triplechoice: Entity suggest a being while force is synonymous with energy and that's what I'm talking about.
Do you mean energy the same way physicists describe it?
triplechoice: I said you not paying attention. What I explained was something I said the ancients proposed So the talk of them acquiring enough knowledge about dark matter and dark energy doesn't apply to them . May be you want to resurrect them to teach about what's currently known in the sciences.
Frankly, you haven’t explained anything but make vague claims.
triplechoice: Which of the "some "did I specify for you?
Which is why I asked which “some” you are referring to.
triplechoice: You should understand that sometimes before science comes to provide rational explanation for phenomenon there are people who already have what is labeled as spiritual explanation in some quarters for the same thing but not detailed enough to be taken as scientific explanation.
For instance, long before science accepted the possiblity of neural plasticity in the brain, Buddhist monks already knew through their meditative practices that it was possible to effect changes in one's brain to change behavior or learn new things way past the age scientists once believed it was no longer possible for that to happen.
So, am I supposed to be impressed by the observation that is apparent? Pray tell, who are these scientists who once believed it’s impossible to learn things past certain age.
triplechoice: My friend, truth is not the exclusive preserve of any group . Chinua Achebe the late popular story teller, said in his book , Things fall apart " that "life is like a masquerade dance. If you want to enjoy the show you don't stand in one place "[/quote{
What’s with the strawman and what does this have to do with anything?
[quote author=triplechoice post=132137874]I see that you have chosen a position from which you want to view all of life from and don't care if you "enjoy the show" like others want to . Enjoy yourself if that's what you want. i
Oh, I am enjoying the show. What position do you speak of?
triplechoice: I said "force" not entity. So we're not saying the same thing.
Whether “force” or “entity”; I still don’t know what you’re talking about.
triplechoice: The visible universe is no doubt expanding .Science has confirmed that for us already . But the question is ,what's behind this expansion?
The same method of acquiring knowledge that resulted in the discovery will be the same method that answers the question. Maybe when they acquire enough knowledge about dark matter and dark energy astronomy present an idea.
triplechoice: What is the exact nature of this force or energy ,which some have described as intelligent, that's responsible for the ever expanding universe?
Which “some” have described this force or energy as intelligent? Do these “some” have any expertise in astronomy. I doubt it.
triplechoice: 1. I used the word, false, because both Christianity and Islam are false representation of the original they copied from.
Oh really?! So Judaism that they borrowed from is original?
triplechoice: 2. Your "so called Initiates" description tells me you're still using what you know of Islam and Christianity especially, to interprete what I already explained about Initiates and non initiates of "authentic" or original spiritual paths .
You didn’t explain anything nor did you mention any “authentic” or “original spiritual paths”. Whether you consider them “false” or “authentic”, at the end of the day, they are all fantastic.
triplechoice: And there"re no such congruence that you have imagined. Yes both might share some belief but the understanding is never the same. While the non initiates are made to believe a real god or gods exist, in,the initiates who are well informed know that no such deities exist exactly they way it's described within the group. Deities in ART are simply a personification of forces in nature which the try to align themselves with through certain ritual practices.
Of course there is congruence. Since it’s all made up, some will naturally agree with each other while others disagree.
triplechoice: Deities in ART are simply a personification of forces in nature which the try to align themselves with through certain ritual practices.
Claims like the above are simply jargon unless you explain these “forces in nature” and how these people “align themselves through certain ritual practices”. I’m aware of a few personifications of nature represented in religion and if I were to give an example, I wouldn’t write vaguely like you did.
triplechoice: You will have to undertake an investigation of some of these other groups to understand better what I have been explaining . You can start from Judaism or ART. Christianity won't help you at all.
I’ve undertaken enough investigation to know that Judaism or ART isn’t less fantastic than the others. There is no hierarchy of validity in religion so your ridiculous veneration of judaism is absurd.
triplechoice: Your mention of the Catholic Church proves right what I said about you above. You're still seeing things through the lens of Christianity.
The Catholic happen to be the most successful of these ideas and my use of them is because of the well know pomp and pageantry. They are the perfect example of pretending that the mundane is profound. I could use the rabbinate and their Midrash as another example of such behavior since you value Judaism so much
triplechoice: Yes, it's possible to stumble on some initiation secrets of these other groups through close association with its initiates,but not enough to know everything that goes on within the inner circle.
