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Kobojunkie:
1. So God wanted Adam to become what, a theist?

2. You tell me, why did God create man?

1) Are all believers of God not theists? Or are they atheists?

2) You should know, aren't you Christian

Kobojunkie:
Ok, so a commandment is not a teaching fine. So what do you call one who submits to and obeys a Law then?

Did God Himself command that you venerate Him and praise Him or do you simply do it because you feel that is what He wants from you?

1) Depends on the context. If you are referring to the laws of God or a god then generally speaking you're a theist.

2) Why did God create man?

freshboi88:
You people just keep misquoting scriptures.
Paul says we would only Judge angels when we have resurrected with Christ and are reigning with him in heaven. But in our present state on earth with flesh and bones, we are a little lower than the angels. Period

How did I misquote scriptures there? Explain

Kobojunkie:
1. So God's instruction to Adam on what he could or couldn't eat does not constitute a teaching of some sort, this in Genesis 2 vs 15 - 17 ?

You are invariably saying that teaching a child right from wrong does not amount to teaching at all?

2. So, where God of the Bible is concerned, what exactly is this act of religious devotion that "worship" is defined as?
What is it that God desires for us to do in devotion to Him?

1) That's a commandment no? Not a teaching.
2) Veneration, praise, outright declaration that he alone is God and no other

Kobojunkie:
You have to tell me ... how did I answer my own question?

So you are saying that to you, Jesus Christ is simply a messenger and so should not be worshipped, is that it?
Recall that you have yet to properly define "worship" here.

Ok I can help you understand:
So, when God gave Adam the command in Genesis 2 vs 15- 17, God wasn't teaching Adam to follow that command at all?

How was God teaching Adam?

Second question
Wikipedia has a great definition here: Worship is an act of religious devotion usually directed towards a deity. For many, worship is not about an emotion, it is more about a recognition of a God.. you should check out the section on Christianity: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worship

Kobojunkie:
So, when God gave Adam the command in Genesis 2 vs 15- 17, God wasn't teaching Adam to follow that command at all? God was talking for the sake of talking?

As for the other, why would a person worship a pastor because he tells you God supposedly said something in his dream? I don't get that one at all.

This is very simple you know. You just said God had given a commandment! You just answered your own question and you didn't even know it

Brother, i don't understand it too.. the same I understand why people worship a certain messenger of God because he spoke the word of God

Kobojunkie:
So, Peter was not tempted? Andrew was not tempted? Is this a joke of some sort?

You think sin can happen without temptation? What do you really think temptation is? And does temptation even provide justification for any sin?

I am curious to know!.

Ehm, how was Peter tempted that he denied Jesus three times? How was Thomas tempted that he didn't believe Jesus had resurrected.

In case you don't know the backstory to those comments, I questioned why those two men were so hesitant given that Jesus was supposed to be God. If Jesus was God then surely Thomas wouldn't have doubted Jesus's resurrection given that he had resurrected Lazarus and done countless other miracles before

Kobojunkie:
My definition of worship, you say. So, what other definition of worship is there, given by God?
Once we establish this, then we can maybe move forward in this.

Out of curiousity, when God created Adam and commanded Adam to obey Him, was God simply a messenger to Adam , and Adam simply called to be a follower of God then?

Also, when Jesus Christ proclaimed that He was the Truth of God - the very Words out of God's own mouth, are we to assume here that Jesus Christ lied ?

Ah ahn, was God teaching anything? If someone 'teaches' and you follow that teaching then you're a follower.. that's what I said na

When your pastor tells you he's repeating the words God spoke to him in his dream last night will you start worshipping your pastor?

freshboi88:
Seems you are a Muslim. But u r using the scripture to deny the deity of Jesus.

First of all, you are wrong in your initial assertion inferring that angels are inferior to man. In God's hierarchy angels are superior beings to man. Let me prove it from scripture.

Hen 2:7You made him for a little while lower than the angels;
you have crowned him with glory and honor.

So you see Christ becoming man made him a little lower than the angels or angelic beings.

So u say u r not meant to worship Jesus..another lie....To not worship Jesus is not not believe in the one who sent him. Let me prove it again with scripture.

New International Version
John 5:23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.

My brother you are to honor the Son just as u honor the Father. That is what Yahweh commands you to do.

So my question for u which is rhetorical is how exactly do you honor Jehovah?

1. Is it in prayer, praises, worship and what have u ?

Jehovah wants u to honor Jesus in the same way. For if u don't honor Jesus in the same way u would honor Jehovah, then u don't honor Jehovah.


