Kei144: He. 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,
He. 12:23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect,
He. 12:24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.


I think that there were some things that the early Church (led by Jews) knew that the Romans (gentiles) did not clearly understand when they took over leadership of the Church from the Jews. The Roman Church therefore began to teach doctrines that were corrupted. That is why I see the RCC as the first stage in the evolution of the gentile church. I do not condemn the church; I rather see it as how the gentiles started their Christianity.

The doctrine of purgatory seems to be one of those corrupted doctrines, by which I mean that there may have been a clearer understanding of what happens to spirits (souls) of dead saints (followers of Christ) while they rest in Paradise. Hebrews 12:23 may be alluding to that. We all know that no follower of Christ has yet attained perfection in the land of the living. It is only the followers of Christ that will participate in the rapture that must attain perfection here on earth (Eph 5:27). But Heb 12:23 describes spirits of dead saints already made perfect. The process of purging the spirits of dead saints of their imperfection may be what purgatory is all about. However, the process is definitely nothing like the RCC describes in their doctrine of purgatory.

amara.lizzy%40y:
Bible said is appointd un2 man 2 die once afta death judgement follows. Notin lyk after death purgatory follows.

obadiah777: hell is purgatory and purgatory is in africa as well as any place with negros. but africa is the main place ( ezekiel chapter 20 ). we are in hell whether you choose to believe it or not

Pipsland78:

This dude is really funny. Nowhere in the verses quoted is it suggested that any sin will be forgiven in the world to come. So how did he come about the idea of sins being forgiven in the afterlife?

People should stop assuming and misinterpreting the Bible .

italo: If you have made up your mind, why are you asking?

Wong Fei Hong: Purgatory is d biggest SCAM that hv ever been in d catholic doctrine.No one cn prove that purgatory exists.This doctrine hv been used to scare,cheat & extort catholics who bliv in these faith.Its an efffing pity.U sin & die,u burn in hell 4ever.

obadiah777: yeah you worship the virgin mary and you think you are right thinking ? lmao. deluded fellow

amara.lizzy%40y:
Bible said is appointd un2 man 2 die once afta death judgement follows. Notin lyk after death purgatory follows.

italo:

You surely have not read how God forgave David yet made him pay for the sin.

Deha:
So,what happens after judgement?
Remember the Bible said that "NO SIN WILL GO UNPUNISHED"
Going by this statement,Moses couldnt have been in heaven then,cuz he disobeyed God and therefore was made unpure..Remember Angel Michaels dispute with the Devil? Remember the Devils contention? How do u think Moses was sanctified?
"Nothing impure will enter the Kingdom of God" You think God was joking when He said that? Use ur brain dear child!!

ProfChris10: I am a witness to this, Paul was saying something similar in Rom7:15-24, but in 25 he finally understands the mystery of it all, and it was this same Paul that fought the good fight of faith, he was able to endure till death, the secret is in Christ Jesus, I'm a witness to this, I have tried my power to live righteous but it didn't work, one still finds himself doing what he doesn't like, but thanks be to God, through Christ, you become dead to sin, you no longer have the desires, even when temptation comes Jesus is able to keep us from falling. my point is that we should not put hope in a purgatory, pray God to keep you spotless and blameless, Christ is coming for a spotless and blameless church, without wrinkle. Sometimes the truth is bitter, Nothing unholy shall enter therein, How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation. Though we all are entitled to our own believes. Stay blessed.

chincent: " I HAVE SO MUCH TO TELL NAIRALAND PEOPLE, WHICH CAN NOT BE WRITTEN DOWN HERE"

JMAN05:

there is nothing like purgatory. It is not and cant be proven from the bible.

vickyO: Nothing like purgatory. those Catholics like confusing themselves, that's why you see some of them drinking to stupor in their meetings and doing things that contradicts the doctrines of the Bible. they make themselves believe they can sin till they die and get corrected in purgatory before entering heaven. They are good for being united in the wrong set of doctrines and being blinded by it. better correct most of the dirty doctrines prevalent in your denomination before your behinds land in hades.

Kei144: He. 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly,
He. 12:23 to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect,
He. 12:24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.


