vooks:
So you knew who did that and you pretended not to. Paste that verse here and show me where Isaac sowed in famine

It's called baiting.

He laid a bait, for he knew it was Isaac, instead of doing a quick google search, you just boldly told the world you have very little Bible knowledge. Now, even more sillier is asking him to paste the verse where Isaac sowed in famine! if he doesmmwhat next? Deny it as you denied the galatia own with mba or, simply change topic, because I know you'd never admit wrong, well it'd be a miracle if you did.

A lil heads up son:
Try being smart, at least pretend to. See as Gombs is slapping you around with Scriptures.

vooks:
Paul gave the most. Care to share with us mortals o goD Bidam what he reaped or was expecting? Did the 'law of seed time and harvest time' apply to him? What about the 'reapers overtaking the sowers' anointing?

He gave up his comfort and status, was imprisoned, badly beaten severally nearly died so much that he exclaimed that he died daily, gave up his RIGHT to be supported by Corinthians and Thessalonians, gave up (re?)marriage- 1Cor 9.......what was his reward seeing Christ said we would reap hundredfold IN THIS WORLD? And what entitles you more than him? The fact that he lived 1950 years before you?


I don't mind if Christ Embassy hooligans can recite Oyaks philosophies backward, but when they misrepresent Holy Spirit/Scriptures, they sure are twisting Paul's writing to their damnation

Olodo rabata, there is no such thing as the above bold in the Bible. Oya argue let me embarrass you with Scriptures. There is seed time, but nothing like harvest time. Where did you pull out seed time and harvest time law from?

BabaGnoni:


But when the leading priests and the elders made their accusations against him, Jesus remained silent.
- Matthew 27:12 NLT

But Jesus made no reply, not even to a single charge--to the great amazement of the governor.
- Matthew 27:14 NIV

So Herod questioned him at considerable length; Jesus gave him no answer.
- Luke 23:9 Net Bible

After feeling threatened and intimidated, finally, some suddenly have found their voices

But when COZA pastor was silent, your band nailed him harder than Christ.
When Pastor Chris did not 'do a press conference', your lot pronounced him guilty.
When Pastor's don't spaek after being accused, he is termed guilty.
#Shameless

When one pastor like that on GOD tv seperated from his wife, you weren't silent o! Can anyone guess what he did?

Weldone, keep forming Jesus o!

See them wanting to discuss the book now!

Mad men with Internet access! Mtcheeeeeeeeeeeew.

Someone surely cannot deny he said the Snake thing, yet his minion, who doesn't want to snitch is here having verbal diarrhoea. #Shameless.

Gombs, calm down o! No send anyone to ICU o!

^^
Quit being childish already, you keep losing respect with your posts. Can you point anywhere, anytime gombs has used the word gloat? I follow him, and must have missed it in his posts. If you do, I will unfollow him and be on 3 months exile from NL.

Your ideology about working and earning wages is disrespectful to alot of us here who work. Wage slaving! How could you be this insensitive to people's lives?

Nannymcphee, good morning to you, seems we are the only ladies here!

Gombs:

Yeah! Surely. Here's Hagin's summary in a sentence.

"A stupid man's report (vooks et al) of what a clever man says (Hagin) can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears read into something he can understand.” ― Bertrand Russell, A History of Western Philosophy

Then with regards some folks who are saying Paul rebuked Peter in public glare, i summarised it thus;

“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use.” ― Søren Kierkegaardtags

Nlmediator's summary is below

“Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups.”  ― George Carlin

Meanwhile, my post you quoted has nothing to do with firstfruits, if you want to say something relating to someone else's post you quoted, make sure they are related. I have given my summary of what Hagin said, flip this thread 2-3 pages back, if you aren't satisfied, I'm sorry then, nothing much I can do.

The above should be archived!

Some people are too hypocritical. What is wrong in wearing a $2 cloth? Later they would complain when a millionaire Pastor owns a Bentley. Oh, of course they are pastors and should be on cheap cars and while they eg lobeez a millionaire should be in Bentley.