It’s all bullshit! That’s the point. The so called imitation secrets do not matter
triplechoice: And if you have the courage to tell them what you have discovered about what they do secretly,they will never admit or confirm it for you.
It doesn’t matter what they do secretly or if they confirm or deny. I don’t care what the initiates of Judaism believe when I know their claims are fantastic. And if they also acknowledge “secretly” that their claims are fanciful, then the only people they are fooling would be the laity and other gullible people.
triplechoice: It's deserving of condemnation to the modern public who don't know the true purposes for those narration.
So the initiates are conmen? Yea?
triplechoice: And no, the messages won't be distorted. What we can learn from snow-white, Macbeth or even more Harry Potter is never distorted by what we read or watch.
But no one claims Snow White, Macbeth, Harry Potter are real. No one creates and sustains conflict using them as support neither so they are poor comparisons.
But the ideas in Judaism such as the “promised land” nonsense can be taken literally (like the apartheid state does) or “symbolically” like the OP claims he does.
triplechoice: I see where you're coming from, but try to understand that, apart from Islam and Christianity which are both false religious constructs, every other religion or most of them hold on to two messages or storyline,one for the public and the other for the initiates.
I don’t think the idea of “false religious construct” is valid given that there is no criteria to determine whats a false or true religion. Regarding the varied ideas held by the public and the initiates, we can also argue that there is congruence amongst their beliefs and even intra-group divisions as seen when the so called initiates start disagreeing about doctrine.
triplechoice: If you're not an initiate of some of these religious groups or spiritual paths that hide their true teachings from the public, you won't accept what they tell you is the actual meaning behind the tale they tell non initiates like yourself.
You can always discover what they belief and what they symbolism and allegories mean. Regardless, their attempts at secrecy and mystery is nothing but an attempt to turn the mundane or anbsurd into the profound. The Catholic Church is favorite example of this
triplechoice: It won't make sense to you because your innocent mind just can't accept that a story that's deserving of condemnation should be used by anyone to pass across a positive message. But that's what they do and will continue to do.
If the story is deserving of condemnation, then whatever message it aims to send will be distorted. It’s a successful con so it will continue.
triplechoice: Creation stories,AKA origin myths were used by the ancients to teach people of those times that the world has a begining and that it has proceeded from a singular intelligent force which is still sustaining it . The nature of this force,it was believed by them, is to seek for expansion in the visible universe ,bringing with it the evolution of every single life form it has "created"
In other words, there's no God that created the world. The singular force which is responsible for the "creation " and expansion and still expanding universe is what was personified by the ancients as God.
This is the staggering truth the average religious person whose mind has been programmed to worship an imaginary diety he thinks exist somewhere will never accept..
That’s just one school of thought amongst many. Some also had the idea that this singular entity was a combination of three essences (the Christian trinity is a corruption of this) etc.
Regardless, everything is a part of the same fabric ,call it universe or god or whatever else. That much is obvious. It’s not really their fault that they have been programmed but it’s irksome when the programming requires them to spread the ignorance.
sonmvayina: We will start the journey from Egypt (Ignorance of self) to the promised land (knowledge of self and higher consciousness) this weekend...
Stay tuned
1.) Why denote Egypt as ignorance and the “promised land” as knowledge?
2.) What kind of ideology begins by denigrating some other people out of the gate?!!
3.) If the “promised land” is really symbolism why are some European Jews and Christians before them taking it literally instead of realizing that it’s just “symbolism”?
sonmvayina: Genesis 1-3 describe the creation of the universe and in particular the earth. Whether you believe in evolution or creation, you are right....
Compare “creation” to “creation”. Comparing one particular story of so called creation to evolution is a false dichotomy and evolution is also not in the same class as “creation”.
Why do you think it's fair to continue to troll sonmwayina after he has announced to you, that for him those stories in the Bible stand for something else and he's not taking them as factual events that happened in the past. He said they are symbolic representation of messages or teachings he wants to detail here.
Every informed person knows that Christians , especially the fundamentalist amongst them , are the ones who take Biblical accounts has factually true. Moderate Christians and adherents of Judaism, from which Christianity sprang from ,have a completely different viewpoint.
