winner.

Why? Because God didnt create them to fight each other.

Why are you mentioning god in something you know nothing about, just because you dont know anything about them, how doesnt god? They did co-exist in india for thousands of years, in the middle east for thousands of years, in many other places. And the lion was always reported to have won. They are not different under the skin, they are the two closes species of any genus. Take away their skin and they are nearly identical, every scientist who has dissected them has stated this.

The lion would win in both cases, solitary or his natural wild state of having the pride.

kagari:
cause they are more exposed to tiger than lion, to me in a free and fare battle the tiger would tear the lion to pieces

To me a leopard will always tear a tiger to pieces
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3928165

d4guy:
Lions and tigers don't live in the same habitat, where dey wan meet ? Except u bring dem together which is against nature anyways .

Where they meet? In surat and the ganges yamuna:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3918317

Also interesting that lions have killed bears more polar bears than any other bear in captivity:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3889729

I just find it interesting that most people dont even know of the indian lion, yet their history is quite broad, far and wide through Asia's history:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3918317

matrix199:
Panthera leo africanus(the African lion).



The male African lion is a born fighter. Never backs down in a fight. More aggressive than a bengal tiger.


The Asiatic lion is smaller in size and lighter in weight. It wouldn't stand a chance with a bengal tiger.

Ohhh? It seems even leopards attack and kill full grown male bengal tigers from the wild:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=3928165

Bengal tigers are not that much bigger than lions, in fact some...bengals...can be as small as a leopard:


However, the tigers in the Sundarbans weigh just 76.7 kg, nearly half of the weight of other wild Bengal tigers, which average at 138.2 kg. This is also less than the average weight of tigers from any of the other 8 sub-species, making the Sundarbans tigers probably the smallest in the world.
http://www.thedailystar.net/news-detail-156957


Can you show me a asiatic lion as small as a leopard or even just as small as a jaguar?

so where did the misconception about which of the big cats is the "king" of the jungle come from?

The Tiger is by far the superior hunter of the two.

I doubt you can prove that. Tigers main prey is chital, boar, blue bull, sambar ( all under 1,000 lbs), while lions buffalo (1,500 lbs) eland, (3,000 lbs) and giraffe (4,000 lbs), indian bison or guar kill more tigers than tigers do guar, and lions hunt hippo (6,000 lbs), rhino (7,000 lbs).

Lions kill some 600 plus giraffes in one study:

https://books.google.com/books?id=7Qd-AgAAQBAJ&pg=PA55&dq=lion+giraffe+killed&hl=en&sa=X&ei=LrhyVcrHHoGXsQX53YKwDA&ved=0CBQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=lion%20giraffe%20killed&f=false

And one solitary young male lion killed two bull giraffes in two weeks time:
http://lionguardians.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Dolrenry-Stephanie-PhD-2013.pdf

Tigers have been shown to have higher average bite forces (such as at the canine tips) than lions.The bite force adjusted for body mass allometry (BFQ) for tiger is 127 while that for lion is 112. Tigers have a well-developed sagittal crest and coronoid processes, providing muscle attachment for their strong bite.Tigers also have exceptionally stout teeth, and the canines are the longest and biggest among all living felids

The average weight of the Tiger is 220kg while the average Lion weight is 190kg

This is incorrect, most scientist agree the lions skull is bigger, and the tiger species stay around the 300 lb range.




http://www.catsg.org/index.php?id=410

Tigers are generally larger, heavier, have a stronger bite and win almost every conflict against lions(usually quite quickly) that have been witnessed by humans, according to William Bridges, the curator of publications at the Bronx Zoo “back in the day of the Roman Coliseum, the smart money usually backed the tiger.” While we don’t have any great descriptions of the outcomes, ancient paintings of the event usually showed the tiger winning. And in the late 1800′s, the Gaekwad of Baroda, an Indian ruler, arranged a fight between the two beasts. Before the fight began, those running the bettor set the odds at 1 to 37,000 that the tiger would win. It did, and the Gaekwad lost 37,000 rupees.

