donnie:


Since you saw the scriptures and pretended not to, I quoted it again and again.

The Word of God is clear and simple. Crooked people will prefer to twist it to suit their human understanding.

Why will I quote plenty irrelevant scriptures when two or three will drive home my point?
Why will I try to complicate what Jesus has already made easy?

it's my thread, u asked a question I answered on my belief, u wanted scriptures I gave, and still u complain. we all have the right to beliefs don't we? same way I won't fight for believing in what u believe u shouldn't do same, i'll only tell you what I believe and leave u to govern your self..thanks

donnie:
Bros, I already told you, I'm not interested in winning an argument but as long as this thread is concerned, I will continue to dispel lies here with the truth of God's Word.



Are you surprised?? SMH

surprised that u decide to quote one scripture over and over again?? or surprised that u choosed to confuse ur self, 4rm my point of view ur a memeber of one of this churches that prove to know all things in the bible lemme not mention names, if that's what you believe in then fine, I knw what I knw and believe in it u can believe in yours as well I will only tell u mine and leave u to believe in which ever you choose on the last day Only God will prove which was right and which was wrong, as the bible said in the millennium so many wrongs will be corrected.

donnie:


Yes, the "him" there is referring to the Word as you'll find in Verse1 of the same chapter.



Yes because the Word was before all things. The Word pre-existed the beginning. The Word existed before the beginning.

The Word was (and is) God -never forget.

John 1:1,3 "In the beginning WAS the Word. An the Word was with God, And the Word was God.... All things were made by Him (The Word) "



Like I said before, The Word Pre-existed the beginning... It is eternal.

John 1:1 "In the beginning WAS the Word. An the Word was with God, And the Word was God"




I see that you do not even read my responses. Well. . .

1John5:7- "For there are three that bear record in heaven, THE FATHER, THE WORD, and THE HOLY SPIRIT: and these three are one."


Just for the records. . . I am not trying to convince you because I am aware of the programming you already have from your cult.

Salvation is the work of the Holy Spirit. And If the Holy Spirit decides to hide the truth from you, who am I? We can only pray and believe.

I am only replying you because too many Christians haven't received accurate teaching of the Word and so may be misled by the lies you are trying to spread.

the word refered to as HIM?? u need better understanding aswell sir. buh let's not engage in contention for contention is not of the Lord,, let's leave for which all knowledge belong to..him alon knws best thanks

donnie:


More pointless copy and pasting of scripture.

The "Us" in Genesis 1:26 does not include Jesus as you will like to believe.

Gen 1:1 says "in the beginning GOD created the heaven and the earth." - The Hebrew Word translated "God" in Gen 1:1 is Elohim (Plural for God) referring to the Godhead.

THE FATHER spoke THE WORD ("let there be light..." ), THE HOLY SPIRIT went into action, and there was light.

That's how creation came into being- The Father, The Word and The Holy Spirit working together.

Job 26:13 - "By His Spirit He hath garnished the heavens..."

Luke 10:18
He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven.

donnie:


More pointless copy and pasting of scripture.

The "Us" in Genesis 1:26 does not include Jesus as you will like to believe.

Gen 1:1 says "in the beginning GOD created the heaven and the earth." - The Hebrew Word translated "God" in Gen 1:1 is Elohim (Plural for God) referring to the Godhead.

THE FATHER spoke THE WORD ("let there be light..." ), THE HOLY SPIRIT went into action, and there was light.

That's how creation came into being- The Father, The Word and The Holy Spirit working together.

Job 26:13 - "By His Spirit He hath garnished the heavens..."