My brother them lie give u oh...go and read your Bible. Jesus is God because Jehovah is not in the business of idolatry

Ok oo.. if you say so. Lemme just drop these two before I go

1 Corinthians 6:2-3
2 Or do you not know that the Lord’s people will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? 3 Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!

Hebrews 1:14
14 Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?

Kobojunkie:
Worship means to serve, to obey!. When you submit to and obey the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, you worship Him as the one who is Master over you, the one who is God's eternal Law in the Kingdom of God.

Your definition of worship is interesting but you're entitled to it.

Listening to the messenger's teaching and obeying their commandments (not originally theirs even) makes you a 'FOLLOWER' of that messenger. You're not supposed to worship them (the messenger), you're meant to worship the ONE who gave them the message.

Kobojunkie:
This is akin to asking why did Adam disobey God.

Lol come on these are two different things now.

Firstly, Eve was tempted and lied to. She was naive and didn't know any better. Same with Adam, he was basically misled by Eve. Mind you, this was probably the first time ever that lies and deceit would happen in Eden.

As for Peter and Thomas. These men weren't tempted, they just didn't believe he was God. How else would you explain their predicament?

Mikecold:
lol, what aggressive jabs

Please don't shift goal post o, you embarrassed yourself

I am a Christian so we are not at war

Hebrew 1:8

But about the Son he says,

“Your throne, O God will last for ever and ever

Embarrassed myself how? You're the one who said we should worship Jesus because Angels did .. Anyway I wasn't seeing this as a competition but as two people trying to come to an understanding.

My questions remains unanswered concerning Peter and Thomas

Mikecold:
I would have taken time to educate you but let me drop this which is from God himself narrated by Paul

Hebrews 1:6

And again, when God brings his firstborn into the world, he says,

“Let all God’s angels worship him.”

If God himself that owns worship can tell his angels to worship Jesus, who are you not to?

Btw it is extremely shallow of you to compare Jesus to prophets when he was I AM that created them

John 8:58

Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I AM

Hope you see why you shouldn't skip Sunday school

Lol, your passive agressive jabs weren't necessary brother .

Just because Angels were asked to worship Jesus doesn't mean WE are expected to do so too. If I remember correctly, Angels and humans serve different purposes to God. We are made in HIS image and are basically sons of God, little wonder why a certain Angel got jealous and was determined to cause man's downfall. If I may refer to the Quran, it is even mentioned that Angels were instructed to bow down to Adam too.

Also, I note how you failed to address my last paragraph concerning Peter and Thomas. Your insight here would be appreciated if you're still up for it, but please let's be civil

Kennydoc:
In this digital age, we all need to learn tolerance. We all belong to various online groups and often times, we see people posts things we don't fancy. We all need to learn to ignore such things.

I can't judge his motive because I am not God who searches the heart of men. On the surface, it appears like he is genuinely interested in the gospel. Never seen anybody preaching the gospel for likes. In this modern age, that's one of the least things that will fetch you likes online.
The young man recognises that many NLers including me mostly read the front page of posts. He therefore targets his posts for the largest audience possible.

Yes we all need to learn ignore such things but at the same time, we should also learn to be considerate of others as well. If there was a dislike button I'm pretty sure he'd be getting just as many dislikes as likes.

The front page isn't where he is needed in my opinion, he should go to the sexuality section to post his messages there, that is where he'll find people that need urgent saving. My 2 cents.

Kobojunkie:
For point 6 - See Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46.

These are all stated in the Gospels for anyone who is interested to learn from.

Thanks for that. I actually read the verses but didn't see where it said we should serve Jesus for all eternity

I did, however, notice that he referred to God as "my father" Matthew 25:34

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.

BePrepared:
Whether faceless or faithful, I repeat leave the messenger and face the message.

Have ur sins been washed by the blood of Jesus?
Are u still living in sin?
Have u accepted Jesus into ur heart and made peace with God.
These are the most important questions
Forget how the messenger packaged it for u.

Ohh brother, but the messenger is also very important. Even the devil knows the Bible more than your favourite pastor sef, so you need to do your homework before accepting every message you hear even if it sounds legitimate.

Don't lose focus.

Kennydoc:
Yes, I am biased because I'm a Christian. However, if I was a Muslim, I would simply scroll past his posts and not bother reading them. I don't read every single post on the front page of every thread I open. Non-Christians don't have to read his posts, and most of them actually don't. For that reason, they are not bothered about what he posts.

If he was a Muslim and posting Quranic verses, I would have learnt to ignore him by now. That's what most people do when they see the posts he makes. Those who feel he's constituting a nuisance should report him to the mods. If he is breaking NL rules, the mods will ban him.