And from what I have read so far here in this thread,the Op certainly belongs to the latter group .
Sorry to say, your criticism of him is misplaced Please allow him finish what he started before criticising and judging him as "infantile" or insane.
I’m not stopping him from finishing what he started nor will I stop trolling him. However, the notion that “ those stories in the Bible stand for something else and he's not taking them as factual events that happened in the past” is laughable because he has shown multiple times that he takes the stories as factual until he finds it convenient to claim symbolism; just like the rest of them. This is a person who once wrote that “kill everyone and take the virgins” means “take wisdom”. That’s the level of symbolism to expect. Maybe I’m harsh by calling him infantile or insane is not rally far fetched.
Besides, there are verifiable interpretations of some of these symbolisms, which none of them ever even get close to realizing.
Seun: I can't take my eyes off the conflict going on in Israel. I was raised to believe that the Jewish God is the true God. The Old Testament we studied is part of the Jewish scripture. Our bible heroes like Moses and David were Jewish heroes. Israeli music touches me because the language sounds so familiar, from all the bible reading.
When I heard that Israel was invaded by Hamas fighters from Gaza and they went from door to door shooting civilians for HOURS, I was shocked and disgusted. Then I learned that they were not just killed, they were tortured. Men, women and children were defiled, mutilated, kidnapped, blown up, had hands and legs chopped off, eyes gourged out, etc. while the Palestinian invaders laughed at them. I was disgusted with Hamas, but also disappointed with the Israel Defence Forces, and Netanyahu, who totally failed to protect their civilians.
We were totally on Israel's side at this point because what happened to their civilians was unforgivable. They surrounded Gaza and started pounding "Hamas targets". Within a short period of time, thousands of Palestinians had been killed. We started getting concerns when the bombing didn't stop. They just kept bombing everything. It was becoming difficult to believe that the same Israel army that was totally unaware that Hamas was planning a massive invasion suddenly knew the location of every Hamas operative in Gaza and was targeting them precisely.
Then we started to take note of the words of the Israeli leaders. The comment about blocking food and water from Gaza because the Palestinians are "human animals". The confession by the air force that they were focused on inflicting "maximum damage, not accuracy". Which means they didn't care about collateral damage anymore. Some of them talked about flattening Gaza and nuking Gaza. They were openly questioning the notion of innocent civilians in Gaza. Suggesting that the civilians deserved to die because they support Hamas. Netanyahu called them Amalekites, the tribe that God commanded the Jews in the bible to totally destroy - men, women, children, and animals.
At this point only muslim countries were complaining about Israel's actions. Western countries supported Israel's "right to defend itself".
Then we learned that Israel uses AI to choose targets and about half or more of them were "power targets" which were destroyed primarily to shock and dismay the Palestinians and not because destroying them had any military value. They intentionally demolished residential high rise buildings, the parliament building, university faculties, schools, etc. They used massive 2,000 pound bombs which increased the collateral damage. They drove Gazans out of their homes in the north into refugee camps in the south, which often got bombed. Nowhere in Gaza was safe. They stripped surviving men naked, blindfolded them, tied their hands, and called them terrorists.
Western countries started to change their tone. Joe Biden and Macron openly said that Israel was bombing Gaza indiscriminately. The US said that most bombs Israel dropped in Gaza were dumb bombs. Western newspapers started conducting investigative reports exposing Israel's atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank. Then we learned that Israeli soldiers shot at 3 of their own escaped hostages, who had removed their shirts, and were waving a white flag on a stick. One of them ran into a building and they followed him there and shot him dead despite his pleas of mercy in Hebrew. They only realised that they made a mistake because one of the men had red hair, which is unusual for a Palestinian.
This is where we are today: Nobody believes that Israel is the moral army that they claimed to be. Nobody believes that they are precisely targeting Hamas fighters. Nobody believes that the government of Netanyahu and Ben Gvir genuinely wants peace. Everyone, not just the muslims, now believes that Israel's goal is to drive Palestinians out of Gaza (some of their officials have said it). The Economist openly called for Netanyahu to be fired. The US actually denied their request for attack helicopters, which is a first. That may have gotten to them, because they recently admitted that the missiles they used on a refugee camp were inappropriate and caused unnecessary civilian casualties.
