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Dpharisee:
I Aljazeera is not different from CNN, MSNBC, EURONEWS, BBC on every other topic except when it concerns Palestinians, they lie so much and twist the narrative only in favour of Palestinians, they will constantly show gory videos of dead Palestinian children but will never show videos of HAMAS militants hacking an Israeli citizen to death.

Aljazeera is also against Africans but support western imperialists for the benefit of their Qatari owners, remember how Aljazeera was the mouthpiece of terrorist groups in the destruction of Libya and murder of Muamar Gaddafi 🙄
They will refer to the military rulers of SAHEL States as 'Junta' and asking for return to democracy but their Qatari owners are unelected and undemocratic rulers, what utter hypocrisy called Aljazeera

I’m not saying Al Jazeera isn’t biased, I mean in the Palestinian conflict you have to watch both Al Jazeera for what CNN and co won’t show and watch CNN and do for what Al Jazeera will never show. If Africa wants a fair shake, then African media houses must have their servers in Africa and report from their perspective.
Al Jazeera will report based on the interests of its Qatari owners like all media do.

Dpharisee:
I saw videos on RT of Iranian missiles hitting targets in Israel since western media is not giving us the other sides of the story.
Now I know why they are desperate to prevent us from getting alternative information from Russia and African media, David Hundeyin African Stream has been removed from Facebook, Instagram and YouTube accused of giving 'misinformation' to Africans as if we are daft, meaning that they don't want us to go beyond CNN and BBC for information on international happenings.

I don't support Iran, my bias is even in favour of Israel but I don't like half truths from the western media

Al Jazeera and Middle East Eye show you what they don’t want you to see.

Also, examine your bias in favor of Israel in light of what you just experienced with the western treatment of African Stream.

Botragelad:
Will terrorists ever wise up? Thinking they'll achieve anything by targeting random Israelis? Iran's latest show of force against Israel, just like before, yielded nothing.

Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, same reckless actions and shame. They make a celebration over minor attacks, accomplishing zilch, but when Israel gives them a good scolding in return, suddenly it's a 'genocide'!

Wait for some while; their narrative will shift from being happy to crying on the Media space. Stay tuned, folks!

As if you scum are better than the people you call terrorists. Lmao. At least they aren’t cowards hiding behind america while whining like victims. Like your Nazi counterparts call you; vermin.

Botragelad:
Source;
https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/israel/defense/artc-eight-dead-and-seven-injured-in-terrorist-attack-in-tel-aviv-jaffa

Lmao

blueAgent:
As usual, always punching above their weight.

Yes, they are always punching above their weight.

blueAgent:
Mr I too Know.

When would you explain origin of Life and power of death?

When you send me your tithes.

Agba7617:
Sometimes I feel really sad. It's been reduced to nothing but Joke. Joke . I mean serious joke

It has always been a joke!!! Seriously dude!

Just think about it in colloquial terms instead of religious terms:
A ghost f#cked a virgin who gave birth to a Jew who came to die for you. Why? Because two naked simpletons were convinced by a talking snake to eat a fruit thereby making the god of the Hebrews mad. This offense is then passed down to generations of humans through the sperm. Literal and allegorical bullshit.

That’s before we even get into the nonsensical stories, the Jew that is nothing more than a cult leader, and the meaningless/megalomaniacal bullshit he says in the stories.

kenny714433:
Clowns everywhere calling themselves pastors. He Probably just finished SS3 and started carrying the Bible to deceive more clowns.


Thank God for the Catholic Church.

These protestants would end the Church in Nigeria. People are beginning to realise their scam antics..

The day I leave the Catholic Church is the day I'll stop being a Christian.

As if cult of the child fucking scammers of Rome is any different. A Catholic criticizing anyone else has to be mad!

hopefulLandlord:
a god that got to scared of a tower being built that he scattered the plan but today we do space travel and he seems okay with that,

Many moons ago before I understood allegories, this story is what made me ask “WTF” is this Bible nonsense. Lol

Agba7617:
Una Play no too much?

Christianity is now a Joke. A child's play.

