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mavister: Hello all..
This issue of purgatory is a very serious and delicate one as many are confused and have been led away from the truth.
Now the big question is what is purgatory
According to the catholic doctrine, purgatory is a place, probably a geographical space in the spiritual realm where wrong doers (people who commited little sins in their life time here on earth) are kept temporarily and retributed for their sins for a period of time before they are now sent to heaven. Having understood what purgatory means, i'd like to expantiate clearly on this.
Now we all go to church and as such we cant say we are ignorant of God's word.even if we are, we have a conscience to know what is good and bad and avoid the bad. Our God is no respecter of persons, age, status etc. And as such no sin is too big or small in the eyes of God. Now God is not a man and the way we look at sin is not the way God looks at sin. We humans tend to classify sins under big and small sins but the almighty God generalizes sins and even a small lie has same gravity as murder. That is God for you. Secondly, if you believe in this doctrine of purgatory, that means u are indirectly saying that God counts small sins and counts big sins as different and dishes out different punishment to the doers. Let me tell you this, purgatory is not biblical and is just a human ideology in a bid to justify thier inability to live a wholly life void of sin.. This doctrine is one believed by the weak man who hasnt recieved the touch of God fully. I believe if u are sanctified and holy-ghost filled., u will know better..am not condeming anyone here neither am i speaking from a biased mind but all am saying is that purgatory has no scriptural proof watsoever..i once asked a vibrant catholic friend to show me where it is in d bible or somtin relating to purgatory but he could not. But went on saying that there is purgatory..well in dat case .i didnt arfue with him. I just kept praying for God to open his eyes..i have seen catholics to be very bent people to their doctrines and without changing it.not even in their minds and this is quite tru...but let me leave you all with this last words... YOU AND I KNOW THERE IS HEAVEN AND HELL EVEN IF U BELIEVE IN PURGATORY, U KNOW THIS IS TRUE. U AND I KNOW SIN IS WRONG AND CAN TAKE U YO HELL.. YES YOU KNOW THAT. YOU AND I KNW THAT HEAVEN IS A PLACE FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE SINLESS. YES U KNOW THAT..NO SINEER WILL ENTER THERE.. NOW WHAT IF IT HAPPENS THAT U LIVE A WHOLLY HOLLY LIFE WITHOUT DELIBRATE SIN AND U SERVE GOD AND THEN U DIE, IF U FIND OUT THERE IS NO PURGATORY, AND U END UP IN HEAVENM, U WOULD HAVE LOST NOTIN BUT GAINED ETERNAL LIFE..BUT ON THE OTHER HAND, IF U BECAUSE OTHERS ARE BELIEVING THERE IS PURGATORY AND U JOIN THEM AND U SAY WELL SMALL LIES DONT MATTER AND U COMMIT 'SMALL SINS' AND THEN U DIE AND DISCOVER THERE IS NOT PURGATORY, WHERE DO U THINK U WILL END UP IN? ANSWER THAT FOR YA SELF..COS IF U END UP IN HELL IT IS FOREVER.. WITHOUT END..PLEASE BE WISE. THNK YOU ALL

Thank you Brother... Even bible ask **shall we continue in sin that grace abound? It said God forbid***
Now I say ***shall we continue in sin that there's purgatory? I said God forbid.....

mavister: my brother, how i wish u could give us scriptural proof to substantiate that there is purgatory. U are going round and round in circles. Please

Don't mind this Bro joor... No scripture yet no evidence yet

gonzaga: Yes, Purgatory exist. The existence of Purgatory is a testament to the inexhaustible mercy of God.

1John,5:17 says, all wrong doing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.

For sure, we know when the Bible talks about death, it's not physical death, but eternal damnation. The question then becomes; those who commit the sin that does not lead to eternal damnation, where do they go?

In justice, God will not condemn a man who stole food to survive and the one who massacred several innocent babies to the same judgement.

At the same time, the eyes of God are so holy that they cannot behold the slightest of sins. Purgatory is therefore
the place where those category of persons who commit those sins not leading to death go for cleansing before they see God.

It is in this vain that the Catholic Church teaches about mortal and venial sins. All sins that offend against the 10 commandments are mortal.

If you claim that all sins are the same, it means that you are telling us that God is no longer a just God.

I just copied out this quote from yours ***For sure, we know when the Bible talks about death, it's not physical death, but eternal damnation***. The question is as a believer, if I commit the sin that is not for eternal damnation, if I die will I be condemned?.... The answer is NO and NO. So where will I be then; it's either heaven or hell, for being a believer, I'll be in heaven not PURGATORY nor HELL.

italo: At least you know that we pay for even the sins forgiven.

Purgatory is for those who haven't finished paying for their sins in this life.

Sometimes, I wonder what would happen if Bin Laden sincerely turned to Jesus seconds before he died. Would he then go straight to heaven after a lifetime of the worst crimes?

It is not mine to judge but I know one thing...our Lord is merciful but he is also just.

What about your granny who has been a Saint all her life? If I visited her and she told you from her bedroom "tell am say I no dey" seconds before her death, would she then go to hell while Osama goes to heaven? Will that sin which doesn't lead to death take her to hell or will she be purified of it in purgatory then enter heaven.

Make up your own mind.

No one has an ANSWER here...pls what are those SIN that is unto and not unto DEATH.

italo: You are saying then that impurities will enter heaven?!

NO! There's no impurity in heaven............ But what are the SIN NOT unto DEATH and SIN unto DEATH?

