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quadrillio:
A GOOD HAMMER DOESN't Make a GOO[b]G[/b] CARPENTER
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HOPE U got that

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Hatton has always been overatted! Who has he fought? A washed up Kostya Tszyu, a washed up Flag of Mexico José Luis Castillo and thats it then he was exposed by Mayweather! So the Pacmans destruction was no suprise to me. But I must say I thought Hatton would last atleast 6 rounds

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Pound for pound:

1. Floyd Mayweather

2. Bernard Hopkins

3. Manuel Marquez

4. Manny Pacquiao

5. Shane Mosley

6. Paul Williams

7. Miguel Cotto

8. Vitali Klitschko

9. Joshua Clottey

10.?

The gearbox is jammed, it only moves in reverse gear

Horus:
Because not every part of Nigeria get internet access. But scammers are working on this technical problem,and soon Nigeria will be Number One.

That is so funny!

oyb:
ego. . .

i wonder if MS would have gotten to where  it is today if bill had been this abrasive , ditto for Linux.

especially when you consider the old joke about software designers being programmers with social skills. . .

They try to irritate and make sneaky little rude comments, then they use primitive english words like "abrasive".  Haters, come in all shapes and sizes, but they have one thing in common  - they are all mediocre punks.

How many rich, ambitious, brilliant, perfectionists do not have an ego Bill Gates vs. Linus Torvalds: Who has a bigger ego?


"People everywhere love Windows." 
Bill Gates
vs.
"We all know Linux is great…it does infinite loops in 5 seconds."
Linus Torvalds

"Windows 2000 already contains features such as the human discipline component, where the PC can send an electric shock through the keyboard if the human does something that does not please Windows."
Bill Gates
vs.
"Microsoft isn't evil, they just make really crappy operating systems."
Linus Torvalds

"There are people who don't like capitalism, and people who don't like PCs. But there's no-one who likes the PC who doesn't like Microsoft."
Bill Gates
vs.
"I'd like to say that I knew this would happen, that it's all part of the plan for world domination. "
Linus Torvalds

"Be nice to nerds. Chances are you'll end up working for one."
Bill Gates
vs.
"My name is Linus Torvalds and I am your god."
Linus Torvalds

"Microsoft has had clear competitors in the past. It’s a good thing we have museums to document that. "
Bill Gates
vs.
"Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect."
Linus Torvalds

"Like almost everyone who uses e-mail, I receive a ton of spam every day. Much of it offers to help me get out of debt or get rich quick. It would be funny if it weren't so irritating. "
Bill Gates
vs.
"Most days I wake up thinking I'm the luckiest bastard alive. "
Linus Torvalds

http://www.junauza.com/2008/07/bill-gates-vs-linus-torvalds-who-has.html

The point is:   [size=13pt]Stop butting in with bitchy little comments[/size] or else, you know what you are going to get - a verbal ass whipping!

Kobojunkie:
wow!! Now I have been tagged a bitch for listing the obvious!! O Boy!!

Anyways, to anyone out there who is looking to develop with .NET but wants to commercial softwars for free, please go to www.Dreamspark.com . For small business owners looking to get the same tools for free, check out www.bizspark.com. Microsoft offers you the major IDEs and tools you need to develop commercial and non-commercial software free of charge.

If you are working with Java instead, Eclipse is free.

From the official Microsoft Website for VS Express Editions ( source:  http://www.microsoft.com/info/cpyright.mspx)

PERSONAL AND NON-COMMERCIAL USE LIMITATION.

Unless otherwise specified, the Services are for your personal and non-commercial use. You may not modify, copy, distribute, transmit, display, perform, reproduce, publish, license, create derivative works from, transfer, or sell any information, software, products or services obtained from the Services.


little Junkie, [size=14pt]Olodo![/size] making petty bitchy comments, offering weak links devoid of original, knowledge as usual.

blacksta:
@ linxon

just  out of curiosity how will microsoft or similar organisation know what free tool one used in developing a commercial software.