It has always been a joke. This pastor isn’t different or an anomaly.

God1000:
US provided the bombs and planes used in the assassination but they claimed israel didn't inform them in advance

Capitalism and hypocrisy sums up America.

Earth: exists for billions of years

Delusional narcissistic Humans: the end of the world is coming!!

Earth: huh, what? Silly monkeys, your end is coming. I’m not ending anytime soon.

…….Uncertain future date

Earth: I kind of miss those talking monkeys. Delusional lot thought I was ending!!!! Lmao

Dcaliphate:
There were a lot of dignitaries present at the event. Besides that, even God in heaven is well guarded by the Cherabium & Seraphim

What is god scared of? Lmao

And they say crime doesn’t pay. Lmao

Partners in crime.

“ Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.”

This signature always makes me laugh. The guy came to earth to quickly to be a “god who tells stories” in Hollywood.

“Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who made movies.”

SIRTee15:
calm down, no hard feelings.
dont let your emotions overtake your sense of rationality.
If u see the truth, embrace it.

Lol, he said ‘calm down” as if the comment was a display of emotion and not detached indifference to his nonsense.

They still do this stupid shit?!!

triplechoice:
I haven't argued for the profoundness of their "musings" whatever it's. You brought this up and still bringing it to deflect from why I called you out at first on this same thread.

I asked ,

are you not aware that biblical stories aren't taken as literally true by some?

You didn't give a direct answer to that and you still haven't. In fact you actually condemned the stories making it seem as if they're factual accounts that happened to real people and caused them pain and so ,nobody should be retelling them.

And I replied that, even though they're deserving of condemnation they were used to encode certain messages by the people who invented them . They're mythical stories. That's all
I'm sure you haven't forgotten all these that happened between the two of us at the beginning before you started to further deflect into other things to create confusion?


. I didn't say "some things in the Bible represent something symbolically. I said biblical stories like the story of Adam and eve and how the world was created were never invented to be taken as literally true. I have used the exact descriptive word I used at first.
Now ,show me where I said what you imagined I said above?
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You're in denial my friend. So you were mocking together with the "infantile and the insane" you directed at the op? You sure do have a very odd way of mocking others. And what does "the promise land" represent for the op? Tell me without Google search.

BTW what's even the point or how does it make sense mocking someone who has made it clear what he wants to do with he wants to narrate?

Is it not that you want to mischievously cast him in the coinage of a fanatical christian who take Biblical stories as true so you mock him for believing in talking snake or earth, which are atheists favourite weapon used in mocking Christians

And yes, you actually did that.
I have closed the matter. Focus on the Op please and let's stop derailing.

Enough of your verbose nonsense.

SIRTee15:
Ok he be like say U are more honest than your colleagues.
U admitted bible spoke against slavery but also spoke for it.
So then we can have a honest debate unlike your dishonest colleagues who tore off pages of the bible they don't like and only want to talk about passages that push their sinister agenda.
They are no different from American slave masters who also removed pages of the bible they dont like;(threatens their slave business)b4 handing it to slaves.

I'm a sincere and open person, a truth seeker. I'm very much open to alternative ideology even if it antagonize my belief. The issue it whoever presenting it must equally be open and sincere.
I didn't find it in adeniyi the monicker who started this thread.

Slavery was very much established in the constitution given to Israelites and very much rampant during early Christian ministry- almost 20% of the Roman population were slaves.
The question we should ask is why was it acceptable then and not now.
I will explain later.

I have no colleagues.
Save your explanation. Not remotely interested in your musings.

SIRTee15:
Present your argument or shut up.
Don't waste anybody's time here.
Your friend brought a so called logical argument praising abolitionist for ending slavery but couldn't explain why the same abolitionists used the bible as motivation to end slavery.

Your other colleague jaephonix claimed it was king George that ended slavery but didn't know same person was the head of the church at his time and criticized those who used the bible to justify slavery.
To make things worse, he compared war against slavery to someone beating his wife.

Bunch of illogical jokers claiming atheist. Simple and basic research U won't do.

