BRIGHTRIVERS:
Here it is people. It's really cloned right?

Jeez! Ram 447mb? These igbo boys are really wicked. Baba jejely just return the phone back, it's faker than fake

MizMyColi:


Usually, I ignore posts like yours after making myself clear. But for posterity's sake, I will give a last reply.




First off, you foisted the "Tecno Marketer" ish on me because, around here, being called, not just any kind of marketer but a tecno marketer discredits you and I perceive that is what you are desperately trying to do here. So even those who do it purely for the love and passion are labelled such. I am also reliably informed that competing Chinese OEM brands do what they can to badmouth Tecno and frustrate their efforts at becoming a better brand. Whether you are one of such reps, I don't know.

Okay wait, I'm trying to get something here....
Let's assume for once that I WORK for Tecno, like I am a full blown Tecno Staff who is responsible for selling their devices on Social Media.
And then someone engages me in a convo about C9, and I tell the person what I know to be true about the device and how much I like it, then, such is not to be trusted simply because I am a Tecno staff and not because I have actually cheated or given them wrong information in the past?

Oh please,stop being impossible. Oh well, as much as you want it to be, that's not the case.

Now, I've decided to allow myself be addressed as one on here because in the real world, I am a marketer. I studied advertising and I work as an advertiser cum client services personnel. I persuade people using facts, and emotions where necessary to patronise me.
But like I have said on here, lying or puffery (which is actually a downside of advertising) is against my personal work ethos.

Marketers (Paid/Unpaid) (recognised or not) are the engine room of an organisation.

If a bank marketer approaches me, I cannot dismiss him completely because he is a marketer. Same with the insurance guy and the one who sells baby diapers. As long as they do not employ dishonesty, and dishonest means, being a marketer is something one should be proud of.

I AM.

A person who is a diehard fan of ManU FC tries passionately to convince me to join his club as a fan. He wears manU t-shirts, he eats and sleeps ManU. ManU does not and may never know him,but he promotes ManU. According to that definition I posted on who a marketer is, He is a ManU marketer for promoting his favorite clubside.

You can liken this analogy to yours truly. In this case, as a Tecno (promoter) Marketer Tecno is beginning to know me (and by this, I mean those who really matter). I feel lucky Someday, hopefully,when I join their digital marketing team, I hope to help in impacting sales, changing perceptions and projecting the brand globally.



My love for Tecno isn't so much about the device as it is about the spirit behind the brand called Tecno. Where it was, where it is, and where it can be. Go and tell that ManU fan to sell all his life savings plus himself just so he can watch ManU live at Old Trafford to "prove" his love for ManU nau

My Husband buys me a device ( even if it is Nokia3310) and I should sell it to buy my desired Tecno device? Do you know if I have other pressing things I need money for? and then to actually sell something I was gifted with by the one man who means more than I would ever fully comprehend in this life to me? Mr Exposer, are you being dumb here or just plain insensitive?I

Answer Please

All this long epistle, jeez na so e pain you. Anyway, I've made my point pretty clear. I'm a fan, no now I'm a tecno marketer, whatever rocks your boat. Truth is, you can't work for a brand and expect not to bend the truth a bit to suit the interests of said brand, anything to the contrary and you'll find yourself looking for another job. For someone who thinks she's smart, it seems this bit of undeniable truth about being a marketer has eluded you or you choose to act ignorant about it, so madam save the "I shall be a crusader of honest marketing" for someone more naive.

Secondly my dear, please don't give this flimsy comparison between a football club fan and a marketer to an employer else you'll lose that job opportunity. If you truly understood the definition of marketing as you claimed to, you'd note that marketing involves advertising GOODS AND SERVICES. This means whether or not you're an employee of a company, any activity aimed at raising awareness or influencing others to PURCHASE A PRODUCT or ACQUIRE A PARTICULAR SERVICE is what is known as Marketing. A football fan does not promote anything except brag and show support for his club. You on the other hand encourage people to BUY tecno products and you also regularly put out posts about new tecno devices. Inadvertently or not, you're not just a fan madam, you're a marketer. GBAM !