I think that there were some things that the early Church (led by Jews) knew that the Romans (gentiles) did not clearly understand when they took over leadership of the Church from the Jews. The Roman Church therefore began to teach doctrines that were corrupted. That is why I see the RCC as the first stage in the evolution of the gentile church. I do not condemn the church; I rather see it as how the gentiles started their Christianity.

The doctrine of purgatory seems to be one of those corrupted doctrines, by which I mean that there may have been a clearer understanding of what happens to spirits (souls) of dead saints (followers of Christ) while they rest in Paradise. Hebrews 12:23 may be alluding to that. We all know that no follower of Christ has yet attained perfection in the land of the living. It is only the followers of Christ that will participate in the rapture that must attain perfection here on earth (Eph 5:27). But Heb 12:23 describes spirits of dead saints already made perfect. The process of purging the spirits of dead saints of their imperfection may be what purgatory is all about. However, the process is definitely nothing like the RCC describes in their doctrine of purgatory.

glamoureze: exactly. God forgave David and made him pay for his sins. so when David died. he'll still go to purgatory to pay again. haba our God is a merciful God nau

LIFE AND DEATH: I greet you friend, (SORRY, I MAY SOUND A LITTLE OUT OF PLACE BUT......)

I want to thank you for your time because the fact that you are reading this line means you have offered me your time.

As you are on the internet I urge u to be closer to any news or article about the building of the Temple in Jerusalem.
I just discovered the urgency about this. I have been hearing of bible prophecies being fulfilled, but I think the most shocking aspect of them yet is just about to be fulfilled.

Take time and visit this site: http://www.raptureforums.com/Signs/50reasons.cfm

Have you read about the 7yr peace treaty (covenant) to be signed between Israel and a certain world ruler, yet to be revealed. That treaty is about to be signed.

Read Dan 9:27 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[a] In the middle of the ‘seven’[b] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[c] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[d]”[e]

Why a peace treaty?

The answer should be clear: the Jews and the Arabs (predominantly Muslims), their neighbors, have been sworn enemies right from history, but let me quickly add that we will yet see real hostilities.
Know what? As you are reading this, the Jews are already in advanced stages of procuring furniture and materials for the new temple. Ask me where this temple will be located. The location will be at the exact point where the Muslim dome of the rock (second most important Islamic sacred places) is situated, at the TEMPLE MOUNT in Jerusalem.
As far as the Jews are concerned the dome must give way because that is where the original Solomon’s temple was and then the reconstructed temple by Nehemiah.
As zealous as the Muslims, are only over their dead bodies will the dome give way – note that there have been other serious political issues between these nations.
Pls try and imagine what “fire works” we are expecting. As it is now the whole world is focused on the middle east, and if you don’t know it yet, know now that the tone of world’s peace and security is determined by the fallouts of what is going on in that region.
Matt 24:6.7 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom……………

You can now see why the world rulers will consider it a necessity to somehow contrive a kind of peace treaty over there.
Immediately after the treaty signing, the world as we know it will enter its final 7 yrs. These are the years as covered in Rev4-19 also Dan 9:27 27 He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’[a] In the middle of the ‘seven’[b] he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the temple[c] he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.[d]”[e] And Matt 24:15-30 15 “So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16 …............
…………29 “Immediately after the distress of those days
“‘the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’[b]
30 “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
Just before all these begin to happen 1Thes4:16,17 and Matt 24:36-41 will be fulfilled. THE RAPTURE!!!!
1Thes4:16,17 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

Matt 24:36-41 36 “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[f] but only the Father. 37 As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41 Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.

But, friend, this is where my worry is: As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. Matt 24:37-39

Do you notice the level of ignorance of people to these facts?!!!!!!

I gave my life to Jesus to avoid being caught unawares and left behind during the rapture. What about you?

To give your life to Jesus you must do the following:

Realise that you are a sinner by birth.
Realise that because of your sin you are condemned to perish in hell
Believe that Jesus died to save you from the consequences of sin (eternal death by hell)
Accept Jesus in your life as your lord and saviour by saying the following prayer:

Lord Jesus I thank you for giving me this opportunity to be saved. I’m sorry for all the days I have lived in sin. I ask you now to come into my life to be my lord and saviour.
Thank you lord for saving me. In Jesus’ name. Amen.