However, Israelis are still in post October 7 rage mode. They can't understand why the world is against them after what Hamas did to them. They are not interested in conceding anything to the Palestinians for peace. Netanyahu will be removed for failure, but his replacement is unlikely to be a leftist hippie. Palestinians, on the other hand, support Hamas more than they did before, so peace looks very unlikely.
Hope you are getting paid for the pervasive Zionist Jew propaganda on this site. If the modern day Nazis want to promote their atrocities as “defending themselves”, at least let it cost them some lucre.
Botragelad: Now I just thought I'd clarify this again, and Again for those who aren't familiar with history or don't want to do their research. Here I will be talking about the whole Israel and Palestine issue. Please take your time to read.
Israel, the Jewish people, have always existed long before gaining independence, and archaeologists and DNA confirm this. The Roman Empire conquered Judea in 63 BCE, renaming it 'Palestine' to erase Jewish identity, causing most Jews and indigenous Israelites to flee, leaving a minority behind.
The so-called 'Palestinians' are mainly Arabs who migrated from other countries and settled in Israel. Renaming a territory doesn't make it yours; the Roman name change didn't change the fact that it's still Israel's land, just like an invaded land remains yours despite name changes or new populations, and Israel can always claim it back.
Coming to now. Here's a brief overview:
P.S: Pay attention to the bolded words!
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Lmao.
What’s the difference between a Zionist jew and a Nazi?
Mathewrichard99: You are perfectly right but why talking as if you have the authority as the spokesperson for Israel.
Because he obviously is a Jew whose job is to spread propaganda or some other jew sycophant paid to spread propaganda with the aid of a bot.
The cunt’s name is Bot Rage Lad; probably based in England.
@Seun. I hope you are getting paid for hosting Israeli propaganda. Nothing is free. They don’t even care about the people on your site. Look at the gruesome things they post without a care that people may be traumatized. https://www.nairaland.com/8216106/more-graphic-photos-hezbollah-members
Padipadi: There's a large follower of Islam that hates Jews and Christianity. The origin is jihad war. Sadly, everyone that's not a moslems is seem as an enemy. It's happening to traditionalists too (look at the issue of Isese Festival of last year that traditionalists were banned in Ilorin, Kwara State). And Allah didn't create only moslems. We are to live in peace or in pieces! Terrors sponsors and members are learning in pieces! So whoever said Jews and Christians should not do their life will see wrath of Almighty Allah. Wisdom is profitable to direct alla mankind that peace has no good substitute. Those Islamic countries that learned the hard way in the past like Egypt should educate these mofo terrorists that there's no 72 virgins worth dying like chickens for. They're suffering double jeopardy worldwide by dying in sin as a terrorist and still going to hell!
I just love to see the results of the propaganda that Muslims hate Jews. Meanwhile, the reality is that the crisis in Israel/Palestine/Lebanon is because Christians murdered so many Jews in Europe that they ran to Palestine.
sonmvayina: Chapter 2 tells us that the earth provided the dust and sticks for making the body and bones...which is also the same motif found in all creation myths around the world.
You people have to grow up sometime. Holding fast to fairy tales is childlike. Infantile people. “Dust and sticks” lmao you MUST be insane
sonmvayina: Tomorrow we will start from the very beginning...and take Genesis 1-3.
It is interesting to not that the authors did not add the chapters and verses...so we will take the story group by group...and progress till we reach the promised land. Wainy..it's here.
Here’s god chilling in his garden before creating the two naked simpletons. This was before he wiped out the first creation by snapping his fingers. sYmboLiSm
AntiChristian: Abraham is from which tribe and nation?
Noah is from which tribe and nation?
Jonah is from which tribe and nation?
They were all Muslims!
But this is beyond your brain grade!
Lmao. This is quite shameless. Everyone knows Muslims are the late comers of the abrahamic trinity of bullshit so why are you claiming those characters were Muslims?