And thirdly, there is nothing wrong if, as a "fan" of Tecno you choose to sell your iPhone to get a tecno device, after all that's what gadget fans do all the time. Your 'husband' in the first place should've known this (because surely as "the one who means so much to you" he should be aware of how much you love tecno) and gotten you that dream tecno phone instead, assuming this whole story has a shred of truth. I think it's sheer hypocrisy for a supposed tecno fan to be posting about her love of Tecno phones via an iPhone. If you don't find that remotely wrong, then you're the one who's insensitive here or perhaps even plain dumb. Using your albeit incorrect analogy that's like saying you love MAN U while putting on a Liverpool jersey.
Like I said earlier I'm simply here to expose you as a hypocrite, nothing more.

MizMyColi:


Hmmm, I sense painment plus jealousy or maybe one of both.
I won't be surprised to find that this is an alt account. However, I will indulge you

1. What is the statutory definition of a marketer?
One that deals in a market; specifically: one that promotes OR sells a product or service

Take a look at the emboldened again.

In that case, I am not just a Tecno Fan but a Marketer as well. A proud marketer. I am proud to associate myself with Tecno. They have risen from a lot of rubble to a brand that lots of unbelievers now proudly hold and call their own. I promote Tecno whenever and however I can. People around me now consult me before buying their device. Based on their requirements, I suggest and they buy!
I am awesome like that

Asides Tecno Marketer which I have adopted from this day forward, I'd like to give you a list of names people call me, feel free to make your pick and use interchangeably as you wish

Tecno Fan
Madam Tecno
Ada Tecno
Iya Tecno



2. Tecno advertises on Nairaland. You haven't seen their banner ads? Is it a robot that places them? Advertising is a marketing function. duhh *rolls eyes* and social/digital media is a huge part of it.

3. As a matter of fact, none of the phones I use now was bought with my money. Like I clearly stated, as it stands now, I cannot afford my desired Tecno device. I'm sure you missed the memo where I wailed about my stolen Tecno devices and my Q10. Whatever dude, your opinion

4. You repeated yourself here. Point 3 above should take care of that, I suppose.

I asked Tecno for an Opportunity to experience their device. It's not an easy feat. They granted me one.

Oh, I didn't even mention on this thread that there are actually gift packs that will be handed to me when the courier guy comes to pick up the device. Lucky me!! Yaaayyy

And oh, I won't be returning they won't be coming for it anytime soon

Whatever your qualms are, deal with it, I have tried to help you as much as I can.

Nah this is my real account, hiding behind different usernames is peculiar to you tecno marketers. According to your replies..
1. Thank you for finally admitting you're a tecno marketer. Which means every comment or post you make henceforth(for those who actually believe you just came out of the box) about tecno devices shall expectedly be biased. We know who NOT to take advice from concerning tecno products now.
2. I was referring to the unconventional method of false advertising you tecno marketers use here. And yes, advertising is a marketing function which buttresses my point, tecno uses both legit and false advertising to market their products on Nairaland. Thanks for helping to make that clearer.
3. One simple question, if you love tecno devices so much, why didn't you sell your iPhone or the other "gifts" you were given to purchase your "desired" affordable tecno device?
4. Nope, the third was intended to show that you're deceitful, the fourth to show that you're a hypocrite.
Oh honey, now why on earth would I be jealous that you got a phone. You practically begged for it, I believe that's humiliating enough for you. My only intention was to expose you as a liar and a hypocrite which I'm very much sure I've accomplished. P.S some persons just hate liars when they see one. Ciao

Lol has the quarrel ended?

MizMyColi:
Okay, my people
I feel particularly elated and surprised anddddd maybe a tiny tweeny little bit disappointed

I have always wanted to experience Phantom 6 plus, but for a while now, I couldn't. If I had the money for it now, I will just goan buy it. But I don't....yet.