Some people stupidity amazes immortals.

PastorKun:


Are you this daft or you have English comprehension issues or you are just being deliberately dishonest like your god oyakhilome? That scripture makes it crystal clear that he was given the garment by herod.

Show us where the scriptures said, "and Herod gave them clothes to wear him" Herod gave them clothes to wear Him and watch his boys force down a crown of thorns on His head.

Gombs asked, like I did, which you seemingly didn't see. In Psalms 22, can we now say Herod dashed Jesus clothes and by that action, the clothes became Jesus'?

Your ineptitude is of gigantic proportions sha o

PastorKun:


Another thing that these WOF charlatans deliberately omit is that the garment Jesus wore to his crucifixion was not his own but a garment worn for him by Herrod to mock him as king of the jews.

Olodo rabata, read your Bible
John 19:23 Then the soldiers, when they had crucified Jesus, took his garments, and made four parts, to every soldier a part; and also his coat: now the coat was without seam, woven from the top throughout.

Read the post of nannymcphee you quoted, you'd notice "my clothing" "my garments" "my clothes"

Are you guys having brain malfunctions this morning?

*following

I got caught up in this thread again, and I must say, you guys are well cunning. In ths said book, I've read it and you all decided to twist it, some even acting a script as if they were in the meeting, assuming it held.

Now, why did you lot skip the other wonderful topics like
1.was Jesus poor (I loved the way the man explained it all)

2. The purpose of prosperity (another classic)

3. Should preachers prosper? (Another wonderful display of wisdom of God)

4. 24 principles from the Epistles regarding money, givin and receiving (A must read) . Weird enough, folks here didn't see it.

Then the Almighty chapter 6. Hagin was simply saying avoiding abuses and false practice, and he was so right. Never was he against giving or seed sowing. I thank you all for this book, gonna recommend it to alot of people. Hagin was indeed a blessing to the body.

Let me pm gombs, a thread on this book won't be a bad idea. He knows how to make it juicy!

I don't see why you guys are twisting what he said. Read the book and be wiser in regards giving. How on earth did you guys make some of your conclusions here makes me marvel. It's a 196 paged book, 2 hours is too much to finish it.

Heheheheheh, I think I know why they are calling G**bs a 'kid' (avoiding a mention). Aside him mopping some fellas here clean with the word, he seem to have this thing-whenever he leaves a thread WinsomeX and his crew are having a field day in, that's after he's made his points, the thread seems to die down, and hardly on the front page of the religion section.

For example, the threads about Pastor Chris by our noble elder stateman, the thread about the healing school with, proponents of touch not my Annointing by another elder.. etc. This seems to have pained our elder statesman and his minions. They know, the moment he leaves this one, and mba too, the thread gradually fades off. Little wonder the WoF baits they've thrown around.

I'm beginning to get familiar with this section and its unique nature. These elders can get personal eh? You can feel their rage when ever g**bs and mba are mopping them. Yet, when these elders open a thread, they atimes invite the 'kid' for opinion. I noticed it's been a tough ground, and elders here seem to be uncomfortable some kids are getting their blood pressure blaze new trails, reaching record heights.

Some elders made their purpose known, to sow seed-whatever they mean. Some carefully wish this thread is going to stop Cannan land from filling to the brim on sunday, or LCA to be scanty during meetings, because they sew seeds! Laughable, I tell you. If they call me a kid, it doesn't matter, neither is my person hurt, why? It's an opinion they are entitled to.

This thread started off and mba and gombs were giving punches, pulling down imaginations, and every high thing that exalted itself against the knowledge of God, in reality, they were well furnished with the word, and like image said, we can't do anything against the truth. G***s felt he's bullying, and opted out, I pulled him back, I have now noticed he doesn't like prolonged argument and debates, point noted. Now, he and mba are gone, if image follows suit, I give this thread 3days minimum, 6 days max, and it's a dead one. This is what majorly pains the elders, for that kid come in, makes a simpleton outta them and walks out, head high.

