Posted by: Kobojunkie     what I do not understand though is why you believe Nigeria is one of them.


I say read my post Above.

wirinet:

@ Linxon
You allegation that i complain is not founded on facts, on reading my posts i have not seen where i have made even one complaint.

Now I reside in Lagos and Lagos is my home, had been for the last 30 yrs (save from the yrs i spent in university and a brief sojourn in London). Although both my parents were from riverine villages right at the heart of the Niger Delta. I cannot point to the villages on the map even if it is enlarged to the size of a stadium. So most likely i will live and die in Lagos.

Having said that i have very close cousins who lives in London, some have been there for over 40 yrs, some married oyinbo, while some married other blacks - Africans and Caribbeans,  and have made London their home. The possibility of them or their children ever coming to reside in the Niger Delta (where their father is from) is very remote.

You said I have inferiority complex, but the reverse is the case. It is you that have inferiority complex. Given that there is some racism in London, there is racism everywhere. In fact the tribalism we experience here is worse than the racism you can ever experience there. In England racism is often restricted to individuals. but in Nigeria it is a National Policy, both Federal and State. You are admitted into a university not just because you score high in JAMB, but also by your state of origin and who you know. In state universities "non indigenes are made to pay up to 3 times what indigenes pay.

You have limitless opportunities in London, the society has developed to a state where merit is recognized and rewarded. So do not feel intimidated by white skins, you can do better than all of them if you go beyond your complexes. You can be mayor of London or even Prime Minister.

People keep howling " YOU ARE AN AFRICAN", without defining who an African is?

Is it about Dark skin color? - Arabs are also Africans, or are they not?
Is is about Cloths? We were mainly shirt & trousers, Even the fabrics of the so called traditional cloths are made in Europe or China .
Is it about religion? - we worship white Gods and white messiahs.
Is it Language? - most 21 century African children cannot speak their mother tongue.
Is it culture? I am sure your children speak with an English accent, init?
Please define AN AFRICAN.


@B118
I did not miss out on the word potential. From your explanation of the word potential, every country on earth has the same potential. But the most important potential is the one we lack - Management and Technological Man power.
It was Management and Technological man power that USA was able to employ to escape colonization by Britain and surpassed her, to become the no 1 nation on earth.

It was Management and Technological Resources that Israel used to turn an open desert into an agricultural exporting country.

It was Management and Technological Resource that made Japan an world industrial power Less that 20 yrs after a devastating war. Same for Germany.

So your use of potentially powerful nation is too general 

 

wirinet:

First of all I have lived in Lagos myself for 7 years from the early 80s to the late 80s as a teenager, then I returned to England. You are completely wrong when you say:  "the tribalism we experience here is worse than the racism you can ever experience there"; for example, you can learn Yoruba, change your name and nobody would know you are from the Delta - as a result you would experience zero prejudice.  But in England once you are Black that it everything bad is associated with you: AIDs, Crime, dirty, rude, due to institutional racism.  However you are taliking to a member of the already converted club. I have a computer science degree from UCL (in the top 5 best universities in the UK out of 100 universities), and its common knowledge that 9 in 10 applications are declined  for such a place. So you are right there are opportunities beyond ones wildest dreams however, why dose one have to be phenomenal as a black man to succeed? People who have an inferiority complex are defensive and would not give the kind of response I am offering.  On top of all of that I decided to start my own software business and I named it KINIUN (Lion in Yoruba), so if that dose not proove that I DO NOT have an inferiority complex what dose?

Clothes? I think you are wrong, dose the president wear a shirt and trousers? no, it depends on the ethnicity. And who cares where the material is manufactured?
The fact is pretty much everything is manufactured in China nowadays due to their comparative advantage when it comes to labour costs and commercial infrastructure.
Any manufacturer at this present moment in time would relocate to China if that firm wants to maximize profits.

Language? Again I disagree, Most hausa can't speak English and everyone in my family could speak the Yoruba language so you cannot generalize - so gbo nkoti mon so?