So I decided to go through one of their dedicated Twitter channels @XperienceTecno.
Tbh, I wasn't really expecting a reply from them, but I sha said let me try my luck.
All this Tecno warrior princess I do on NL cannor Coman be in vain na.


And voila!
They replied as seen in the screen shots below and this morning I received my package after sending my details via private messaging.

I feel elated and surprised because I wasn't expecting the delivery to happen this fast.
And then I feel small disappointment because I was already dreaming of phantom 6 plus.

But no wahala sha.
I will do justice to this Beauty before me.

In the coming days, I will be posting my own exclusive review of the device and its performance, so please, stay tuned!

If anything your post has proven four things
1. After much denying, you're actually a tecno marketer.
2. Tecno is aware of the marketing activities here on nairaland which proves there are other tecno marketers here as well.
3. You're not an honest tecno marketer because after all the preaching here you're using an iPhone or aren't those ios features in your screenshots?
4. You don't believe in the brand you purportedly claim to be loyal to, or how else do you explain owning an iPhone whose cost, fairly used or brand new can afford you one of those "awesome" tecno devices.

Thanks for coming clean and remember to return the phone back after giving your review.

gentlegenius:

First of all, let me congratulate you for making the top 5 in the list.
You see, I agree with you that most of the threads in the phone section is about TECNO. But what were you expecting? Should people be talking about other brands like Infinix, Gionee, Injoo and co? Even those who praise other brands here, have you ever called them marketers? The fact that people praise TECNO more than others simply shows that TECNO has more fans than other brands in Nigeria. Don't you get it? It doesn't mean that all those praising them are their marketers There's difference between fans and marketers. If you visit a forum where people talk about football clubs, a lot of Nigerians/Africans will be praising Chelsea FC. Does that mean they are Chelsea marketers? I know a lot of Gionee fans here on Nairaland but I can't call them Gionee marketers. I think it's 'madness' for people to be shocked, frustrated or angry to see many fans talking about Tecno when they know too well that Tecno has taken over the Nigerian/African market. This wailing is uncalled for and it's the reason why I created this thread.

Okay sir, I haff here. Tecno "fans" who all registered on nairaland on the same day lol. You and your cronies shenanigans isn't fooling anyone except yourselves, so please continue. Say hi to your fellow tecno "fans" for me.

Lol, please stop deceiving yourself. Who has time to hate on a brand that's not even recognized on Gsmarena. You guys keep comparing your devices with iPhones yet the only thing Apple knows about tecno is that it's a music genre. Honestly I'd be disappointed if all the tecno related topics that are all over nairaland weren't created by marketers bcuz in this Buhari era when people are huzzling to feed themselves only a jobless idle person will be spending hours on nairaland creating and hopping from one tecno related thread to the other. If your brand is as popular and successful as you claim then why ask marketers to create different accounts and give hyperbolic comments. Why not let your customers do the talking? Someone complained that 80% of the topics here are all Camon c9 related and yet there's no single discussion thread made by users. As sirlewis said you guys are destroying your brand's image because everyone on this thread is aware of the deceptive means you guys are using to advertise your phones. So in the actual sense, since you've done more damage yourselves to your brand's reputation, you guys are the actual tecno haters.

Dannybrainz:

Am confused oo.. So if someone discusses a native doctor here, then he advertises for him... Ok i kw what to do.... Straight to benin

Ode! See your life! You came back to quote yourself with another one of your accounts. Your stupidity expands beyond the reaches of the universe.

Dannybrainz:

Reading mindset is very important... What was on ur mind wen you quote those text?

Seriously! Can't you at least try to be discrete? Do you think I wouldn't know this is another one of your accounts? Your existence is futile and that thing wobbling in your skull is evidently useless! For someone who thinks he can deceive others, you're just a dummkopf.


@Norman4real I hope from all this you can now see proof that there are actually dimwitted tecno marketers on nairaland using different profiles.

sorextee:
The op above, what's with the digging of his/her profile?