People come to Nairaland for various reasons. What appeals to you may not necessarily appeal to another person. There are some threads some people find interesting like those BBN and celebrity threads while others consider them useless. Same applies to the posts in the different threads. Enjoy the ones that appeal to you and ignore others.

There is definitely a link between the exotic cars and religion. Some people look at the wealthy celebrities displaying their wealth and consider themselves failures. They begin to look down on their own little achievements and belittle the grace of God in their lives. Some even get to the point of depression. Posts like that remind us that all these things we see are transient. There is a bigger picture, and genuine lovers of God should not be distracted.

If religious comments are kept in religious sections, some people who never go there will never get the benefit of those comments. Many Nairalanders only open threads that appear on the front page. The fact that tens of people keep liking his posts means that many people appreciate his messages.
Those who are not happy should simply ignore the posts. It's as simple as that. Live and let live.

You see, people are different. Not everyone has the same level of tolerance. And the fact that you're biased (thanks for being honest) makes it even more difficult for you to see how annoying it can be.

You may decide to just scroll through whereas others may become upset after a while just like the op and others that have also reacted to his comment.

Also, do you think the dude is really interested in saving souls or just doing it for the likes? Because If a thread is already 3 pages long I doubt you'll see his comment. It's always usually the first page you'll spot him. Just saying.

Kobojunkie:
Here's just a few differences between Jesus Christ and Islam:

1. Jesus Christ, God's New Covenant Law is the one you are to bow to in worship .I.e. submit to and obey.

2. Jesus Christ, the Law in the Kingdom of God is Master over you

3. Jesus Christ lives inside of each and everyone who belongs to Him. He is not just the messenger but also the message itself.

4. Jesus Christ is the Shepherd/Teacher/ Authority over those who belong to Him

5. Jesus Christ is the Way, the Truth and the Life which you claim to have and as a result are able to reach God by it.

6. He is the King you will continue to serve for all of eternity

So, if you think bowing to God's Law is akin to idolatry, you are inthe wrong religion.

Thanks for the clarification here. Quite interesting indeed.

Did Jesus say all of these things? Or did man decide these things after his death? I'm particularly interested in point 6. References to the relevant Bible verses would be most appreciated.

Mikecold:
What you forget here is Jesus accepted from prayers to worship etc he could have rejected them if they weren't in order knowing presedence was set

Infact he delibrately asked Peter whom he thought he (Jesus) was.

This was Jesus trying to see if Peter could figure it out, when Peter called him son of God.

He (Jesus) applauded personally, this should be blasphemy if it wasn't in order

As you can see Jesus allowed people to figure things out themselves he doesn't need to tell them

Anyone worshipping his MOG etc is on his own because nothing of such in the Bible not even by the apostles Jesus gave powers to



No bro, you are missing it, the worship or praying to Jesus isn't because the people who did it where looking for physical representative to worship.

Jesus is God, he had all his powers which only God can, you can't be around your creator, the creator of the world and not be obliged to worship him (if you had an open heart to observe)

You must feel his presence so strong more like a 50kg (average human weight) tank of fuel coming in contact with a full oil rig.

It just knows the oil rig is it's endless source of existence

That's the thing about Jesus, human being have void, thirst for peace, insatiable desires but just been with Jesus your soul is satisfied, something only the creator can fill

Then you see nature obeying him, him raising the dead that is rotten

Common, you sef if your heart is open you would know wats up



This is a different senario, Israelites constructed idol because they said Moses has been killed by his God in the mountain top

They actually never knew this God, to them it was Moses who brought him and now he was dead meaning no way to reach the God hence the idol

When Jesus was around he gave power to his disciples why didn't the Jews worship them too except just once when poisonous snake didn't harm Paul (that was even a pagan city)

Do not forget that the kind of worship etc that was given to Jesus was not from unrepentant pagans

It was by his followers who have been sticking with him, hearing his preachings, and had seen true Godship in Jesus

Infact for you to worship him it means he had been revealed to you and if he had been revealed to you it means you knew there was no other God outside him




Islam has no point, if beans is poisoned in adamawa state does it makes the one in benue poisoned too

If actually no-one should worship a human, should it stop people from worshipping God when he appears in flesh

If i was in the time of Jesus and i get to know of how the mysterious shepherds came to worship him as a baby king, his birth by a virgin

His baptism and the loud voice of God validation, the dove, his miracle of raising the dead after 4days, his ability to forgive sins, his messages of righteousness to God, etc

All i need is to search the Torah at the time and i would get all the pieces that this special man was prophesied as God that was to come

It's not about finding an image to attach to but who he is

Jesus never admonished them you say but then he never outrightly encouraged it either.. it's not recorded anywhere. In fact, he instead referred to God as another being several times, that is, my Father, Our Father and I believe that is what we should try to adhere to where there isn't a clear narrative.