Thanks

I know what its like when you buy your first software as a student - you look for freebies.  I remember when I was learning Actionscript in Uni, then I wanted to the Adobe creative suite, at the time it was around £1200! So I purchased the student version for £150 which was scaled down and meant I could not produce commercial software with it. 
commercial version:  http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adobe-Creative-Suite-Production-Premium/dp/B001HNDT7K/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1241386306&sr=1-9
student version:  http://www.amazon.co.uk/Adobe-Creative-Production-Premium-65023153/dp/B0020L0H00/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1241386306&sr=1-8

So to answer your question it depends on the government and its piracy laws - stronger intellectual property rights means the nation will be richer and it will encourage innovation.  In the west most of the economies have de-industrialized and they have a prominent tertiary sector; as a result intellectual property is a huge source of revenue for the government and they take it serious!  So the golden question how dose Microsoft catch a thief?  Its all about business - something cheap bitches don't know about.

You have to look at it from a business point of view, how will you activate the software? imagine you are running a software business and your profits are $120,000 and your cost of software is $0 won't that look a bit dodgy? Even if you deploy an O.S.S solution you will still incur costs.  Secondly, you have to produce receipts for everything you have purchased (basic stuff), where will you get the receipt from if the software is not genuine? a fake receipt = crime  Thirdly, if you are making a healthy profit from software, say $130,000 why would you not want to pay $1200 (less than 10% of your net profits) to the company that provides the tools? That is like a farmer not wanting to pay for his tractor.  How will you upgrade your software? What will you tell your employees?  I can go on and on and on. 

In the real world Global giants that make Billions of Dollars like Walmart, Tesco, BP, Glaxo, BT, etc all use microsoft products and pay millions each for the priviledge - they are all making money.  The Business Software Alliance, are the main policemen for pirated software, and they offer incentives for employees to snitch on their bosses!  For example you can make up to $200,000 if you give evidence that leads to prosecution. So if you are typing away with bootlegged software and you are not making any money you are not really hurting Microsoft (or any other proprietary software company) - they are looking for the big boys who are making decent profits.

[size=15pt]"If your coding dose not make money, then it makes no sense"[/size].  On the other hand of you are making healthy profits and you have integrity why would you not want to pay for a software license? For those who have not studied business at a higher level - the buzz word now is ethics! You will fail miserably in business (in developed economies) if you do not have ethics.  On the other hand if you have ethics and run an innovative company you can make mind boggling profits!  Nigeria has one of the highest piracy levels in the world (Suprise, suprise), the policing of software piracy is pretty weak - the result is most Nigerian software companies are making PEANUTS especially on a global level:  http://www.punchng.com/Articl.aspx?theartic=Art200905013231118

Here we go again, you woke up bored and lonely today and decided to make a sneaky comment against the master 

Stop trying to argue for the hell of it! Admit you was wrong, was too dumb and broke to realize that Visual studio is not free when you develop COMMERCIAL software and move on.  The truth is that you and that KoboJunkie Bitch have never written "commercial software", you are amateurs who have disrespected the master.  Freebies are nothing new, all major corporations give out freebies to kids so they can get hooked and learn; so when they grow up they can develop USEFUL, COMMERCIAL software not crap!  Do you think Bill Gates is the richest man in the world by giving out freebies? If you try to develop Commercial software with his FREE tools he will sue your smelly pants off! Do you know how much it costs to become a Microsoft certified Gold partner? Nope! you don't know jack!

Yes I am against students who write  [size=15pt]F[/size]&*^%!g [size=15pt]O[/size]bvious [size=15pt]S[/size]illy [size=15pt]S[/size]oftware

Now I need to go back to making money and you need to go back to learning you little bitch!

NB: To all the other ugly, haters lurking around their keyboard, who only have guts on the internet, LEAVE ME ALONE AND GET A LIFE!!!!!!! or face a masterful, verbal beat down.

Hey! You guys need to give him another four years whats the rush?  - JOKE!!!!!

RichyBlacK:
Don't worry, the longer you stay on NL the more you'll be agreeing with me!

But seriously, we need to find ways of helping the youths to get out of that country and go live productive lives elsewhere - Ghana, India, Australia, even Liberia is providing opportunities for young people. This whole "Nigeria is your home" mentality is just a tired line. Your home that you'll be killed and NOTHING happens in terms of providing justice is NOT a home. Your home should be where you're appreciated as a human being.

Why is it that the police, soldiers, politicians, criminals, moving vehicles, falling trees, collapsing buildings, roads, nurses, doctors, electricity, postal service, banks, schools, customs service and teachers seem to appreciate me more in America than in my home? My home that thousands have been deliberately killed by police, soldiers, bad roads, etc.