John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was
made that has been made.
colosians 1:17 he was before all things and in him all things Hold together..
John 17:5
And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had
with you before the world began.
I have seen places in the bible that clearly says! THE FATHER THE SON AND THE HOLY GHOST. but please give me a verse in the bible that say the father the word and holy.

gas cooker, and a Samsung or LG refrigerator that has its freezer on the bottom. silver colour very important

donnie:


Of course Jesus is a part of the God-head. Look, you are busy talking plenty. You totally ignored the scriptures I provided for your study and went on to quote others. What really are you trying to achieve? Are you trying to show show that Jesus was the brother of Lucifer or to prove your assertion that the bible is contradictory?

if scriptures are what u want then there it is 1st Peter 19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,
21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. Jesus lived before the world he was with the father and man was made by him like genesis 1.26 said let US make man in our own image after our likeness
John 5 vs 19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. and 26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
acts 17vs 29 Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man’s device.
2nd cor 4vs4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
an finally colosians 1 vs15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creatue
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. re:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. I bear u my testimony that christ lives he is the only begotten of the father in flesh an everything under the earth was made unto him. thanks

donnie:


Yes, Isaiah said "I will go"; NOT JESUS, for there was no Jesus until He was born of a virgin in Bethlehem.

1John5:7-
'For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, THE WORD, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Jesus was never a separate entity from the father until He was born in Bethlehem. He was always THE WORD in the bosom of the father. That is what the scriptures teach. To believe otherwise is confusion.

The above scripture says: The Father, The WORD, and the Spirit bear record in heaven. It didn't mention Jesus. The angels rejoiced, not because the one they knew in heaven had relocated to earth. NO. But because a wonder had taken place: The Word had become flesh! -John 1:14

1Timothy 3:16-
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Receive revelation knowledge to Know Him. Human reasoning cannot give eternal life.

act 7vs 55 But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
56 And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God u re right human reasoning can not give eternal knowledge but so does improper revelation

donnie:


Can you please provide clear scripture quotations/references for what you are trying to infer? ...then I can answer you properly.

However, Isaiah made such a declaration according to the Holy bible, not Jesus.

u just said it sir the book of isaiah or is isaiah no longer part of the bible??

donnie:


Contradictions? I see you are confused.
When you understand who Jesus really is, then all your confusion will be cleared.

Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. He came from the Word of the father. The father spoke to a woman named Mary and that Word, having been incubated upon by the Holy Ghost, became Jesus.

Jesus referring to the father as the greater one should only be seen in the light of the Word: IT IS THE FATHER WHO SENT HIS WORD. So the speaker is greater than the Word that he gives. However, the word represents him fully. His word is him! An encounter with the word is an encounter with deity. The word is completely God. That is why demons trembled at His Word (and they still do). The one who was seen riding on a horse, who will judge this world at the end of time is called THE WORD OF GOD.

Prayerfully read the book of John Chapter One. it will open your eyes.

you re the confusing your self sir, can u please read John 14 and John 16 and see that jesus carefully explained the three God head been the father, son and holy Ghost, can u see hat he said they know not my father nor me, can u see that he said u would get a comforter (the Holy Ghost) which my father will send? or u didn't see where he said ye shall see me no more becos I go to my father?
ok now Matthew 26 vs 39 and 42 explains that he when the sins of the world where t much he begged the father that if possible the cup should pass thru him not by his will but by the will of his father, well I don't know your understanding of the bible but to my understanding jesus christ the saviour of the world is the 2nd member of the God head the remaining two being the father and the Holy Ghost thank you

chuna1985:



Dry keep postponing till judgement day

mind If I ask what i'm postponing??

chuna1985:


I heard otherwise from a Mormon fellow.

Secondly, Mormon preachers (The ones on a certain mission that weat white n black) that I lived with always always always indulge in sexual intercourse.