No hassle. I'm just passing a message to the tecno "fans" that not all nairalanders are as gullible and stupid as they think

winnijaf:



You Quoted my Account and i really do not see any marketing whatsoever in my post. This is Blatant defamation of Username. Kindly Remove this Pix.

Oh, I'm sorry. Maybe I should've quoted your other accounts tecno "fans"

Definition of marketer in English:

marketer

Pronunciation: /ˈmɑːkɪtə/

NOUN

A person or company that advertises or promotes something

Example below

Errm , Piusman, Penaldo and Ibibiofirstlady can you guys explain why you're all registered on nairaland on the same day?

LMAO. Happy married life to them. I hope his wife is submissive

Kenneth10110:
Aren't people buying d Camon C9

Obviously there are no or very few people who have actually bought the phone. All the topics, user reviews and comments you've been seeing about the C9 all over nairaland were all made by paid bloggers and tecno marketers to overhype the phone.

AnnabelR0se:
lol the screenshot above shows your remaining RAM not RAM used , camon c8 is still better i can upload my tecno w4 own for you to see

You're not deceiving anyone but yourself. Anyone who has actually used a c8 knows it indicates the amount of ram used.

paulinoace0:

Don't have 2 much time for arguments cause am busy with other things
Take a look at this screen shots
Am not running any app on my c8 look at the ram usage
But am running 7 apps on my hot2 look at the ram usage

No point defending your points bro it's clear enough for anyone smart to see. Guys don't purchase tecno as before, 8 out of 10 guys I see every day use an infinix note or hot 2.

ibibiofirstlady:
Even C8 multitask better.


PS I proudly use boomJ8

Look at how you're displaying your ignorance. C8 multitasks better? When the number one problem of c8 is that you can't even run more than 2 apps at a time. 2016 and people are still installing ram expander on top 1 GB ram phone. Be here deceiving people, karma will pay you back.

daphid25:

STFU

Na so e pain. Sowi ehn

JanethEze:
This is good news. Finally

daphid25:
And some people will tell you Tecno phones don't get updates

Which backwater village did tecno get you guys from sef?! Custom rom resemble official Ota update to you abi? Tecno marketers, smh again.

With the impending release of tecno camon c9 I doubt they'll ever come around to resolve the current problems on the c8. That's what tecno does, release a phone, over hype it then abandon it for the next one and the cycle continues. Very useless company.

oluwadaemilola:
you've got to be kidding me i have never noticed this

How will you notice when you're one of the useless tecno marketers! You even have the nerve to comment on this thread. You guys are just hopelessly stupid.

I'm glad to see we still have vigilant Nigerians out there. If Nigeria was not so third world we won't even have all these one star rated phone companies selling their phones here. That's why they can't even dare market their brands in advanced countries like the US cuz no one would buy their substandard phones.

There's nothing wrong with being rich, what matters is how you get the wealth. Imagine a yahoo guy going to church to "thank God for His blessings". Let's face reality, to be rich these days you have to get your hands dirty. Even those who are fortunate enough to get to the top end,what kind of lives do they live? Mostly hedonistic. Rather than give to the needy they go on Instagram to flaunt their wealth, causing others to envy them and do anything possible to have same. When the bible said the love of money is the root of all evil, it wasn't mincing words. And being rich doesn't equate happiness neither is it a mark of righteousness before God. The Apostle Paul was a tent maker who experienced shipwrecks and was beaten on many occasions. That doesn't sound like a glamorous life. If only you all knew what these celebs go through in their private lives to maintain their status you'd thank God for the little you have. Madam Toke herself has had her fair share of the pain and embarrassment that comes with living life in the public eye.

Today, many Christians believe in a place of eternal torment where sinners are sent after death, commonly referred to as “Hell” in English. This belief is extremely mainstream and forms part of the basic perception of the religion in popular culture. Which is strange, because some say the evidence for eternal punishment as an integral part of the Christian religion is virtually nonexistent. See what you think!