If you said the prayer above, then congratulations and welcome into the household of God. You are rapture ready.



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unongu: Purgatory, is "the condition, process, or place of purification or temporary punishment in which, according to medieval Christian and Roman Catholic belief, the souls of those who die in a state of grace are made ready for heaven. Purgatory (Latin: purgatorium; from purgare, "to purge" has come to refer as well to a wide range of historical and modern conceptions of postmortem suffering short of everlasting damnation." While it is true that the word, as it is, does not appear in the Bible just as a number of other words that we hold sacrosanct today (e.g. the name ‘Bible' was also not found in the early preparation of the scriptures), a place where lesser sins are purged away and the soul eventually saved is mentioned in the Bible. The first mention of Purgatory in the Bible is in 2 Maccabees 12:46: "Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from sin." Granted that the book of Maccabees may not be in Protestant Bibles, but even if it cannot be used doctrinally then it at least has to have some historical worth. In it we can see what the pre-Christian community believed.
The following Bible references on the existence of Purgatory suffice:
"And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come." (Matt 12:32). Meaning that sins could actually be forgiven ‘in the age to come'.

"Amen, I say to you, you will not be released until you have paid the last penny." (Matt 5:26). Now, you will agree with me that in Heaven or Hell, no ‘last penny' is required or accepted, hence, there must be a third place where such last pennies are accepted. Purgatory.

"And the quality of each person's work will be seen when the Day of Christ exposes it. For on that Day fire will reveal everyone's work; the fire will test it and show its real quality. If what was built on the foundation survives the fire, the builder will receive a reward. But if anyone's work is burnt up, then he will lose it, but he himself will be saved, as if he had escaped through the fire". (1Cor 3:13-15). The ‘fire' is no doubt referring to Purgatory.

"...but nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies." (Rev 21:27). This refers to Heaven and the requirements for entering it.
As can be seen from the above Bible references, it is clear that, a place for temporary punishment after we die exists. God will reward or punish according to man's works.

italo:

You will see more options if you can answer these questions honestly and clearly.

1. Does anyone suffer loss or pass through fire in heaven?

2. Is anyone saved in hell?

3. Are sins forgiven in heaven or hell?

obadiah777: i am a multitasker. i manage two duties. am a mod and a troll

donezra: As for the issue of purgatory, We all know it wasn't mention in the Bible. Yes Purgatory wasn't mention in the Bible.
But it exist. lemme proof it.

2 Macabees 12:46.
It says it is a holy and homsome thought to pray for the dead so that they may be loosed from sin.

The question now is; if someone dies and go to heaven, will there be need for this prayer? I guess NO cuz he is without sin that's why he is in heaven.
Another question. If someone dies and goes to hell, will there be need for this prayer. I think no cuz his sins can't be forgiven in hell.
It is only in this place called Purgatory that his sins can be purged away. It has no specific duration how long you will have to stay there. It is by our prayer that there souls are librated.
That was the significance of the All Souls day which was celebrated on Saturday.

salvarhymes: [color=#000099][/color]

my dear, let me tell u guys what u dnt knw. In catholicism, purgatory exists but in Christianity it doesn't exist. Nw, i knw u r a little confused if the two religions r different. D ansa is yes. Jst make some research 4 urself. It is nt enough to bliv whatever u r told in church. D catholic worship is different frm Christianity jst like we hav Buddhism, voodooism, etc. In Christianity, it is either heaven or hell and both of dem exists bt nt in dis earth. Hebrew 9:27 says it is appointed unto man to die once, after that comes judgement. There is no grace or repentance after death. D only time som people wil b granted d grace to make up their ways is after d first rapture. And, that grace is jst for those our fore-fathers who didn't hear d gospel of Christ at all. It is nt 4 u and i who knw d truth bt refused to listen. So, if u wanna knw everytin, add me on fb @ ubogu salvation. Or 08135195815

Sunny nedu: purgatory of a thing is a full package of deception and blainwashing,