BETATRON:
you're misunderstanding me brother...I'm not here to criticize your believe, no sensible person does that I only want to understand your statement and to understand I have to ask questions "one who asks questions is a fool for just five minutes"
From the verse you quoted above"greater is he that sent me" meaning that the father is well above jesus
The word SENT also indicates that he was a messenger for the father..ryt?

yes he was sent to come die for the sins of mankind as such he was a messenger.

BETATRON:
lol..in another layman's term..if jesus is our brother and is also equal to His father then his father is also our brother..like if x=y and x=z then y=z ryt?

criticism won't allow u face the fact that you've seen what u need, the bible says I and my father are one no one comes 2 my father except thru me, jesus christ is a God but not equal to his father, greater is he that sent me!!

BETATRON:
by right of creation are you saying jesus was also created? If yes..how come he is also amongst the triniterian God..if no..what do you mean by lucifer is brother to christ in the same way as he is to all other HUMANs?

let me put it in a layman's term, if Jesus christ is the son of God, and we are all children of God according to th creation the what does that make Jesus christ to us i'e (our brother) and if lucifer was also an angel created by God, what does that make him as well? according to our right of creation, it doesn't mean Christ was created.

parisbookaddict:


U are trying to dodge my question...

Of Jesus existed with the father before creation and is the word of God.. God the son, and one with God whose blood freed all humans who accept him from the punishmentbqe deserve.....if all this is true then do you as a mormon believe Jesus is part of the trinity hence God or do u believe Lucifer was Jesus ' brother..

Which strikes more true to you

yes we believe Jesus to be among the trinity God the son, and according to right of creation lucifer was a brother to jesus same way he was to all humans buh he lost that right when he rebelled and sort to destroy the works of God as such ceased to be a brother to any of God's creation..

parisbookaddict:



Let me get u clear..

U believe that you mormons are brothers to lucifer aka satan

And u Mormons do believe Lucifer was Jesus ' brother



Please a simple yes or no will do

I quoted you twice please read the 2nd quote as it answers the question already!!

parisbookaddict:


So another set of questions

Is jesus one with God there for God the
son

Is lucifer evil

And do Mormons believe Lucifer was Jesus ' brother..

Mormons believe that Satan was also one of God’s children. He was once a great
angel who rebelled against our Heavenly Father and was thrown out of God’s
presence, with all spirits who followed him. He is now our Adversary, the Father of
Lies. He tempts all humanity to sin and turn against our Heavenly Father and Jesus
Christ. He has essentially renounced and abandoned his rights as a child of God
and as our spirit brother. He has left the family, so to speak.

parisbookaddict:


So another set of questions

Is jesus one with God there for God the
son

Is lucifer evil

And do Mormons believe Lucifer was Jesus ' brother..

I believe you've read the scripture that said I and my father are one, no one comes unto my father except through me. lucifer is the father of all lies, and seek to take away our agency, and also seek to destroy the plan of salvation and such can be tagged evil....and Latter-day Saints believe that God is the father of all spirits (Hebrews 12:9 ). These
spirits include all humans, as well as angels, demons (including Satan), and Jesus
Christ. In this sense, we are all brothers and sisters to each other. We are all
brothers and sisters to Christ, as well as to Satan.,

parisbookaddict:


Please u have to type more consciously. .
Its very difficult reading your post

Yes i would like to know more about your doctrine

According to Mormon doctrine
who is Jesus

Who is lucifer

Do u agree with muslims view on who jesus is..

sorry I was typing in a hurry as I was inside a bus,
Jesus christ is the only begotten of the father in flesh, the saviour and redeemer of the world
Lucifer, is the bright morning star the shinning one an angel of God who rebelled against God!!

parisbookaddict:



Oh really.. pls do share..

Im the meantime
go to the Internet ..its all there..
U dont have to believe it by the way. Anybody can post anything on the internet..

Please when u have the time u need to do something..
Look up Russell taze, elron hubbert (scientology) and lastly the Gold standard for false prophets, mohammed .. compare these men and joseph smith and see the striking similarities of their alleged revelations , doctrine and life style..
Then read this

1 John 2:22, 'Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that
Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist--denying the Father and the Son.
1 John 4:2-3 "By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; and this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world." Several times this term is used in the plural, and can be applied to almost anyone who is opposed to Christ. Those who deny that Jesus came in the flesh are anti-Christ or of the spirit of antichrist.

1 John 4:1
beloved,believe not every spirit,but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets has gone into the world.