Also in 2011 at the Ankara zoo, a tiger killed a lion with a single paw swipe!! http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-12669308

The first one isnt real and the second was a cub. Any one can see the zoos three lions had a female and two cubs. The lion has most documentation of experts backing the lion, unlike yours which are empty text, you show no tangible proof or empirical evidence, any one can claim those things for both sides, but can you show the proof? Clyde beattys records we can see these were real animals he basis his experiences on:

http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4171069

Bengal Tigers are known to kill Bull elephants single handedly, but you never hear of a Lion taking down an elephant on its own.

A tiger can stand tall on hind limbs and deliver swipes with its bigger paws

lol A bull elephant is immune to attack from any animal. But lions do take juvenile elephants as large as 6,000 lbs:



A lone lion who killed a pretty big elephant:
https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=this+male+killed+this+elephant+entirely+on+its+own&cad=h#tbm=bks&q=%22This+male+killed+this+elephant+entirely+on+its+own%2C+an+impressive+and+extremely+rare+feat+of+daring.+It+will+be+difficult+for%22

Even the indian lion has:


largest elephants, and to have fairly pulled them to the ground, riders and all.
https://books.google.com/books?id=QvFmze2gaGsC&pg=PA383&lpg=PA383&dq=pulled+rider+lion+elephant+india&source=bl&ots=1i4F-ZJIB4&sig=YZcH5biumdk2u_CGvbcTT-65BwE&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiDtNah-ZTNAhVO4mMKHU-lAiEQ6AEIQTAL#v=onepage&q=pulled%20rider%20lion%20elephant%20india&f=false

A lion has been seen by Biologist joubert knocking a 6 year old juvi down
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/03/15/older-elephants-know-the-best-anti-lion-moves/#.Vt6JMJwrLIW


Lions constitute of over a 100 elephant deaths a year, a tiger doesnt even kill 10 elephants a year.


A tiger hopping around like a bunny rabbit on two legs means nothing.

Lions are relaxed (sociable) and confident around their harem of females, they live in groups. Tigers on the other hand are highly aggressive, solitary animals. Tigers live alone and lions live in packs. Tigers are known to solo while lions depend on pride cooperation.

They are not relaxed, they hunt the most bovines out of any panthera.
http://i853.photobucket.com/albums/ab95/boldchamp1/Malelionsaregoodhunters.jpg

Any one who has read any biology books on George schaller would know this, and so is a jaguar solo, so is a cheetah, a leopard, a black bear, a brown bear, polar bear, wolverine ect, doesnt have any merits to say a pack animal loses all his fighting ability when solo.

A study by Oxford University scientists has shown that tigers have much bigger brains, relative to body size, than lions and other big cats. Although comparisons showed that lion skulls were larger overall, the tiger's cranial volume is the largest—even the small female Balinese tiger skulls have cranial volumes as large as those of huge male southern African lion skulls.

And jelly fish have no brains, yet they have lived millions of years and out lasted the dinosaurs and will out last us as well, not having a brain doesnt gauge intelligence and capability's, blue whales brains are a 1,000 times larger than ours, havent yet to have seen them create structures to match most colonized animals.

lastly, Lions dwell in the savannah or grasslands (and not the jungle), Tigers are the jungle dwellers!!!



lalasticlala, ishilove, freiburger, r231

The word jungle derives from the word jungala, which in its origination from the indian sanskrit writings it refers to a dense dry thicket, its secondary definition known in jungal is wild country lions can be found in both wild countrys and in dense dry thickets, both in africa and india. The rest you claimed are made up. There are more records of lions killing tigers than vice versa:

http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/topic/6/Lion-kills-male-tigers?page=1#.V38hKbgrLIU

It seems the African lion dominates the Bengal tiger:
http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4171069

So since the Asiatic lion is smaller than the African, who do you think wins?

I think there are more records of lions killing tigers than vice versa

http://wildanimalwarfare.yuku.com/topic/6/Lion-kills-male-tigers?page=1

People who dont know what they're talking about.