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Adunbi2: Yes their is pugatory, if u wnt to knw more i will orientate u, pugatory is evn worst dan hell, it is 4 dose who sin and ask 4 forgivnes but their sin av not been 4given totaly, dey we av to go 2ru some pain dea, dat is y it is encoraging to pray 4 d those dat av die no 1 knw if they are in pugatory

Please read your post again... A SIN HAVE NOT BEEN FORGIVEN TOTALLY .......... Oga na wa oh! Is there something like half way forgiveness? If one is death, he's gone no repentance nor forgiveness, praying for the death is like pouring water on a stone.

Sal C: Give us an example of sin against the father, sin against the son, and sin against the Holy Spirit.

Denouncing christ after you've known the truth, is a sin that covers all you mentioned.

But for sin unto and not unto.........with God understanding in me, we can share light in them thereby proving that there's no PURGATORY..........it's a mere human assumption.

dearestsewa: Hi all on this thread. Can I still join? How do you go about the quiz? I've missed bible quizzes alot. Royally, can you explain?

Oya her Royal princess over to you.

babyboom: Meanwhile, I look fwd to been the first poster on the 1000 page

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Raymond405: Italo and Chincent you have done a wonderful job by explaining to unbelievers that the Bible did acknowledge purgatory. Unbelievers if you want to understand purgatory, because it's above your human understanding. close your eyes and ask God for understanding before reading the verse I quoted below. make sure that you do it with all sincerity. And I know God will grant you the understanding. But if you refused to do what I said,whether you believe or not, PURGATORY EXIST .PERIOD








1 John 5:16 If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
the Bible is telling us to pray for those who have died, and if they that died sin a sin not unto death, God could hear your prayers and accept such into his kingdom. May God help up all. AMEN

Oga you also need an UNDERSTANDING, yes you need it cos you don't really understand the bible verse you quoted............... I have a QUESTION for you..."Please give me each example of SIN unto DEATH ans SIN not unto DEATH.. Then you'll know that there's nothing like PURGATORY.

Am waiting.............

unongu: Purgatory, is "the condition, process, or place of purification or temporary punishment in which, according to medieval Christian and Roman Catholic belief, the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for heaven. Purgatory (Latin: purgatorium; from purgare, "to purge" has come to refer as well to a wide range of historical and modern conceptions of postmortem suffering short of everlasting damnation." While it is true that the word, as it is, does not appear in the Bible just as a number of other words that we hold sacrosanct today (e.g. the name ‘Bible' was also not found in the early preparation of the scriptures), a place where lesser sins are purged away and the soul eventually saved is mentioned in the Bible. The first mention of Purgatory in the Bible is in 2 Maccabees 12:46: "Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from sin." Granted that the book of Maccabees may not be in Protestant Bibles, but even if it cannot be used doctrinally then it at least has to have some historical worth. In it we can see what the pre-Christian community believed.
The following Bible references on the existence of Purgatory suffice:
"And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." (Matt 12:32). Meaning that sins could actually be forgiven ‘in the age to come'.

"Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny." (Matt 5:26). Now, you will agree with me that in Heaven or Hell, no ‘last penny' is required or accepted, hence, there must be a third place where such last pennies are accepted. Purgatory.

"And the quality of each person's work will be seen when the Day of Christ exposes it. For on that Day fire will reveal everyone's work; the fire will test it and show its real quality. If what was built on the foundation survives the fire, the builder will receive a reward. But if anyone's work is burnt up, then he will lose it, but he himself will be saved, as if he had escaped through the fire". (1Cor 3:13-15). The ‘fire' is no doubt referring to Purgatory.

"...but nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies." (Rev 21:27). This refers to Heaven and the requirements for entering it.
As can be seen from the above Bible references, it is clear that, a place for temporary punishment after we die exists. God will reward or punish according to man's works.

Oga... You're just assuming ok, there's nothing like purgatory........... "And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." (Matt 12:32). Meaning that sins could actually be forgiven ‘in the age to come'
From this scripture you quoted,........ Also remember that Whosoever christ has set free, he/she is free indeed. So forgiveness can only be obtain while we're alive, after death judgement

After death, no more forgiveness even in the world to come.

chincent: " I HAVE SO MUCH TO TELL NAIRALAND PEOPLE, WHICH CAN NOT BE WRITTEN DOWN HERE"

Oga, you have nothing to say. Reasons, 25 december is an assumption not really the day christ was born, everything we needed to know as human has been written in this our own bible but we need an understanding of the word...........though I don't have time for details. SECONDLY, talking about SIN not unto death, OGA as a believer, when you commit that SIN, if you DIE you'll go HEAVEN........not PURGATORY nor HELL. Once again I say, there's NOTHING like PURGATORY it's either HEAVEN or HELL.




I'll like us to explore the examples of sin unto and not unto DEATH.

obadiah777: hell is purgatory and purgatory is in africa as well as any place with negros. but africa is the main place ( ezekiel chapter 20 ). we are in hell whether you choose to believe it or not

Boarding British airways now, going to heaven. *if I hear*

lana_Vello: @tracey...lol..nice one congrats!
Rabbi,gud job...rily tried letting the class last this long....thumbs up. btw,y u spoil king's show on page 980?

No mind her joor... Though it's a sign and warning for my 1000 page.

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Gen 4:18

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Chai!... Omo-daddy spoil show for me oh........

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As I made 980 page, I'll also make 1000 page.

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