Anyways, quote me at your own expense, I won't reply, neither would I remain here. The church is too massive to change anything with too much talk and threads, yiur weapons of warfare are carnal, that's why your campaigns would always fail, use tithing as a reference-the anti tithe tract thread, no doubt some churches takes somethings to extremes, but hey, that does not mean all churches do, some church branch might take things too far, but that's why we pray, we don't take it to a discussion forum to 'sow seeds so that scales would fall off' or 'warn others' or 'preach the true gospel'. If only you knew the number of folks praying for the ministries you elders are trying hopelessly to bring down on nairaland, and the ministers. You will NEVER move outside nairaland.

If you want a change, pray fervently and fervidly. Talk is cheap. Meanwhile, keep hoping the scales will fall off my eyes too.

LambanoPeace signing out, call me his lawyer? Na you sabi, or maybe Pastor Chris has seriously damaged my brain? Na you sabi too

Warm Regards.

See the so called 'elders' attacking a 'kid'. #Shameless

Now shey it's to attack the messenger? Typical hypocrites, But Gombs, you sure got them pained.

What has age got to do with the knowledge of the Word? Are you folks saying the older you get the better the knowledge? Timothy was about 34 when he pastored the whole Ephesus, google how old was Appolos and The rest.

Oya, call me kid...bunch of misfits trying to get personal whenever there cornered by their lie. I can now understand why the Pharisees hated the young man Jesus, for they thought how can this 32 year old kid be forming senior?

Gombs, fire on jare

mbaemeka:


It really does not matter what sort of awe or fear anyone feels when they read whatever portion of scripture as long as they are reading it with the right interpretations. Someone can as well read the aspect of "women should not pray or prophesy with their head uncovered" and then develop the same fear and awe but only to use a paper as substitute in a situation where a scarf or what have you is unavailable. All such "awe and fear" will only be sensual, lacking spiritual import or verisimilitude. It means nothing to God. Hope you catch my drift.

The context talking about Christian service is your own convoluted cogitation at work. That it incorporates christian service does not limit the interpretation to just that and if you read the verses with the Berean eye that we all claim to have then you would have seen it in the light of the areas I emboldened. For example, when describing the Lukewarm nature of the works the lord said " You say you have riches, increased goods and you need nothing". Now tell me, how the afore could not be referring to something physical like wealth or what not and what was the Lord's advice to them? He said "buy from me gold tried by fire SO THAT YOU MAYBE RICH". That's why we can tell that he didn't see them as rich even though they lacked nothing in the physical sense.

Concerning what you wrote under the highlight of the Verse 17 you are only spinning yourself. You gave the same interpretation I did yet called my hogwash. I clearly said that he was addressing the same group he called Lukewarm in preceding verses as he used BECAUSE in vv.17 to explain why they were Lukewarm. To add to that he was addressing a CHURCH in Laodecia and not some "Nations" as you claim. He was calling a church that mixes worldly principles with Godly principles as Lukewarm. He was referring to the same band of folks that say they are Christians but they don't need God to prosper seeing that worldly men prosper as well. So my dear your own interpretation is the dangerous hogwash inchoated by a child that eats food from all the neighbours houses and begins to complain about the one given to her by her parents.

Oh please give me a break about Bill Gates for I knew it was going to come to that. I didn't say God doesn't regard his givings or what he has done for the poor. That is commendable. I said God doesn't regard him as rich because he doesn't attribute his success to God. Speaking of Cornelius, hope you realise he was a proselyte Jew. So his almsgiving and prayers were in line with the OT that had just changed. God was trying to let him know that so he sent an angel to him. Maybe we should ask Bill Gates if any angel has appeared to him concerning his giving. Being rich to God includes deriving material prosperity from God and using it for God's purposes. That's the only way we store treasures in heaven. So you should take the same eye salve to wash your own eyes and stop projecting your own inconsistencies on others.