When u are done, tell me what u think..

you have proving proving think u re 2 enlightened, my dear lemme tell tell sumtin, thousands scholars has done exactly wot u re tryin 2 do muslim scholars et Al and a lot of them have come to find truth in all they critize that dey now come in harmony with the church, have u Nd anywhere he was quoted as denying Christ on whoms foundation church was built? u knw what I would want to really talk more cos i'd i'd to educate u, buh if the privacy o my younger brother who opened this acct, i'd keep it straight with u if u really want to talk though let me know

parisbookaddict:


Oh really.. can u quote them.. any references? ?

Verily, thus saith the Lord concerning the wars that will shortly come to pass, beginning at the rebellion of South Carolina, which will eventually terminate in the death and misery of many souls;
2 And the time will come that war will be poured out upon all nations, beginning at this place.
3 For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then war shall be poured out upon all nations.
4 And it shall come to pass, after many days, slaves shall rise up against their masters, who shall be marshaled and disciplined for war.
5 And it shall come to pass also that the remnants who are left of the land will marshal themselves, and shall become exceedingly angry, and shall vex the Gentiles with a sore vexation.
6 And thus, with the sword and by bloodshed the inhabitants of the earth shall mourn; and with famine, and plague, and earthquake, and the thunder of heaven, and the fierce and vivid lightning also, shall the inhabitants of the earth be made to feel the wrath, and indignation, and chastening hand of an Almighty God, until the consumption decreed hath made a full end of all nations;

parisbookaddict:


Look.. sorry if i sound judgemental. . I have studied a little abour joseph smith.. he seemed to be a fraud.. especially owning to the fact that none of his claims of events in north america have been backed up by any shred of historical evidence. ..

So please tell me about his allegedly criminal record.. was it the work of his enemies.. was it lies.

give me proof of his criminal records n back them with evidence then we can continue from there.
and just just just know u re actually bringing bringing pass one of hi prophecies right now!!

parisbookaddict:


Lol..no its wasnt gold tablets.. he was a hustler..Definitely could not afford gold tablets.. initial plates was copper or brass or whatever. .. have no idea if he later upgraded to gold..

i'm sure you've not gotten to the part were he was offered money, n were he was tempted by friends to sell the Gold plate? people like u are kind of people I like to sit down n lecture, don't critisize wo u don't know!!

Richirich713:
Did Joseph Smith make any prophecies ?

And if so did they come true?

the American war, world war1, world war2

Adanna28:
This is interesting, I grew up mormon though the black sheep in the family okay tell me the first 3 articles of faith, and why are there no crosses on LDS churches

1, we believe in God the eternal father and his son Jesus christ and in the Holy Ghost.
2, we believe that men will be punished for thier own sin not for Adams transgression
3.we believe that through the atonement of christ all man kind may may saved , by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the gospel., my dear sister is it a cross u worship?

ikes9:


that's nice...I'm in lekki ward Lagos south stake

nice

trapQ:
you're probably new to the church then, my uncle and his family all go to that church and three of his children have done their missionary work...

I'd have you know that my cousin told me and proved to me from your bible that blacks came as a result of a scar which GOD gave to someone for being disobedient to him. that's means blacks came as result of a curse.

calling yourself Mormon is wrong. if you're a Christian just say so. whether or not the catholics or Pentecostals or Anglicans do that doesn't make it justifiable.

you probably don't know it but your church forbids its members drinking coke.


you didn't reply me concerning prophet Joseph smith

the church official statement on the coke issue is this, they didn't mention any company like coca cola, they only said the substances contained in sum beverages are dengerous and harmful to our system and as such are adviced to try and abstain from it, on the joseph smith issue I believe I answered u, about the fake prophecies none that I know of please tell me.

trapQ:
you're probably new to the church then, my uncle and his family all go to that church and three of his children have done their missionary work...

I'd have you know that my cousin told me and proved to me from your bible that blacks came as a result of a scar which GOD gave to someone for being disobedient to him. that's means blacks came as result of a curse.

calling yourself Mormon is wrong. if you're a Christian just say so. whether or not the catholics or Pentecostals or Anglicans do that doesn't make it justifiable.

you probably don't know it but your church forbids its members drinking coke.


you didn't reply me concerning prophet Joseph smith

hmmm, it's either they didn't explain to u well enough or u mis quoted them he was actually referring to the lamanites whom God cursed with a scar buh promised that if they repent they will be as with as a snow!! and not the blacks, blacks already existed even before that time, yes u re right i'm a christian and not a mornon buh if I told u now that I was a christian u would need 2 ask 2many questions before identifying where I worship....n I think been upto 15yrs in the church n a returned missionary is enough to say i'm new, buh let it be known to u that the church does not forbid anybody frm drinking coke u re only taught the harmful effect of it and adviced to abstain thanks

trapQ:
According to your church doctrine, how did blacks come into existence??

why call yourself "Mormon" when you can just say you're a christian??

why don't you clap hands in your church?? or didn't Paul and Silas clap hands??

why do you forbid periwinkle??

why don't you take coke?? because of caffeine?? if so, isn't caffeine also found in bournvita, Lipton tea??

who exactly is prophet Joseph Smith and why isn't he biblical??