10 The Bible Barely Mentions It


Most Christian believers in the idea of Hell will tell you that it’s a place of punishment for sinners and evildoers. But does that idea have a scriptural basis? According to Romans 6:7 , “he that is dead is freed from sin.” So if a person’s sins are cleared with his or her death, then what’s with the additional punishment of Hell? Well, Romans 6:23 goes on to state that “the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Note that there is no mention of sinners being condemned to everlasting torture, they simply don’t get the reward for living a righteous life. Similarly, 2 Thessalonians 1:9 says that the punishment for those deemed wicked is not fiery torture, but destruction, “shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might.”
John 3:36 strikes roughly the same note, declaring that sinners “will not see [eternal] life.” Meanwhile,
Jude 1:7 does mention “eternal fire,” but only in the context of Sodom and Gomorrah, which are literally destroyed by the eternal fire of God’s wrath. That leaves brief mentions in the Book of Revelation and two of Christ’s parables as the Biblical basis for the fiery Hell of popular imagination (more on those verses later). But if a place of eternal torment was truly intended as an integral component of Christianity, surely it’s strange that the Bible never seems to pay much attention to it?

9 Endless Punishment Doesn’t Make Biblical Sense Anyway


From a Christian perspective, the idea of Hell is not only cruel and unusual, but totally excessive. Would a God described in the Bible as “a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right” decide that infinite punishment is just and fair? 1 John 4:8 states that God is the very concept of love. Would a loving father eternally torture his child as punishment, even if the child did something seriously wrong? Deuteronomy 19:21 famously states “an eye for an eye,” a principal of equal punishment that seems rather out of sync with the idea of literally endless torment as retribution for the sins of a short mortal life.
In fact, the fiery Hell of popular imagination seems even harsher after considering God’s words in
Jeremiah 7:31 : “They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire—something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind.” If the idea of humans being burned in fire is so unappealing to God that it never even came into His thoughts, then what’s His deal with Hell?

8 Many References To Hell Were Mistranslations


When it comes to misconceptions about Hell, the popular 17th-century King James Version (KJV) of the Bible has a lot to answer for. For example, in the KJV, the prophet Jonah was in the “ belly of Hell ,” while David bafflingly insists that God would be with him even in Hell . Even Jesus pops down to Hell after his death on the cross.
This obviously makes no sense. The Bible repeatedly states that Hell, whatever else it is, involves separation from God. So why is Jesus swinging by for a visit and why is David so sure that God would be with him there? In fact, if God is with David, why would he be in Hell in the first place? The answer is that the KJV lumps a whole bunch of different Greek and Hebrew words together under the English term “Hell.” The words in question are Hades, Sheol, Tartarus, and Gehenna, and they can have very different meanings in their original context.
That’s particularly important to Hades and Sheol, which are roughly equivalent words in Greek and Hebrew. Neither can reasonably be translated as “place of torment,” which is what the word “Hell” now generally implies. A better translation might be “the grave” or “the afterlife.” Neither term carries a value judgment in the way that “Hell” does—only the wicked go to Hell, but all souls are in Sheol after death. So David’s weird KJV claim that God would be with him in “Hell” is better translated as “the afterlife” or even “the depths.” While the KJV
references Jesus being in Hell after his death on the cross, the New International Version makes a much less dramatic reference to him being in his “grave.” In fact, the New International Version only refers to Hell 15 times, compared to a whopping 54 mentions in the KJV.
Other modern Bibles try to avoid such problems altogether by simply leaving “Sheol” and “Hades” untranslated, although this hasn’t quite undone the influence of the KJV. As the Encyclopedia Americana of 1942 put it : “Much confusion and misunderstanding has been caused through the early translators of the Bible persistently rendering the Hebrew Sheol and the Greek Hades and Gehenna by the word ‘Hell.’ The simple transliteration of these words by the translators of the revised editions of the Bible has not sufficed to appreciably clear up this confusion and misconception.”