If there ever was an archetype of illogical reasoning, it would be your interpretation of 2 Corinthians 6:10 that I mentioned and it comes to me as no surprise why you have delved into such folly. How can Paul who is "spiritually poor" now decide to make others "spiritually rich"? Does it make sense to you? Why is he dishing out a double standard? If being spiritually poor is good for him then my dear, it would be good for EVERY other christian so I see no reason why he would make others something different. Being Spiritually poor is what God expects of us. Jesus already said the poor in spirit are blessed so it would be wicked of Paul to remain blessed and then make others cursed.

A billion times No. Paul was referring to something physical there. That's why he said even if I am poor many are becoming rich through what I preach. Paul was defending his ministry! Read that whole chapter and see it.

When you say it is not the right of every christian to be wealthy that is what is wrong. If every christian has a right to be called righteous then he also has the same right to be rich. Salvation gave us access to the Abrahamic blessings which includes amongst other things wealth. If any christian decides to remain poor after such knowledge then there is nothing wrong with that but they must know about it for it belongs to them.

Like I have said before God is not going to make anyone rich. He has already made us rich. What we are to do is to discover it. If a man who is a cobbler, comes into Christ today and becomes aware of this truth. He will begin to prosper. Of course contentment is great gain but how do we define it? A man who cannot pay his kids school fee is he to be contented? What about the one that could not pay his rent? If such men believed this aspect of their salvation that we are showing to them all such challenges will be a thing of the past. That's what God's word says and I believe him so that pretty much settles it.

The above bold should be archived.

The blue one is a wonderful question. Wonderful piece mba, I am pondering, he who cannot pay his children's fees, should he be contented? Nice question. Wonder why these brethren keep saying Paul wasn’t referring to physical wealth... but when riches is described in bad light, they immediately attribute it to physical wealth. #DoubleStandards

Where on earth is Gombs? Gombs Gombs Gombs... 4 mentions now.

Gombs:
On a fairer note, I'd hav e to leave this thread. It now looks like a face off, and I don't really want to be responsible or be a direct or indirect reason to get someone on a bad side of things. I'm sorry, but it looks like I'm bullying. Not my intention if that's the case.

I've had friends leave CEC and advised me to come over with them...I've always refused. Though some left because of minimal issues like Pastor not siding them in a particular matter or that givings are 'too much'. My friend left because her pastor as she said was 'greedy', but she still misses Pastor Chris' meetings and messages.

Whatever be the reason for folks leaving, whoever was right or wrong isn't material here. If one is going to be better in their Christian life somewhere else, it's a big plus, where issues are is if they aren't.

Nannymcphee, your thread of proponents of touch not my annoited and this is a pointer, if you deem leaving CEC is best for you, for whatever reasons, do so. Thank you for your time.

Signing out!
Peace

Lobeez:

Wow! You must be high on some very cheap wine if you think CE has up to 20 million members.
I don't know how you guys arrive at such ridiculous numbers

Calculate Southern Africa (Zimbabwe, South Africa which is totally taken by BLW, Botswana etc), then Western Africa (Nigeria alone boasts of about 5 million, Ghana, Togo, Benin), then UK...and Western Europe, then North America (Canada, US). I've not mentioned Eastern Africa (Kenya, Uganda, etc), Asia (India), South America (Brazil, Venezuela, etc), Oceania (Australia, New Zealand), and the carribeans.

You really don't have an idea why it's called BLW nation?

mbaemeka:


There was a similar ignoramus who spoke as whimsically as you do. He cannot touch my posts now with a 100ft pole because I mopped him with the word of God as I would do to you again if you keep churning out these nonsensical statements. "There is nothing like unbelievers experience"? Try telling that to Isaac or what do you think Jesus meant when he said "Ye are in the world but not of it"? I don't even know where to begin with you on your delusions about "commanding God or trying to be like him". Have you ever seen anyone who went to the President in the name of the President? Do you see how ridiculous you sound with the idiotic notion you have that someone would command God?