I'm firmly of the belief that Jesus is not God but the son of God. That he had powers doesn't support the fact that he is God. All other prophets also performed miracles too via God. And if I recall, we (as Sons of God) are also able to perform miracles too.

The story about Moses is exactly the point I'm making, human instinct is based on associating the spiritual with the physical. The only way these poor Israelites felt they could reach God was through a physical thing or being, and that's the same with most other religions today including Christianity where God is associated with Jesus. It's human nature.

By the way, followers are the most likely to get things wrong. If you have a chat with a fervent RCCG church goer, he'll tell you that pastor Adeboye is his 'Daddy' and can do no wrong, despite the fact that he's just a mere man. Same with worshippers of TB Joshua and the controversial Oyakihlome. They will bow down and kiss the feet of these men forgetting that they are just Messengers. I believe this is exactly what happened to Jesus and what led the Jews to resent him even more.

Still on his his disciples / followers. Two things that have always struck me are the cases of Peter and Thomas. They both followed Jesus from early on and saw his amazing miracles including the raising of the dead and casting of demons right? Then why would Peter deny him three times? Especially if he knew Jesus was God the maker of all things. Why would Thomas doubt Jesus's resurrection as if such was impossible to God even though it had been done before with Lazarus? Do you not think it's because they knew Jesus was a messenger and not God.

Mikecold:
what Christ was doing with the Lord's prayer was to prepare the minds of the Jews at that time to have an understanding of God as their father

Remember before now even Jews dared not go into the temple unless the high priest that still had his limits.

Keep in mind Christ was not yet crucified so how could he have possibly tell the Jews to pray in his name when he hadn't paid the price for them to access him in prayer

Mind you they could pray to him, desire him to do things for them which he could do because he was on earth with them, but anything regarding prayer in closet they couldn't call him name because he hadn't gotten a liscence

So essentially he was preparing them for a new kind of relationship with God not really about the prayer per say

When his work was finished it means the Jesus who was already prayed to on earth when he was around can also be prayed to in heaven

Interesting reaponse. But I have a few thoughts

The big issue I have here is people who 'prayed to' Jesus. It was man who started that idea out of awe for Jesus and not because he gave that advice/command/impression. Same way people today sometimes worship their pastors and self-claimed MOG.

When Jesus said 'Our Father' he was referring to a different being from himself, his Father, the same person he would always go up to the mountains to pray to. Again, it was man who developed the idea to pray to Jesus out of awe. And I believe it's because we humans have this fascination with things in the physical. It's the same reason we had/have idol worshippers because people need to see who to pray to.

A good example here is the Israelites, despite being delivered from Egypt and seeing God's miracles first hand they still went ahead an constructed an Idol so as to worship God. So you can imagine what they'd do with Jesus.

Interestingly, I suppose it is for this reason why Islam particularly warns against creating an image in the likeness of their prophets. It's because people easily become obsessed with the messenger and not God himself.

siofra:
Aww!!! My favourite couple much love♥️♥️♥️
Keep winning and keep making Nigerian men seethe in pain and anger

Why so defensive?? The girl is not even Nigerian for crying out loud .. and this could have been you but you're too busy reading romance novel upandan like the one in your dp

othermen:
First, when people asked Jesus for miracles in the bible, they were praying to Jesus.

''Jesus! make me see'', ''Jesus! make me well'', ''Jesus! If I could touch your garment'', ''Jesus!, raise this dead."

John 14 ''Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it.”

To God, there are three members, God the father, God the son and God the holy spirit... This is the trinity. Jesus is the begotten of God; the son, this is clear.

John 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
in verse 14: “the Word became flesh and dwelt among us”

Romans 9:5 Apostle Paul describes Jesus as “the Christ, who is God overall, blessed forever.”

In John 10:30 Jesus claims that “I and the Father are one,”

In John 14:9 Jesus says that “Whoever has seen me has seen the Father.”

In Mark 2 dealing with the man’s paralysis he first says, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” Only God can forgive, of coz Jesus is a member of God.

In order that your prayer is through to God the father, you should pray in the name of the son, for it is through the son, we are granted access; and the holy spirit shall be there to guide, to guide in your prayers and that you may ask that which is appropriate.

Even then, Jesus Christ is the answer to our prayers.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:16–17, Even Apostle Paul prayed to Jesus saying “May our Lord Jesus Christ himself and God our Father. . . encourage your hearts and strengthen you in every good deed and word.” In 1 Thessalonians 3:11–13, there was a similar prayer to Jesus.