7 ‘Gehenna’ Is Controversial, Too

So if “Hades” and “Sheol” don’t match the modern perception of Hell, that leaves “Gehenna.” (“Tartarus” is also sometimes translated as “Hell,” but the term only appears once in the Bible, and not in relation to humans, so it has limited relevance here.) “Gehenna” is certainly the Biblical term most often rendered “Hell” in English. For example, the New International Version of Matthew 5:30 states: “If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into Hell.” Scary, right?
It all comes down to the controversy over the exact meaning of “Gehenna.” The word itself is a Greek rendering of the Hebrew terms ge-hinnom and ge-ben-hinnom , which mean “valley of the sons of Hinnom” and refer to an actual valley just outside ancient Jerusalem. The valley first appears in the Old Testament as the location of fiery pagan child sacrifices, which continue at least until 2 Kings 23:10, which describes how Josiah ravaged the site so “that no man might make his son or his daughter to pass through the fire to Moloch.” By the time of Jesus, the term was apparently used metaphorically to refer to a place of fiery destruction, and Jesus uses it 11 times in this context. It’s interesting to note that Hebrew had no word for such a concept and Jesus apparently felt no need to introduce one, preferring to make historical allusions instead.
Or maybe not. According to some scholars, the valley of Gehenna had essentially become Jerusalem’s incinerator by the time of Christ. It featured constantly burning fires, which consumed the city’s garbage and the bodies of criminals and the disgraced. This tradition is quite old, but not supported by any real evidence or ancient accounts, although it is strange that Jesus refers to bodies being destroyed in Gehenna as well as souls.
In any case, none of Christ’s references to Gehenna suggest any kind of eternal torment. Certainly, the fires of Gehenna are described as eternal, but Jesus specifically warns that they will be used to “ destroy both soul and body .” Removing unrighteous people from existence, as that verse suggests, doesn’t sound particularly like torturing them forever. The second meaning can only be inferred by readers who already have that concept of Hell.

6 Jesus Didn’t Invent His Parable About Hell


So is the idea of a fiery Hell completely alien to the Bible? Not at all. It’s right there in the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus, as recorded in Luke 16:19-31 . In the story, a wealthy man lives it up while ignoring a beggar named Lazarus. But the pair experience a dramatic role reversal after their deaths, when Lazarus is carried off by angels to a blissful existence in the bosom of Abraham, while the rich man finds himself tormented in a blazing fire. The rich man begs Lazarus to take pity on him and bring him some water, but Abraham points out that the rich man had a great life and never took pity on Lazarus. Abraham also refuses to resurrect Lazarus to warn the rich man’s family to change their ways, arguing that they can choose to follow the prophets or not, but witnessing a miracle won’t suddenly make them good people.
This is probably the closest the Bible gets to the modern conception of Hell. However, it’s important to note that the Bible doesn’t present it as a true story or a straightforward warning about the afterlife. Christ’s parables are clearly fictional stories designed to convey a message. As Warren Prestidge points out, the Rich Man and Lazarus is immediately preceded by the Parable of the Unjust Steward, where a servant defrauds his master and gets rewarded for it. If you ignored the deeper meaning of the parables, you’d conclude that Jesus thought stealing from your boss was great.
In fact, Jesus didn’t even come up with the story in the first place. Scholars have long identified the general outline (a beggar is rewarded after death, while a rich man is punished) as an Egyptian folktale that became popular with Jewish religious teachers like the Pharisees, to the point that early Jewish literature contains at least seven versions of it. In Luke’s account, Jesus only brings the story up after the Pharisees mock his original Parable of the Unjust Steward, thus using one of their own favorite stories to demonstrate their hypocrisy. With this context, it’s hard to see the parable as a serious account of the Christian afterlife.