As per God wills bla bla whatever way he likes et al. You only spoke like someone who reads the bible like a magazine or how else will you explain for example, how that a man who had never worked for 40 years began to walk immediately 2 disciples asked him to and in that instance not a single word was said to God to elicit the miracle?

I expect the dumb excuses or evasions to happen now in 3...2...

This should be archived! #Class

Wow! What a thread! I like the combination of Gombs and Mbaemeka in a thread... it's like a WWE Tag team of Legends like Hulk Hogan and Bret hitman Hart-always a marvel to see.

The icing would be having bidam and alwaystrue. Good job Gombs and mba so far!

SirJohn:


Mr Jo relax, why are you all worked up because I tried to teach you something you don't know. You put up a video of HIV cure on the internet, a video that lacks the ability to convince even a two year old, a poorly scripted act as some people will call it. And I simply advised that you provide evidence in your video, or is the video just for Nairaland? where you think you have bunch of idiots?
Stop blabbing and provide the medical evidence.

Secondly Jo, stop saying that I deny Jesus just because I try to expose snake oil salesmen like your boss.





So now its okay if you make a money bet, yet when I made mine you all cried wolf because you know it was impossible for you to cure any of the cases I listed

John, what says you? This is the closest to a proof...at least it is not far away Kenya

WinsomeX:

You can believe whatever you want. The thread is not read by only Christ Embassy members. There is still a public out there that still have ability to think.

Yeah, right!

WinsomeX:

Is it not laughable that while your opening statement is premised on an "if", the rest of your post is based on the certainty that what mbaemeka wrote is true. An "if" statement should also permit an "if not" too, don't you think? However, since your statement is clearly biased there is little or nothing one can say here to change your mind.

But let me make it clear to you that anyone who reads the account of the Kenyan cannot but agree that she is telling the truth. Most of us have very little at stake on this matter. She had her life hanging on the precipice. She could have lost it, if not for God's mercy. I am thankful to God she is alive to testify to the falsehood in Christ Embassy today.



I am not sure of which of my statement you are referring to but everything I have said here has been to buttress the Kenyan's position. Lest you find it difficult to comprehend me, SirJohn took the effort to explain the psyche of the deceived. Don't forget that this is a woman suffering a lifelong illness. She needed healing and could be desperate. She seeks help and sought CE. Like SJ said, she went through three stages of: "I'm healed in Jesus Name" in consonance with the faith jargon she had been taught. Then "I do not seem to be healed; what's happening to me", when the reality of the fact that the healing did not happen. The WOF folks here will have us believe she sinned or stopped having faith. But this is clearly not true as she continually "faithed", even keeping correspondence with a cancer patient who was also prayed for at the HS, who was encouraging her faith too but who is long dead now.

Then she reached her final point: "I was never healed at CE HS". This position was reached out of the trauma of not just seeing her HIV status restored but almost loosing her daughter to the illness. She also has many friends who attended the HS, who either are long dead or still suffering illnesses. She obviously couldn't continue the fraud. And she had nothing to loose in telling the truth.



Vooks has spoken already in the post above.



Well, I hope you see this in your mention.

On a final note here, I want to ask the Kenyan to get one or more of those she claims also attended the CE HS to come and give their own testimony here. We will look for a way to verify their claims and possibly provide medical records too. Hopefully that will put an end to all this.

But I doubt it will. My reason: the Christ Embassy Church is proving more and more to me to be a cult following than a church organization. If the wife of the leader, who lives with him and should know him, can say that Pastor Chris is committing adultery and we have the same set of people who are here defending his spurious claim to miraculous healing, defending a clear allegation by his own wife, it's clear that these people have lost their capacity to think. And anything that pours out of the lips of their idol is what they will believe. So, quite naturally, if Chris will have them believe that healing is occurring at the HS, no proof in heaven or earth will change their minds.