Una saving grace be internet. None of U can stand me for 5 minutes face to face in any theological argument.

This is the 3rd page of this debate but none of them could answer any of my 2 simple questions.

Why are you giving yourself agita?
The Bible was used to justify slavery and was also used to oppose slavery. There is probably more support for slavery in the book than opposition to it. There’s nothing to argue about unless you are the type of Christian who bends over backwards to deny the obvious. Even then your claims can be disregarded.

SIRTee15:
All your shalaye means nothing. If U want to enter the arena, come with logical argument not ones coated with emotions.

Lmao, the bloody irony!! Person whose position is wholly based on irrational, illogical, blatant nonsense talking about a logical argument.

triplechoice:
All of the above is not relevant to why I called you out the first time. So I'm not answering them .Just focus on the main issue so we don't detail the thread.

But don't bother because I can see already thar you're not interested in any sincere conversation but just looking for anything to troll with.

Vagueness doesn’t allow for sincere conversation as evidenced by the “spiritual paths” that “some” choose. They waffle in order to conceal that their musings are pure piffle.

triplechoice:
And I asked again, if it's common knowledge that the Bible symbolically represents certain ideas for some outside christianity why were you acting as if you don't know this by forcing your own literal interpretation to what was being presented as that?

Of course it’s common knowledge that some things in the Bible represent something symbolically for people outside, and also within, Christianity. You are the one acting as if it’s a new discovery.

It was glaringly obvious that my literal interpretation of “land filled with milk and honey” was mockery. Regardless of the mockery, the phrase simply means a fertile land for farming, which of course is mundane. But keep the delusion going though.

StillDtruth:
It is you who is so evil that of course every Judgment against evil people like you makes you shout out in pain and frustration like a thief on the day He is Caught red handed for you thought you were too smart and had escaped with your crimes.

Which reasonable person cannot see that a good Ruler must be an enemy of evil and is a Just Judge who must give damages to a complainant?

Only atheists do not appreciate Law, Just is and.Judgment.

Bla bla bla.

jaephoenix:
Yahweh clearly instructed Israelites to raid cities and capture their citizens for slavery, and take their virgins for themselves. That is forced labor and sexual assault
Keep dodging the truth

Christians and Jews (inherently duplicitous) are so delusional. They can see all the atrocities in Islam and can open their mouths to criticize people like Boko Haram; BUT, the bloodlust and madness in their religion are glossed over and excused.
They will rightly criticize Boko Haram, but when the same behavior is pointed out in their scriptures, they twist themselves into pretzels trying to justify the same behavior.

If one isn’t delusional and read some of those so called scriptures, one would realize that the Hebrew god is a repulsive creature created by greedy people, Moses would be called a terrorist, and Jesus would be viewed, ACCURATELY, as nothing more than a cult leading charlatan.

adeniyi65:
Islam tried to mitigate or subdue in some cases. But it still accept having non believers as slavery but regulates their treatment. My question still remain, why should God who creates human want some in captivity of others. Irrespective of how lenient Islam stand on slavery, nothing is there to write about on the subjugation of girl/women right. It's like both religions have their different concentration on horror.

If abolitionist haven't fought tooth and nail to end slavery. Religion might still be smiling at it today. Thank you.

The answer is simple. Avaricious and violent types found the use of force to steal the labor and property of others to be a beneficial thing for them. They made slavery a standard their religions and customs to protect their own selfish interests. A god allows what its creators agree with; therefore, the god in the Bible’s character is a reflection of the people that created it.
The sooner you realize that gods are just characters in stories or are just plain old nonsense, the quicker you can solve your dilemma.
In short, god didn’t say shit.

triplechoice:
I won't be replying to your other lengthy reply because they're not relevant to the main issue I raised which you have succeeded in deflecting from with your numerous strawman arguments that has resulted in you asking the above question which is not in anyway related to the topic of Judaism having a different viewpoint to biblical stories. However I will touch on some of the things you said.