Culture? Well, like I said I was born and bred in England but I can still speak my language and I know my History.

Okay, Whats an African? Well thats a tough question (I would be interested to hear your definition), my simplistic answer would be a person with dark brown skin and wooly hair. The fact is North Africans identify themselves as Arabs - and so do I, its just that African leaders are so stupid they allow them to be a member of the AU. So, my answer is we have to show the world what an African is by showing that we have our own culture, language, food, music (which is awful nowadays) and RELIGION and TECHNOLOGY - AFRICANISM!

The reason why I say that you have an inferiority complex is because you keep re-enforcing the western lies I hear on BBC and CNN on a daily basis. Slavery lasted for 400 years, but Mental slavery is what exists today. Are you telling me that tommorow if you went to a Millionaire from another ethnic group, and prposed a business plan worth tens of millions of dollars he would say:  "Sorry, You are not from the right ethnic group sorry I don't want to make any more money"? No! he would call you a brother, hug you and say lets do it as quick as possible! So look past other peoples petiness and rise up!  All of the problems in Nigeria are business opportunities like security, food, education, technology, energy etc.  For example look at the billionaires Otedola, Adenuga and Dangote, both have become wealthy through the problems of Nigeria:

Otedola - exploits the lack of Electricity
Adenuga - exploited the lack of communication infrastructure
Dangote - exploits everything! mainly cement

And before you say that Obasanjo helped them - thats the way the world works! Like George Bush started a war and owned shares in bullet and millitary companies that supplied the U.S army, and his vice president Cheney was Chairman of the company that won a multi-billion contract to clean up the mess! All politicians are corrupt, its just that Nigerian politicians are corrupt beyond the nations means. So you should be looking at the opportunities and coming up with solutions, rather than regurgitating the dull predictions of the western media and writers who constantly twist history to the detriment of the African continent. 

Kobojunkie:

You asked: What makes a country a giant of any continent? Does land, resources and population alone alone make the case? Define the phrase "Sleeping Giant"?

No, of course not, but they are the basic ingredients for greatness! B118 emphasized the word "potential" but I think a pessimistic outlook is making that word invisible at present. A high population means chaeper labour and a naturally large Army; but most importantly it means a large supply of the most precious resource on this planet - HUMAN RESOURCES. Natural Resources and land are the finite, scarce factors of production, if a nation has ample supply of both it should be more independent. And lastly, A large population means a large market! For example globalcom has more

The British wanted All the areas around the Niger river (Niger -> Area = Nigeria) to be a nice neat bundle so they could exploit the resources much more easily by dealing with one set of leaders - and to save money after the second world war. Hence, Nigeria to the west is land for extracting raw materials to make them richer, for selfish reasons, Nigerian leaders continue this tradition to enrich themselves and give the oyinbos what they want. For example Globalcom has over 30 million subscribers in Nigeria, this is only possible because of the large population.

When Nigerians become more enterprising and realise that they can solve their own problems through their intellect, then the Giant will awaken and mineral extraction will be replaced with Nigerian Hitec multinationals, that make the income generated from mineral extracion look like peanuts.

wirinet:

Mr linxon,

Please read the post carefully. If you say London is not your home then London is not your home, and i will suggest GO HOME and take your children with you if you have some.

But from my memory of history, the English people are a mixture of races from Angles, Saxony, Germany, Vikings, Normandy and lately Jamaica. even the monarchy trace their roots to Germany. So if you cannot make London your home then go home, but i can tell you that the English Society treats you far better than you would be treated by the Nigerian society outside your village.

@ B118

Please stop that propaganda, What makes Nigeria a powerful country?
Is it military power?
Is it economic power?
Do not let that Giant of Africa slogan get into your head. Power is not measured by population or the Arabs nations would be deemed more powerful than Israel. Most powerful societies in history were very small in terms of population and physical size. Rome was a village, even Britain that conquered half the world is a very small place.

POWER IS MEASURED BY TECHNOLOGICAL AND INTELLECTUAL STRENGTH AND NOT BY LAND MASS OR POPULATION OR EVEN MINERAL RESOURCES.

