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malakh7:
[color=orange]oh pleease! ..there is no original TV as everyone thinks their TV is original.
And don't quote scriptures for me, one would have to agree with the accuracy of an instrument before it can be used.




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malakh7:
[color=orange][b]oh pleease! ..there is no original TV as everyone thinks their TV is original.
And don't quote scriptures for me, one would have to agree with the accuracy of an instrument before it can be used.

Is the Witness that grows up in America listening to immoral 'pop' music more righteous than the Baptist missionary in Indonesia? Should the Nepalese monk, isolated from the world and Bible be destroyed for living the life of abstinence that he truly believed and was indoctrinated to understand was the way to achieve oneness with God?

When a religion teaches absolute truth, it makes sense anyone not believing this truth is worshipping falsehood. Anyone not worshipping Jehovah is worshipping Satan, and so deserves destruction. If truth is easy to understand and God attracts his sheep, there is no excuse not to follow it. The flaw in this reasoning is that no Organization teaches absolute truth. Jehovah's Witnesses certainly do not teach it. In its short 130 year history the Watchtower Society has changed its teachings so substantially that they have no right to claim a unique ability to understand truth. It is illogical to state God gave Russell the many wrong teachings that the Watchtower later had to reject.


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paulGrundy:
Aha beautiful! now we are getting somewhere.

malakh7:
[color=orange]There are 12 classical world religions and over 34,000 Christian sects. Most of these say that salvation requires following their particular God. The extremist sects say that belonging to their particular sect is a requirement for salvation. If you are a Witness, imagine for a second that the Watchtower Society is not the true religion. Do you think it fair that God is going to destroy you for being part of the wrong religion? As the Watchtower discourages active examination of other beliefs, would it be fair that you will shortly die for not finding the correct one?[/color]

paulGrundy:
But even at that it raises a very important issue, watchtower interpretations are inconsistent.

paulGrundy:
Jwfacts.com is not biased though its very critical. I have seen the other side , and believe you me, its filled with lies misquotes, exaggerations, misleading information and misrepresentations.

paulGrundy:
Not true? Lol you are very funny

Then who leaked it to the internet? Maybe satan came out from hades and snatched the book so that he can copy and paste on the internet.

malakh7:
[color=orange]well I don't ...so please ..answer [/color]

paulGrundy:
Jwfacts.com puts to checks and balances on the exaggerations and right sided biasedness of jw.org. Like I said earlier, their claims are based on facts, evidence.

I guess you know that jw.org is biased in favour of jehovahs witnesses.

paulGrundy:
Your elders ofcourse.

Anyway I enjoyed the conversation we had I do hope we can have more discussions like this in future.

malakh7:
[color=orange]and who do you guys believe Jehovah see as righteous?
Which Christians are "living up to Jehovah's righteous principles?"
Definitely not "Babylon the great" (Christendom Churches [other churches])
right? [/color]

paulGrundy:
There have been several cases of contradictions in watchtower literature. That's a discussion for another day let me state one:

SUPERIOR AUTHORITIES



Source: jwfacts.com

malakh7:
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And by "The Faithful" ...you mean "The Faithful Jehovah's Witnesses" right?

paulGrundy:
Several copies of your secretive elders manual » pay attention to yourself and to your flocks« has leaked into the internet. I only refused to quote it here because of legal concerns for Seun and for nairaland.

paulGrundy:
Jwfacts is based on facts, evidence. Remember what the bible said,:

A simple man believes anything he hears, a wise man understands the need for proof

Checks out the facts on that site, and confirm if they are true or not.

paulGrundy:
So then if the bible has never contradicted itself, and watchtower literature has contradicted itself,

What does that tell you?

Some of watchtower interpretations are not based on the bible.

mesoade:
11. They are very hypocritic
12. They are beggars, na #10 u get wey u wan buy kulikuli take chop garri,den dis ppl wil cum,dem go preach 4 u finish dey beg 4 money.tchai! Hunger wire me dat day sha

paulGrundy:
For the record, I am not a jw, was never a jw can never be a jw.

paulGrundy:
So does the Bible contradict itself? Does the bible flip flop (inconsistency) on a subject?

paulGrundy:
For an unbaised view of jehovahs witnesses visit wikipaedia.