Lol, the one with the straw man arguments is you.

triplechoice:
You have finally admitted above , in the reply I said was lengthy,after pretending, that you know this fact about Judaism when you asked, "who doesn't that know Judaism has a different viewpoint"?

You assumed that the differences between Judaism and Christianity was unknown to me, which is funny because it is common knowledge. Lol, seriously!

triplechoice:
If it's true you truly know it, why harassing the Op at the beginning who wanted to present something that agrees with that you claim to know so well?

He is about to put out his own ideas about Judaism and I can mock it all I want. Why is the even a discussion?!

triplechoice:
I don't believe you're telling the truth. You're only claiming to know it after the fact and there's evidence to prove this.

I wouldn’t put much stock into what you believe.

triplechoice:
When the Op personified the earth as "giving mud and sticks" , you immediately picked on that to label him as "infantile and insane" when in fact, going by your behaviour there, you're the one who perfectly fits that description as you don't know that a metaphoric statement requires a non literal interpretation.

It is infantile and insane; which also applies to you. What is the of the metaphor supposed to convey? “Mud and stick magically turned into flesh and bone when the god breathed into the nostrils of the mud-stick man” lol, that’s the type bullshit he has in mind.
Mud and stick! What a joke. He should also add grass. Mud, stick, and fucking grass. Lol

triplechoice:
So going by the above,how do you then reconcile your behavior towards the Op with what you just admitted about Judaism, that it has a different viewpoint to biblical stories ?

Lmao, the op was never about Judaism’s viewpoint, which can also be varied like every other religion. It’s about the op giving his own peculiar viewpoint about Judaism based on his understanding of symbolism. You are the one that introduced ATR, Buddhism, and Christianity into the topic.

triplechoice:
As for the question you asked me about ATR, I won't be answering them.

Of course you won’t!! There is no ATR. Now, if you want to pick a certain belief from the continent to illustrate, you are welcome to. I deleted the rest of the verbose nonsense.

triplechoice:
And finally, it's your own baseless opinion that their secret teachings are nonsense or bullshit
Since you started saying that, not for once have you provided relevant data to support your criticism.

Their teachings, if fantastic, are inherently nonsense. If the teaching is allegorical, the interpretation is ALWAYS mundane. I do not have to provide any relevant data that their beliefs are baseless. If their teachings could stand up to scrutiny they wouldn’t rely on cloaks and daggers. All that razzle dazzle just fools the gullible; like you.

triplechoice:
Meaning that,you have been speculating wildly about what you're in the dark about and using it to mock as if you know something. SMH.

I’m not speculating or in the dark. I just don’t give no quarters to fantasy. I can mock because their beliefs are absurd. There is nothing profound about the conmen and their secrecy.

triplechoice:
If you don't want to focus main issue, please let's end this conservation as we have been derailing the thread no thanks to your uncountable deflections.

You are the one that attempted to derail the thread by playing lawyer to the insane.

triplechoice:
I have explained to the extent I wanted to explain but you're not seeing it because the word, vague appears to be the only thing that readily comes to your mind when you read them. In any case I just explained they're not relevant. It's distracting from the main thing.

You didn’t explain anything. Vague describes your claims perfectly.

triplechoice:
The "some" I said are spiritual paths that don't take the stories or fantastic tales which they tell as literally true. I won't mention names here. If you want to know as around or search for them yourselves

Vaaaaaaggggggggguuuuuueeeeeeeee.

triplechoice:
Their membership cuts across, both the mighty and the ordinary. Your friend , neighbor etc. But ,I have asked you to start with ATR
Oh , you said you're in is position to know. So why asking me what you should know?

MY LEPRECHAUN IS ALSO A MEMBER.

Stay with ATR, he says. Then he says:

triplechoice:
As for the question you asked me about ATR, I won't be answering them.

triplechoice:
Mainstream scientists said so before neural plasticity was observed in the brain of Buddhist monks who are adept in meditating for far longer hours. You can research and come back to prove me wrong. I will be waiting.
Thank you.