Thirdly the Mormon bible is quite different from d normal bible I know, even though they are also very similar

1what u heard is false, 2, they missionaries and they have fleshly desires like every human since they couldn't control theirs, their judgement is left for God, and No the LDS bible is not different from the normal kjv bible, it only has sum of the things the normal 1 doesn't have like topical guide and bible dictionary.

chuna1985:



Is sex between unmarried people in Mormon a sin?

sex between 2 un married persons in every christian denomination is a sin

soonest:

I didn't still see the bible back up on your sealing of celestial marriage and maintaining the same family in hereafter.
Also blood atonement, what's your view

revelation 1vs6 and 5vs10 ecclesiastics 3vs14, blood atonement is as simple as everybody sees it, it was made by christ when he bleed and died for our sins

parisbookaddict:


Like i said. ..it is difficult discussing with u when u neglect my questions and ask questions instead of answering mine...

If u have a more knowledgeable mormon as a friend please encourage the person to create a thread where i and others can ask him questions since u seem unsuitable for this Q&A..



And let me answer this question of yours with a question like u do......can u create the world and all of humanity with your words....if u cant then u cant be a Messenger and sender..if u can then anything is possible. .

my dear since u prove to be more knowledgeable than I am please can u help me explain who Jesus christ was begging in matt 26 vs 42since he duplicated him self to be the father and th son?

parisbookaddict:


Like i said. ..it is difficult discussing with u when u neglect my questions and ask questions instead of answering mine...

If u have a more knowledgeable mormon as a friend please encourage the person to create a thread where i and others can ask him questions since u seem unsuitable for this Q&A..



And let me answer this question of yours with a question like u do......can u create the world and all of humanity with your words....if u cant then u cant be a Messenger and sender..if u can then anything is possible. .

u re confusing ur self my dear u asked a question that I have answered already, buh u seem to neglect the answers cos u feel u knw wot u re looking for already, if u ask a question ask directly then i'd answer directly buh u re asking as if u want me to say wot u knw, u re right i'm not too good at online conversations buh i'm learning I prefer facial convos, but I think if you ask me direct question I can answer directly

parisbookaddict:


Okay we will wait for him to reply you ..in the meantime produce one verse from the Christian bible that agrees with the brotherhood claim u mentioned. ..

Its funny u are now saying that there is no such thing as the mormon brotherhood theory but at the same time u keep insisting that satan is a brother to your creator who u also claim is ur brother......


Please while we wait for donnie, PRODUCE ONE VERSE saying Jesus is a brother to lucifer. .

I have more questions for u...so lets get this going quick

I didn't say the bible stated that lucifer was a brother to jesus, I only said logically it is safe to say so, now in all this if may understand u correctly are u saying jesus is the father and also the son that God, was the one nailed on the cross? are u saying he duplicate him self to be to when he said the works of my father? please educate me what u meant!

parisbookaddict:


Jesus was very correct, he is God the son...
NOW do you see why i said human like to complicate things. . U have misunderstood that verse and given it ur mormon understanding. .

Let me give u an Analogy to explain why he is correct.

Ur father and you his son are genetically similar.. A simple DNA test will show that you are his son... but ur father is not ur mate..you will respect him and obey his instructions. . However he is a gifted engineer and regularly builds robots to do things around the house... no amount of DNA testing can show u are a dna match to one of the robots who claims u are his brother. .

From this simple analogy... your DNA is same with ur father... you obey your father but ur father does not need to obey you because u are not greater than him..

A robot claiming u are his brother is malfunctioning and doesnot need to be taken seriously. .

Is this Analogy too compilcated for u??

lol so DNA issue verry funny just answer 1 of my questions please, can 1 person be a messenger and the sender??

parisbookaddict:



U keep answering questions with questions.. this is the difficulty i have with our convo.


donnie made a strong point. . The same thing i have been trying to get u to admit...

U are very wrong to claim the everlasting king of peace, word of God and salvation of mankind is a bother to a created fallen angel (even before he fell).. satan has always wanted equality with God and u mormons agree he was a brother to Jesus (God the Son)..hence u agree with satan...

If u insist on your (mormon);theory/conjecture then produce just one verse that confirms your brotherhood theory....just one....