Also why did he give false prophecies??

1, black came into existence same way every human came into existence or did the bible say sumtin different?
2, some are called, catholics, some pentecostal, some so hence Mormon, it's a means of identification, in the United state cos of the book of mormon..
3, we sing hymns n play n play organs cos the spirit does not dwell in a noisy environment, so we do not clap cos we do not want the spirit of the Lord to depart..
4, I haven't heard that before bro! cos as a matter of fact I eat it, we both knw men will always form thier own laws, i'm sure that was formed in ur part of Nigeria, please that's a wrong impression.
5, there is no law in the church that refrains any member from drinking cola or any substance that contain caffeine and cola, it was simply stated that they re not good for our body n people decided 2 see it as a law, nobody would chastise u for drinking coke....thanks
Joseph smith was a prophet of the church, who, under the authority of the holy Ghost founded the church...

parisbookaddict:


Nope..

If u dont know the answer to this simple question then u are indeed in need of learning a lot about joseph smith...

havent u ever heard about the copper plates he claimed he dug up??

Next question...did u know he had a criminal record?

my dear u want to ask questions? or u want 2 critize/ educate me?
the brass plate u means which contains God dealings with the ancient inhabitants of America, u heard he has a criminal record my dear don't speak wot u didn't comfirm, criticism brought about a lot of falsehood about him that he was even murdered cos he refused to deny what he knows, find out ur facts before u speak!!

johnydon22:


Is this another way of telling me you don't really know, you just believe it anyway even though you have not the slightest idea of the whole yarn..

what I mean is that I would only tell you what I know and can defend, he lives and he dwells in the heavens..

now that's what i'm talking bout!!

ikes9:


Pleased to meet yhu too... Wah stake are yhu in

bein city nigeria ikpokpan stake

this people are over labouring Kelechi and osimhen is running 2 much he might get tired very early,

Sarassin:


My question to you was......what is the historical provenance for the Mormon claim that a resurrected Jesus appeared in ancient North America, healed the sick and performed miracles?

benin city nigeria ikpokpan stake

Sarassin:


My question to you was......what is the historical provenance for the Mormon claim that a resurrected Jesus appeared in ancient North America, healed the sick and performed miracles?

like I said I can't gv u historical provenance cos i'm not an American historian, buh I can only assure u that if u study the book of Mormon carefully u would find what u re looking for

Sarassin:


I thought that was your job?

to answer ur question yes, buh you've not asked a question

ikes9:
I attend the church too!!...And I'm a priesthood holder @ OP... To be honest LDS makes things clearer for yhu... They teach about Love for one another and love for God...they teach yhu bout the benefits of obeying the words of wisdom... If yhu read the Ensign and liahona....It'll teach yhu more things...

thanks sir pleased to meet you

KingEbukasBlog:


Let's start with explaining God's existence . Let's hear it

i'm sure you've read thru it already so please ask anything that contradicts ur belief n i'll gladly answer thanks

Sarassin:


OK, correct me if I am wrong. How is it that Mormon's come to believe that a resurrected Jesus visited North America, healed the sick and performed miracles? What is the historical provenance of this, if it s indeed Mormon belief?

i can clearly see that you've seen and maybe glanced thru, the book of mormon, buh did u really read in full? If not please try and do if u still dont find wot u asked then come ask me again. Thanks

parisbookaddict:


Nice you doing this


Question 1
How did joseph smith get his revelations

thru praying pondering and asking.

johnydon22:
I like the fact that your religion proposes a physical version of Jesus and his father and adds a mother to the picture (Makes more sense than father and son with no mother)

So since this version of God is physical please Op do you mind providing us a family portrait of the Godly family..

And i heard God lives on a planet somewhere, can you give us the name of this planet and a science journal (astronomical) that has observed such planet.

thanks sir, buh I can't give u a portrait, cos i don't have 1 and I knw none exist, he lives that I know of, but I can't categorically tell you where he lives cos I don't know, but I know of a place called the celestial kingdom where every righteous man on earth will attain some day, after our mortal earth, during our post mortal earth God dwells in the heavens that I know of and someday we will all answer to him... thanks

ministerblessed:
When do u hold ur services cos every time I pass thru ur church its usually locked with no sign of activity.

it depends on the location of the chapel u do pass thru, in a building where there is just 1 ward, service starts by 9am on sundays and ends by 12, in a situation where there are 2 wards then the 1st starts by 8am, and the 2nd by 10am on sundays....thanks