The phrase “mainstream scientist” is enough to disregard your claims. Regardless, neural plasticity and meditation are not fantastic so what is your point? Now if the Buddhist or you claim that some fantastic elements are involved in neural plasticity, then it would be bullshit.

mp3ree:
But your Quran was written cos of them

Myopic creature, there are people in this world that don’t venerate demented abrahamic nonsense.

[quote author=Morbeta11 post=132154949][/quote]Worthless Jew vermin brags while hiding behind American and British guns.

Royalty: The other long-lived scam.

Botragelad:
Iran's showing some fear here, and it's laughable. They've been backing terrorists to attack Israel, yet they claim not to want a war with Israel.

The Israeli Air Force is currently annihilating Hezbollah targets, taking out key figures hiding in Lebanon. By the time Israel's done, those buildings will be left with nothing but rubble. They had plenty of chances to stop their antics, but they thought they could just spin their usual propaganda online after attacking Israel. Not this time. Enemies of Israel will face total destruction.

There will be another, well deserved, holocaust within your lifetime with you and yours maimed or killed. Keep going. Dead Jews littering synagogues is in the near future. You vermin already live in fear and it warms my heart to see just how much security the synagogue down the block from me needs to feel safe. Fucking hilarious.

triplechoice:
Not original in the sense you
think of . I don't need to repeat myself because I already explained what I meant by original when compared with Christianity. Christianity is a misrepresentation of Judaism and that's why adherents there don't have much regard for Christians .They mock them as foolish . And that may be one of the reasons we have more Christians in neighboring Palestine than in Israel [\quote]

Given your definition of what’s original and what’s unoriginal, there is still no difference because the claims remain fantastic. Judaism is inherently hateful so their behavior is not surprising to me and their disregard of Christianity is inconsequential to me.

[quote author=triplechoice post=132137874]I did. I mentioned initiates and non initiates. The process for initiation in these other groups is not the same as baptism in Christianity. And so , it's wrong to label them as fantastic when you have no single clue about what they do or teach their members. There"re some religious groups or spiritual paths that are almost atheistic in the way they operate. Atheist who are unaware of this fact are the ones who take delight in generalising that every religion is the same.

Name, compare, and contrast instead of referring to vague groups. I can label them fantastic when they make fantastic claims. Nevertheless, being atheistic doesn’t prevent the belief in fantastic ideas as seen in Buddhism. Take the last part up with atheists who say every religion is the same. I’m not one.

triplechoice:
Modern Buddhism,for instance has no concept of a supreme deity they belief in or worship and there's also no hell fire.But most atheist here like to talk of a Buddhist God or hell when trying to compare it with Christianity.

Discuss it with the atheists.

triplechoice:
I read that almost all the time here. Visit most of the threads created by atheist on this board to criticize religion in general and see how they only focus on Christianity or Islam because that's the only thing they know and are familiar with . Even ATR in their backyard they don't know.

What is this so called “African Traditional Religion” you speak of? Christianity and Islam qualify as “traditional religion” when you think of it. Isn’t Christianity essentially European Traditional Religion? Nevertheless, of course they would focus on what they are familiar with because the ones they are unfamiliar with or weren’t indoctrinated into have already been categorically dismissed; therefore what they are left to grapple with are the familiar or the ones they have been indoctrinated into.

triplechoice:
"Yes, they're all made up but not made up exactly the same way for you to generalise about them . I think you just don't want to accept that apart from Islam or Christianity, there's nothing much you know of any other spiritual paths or religion.

You are wrong, I don’t know much about Islam but I don’t need to know much of what they belief to disregard a religion. So called spiritual paths or religion are based on some philosophy or the other and a bunch of fantastic elements. The philosophy may be sound or unsound, while the fantastic elements can be disregarded outright unless the can interpret any allegorical meaning.

triplechoice:
If you know ,I will see it. . What you have been doing is to reference the Christianity and its practices each time you want to give an example of what a religion or spiritual path should be. I am yet to see any evidence that you know much apart from Christianity.

I also used the Judaism you seem to favor, which is appropriate given the op.

triplechoice:
.But of course, what you know about those representations is what you have read from a book or Googled which is not enough to make you understand it the way it should be understood just like those directly involved in it.

