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Amotolongbo:
Look into the mirror, what you see in the mirror is “senseless hypocrisy and bias”.

Ife was also an empire but little was documented and written about it until the recent archeological findings.
Ife still retain its king, part of its land with the monuments, crowns and there was no evidence of discontinuity in throne. Could all these be said about Oyo empire?

Lol
Keep deceiving yourself
No be only ìfẹ empire, na iwo empire
Very funny people... You just want to twist and change history by force. When did ọọni started becoming king?

AMINDA:
Is Atiku aware of this son of his from Kano? I know it's clickbait, but if true, it only goes to show that Atiku is a democrat who prioritises freewill even amongst his children.

Lol
This your last comment doesn't make sense at all. Please come up with a more sensible excuse.

seunmsg:
You actually gave a wrong analogy.

1. In a democracy, the president is elected to lead a sovereign state. In the old Oyo empire, the Alaafin used military might to subjugate and control so many towns. Once the emperor loses the military power, all previous tributaries will gain their independence. Some can even become more powerful than the old empire. A good example is the British empire that is now a toothless bulldog and America, a former colony that is now more powerful. So, should the American president still be paying homage and taking orders from the British crown?

2. The Old Oyo empire was completely destroyed. It no longer exists. Ibadan was founded after the destruction of the old Oyo empire. So, due to the need to preserve the history of an empire that was once great, Ibadan leaders thought it wise to recreate another Oyo royal dynasty at Ago Oja, a place very far away from the original Oyo that had been burnt down by Ilorin forces. Prince Atiba, one of the surviving prince of the old Oyo was crowned and they used their military power to protect him. So, it wasn’t a case of a vassal state defending the empire and rescuing the emperor in a war situation, it’s the case of a new power helping to preserve the history of an old power.

3. We are now in a democratic republic and everyone is subjected to the rule of law. The law setting up Oyo State council of Obas is very clear; the chairmanship must be rotated between the Olubadan, Alaafin and Soun. So, this is not even about any history but the law. If the Alaafin thinks there is something wrong with the law, he should go to court and challenge it. It’s that simple.

You're just mixing things up and formulate blatant nonsense.
Please tell us more about 2.

MrPaul2:
Where did you get this your history from? How many years is the alafin office and how many is that of ooni? 100yrs against over 1000yrs. You really make me laugh with this your history

Lol
Which one is 100 years and which one is 1000 years?
Some of you just want to change history by force.
It's a shame...

Amotolongbo:
I understand that you are suffering from nostalgic syndrome.

Empire rises and fall. What’s left behind after the fall of an empire is the legacy.

From your analysis, Constantinople was the capital of the Ottoman Turkish empire at their peak before 1922 before it finally crumbled. The empire is now reduced to Turkey with a new capital Ankara.

If not for politics and constitution, maintaining tradition would Alaafin have the power to control whoever is ruling Ibadan as Baale? Present constitution is the one giving the Alaafin the privilege it enjoys. Of course Oyo and her king can’t withstand Ibadan if they go to war. Ibadan will be the one controlling Oyo cos Ibadan will be an empire on its own.

Once again, quit nostalgic syndrome. A train that is gone is gone.

It's very easy to seive out you people's senseless hypocrisy and bias.
When it comes to ọọni, we must preserve history and tradition, but when it comes to Alaafin, the ọyọ empire no longer exists. Judge yourself, do you sense if you think like this

maidstone:
You are a liar!

Alaafin was the permanent chairman of traditional rulers of old Oyo State

Don't mind these ìfẹ people, they just want to change history by force

mikeapollo:
The Ooni cannot be compared with any other Oba in Yoruba land, including the Alaafin. So don't bring that argument of Osyn State
The Soun of Ogbomosho is a co-equal of Alaafin. The Alaafin is not superior to the Soun

I don't argue with daft people or hypocrites.
For you to say this, You either don't know anything about Yoruba history and Kingdom, or you're just a hypocrite.
Ọọni is never and will never be above Alaafin of ọyọ, and I'm not even from ọyọ State.

seunmsg:
Some of you don’t know history. You just come online to react without having a perfect understanding of the issues.

Without Ibadan, there wouldn’t be an Alaafin at Ago Oja today. The new Oyo where we now have an Alaafin owns their existence to the benevolence of the Ibadan people.

Again, the Oyo that once ruled over an empire is dead. Dead and buried. It is never coming back. Alaafin’s current jurisdiction is limited strictly to Ago Oja and nowhere else. Ibadan or any other town is not under the control whatsoever of any Alaafin. In fact, Ibadan is a bigger, richer and more influential city than Oyo so it’s even the Olubadan that should be making the case for the permanent chairmanship of Oyo State council of Obas.