Thats wierd, you said I had not read your post in its entirety, well you did not say much, you just complained! First of all I was born and bred in London so this is my home, but I am responsible enough to realize that I must contribute to the Land of my forefathers.  Secondly, save your English History lesson I was taught all that as a kid everyone with a couple of brain cells knows the English are a from Sweeden (Europe) and Germany (Europe), they are all brothers!  So I will have to tell you the blinding obvious YOU ARE AN AFRICAN, YOU ARE NOT EUROPEAN! So do not try to live off of the achievements of Europeans, look at what you can do for your nation.

You took a cheap shot by mentioning children, well, like I told you, you will be deported soon with all of your children (if you've got any) so you will not even have a say in the matter. You and your whole family bound, gagged and deported back to Naija!

What I have detected from your posts is that you have an inferiority complex and you have no faith in your own people due to the fact that you are totally brainwashed!

I have read a few books and articles about the religion but there is nothing better than to hear from those who participate.  I have decided to do more research into this powerful religion and I thought this would be a great place to hear about experiences and learn more.  Dose anybody know about places of worship, groups etc.

wirinet:

The above statement is not only try, it is what in mathematics you describe as an IDENTITY. Humans are very migratory in nature, they migrate to areas of better food, water, shelter, opportunities. that was why man was able to leave africa and populate the whole world.

Mr. I-Laugh, home is wherever you have settled and have been accepted by the people you meet there. And i must add that, it is that your concept of home that have created the settler / indigene dichotomy that is ruining the country, and it is also a great contributor to our corruption (it is acceptable for an indigene to embezzle, after all it is our money).

Can anyone in this thread tell me that their present so called home is the home of their great grand father. Do they not know that one of their fore fathers left their home and settled somewhere else. Do you know where your great grand children will decide to settle.

This settler indigene problem was started by some earlier settler to exclude others from money or position or political allocations, when Nigeria adopted the method of sharing or Federal Character.

Finally, Most of the people that claim the US as home today had grand parents from elsewhere. Obama's father is from Kenya, but Obama's home is the US of A.

HOME IS WHERE YOU ARE AT.

Hmmmm, You are in complete self denial, stop fooling yourself! You know damn well that you are Nigerian and it has to be fixed! You will find out where you are from when you have been bound and gagged and dumped on the first availble flight to Nigeria. If you reside in the west and you have black skin you will be victimized you know it! Obama is a coconut who has been chosen by the democratic party to prevent the Clintons from taking power. He has not mentioned Africa Once and he never will - it dose'nt get votes. When he talks about his American forefathers you know he's bonkers!

All the places Nigerians are running to were built based on self sacrifice and determination, I think that this forum exemplifies the reason Nigeria has not developed. There seems to be a waste of energy over petty issues and a huge lack of self belief! If Nigerian people are the problem - then Nigerian people are the solution.

  Musicians are not intellectuals, they choose to be.  His style is SIMPLE - to get the party started, with funky beats and uplift peoples spirits that there is HOPE!!!!!!!!!! The fact is nobody has realized he is trying to say that some SMALL Arab countries with OIL have managed to invest their wealth and become some of the most powerful nations on this planet!!! And as a result these countries are no longer dependant on the WEST.  Infact most of them fund western banks now and buy up football clubs like 'Boli at epa' lol.  But in his own simplistic way he's saying I can believe this! 'I went to these Arab countries, there Currency has not depreciated and they are still CASH rich in a so called Recession'!  unlike our beloved Nigeria which has leaders who continue to plunder its wealth!

What goes around comes around, the best way to look at it is that GOD sees everything you are doing.  Every action we take is like savings in a bank; if you do nothing but good, good will come your way and vice versa.  For example, Some people go to church then go and do evil, who are they fooling? They are fooling themselves, you can't fool GOD.  So its a matter of if you have done wrong, ask for forgiveness and work as hard as you can to redeem yourself, nobody is perfect.