If I gathered you and nine of those directly involved in it, I would get 13 different ideas presented as the right understanding.

triplechoice:
2. I never wrote vaguely, but only talk about it from the surface level.

So……….you spoke vaguely.

triplechoice:
I mentioned ATR as the place to go to if you want to know how people through spiritual practices align themselves with certain forces in nature and what they truly believe in different from what the public assumes.

What is this African Traditional Religion you speak of and what are “spiritual practices”? What are the “certain forces in nature”?

triplechoice:
You don't expect me to detail for you what I have been privileged to know through close association on a public forum like this, what they keep as close guarded secret.

Secrecy in religion is the attempt to make the mundane and the ridiculous appear profound.

triplechoice:
That will be irresponsible behaviour and a betrayal of trust. If you want to know get closer to them, and if need be get an initiation so all is reveal to you and be shocked about what others know that you don't.

Whatever. The idea that these conmen know something unique or have some insight is a joke. I don’t need an initiation to know that.

triplechoice:
If you had truly undertaken enough investigation of ATR, you wouldn't have mentioned some of the things you have said so far here. I didn't describe ATR as anything. I only mentioned it to highlight the fact that what they believe in and practice is unlike Judaism which you assume I am venerating and placed above every other one. I don't rate Judaism as much as you think.[\quote]

You haven’t even specified what this ATR talk less of whatever investigation you undertook.

[quote author=triplechoice post=132137874]You mentioned the Catholic Church because that's the only one you think is closer to what I have explained.

Well, they are the most successful con so they remain a good example.

triplechoice:
If I value Judaism so much as you assume,I will do t everything to join them . But I'm not interested. There's a reason I mentioned them and I don't need to repeat myself. Or have you forgotten so soon how this conversation started?

Still, you fail to show how it’s so called originality sets it apart from Christianity.

triplechoice:
You don't have any access to it and so not in a position to qualify as nonsense what you're unaware of. Your bullshit description is baseless.

I’m in a very valid position to qualify it as nonsense. Fantastic claims are inherently wild and baseless. There is nothing fantastic about my view.

triplechoice:
1. Judaism is not a perfect example of what I have been explaining

You haven’t explained anything.

triplechoice:
When I talked of initiation secrets I never had judaism in mind but AT R and some other paths i haven't mentioned . There's not much hidden in judaism. What they believe in and practice is for the most part accessible to the public..

How do you know that there isn’t much hidden in Judaism. It has its “secrets” too!! Still don’t know what your ATR is.

triplechoice:
I will remind you again that the only reason I mentioned Judaism was to let you know they have a different viewpoint to biblical narratives recorded in the old testament. That's all.

So what? Who doesn’t know that Judaism has a different view of the so called Old Testament?

triplechoice:
Hehehehe. No they're not that, but people who have earn the right to know certain secrets about life which they use for their own benefit and those close to them.

Lmao. Secret nonsense.

triplechoice:
That's exactly the point I'm driving at but you're not paying attention and like distracted student in class you have gotten it all wrong . The originator of the stories in the Bible never meant for their work to be taken as literally true. Christians were the ones who started the nonsense of giving a literal interpretation to what they shouldn't and that's why groups like the creationist movement have sprung up and been searching stupidly for evidence of the garden of Eden in the middle east.

Why act as if literal interpretation of religious stories is somehow unique to Christianity?

triplechoice:
The promised land claims in Judaism has been used and still being used for land grabbing by political leaders in Israel.

So they are using it as originally intended and how it has been used by other avaricious types. What’s the difference between these genocidal Israelis and the people searching for the garden of eden? Haven’t both decided on literal interpretations?

triplechoice:
I believe it's not the same thing the Op has in mind. I'm familiar with what he wants to discuss about the "symbolic promised land" from having read about it in a book very long time ago. I may be wrong though. It's possible he has another interpretation. So let's hear from him first before jumping into conclusions.

Again, I’m not preventing him from writing whatever bullshit he wants.