Some of you just lack understanding and decorum.
What is this nonsense of if not for Ibadan that I keep reading!?
It's like a situation of Nigeria at war, Abuja and the president is under attack and ogun state or kogi State governor coming to his rescue etc. Take a moment to digest that.
So because Ogun State or kogi State came to the rescue of the president, then we should all worship them and place them above the president? Does that even make sense to you?
Was the olubadan not a chief to Alaafin?
Were these warriors and soldiers in Ibadan not subjects of Alaafin?
Go and educate yourself on history and Kingdom of the Yoruba people.

Northsouth:
Alaafin will not be very happy with this
They just want to render him powerless

Anyway Alaafin self, him too get pride.
Him wey dey do anyhow to government recognize Ooni as Yoruba ruler

Pride comes before destruction

Tell me the exact pride of Alaafin that some of you keeps talking about? That a king does not stand to greet another king is now disrespect? You think kingship is about age? How will it look to you if a father is standing to greet a son or subject? Historically, All these Yoruba kings you see today were subjects to Alaafin, many were just chiefs before Alaafin made some of them kings. Royal is about culture and history, and not about age of the person on the throne or today's politics.

Goodvibes007:
They are controlling their own domain.

Governor Makinde and the Oyo state house of asembly started the rotation for justice, fairness, and equity.

Truth be told, if not for Ibadan, Fulani would have colonized the whole of Yorubaland. They deserve their flowers.

If not for Ibadan, alot of us would have been bearing names like AbdulRaman, Abdullahi, Abdulmalik e.t.c just like in Ilorin. The Ibadans were the ones that stopped the conquest of the Fulani jihadist at Oshogbo on the their way to dip their sword in the Atlantic ocean as per the desire of Uthman Dan Fodio.

Where is the fairness and justice in Osun State?
Is the ọọni the only King and paramount king in Osun State? Let's not be hypocritical in our analysis.

Which one is if not for Ibadan?
Some of you just like creating unnecessary divisions
What's the difference between Oyo and Ibadan?
Who even created and fortified the Ibadan? Is not not Alaafin - Oyo? Are the Ibadan chiefs not Alaafin chiefs from the beginning?

muyico:
Ibepe eso eyinbo
Ibepe eyinbo

Why is oyinbo added to it?
Ibepe is ibepe

What's the difference between Europeans and ones in USA? They're all family members...

Sacrilege!

What a time!
Kingdom, kingship and throne has no been reduced to political and age position, it's no longer about the throne...

This absolutely makes no sense!

This can never happen in Edo, Ogun or Osun state, where ọọni is the permanent chairman.
Why is that? Are the Paramount kings in those states that are the PERMANENT chairman the only king in those states?
Even before the creation of Osun State, Alaafin was above ọọni,
The Alaafin of Oyo served as the Chairman of the Oyo State Council of Obas and Chiefs.
By that structure, he was the official presiding traditional ruler over Obas from Oyo, Osun, and parts of present-day Ogun State.

It was even Alaafin that made olubadan who used to just be a chief to Alaafin a king, he created that Kingdom.


Give respect and honour to whom it is due.

Why is colleges of education receiving so much?
How many colleges of education do we have compared to universities?

Lol

Now, it's AI chatgpt they're protesting about

Don't they apprehend these evil kidnappers?

Absolutely

He's very correct

Lol
Why Ghana and South Africa always intimidated by us and jealous of our progress?

Ghana!
Ghana!!
Ghana!!!
How many times did I call you people?
And they're many on this forum

Racoon:
Crude oil no more Venezuela again?

The said producer and not reserved (stored or gifted by nature)

Sales boy is JJC
That criminals took advantage of that

Good.

A lot of people will soon start suing them too

Trouble maker...

That's his tactics anyways

Deportation straight


Let him come and join farming in Nigeria...

Wow
So they even have a child together...

Interesting...
You people should see your clowns...

Northernblood8:
Traditional bone doctors are very good.

A few of them that knows their onions.
Many are also SCAMMERS doing trial and error

Glory
Glory
Glory

Thank goodness for him

Why is he even reacting?

The predictor is a clown

Why should surveillance cost that much if not gross corruption and evil!?


2.5b is even enough to build some bridge.

Release bandits!?
After peace deal indeed 😃



And fg will allow this?

One of very few monarchs that respects themselves and their position.
RIP