5 The Other Verses Aren’t Conclusive Either


The Bible also contains a reference to eternal fiery torture in Revelation 20:10-15 , which refers to a “lake of burning sulfur” where entities are “tormented day and night for ever and ever.” Of course, the entities involved apparently include “death” and “Hades,” which are not actual people able to experience actual suffering. In other words, this is symbolism. Just as these aren’t literal people, neither is the location they are assigned to.
That leaves the Parable of the Sheep and the Goats, as found in the Book of Matthew . In the story, which hovers somewhere between a parable and a straightforward sermon, Jesus appears to speak of the Last Judgment, when sinners will be banished “into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.” This section of the sermon/parable is fairly direct and clearly not part of a fictional story like the Rich Man and Lazarus. The parable ends with an apparent reference to unending torment: “Then [the unrighteous] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” For these reasons, the Sheep and the Goats is generally considered the key Bible passage behind the popular conception of Hell.
However, many theologians argue that this interpretation of the Sheep and the Goats contradicts a number of other Bible verses, which explain the fate of the unrighteous at the Last Judgment as fiery destruction via “the second death.” If the unrighteous are destroyed, they can’t be tormented forever. Some Biblical scholars argue that, while the fire of punishment is described as eternal, that doesn’t mean the wicked will be punished there for all eternity. Rather, the punishment is total destruction in the holy fire, which has always existed. In other words, the eternal punishment (“aionios kolasis “) has lasted forever, but the punishment itself is simply immediate destruction.
Jehovah’s Witnesses and other groups who not believe in Hell go even further, arguing that the word kolasis shouldn’t be translated as “punishment” at all. Citing its derivation from a Greek term for pruning trees , they suggest that it would better be rendered “cutting off,” “destruction,” or even “death.” The last interpretation would turn “ aionios kolasis ” into “eternal death,” making a nice contrast with the “eternal life” promised the righteous. The “pruning trees” meaning also invokes John 15:6 : “If you do not remain in me, you are like a branch that is thrown away and withers; such branches are picked up, thrown into the fire and burned.” Kolasis only appears twice in the New Testament, but the Old Testament in Greek uses it to refer to punishment in general and to death as a form of punishment, suggesting that “eternal punishment” and “eternal death” are both valid translations.

4 Even The Church Fathers Couldn’t Agree On Hell


Since many hold the early church fathers as the authority on matters of faith and doctrine, many would find it surprising that even they couldn’t agree if Hell existed and, if so, what it actually was. Justin Martyr, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, and Cyprian were among those that held that Hell was a literal place of fiery torment. Origen and Gregory of Nyssa disagreed, countering that Hell was simply separation from God. While the idea of eternal fiery damnation can be found as early as the apocryphal second-century Apocalypse of Peter, it doesn’t seem to have become dominant in Christian thinking until around the fifth century AD.
Ironically, this view was heavily inspired by a non-Christian, the Greek philosopher and mathematician Plato, whom the French historian
Georges Minois credited with “the greatest influence on traditional views of Hell” of all the early philosophers. Plato’s Story of Er features an afterlife in which sinners are punished or rewarded in proportion to their misdeeds in life. Whatever your views on Hell’s existence, Plato’s sin-specific punishments definitely have no Biblical support, but the philosopher’s ideas can still be detected in many popular versions of the Christian afterlife, most notably Dante’s Inferno .
In modern times, many Christian denominations have moved away from Saint Augustine’s conception of Hell as a physical place beneath the Earth. Even the venerable Catholic Church has apparently decided to go with the flow, with the Catechism of the Catholic Church, approved by Pope John Paul II in 1992, declaring that Hell is simply a state of “definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed.”