John 5:23 ''Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.''.

You don’t need Omokri or Daddy Freeze to know God or know more about Christ. What you need is a personal encounter with Christ, and you only have to accept Christ. He is knocking at the door. The Holy Spirit shall then be the guide.

I feel that Christians have really missed the road on this. When Jesus was asked a simple question, "how do we pray?" .. he responded with the way it should be done, starting from "Our Father" ... He didn't end it by saying "in my name we pray" or anything of the sought. But over the years humans have changed everything and added their own spin and understanding to the original word. Now we have Catholics, latter day saints etc all of who have deviated from the original way of praying.

Kennydoc:
Oh my God! Are you sure you're a Christian?
The young man you are quoting has established himself as a voice reminding people of the message of salvation on Nairaland, and you're castigating him.

What do you mean by him forcing faith down the throats of people? Do you really understand what evangelism is all about? Is there a difference between what this guy is doing and persistent evangelism?

How else do you convert souls other than letting them see how God desires them to be righteous? BTW, the guy you quoted never boasts about his righteousness.
Using Righteousness as his moniker is only a way of reaffirming the word of God that says "we are the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus".

2 Corinthians 5:21 NIV
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

If his posts irk the hell out of you, then you probably haven't found God. You can't genuinely love God and detest those who are passionately doing His will.

You don't see it as 'forcing Faith's because you're a Christian and so you're already biased and ignorant of what's happening.

Assume the guy was Muslim and always quoting Islamic verses everytime and warning people to convert to Islam before it's too late etc.. I guarantee you it will start to piss you off.

People come on NL to read stories and wind down not to read Bible verses or to be told the world will end soon.

For instance, this thread is about Mayweather's exotic cars, but yet here we are talking about religion. There is a place for that on Nairaland which is the Religion section, he should try to be respectful to others and keep his religious comments to that section.

cc: Righteousness2 - this message is for you

BePrepared:
How is he forcing his Christianity on you? I want to know, did he come to ur house with gun or what?

God is busy sending messengers to u guys, u won't listen, leave the messenger and face the message, have u got Jesus in You?

Did you just refer to a faceless person on Nairaland as a messenger of God!?

When will Buhari and other African leaders receive their own messengers from God?, because we have enough of them on Nairaland

klawaaa:
Don't mind him. Someone putting the boundary of understanding in a very narrow area of human endeavour and seeing it as an almighty thing. Anyone can do PhD if there is an interest and perseverance. Why not ask himself why the wealthiest don't have a PhD? I think that would answer his curiousity.

People don't do PhD to be wealthy, they do it for the love of the topic/research they're studying. Most of them end up in academia as teachers, lecturers, professors etc.

Freezby2020:
You said it all. With cheap certificates, you can't ever see any new inventions.

On checking this so called "University"
I discovered it's one of those long distance learning Universities, that students can pay for the certificates.

In his normal style, he has to quickly come online to advertise it to the public, so that when any one suddenly see " DR. PRETTY MIKE"
He will not be "MAULED"

You mean Dr. Mike Eze-Nwalie

Bloody fraudsters, at least they're not tribalists

Entitled much? She should be happy she has where to sleep and work.. let her come to Nigeria she'll know wassup

Gosh! What a way to leave this world! As if it's not bad enough that you come into this world as a Nigerian but you also exit it by one of the worst ways possible. This life sha.

DoggoneDogg:
So why does she want to get rid of the baby? Is it the baby's fault?

Thank you, that's the first question you should have asked her before raining insults on her head. Why does she want to give away the baby?

The truth is I don't know why, but as someone who has nieces and nephews.. giving up your child is not an easy decision to make because kids are a blessing and parents are willing to die for their children, especially mothers.

My suspicion here is that she can't give the child the care it deserves anymore due to changed circumstances and so wants to give it a better life.

DoggoneDogg:
After fucking around like a wh0re & enjoying different dicks, you now want to push your responsibility to another person so that you can continue fucking around again.

Shameless hoe.

I pray nobody takes that child. You must raise that baby & if you dare do anything evil to harm that child because you can't wait to hit the streets fucking again, may that baby's soul torment you till you die a painful death.

Nonsense.

For the love of God! Is this really necessary?

Do you know this woman's life story? What if she was raped or abused? What if her husband has died and she can't take care of her child herself anymore?

Please please and please, stop the hatred. What she's doing is best of the child and not her, especially if the child goes to a good home. No child deserves to suffer as a result of their parent's decisions.

Just looking at your previous posts it's very clear that you crave attention.