Ojuntana: 3. More importantly, for those verses you quoted, I need to remind you that those are admonition of Paul the Apostle to slaves, most of whom are voluntary slaves. Jesus never owned slaves. As a matter of fact, he died to save us from slavery to sin. So if you accept Jesus as superior to Muhammad in conduct and behaviour and you want us to debate between Paul and muhammad, you are most welcome.
Voluntary slaves. Lmao Jesus didn’t need slaves because he had a cult and also performed magic.
AntiChristian: The Northerners holds sway in Islamic matters because they have been Islamically civilized long before Nigeria gained independence! And Arabic is the language of our Prophet so we should relate with Allah in that language! Jesus didn't recite the Lord's prayer in English! It was not even in Greek. Jesus spoke Aramaic. Some people wrote the New Testament in Greek. So it is not racism to study and speak the language of the Prophet sent to you to communicate with your Lord! It is not racism! Racism is saying Israelites are the superior race and they should not marry Canaanites!
The same supremacist nonsense you are accusing the Hebrews of can likewise be applied to the Muslim nonsense. What makes that desert gibberish called Arabic more special than every other language?! Allah can’t speak anything else? Is he retarded?
Ojuntana: What is important to note is that the virgins were kept because, since God's commandment was to erase the bloodline of the Midianites for their activity in causing Israelites to sin, the best way to ensure that is to make sure that even their pregnancies are also terminated. A virgin can't be pregnant. That's common sense.
So keeping the female virgins alone as slaves was not for sexual purpose o deranged islamist. It was to ensure there's no possibility of their line being perpuated since virgins can't be pregnant at the time they were captured.
Lmao, this might be the most confused defense of rape, sex slavery, and genocide I’ve ever read. Clap for yourself.
Godfather898989: Mr Terrorist show me this passage and stop talking gibberish, If u like carry walkie talkie or pager make them send you to ur 72 virgins now.
Wallow in your ignorance boy. Lol, you’ll be crying for the Jews very soon.
Godfather898989: haven't come across a passage which says we should kill in the name of God. Have not seen or heard people killing because of blasphemy of Jesus' name.
Like I said, most of you haven’t read the book of bullshit called the Bible and you’re ignorant of history and world affairs if you think Christian’s are peaceful or haven’t killed in the name of the magic Jew.
Godfather898989: [i][/i]when u vow to remove people off the face of earth,when u rape women and children and kill them in the wee hours of the morning,when u kill people for not belonging to your group,when you kill in the name of Allah when Allah did not send u, when u kill just because a joke is said about ur founder Muhammed etc, then you are a terrorist eg Hamas,Iran,Hezbollah,Bashir Assad ect.
They learned all these from Judaism. Don’t you people read your bibles?!!
TheGift: Did Elon Musk invent it or did his company neuralink pay the original inventors for the technology? The same way he paid to become a cofounder in Tesla, then eventually got the original inventors out of the company. ?
I’ve never seen any one be the beneficiary of ignorance, sycophancy, and propaganda like this Musk character. Every news is blown out of proportion to praise the clown!!! Every uttering from him is regarded by the gullible as fact! Fucking weird shit! lol Even his statement about this non event is full of megalomaniacal bluster yet they eat it up!
The FDA's breakthrough tag is given to certain medical devices that provide treatment or diagnosis of life-threatening conditions. It is aimed at speeding up development and review of devices currently under development. The experimental device, known as Blindsight, "will enable even those who have lost both eyes and their optic nerve to see," Musk said, opens new tab in a post on X. Neuralink did not immediately respond to a request seeking details about when it expects the Blindsight device to move into human trials. The FDA also did not immediately respond to a request for comment. https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/musks-neuralink-receives-fdas-breakthrough-device-tag-brain-implant-2024-09-17/
https://www.thedailybeast.com/elon-musk-touts-new-neuralink-brain-chip-to-treat-blindness According to the FDA, the Breakthrough Devices Program “is a voluntary program for certain medical devices and device-led combination products that provide for more effective treatment or diagnosis of life-threatening or irreversibly debilitating diseases or conditions.” Not all are convinced, however. Tech Crunch reports that while the Neuralink device is “very welcome,” it adds that it is “extremely premature to say that such a device could enable blind people to see.”
Christianity Etc › Re: Walking The Narrow Path- The Torah Alternative. by KnownUnknown: 1:01pm On Sep 24, 2024