3 Some Aspects Of Hell Seem Distinctly Non-Christian


Plato might have had the greatest role, but non-Abrahamic influences on Hell date back a long way before the Greeks pioneered philosophy. The Ancient Egyptian religion, for example, featured a cavern containing a “ lake of fire” where the souls of the wicked were punished for their transgressions. The early Mesopotamians also believed that the underworld lay underground, although it was more dim and miserable than a place of eternal punishment.
A particularly interesting comparison can be made between the popular idea of Hell and Zoroastrianism, an ancient religion originating in what is now Iran. In the earliest Zoroastrian texts, the souls of the sinful are judged after death and condemned to eternal punishment in the underworld, which the Book Of Arda Viraf describes as a pit full of fire, “ smoke, stench and demons.” The souls are tortured according to the severity of their sins in life and the whole thing is presided over by Angra Mainyu, the great evil spirit, “who ever ridiculed and mocked the wicked in hell” for following him instead of their creator god.
That sounds remarkably like the Hell of modern pop culture. And what’s just as remarkable is how many of those details have no basis in the Bible. Zoroastrian hell is staffed by demons and ruled by a devil figure, whereas the Christian Devil and his followers have no role in the afterlife and are the one group clearly stated to be destined for punishment in “Tartarus.” There’s certainly no reason to believe that a Christian hell would make the punishment fit the crime, whereas the demons of Zoroastrianism seem to delight in devising inventive tortures for each particular sin. In fact, the
Book Of Arda Viraf is distinctly reminiscent of Dante’s Inferno.

2 The Concept Is Alien To The Old Testament

Even the thin evidence for Hell in the New Testament looks vast in comparison to the Old Testament, which clearly has no concept of Hell at all. Rather, scriptures like Job 3:11-18 suggest that death is simply a cessation: “Why did I not perish at birth, and die as I came from the womb . . . For now I would be lying down in peace; I would be asleep and at rest . . . There the wicked cease from turmoil, and there the weary are at rest.” Pretty self-explanatory.
Ecclesiastes 3:19 sounds even more skeptical about the possibility of an afterlife, sourly observing that “Man’s fate is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; man has no advantage over the animal. Everything is meaningless.”
Even at the very start of the Bible, in Genesis 2:16-17 and 3:19 , Adam and Eve’s punishment for breaking God’s instructions and eating the forbidden fruit was not the threat of hellfire, but rather a promise that they will eventually die, “for dust you are and to dust you will return.” If Adam and Eve were at risk of being tormented forever, wouldn’t they have been warned of that? Would God lie and tell them they were going back to the dust if his plan was really to lock them in a furnace? When Cain kills Abel, God sentences him to wander the land and even gives him a mark to stop people from killing him . If judgment awaits in the afterlife, surely that was a bit counterproductive?

1 Hell Is Little More Than A Scare Tactic

While religions like the Jehovah’s Witnesses and
Seventh-day Adventists do not teach the doctrine of Hell, many churches and denominations still cling to the idea. But why?
It cannot be denied that, throughout history, the idea of Hell has been used as a scare tactic to keep people in line. An 18th-century preacher named Jonathan Edwards became famous for his fire-and-brimstone sermon “ Sinners In The Hands Of An Angry God ,” which warned that God could “cast wicked men into Hell at any moment.” So terrifying was his depiction of hell that other clergymen had to rush to the aid of distraught members of the congregation. Even in modern times, the theme of “believe or you will go to Hell” is common, complete with vivd descriptions of grinding teeth, the shrieks of the damned, and the odor of scorching flesh. Writing on the topic, one author describes having seen a young child scream in church, confessing that he was “ afraid of Hell .”
Others, such as Queen Mary I of England, have used the doctrine as an excuse for perpetrating barbarism. Before sentencing a group of Protestants to be burned alive, she supposedly declared: “As the souls of heretics are hereafter to be eternally burning in Hell, there can be nothing more proper than for me to imitate the Divine vengeance by burning them on earth.”
Like all scare tactics, the idea of hellfire can exert a powerful grip on believers. However, the Biblical evidence for the horrifying doctrine is rather lacking. In fact, the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus , often cited as Biblical proof of the doctrine of Hell, actually has the opposite message. At the end of the parable, Abraham declines to send Lazarus back to Earth to warn sinners of some terrifying fate awaiting them in the afterlife, arguing that righteousness can only come from belief, rather than fear of some supernatural punishment.

Source: www.listverse.com/2015/10/03/10-biblical-reasons-why-hell-might-not-exist/

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A collection of documentaries, not really in particular.

saibinc:

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However, you may try this luck:
1- Backup your files
2- Format the memory card
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