For a critical, fact based and accurate view of Jehovah's witnesses visit:

jwfacts.com

paulGrundy:
MATTEW 24:6 NKJV

 And you will hear of wars and rumors of wars. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

[s] MATTEW 24:6 Jehovahs Witness Bible

 And the beginning of the bloodiest wars and rumors of wars shall begin in 1914. See that you are not troubled; for world war 1 must come to pass in order to give credence to an american religion, but the end is not yet.[/s]

xamuel17:
This is front page material.. Frm the little experience I have heard with jehovah witness, they are very self willed and do not want to here another person point of view towards Christianity

paulGrundy:
Rape can be fornication

paulGrundy:
So when a gun is fixed on a sisters head. During a molestation and she doesn't resist she has commited fornication beautiful!

How sensitve of the governing body. Moses would be turning in his grave by now because of the lies told on his behalf.

paulGrundy:
Watchtowers anonymous historians you meant to say?

paulGrundy:
Basically we are still saying the same thing, therefore my earlier stance was correct, you can be disfellowshipped as a jehovahs witness sister for being a victim of molestation chikena!

paulGrundy:
Watchtower 1968 June 1 pp.345-50

The Christian's View of Self-Defense

If you are a Christian woman, what should you do if, in spite of all precautions, you are set upon by a rapist? If you cannot deter him by reasoning, or by calling upon the name of Jehovah, then what? As a Christian you are under obligation to resist. This resistance includes screaming and creating as much disturbance as possible to try to frighten off the attacker and attract help. If the attack continues and you cannot break free to flee, then you would be justified even to inflict damage on your assailant if necessary. Resistance is imperative because the rapist is after, not just money, but your virtue. An issue of integrity to Jehovah's laws is involved here. So by no means would it be proper quietly to submit to rape, as that would be consenting to fornication. -1 Thess. 4:3.

The principle is like that set out at Deuteronomy chapter 22. There it states: "In case there happened to be a virgin girl engaged to a man, and a man actually found her in the city and lay down with her, you must also bring them both out to the gate of that city and pelt them with stones, and they must die." Why would the girl have died under that Law covenant? The scripture continues: "The girl for the reason that she did not scream in the city." If she did not make the effort to scream, she was viewed as consenting to fornication. But if the woman screamed and resisted and nonetheless was overpowered, then she was not guilty of complicity: "The girl . . . screamed, but there was no one to rescue her."-Deut. 22:23-27.

[b]Would it be different if the man had a weapon and threatened to kill you if you did not submit? No, the Scriptures plainly state that Christians are under obligation to "flee from fornication."(1 Cor. 6:18) It is true that you face the possibility of death in this case. But you have no guarantee that if you meekly submit, your assailant will not kill you anyhow to avoid identification.

Christian women are wise if they do all they can to avoid making themselves targets for rapists. Knowing that the morals of this generation are sinking to new lows, take every precaution. In unsafe areas avoid traveling alone after dark. As Ecclesiastes 4:12 states: "If somebody could overpower one alone, two together could make a stand against him. And a threefold cord cannot quickly be torn in two." Also consider how you dress. If a woman adopts the provocative, suggestive styles of dress now so prevalent, she indicates that she is a woman of loose morals, and in so doing she may invite trouble.[/b]

paulGrundy:
Another lie the watchtower told you. The bloodiest war ever known was world war 2 and it was between 1939-1945, not 1914.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_by_death_toll

The watchtower is trying very hard to valdate pastor Russels chronology and reinforce his credibility as her first president.

paulGrundy:
It would have passed 20 sef its very common to see the words soon, imminent, few years in watchtower literature stop decieving yourself.

539 A.D.
1780
1798
1799
1829
1840
1844
1846
1872
1874
1878
1880
1881
1891
1906
1910
1914
1915
1917
1918
1920
1921
1925
1926
1928
1932
1935
1940s
1951
1975
2000
Ongoing

Was 1914 the only year war broke out? How about world war 2?

Well I guess JESUS has marked his return several times.

And the 144,000 are jehovahs witnesses, so basically according watchtower literature ONLY jehovahs witness will make heaven.

Contradicting yourself

paulGrundy:
So 1914 was the only year there was war and rumours of war, interesting.