PRODUCE ONE VERSE

if he was powerful enough to along with him one tenth of the host of heaven then I think think should know how powerful he was, don't get me wrong i'm not proclaiming proclaiming mormon brotherhood theory as there is nothing as such, I asked him a question u should have waited for him to answer n see what i'll say.

parisbookaddict:


Straight forward answers this time..nice

From our earlier discussion, Both of us agree that Jesus is part of God in the trinity and existed before creation. ..

But u insist on saying " i'm a child of God and a brother to jesus christ the only begotten of the his [sic] father in flesh."

If Jesus is God the son why then do u claim to be a child of God but only a brother to jesus..
So u are a brother to your creator..

Do u see how u contradict self. .


Cant u see how u deny the father and the son by your distinction

1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.


These little things amount to blasphemy with huge consequences

then u re indirectly saying christ was blasphemous for saying greater is he that sent me? or u 4got when he said why are u trading in my father's house? my dear remember I and my father are one no man come unto my father except through me! can one person be a father and a son? can one person be the sender and the messenger? the bible it self has a lot of contradiction buh we should be sure to learn the right principles

donnie:
@ Leon2036

Is it true that when you get to a point, you are taught that Jesus and Satan were actually brothers?

Are you aware that Jesus was the very Word of God which was in the bosom of the Father which became flesh ( having been born in Bethlehem)?

You cannot even begin to equate man with angels as they are not in the same class. Angels are ministering spirits (servant spirits) sent to serve God's children. [Hebrews 1:14].

As a matter of fact, we will judge angels at the end of time [1Cor 6:3].

So how did you come about equating the eternal, indestructible, Word of God (Jesus Christ) with Satan?

a simple logic I want u to answer for me, before God sent jesus christ to die for our sins, who was the 1st person that said here I am send me, i'll go and do thy will not one soul will be lost and after which the Glory will be mine?

parisbookaddict:


Nope.. I want to understand the mormon approach to theology. .

Can u be brave enough to answer the 3 questions

1.
U are created, satan is created... hence ur believe is that u share in brotherhood with satan... but u go a step further to claim a being that was not created but was with God before creation is a brother to a created being who is the father of lies....

2.
Are u a brother to God or a child of God..

3. Are u a brother to lucifer.

1 before lucifer became the father of all lies he was one of God's most beloved creation, the bible made us understand that he was the bright morning star the shining one ,
2, i'm a child of God and a brother to jesus christ the only begotten of the his father in flesh.
3, I was a brother to lucifer before he was disowned and cast down from heaven before he became the father of all lies and when he was still the bright morning star God created.

parisbookaddict:


You still haven't answered my question

1.
U are created, satan is created... hence ur believe is that u share in brotherhood with satan... but u go a step further to claim a being that was not created but was with God before creation is a brother to a created being who is the father of lies....

2.
Are u a brother to God or a child of God..

3. Are u a brother to lucifer.

You keep claiming i misunderstand u but u keep dodging my questions...

and I keep answering you buh u pretend not to see the answers cos you have ur mind fixed on sumtin u re trying to prove it's a case of simple understanding n I knw u already knw wot u re asking contention is not of the Lord so it best be avoided thanks

BETATRON:
correct...
but in this case there are 3 Gods who needs each other or compliment each other..and also they have ranking like you said "jesus is God but not equal to the father"..hence they are lesser and higher Gods respectively.ryt?

if we begin to consider that it becomes a lay man theory there is no lesser God, buh jesus clear made us understand that greater is he that sent him!!

parisbookaddict:


U should not answer a question with a question.. its usually a diversionary technique. ..

We are all children of the creator.. hence i count myself as a child of God..Jesus being a part of God from our understanding. . That doesnot make me his brother. . It makes me his child...so do u see how flawed the mormon brotherhood claim is.....its not very different from the word of faith movement who claim humans are gods..because of their warped understanding of verses which try to partner themselves with God the son..

U have no verse to show the brotherhood claim... if u do then answer my previous question..