Kenyan28 can you make those provisions?

Damage control!

Are you saying Kenyan did not lie about anything?

Gombs:

Hmm.... Dear Lord Jesus

, no wonder she deleted her posts

Kenyan28:


Sir John spoke about discordance in couples a while ago.

Meaning? Your husband could not contact it but your child or what? Explain please. Was it faith or condoms or ... i mean, he knowingly slept with a HiV lady? Or maybe he was conviced you were negative, but then, why wasnt he positive? I'm sure you two had sexx before marriage, and for a whole 13month he was negative and you positive? I need explanations please. Thank you

AlfaSelltzer:

Hmm, who minds explaining the above underlined for me.

Gombs, are you sure you aren't a lawyer?

Yeah, someone should.

Gombs:

Hahahahahah, when pastor chris said he didn't commit adultery, and the media took it, what was your first response?

You want CEC to call a press conference to tell you a generator is returned? Really? Hahhahhaahaahhaahahaha

Your bitterness is well refined now o, it's so dark now that if onenhas a knife, he'd cut a cut out of it

*Falls off keke laughing

nannymcphee:

I hope the quote below will address ur last paragraph, he said according to his knowledge, it wasn't a statement of certainty


Q1. Site a newspaper publication where "the Church" returned the generator?

If there is none, how do u expect the public to know that it was returned? Even if there is one, the man said "according to the best of the knowledge"

Really? Take this example, the media accused Pastor Chris of Adultery, alot of folks believed, he came out and said he did not, alot of folks said he's lying, newspaper publication like the one Candour provided said otherwise, yet alot of folks say the writer is cEC member, they could also have suggested the news media too was CEC's.

And you believed the line "to the best of my knowledge" over mba's own because a news media did not carry the news? Really? You definitely would stake your life for Sahara reporters o. But even if punch or sun carried news the generator was returned, alot of y'all would still not believe.

If CEC published the generator was returned alot of folks here would say 'damage control', 'liars', etc, so, why bother?

Gombs:

sahara reporters are not reliable folks, over the years they incredibly outdid drummaboy aka WinsomeX, Goshen and Candour in dishonesty, a feat that is superbly legendary on NL. (Gombs, 2014)

putting them up as source is damning, besides these, the writ was just too long. Thanks anyway.

but do you also think i worship my Pastor? why and how did you reach such conclusions?

Seun thank you for Nairaland, i laughed at the above and almost choked myself..

Candour:

You are only an echo machine my young man with no ideas of your own. You have nothing to discuss. I'll advice you wait for your mentors to speak then you can carry on your job of echoing, laughing and posting pictures to amplify whatever they say as you always do.

If anybody is pained, its those who say these discussions mean nothing yet refuse to ignore the thread.

A lady actually, and it's funny your pained butt didn't doubt or attack the stats Gombs gave, for you know they were true, but rather than admit you picked the silliest route to attack an idiom.

I follow Gombs on NL, I see all he posts, sometimes I laugh and move on, sometimes I have to comment, and like he said, mention features keeps bringing him back. You see? Shame on you for trying to score cheap points by attacking an idiom

Pervert!

Candour:

My dear, that your thread you cited was bad business for whatever your intentions of opening it was. You only helped to spread very unsavoury news about one man's problem with his wife. I congratulate you on that.

Also what has mini skirts got to do with your defence? My friend, go and marry and stop wondering whenever you see a mini skirt.

Finally, if nothing you discuss here changes anything, why are you worked up? Why do you feel a compulsion to engage those with contrary opinions? Could it be that you don't even believe what you wrote about discussions here not changing anything? If I were you, I wouldn't waste time my time like that.

You sound pained, that was a classic saying by Gombs, it should be archived. Ever hear of the word idiom?
#Tuale

Gombs:

WinsomeX, rather than answer the OP, you went an the usual essays, finally attempting the OP... when would you understand that long gists in a forum like this is not sellable?