U are created, satan is created... hence ur believe is that u share in brotherhood with satan... but u go a step further to claim a being that was not created but was with God before creation is a brother to a created being who is the father of lies....


How can ur brotherhood theory sound true when simple theology proves it to be heretical. ..


Read this again

1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.




1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.


Many liars have gome into the world to deceive. .the brotherhood thoery is a lie....with very big consequences..

same 1 John 2:22 specified the father and son (but one is like unto the other) and have I stated anywhere that i deny christ? it's a mere stance of confusion to you, i'm here to do the work of my father who sent me, mark 1 vs 1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God;
2 As it is written in the prophets, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, which shall prepare thy way before thee.

acts 8 vs 37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God., he is the only begotten of the father father flesh and the 2nd member of the God head don't contradict ur self

BETATRON:
sounds understandable
But the problem is God is free of need..isn't He?

he is free of needs buh somethings he won't do for him self!!!

BETATRON:
sounds understandable
But the problem is God is free of need..isn't He?

he is free of needs buh somethings he won't do for him self!!!

parisbookaddict:



Making up terms words like "right of creation" means u are making up terms to defend a lie..

He was never a brother to him..he was and is his creation..

No where in the bible is he referred to as a brother.. show me one place just one..

one question to u my sister are you a sister to jesus christ?

BETATRON:
ok..meaning that they complement each other,and need each other to carry out their duties.ryt?

spot on my brother!!

soonest:
Op, pls a quick one. Tell me about your marriage doctrine. The one you be marriage forever even in hereafter. Pls back it with the bible.
Also LDS teaching on polygamy

we believe in life after death as such we believe in marriage for time and all eternity we believe it to be a modern day revelation, in the early formation of the church polygamous marriage was practised in the church it took a long while and thru revelation that it was stopped as such any man or woman who practices polygamous marriage otherwise none as plural marriage cannot become or remain a member of the church!!!

BETATRON:
thanks..secondly you said "jesus christ is God but no equal to the father" isn't this equal to believing in 2 Gods and hence synonymous to polythism?

Nope it simply means he is part of the three God head, i'e God the father, God the son and the holy Ghost..

parisbookaddict:


No no no.. this is blasphemous. ..

GOD gave us a simple message in the bible... we humans like to complicate things...


How can God be a brother to a fallen angel.. angels are created beings like we humans. .thoses ur bible say different..

Jesus was not created.. he is the word of God.. the world was made by Gods word..'LET THERE BE LIGHT'. With the father before creation..

NOW U MORMONS have comeup with brotherhood through "rights of creation" please can u forward me a link to the document that contains the "rights of creation"..is thia in the christian bible please dont give me extracts from the man made book of mormons..

The devil has been clever to introduce blasphemous doctrines by tweaking little things that make a huge impact on how we humans understand and worship the creator. .

If u say that by Mormons " rights of creation" that Lucifer was Jesus ' brother then u are saying that the word of God has brothers which includes the antithesis of God... the devil, a created being.... this is heretical. ..

muslims would have u killed for this(because u claim shaytan is a brother to Jesus though both of u agree on the lie that Jesus was created). .even the catholic church at one short point in their history would have executed you..


Its such a replusive idea...your idea of brotherhood goes agaisnt

1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.


You have denied the father and the son because u believe an evil creation has brotherhood with the Son...

my dear sister you mis quoted me and u re confusing your self, I never said jesus was created, and I neva said said mormon doctrine says right of creation, I only gave a logical answer that if jesus christ is the son of God and according to the bible creation all humans are sons and daughters of God what does that make Jesus christ to us? before the rebellion of Satan what was he? if u understand my statement I didn't say he is a brother I said he was i'e before the rebellion if I understand u, so lucifer 4rm the beginning was an evil creation?

parisbookaddict:


And the second question ...u didnt answer it.

Do u believe u are a brother to lucifer

and I answered before, that yes we where but not anymore cos he rebelled and sort to destroy the works of God.. as such was disown and cast down from heaven with his followers