I understand your frustration and that of other Nairalanders, but the bad leaders want us all to run away, that way they will become even more powerful. I think they need to be challenged but in creative ways. For example the power is with the locals, if they get together and cooperate they could install secret CCTVs to document this brutality - they could even use their mobile phones collectively. The footage could then be used against the soldiers and if no action is taken, the footage can be posted on Youtube for the world to see. The overall effect would be to remove the "invisibility" of the perpetrators.

Ghenghis:
@linxon are you suggesting that beginners buy the full suite instead of using express ?

and yes I like freebies, I'm always excited for guys that are starting out now, cause there's a lot to choose from ,
 

Oh!!!! So you admit you are a broke, newbie now! then what are you arguing for? I came here to teach and help, as a professional.

Ghenghis:
maybe we'll meet across a table some day

Yes, with me interviewing you for a job! I just hope that you are a reformed character by then 

Ghenghis:


if only @linxon would listen, he might learn a few things

If you need a free copy of VS.NET http://www.microsoft.com/Express/

take it easy o!

If only this broke, Novice could have some money and use PROFESSIONAL tools instead of freebies: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-gb/vstudio/products/cc263903.aspx
Now follow this link and educate yourself.  Hey! Heres a cut price version for you:
  http://www.amazon.co.uk/Visual-Studio-Pro-2008-PC/dp/B000WM04HU/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=software&qid=1241012658&sr=8-3
You are so broke you don't even know there is a a FULL commercial version.  If you even dream of me learning from you, you should wake up and apologise 

candylips:
Reinventing the wheel doesn't make sense so u can tweek a lot of those generic OSS to solve a problem and probably OS it as well right. Also u don't have to have apps hosted on sourceforge to make it open source. you can have your own website and offer people free downloads right 

candylips:
No i understand you but what i was trying to suggest is the focus should be more on solving a real problem probably using a company as a case study.

Okay! thats a good idea

candylips:
Why do u think it is an embarassment that there is no Nigerian open source soft in sourceforge?

Thats a suprise! comming from an advocate of OSS, remember you said:

candylips:
And guess what there are lots open source software these days solving a lot of generic biz problems

Your approach should be solving a perculiar problem for a company in Nigeria  and to do that u will need to do some requirements gathering

If we don't participate this I.T revolution will pass us by like the industrial revolution.

blacksta:
Yes and it is working - I have visited the sourceforge - i for one i am interested in what you are doing.

Thats great!

naijafan:
@linxon
If you were truly a professional software engineer, you should know better than to compare java to .net the way you did. And yes,  .NET is also very much free.

I am a professional and you are clearly not, .Net uses VS and VS is not 100% free - got that?

naijafan:
You shouldn't confuse .NET with Visual studio. its like confusing JDK with Eclipse or Netbeans.

What on earth are you babbling on about? only a dummy like you would confuse the two.  

naijafan:
f you need a robust IDE and feel VS Express ain't good enough, then there are lots of alternative IDEs to pick from. Judging from the fact that you seem BLAH BLAH BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH,

What a bore!

Ghenghis:
@Linxon
You're such an abrasive character !!!

I was referring to java (the platform) and .NET ,

You should exercise decorum wherever you find yourself, more so in an environment for learning and sharing ideas I'll just leave it at that ,

.Net uses Visual studio, and Visual studio is NOT 100% free, I know because I have the receipts. I am not a cheap novice like you I do this for a living. Novices use freebies! You simply lack the depth to fathom who I am; An slowpoke like you must not even dream of giving me advice on my etiquette!

candylips:
@linxon

I personally don't really believe in developing off the shelf software products mainly because potential customers might have varying requirements and capturing this is a product usually results in an overbloated, overengineered and probably overpriced product.  And guess what there are lots open source software these days solving a lot of generic biz problems

Your approach should be solving a perculiar problem for a company in Nigeria  and to do that u will need to do some requirements gathering

I don't know what gave you the impression that I wanted to create a PRIMITIVE off the shelf product  I am currently involved in THREE open source projects so I am pretty busy at the moment.  If you read my initial post I included a link for Sourceforge, it showed that there are no open source projects for Nigeria:
http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&type_of_search=soft&words=nigeria


I was hoping this thread would be a way to network with progressive Nigerians who are passionate about putting an end to this embarrassment.

blacksta:


so Mr Linxon - what do u have in mind

Like I said in my initial post: I have started this thread to have a CONSTRUCTIVE disscussion about possible projects for and by Nigerian programmers
Hopefully, if anyone of us has an idea we can discuss it and most importantly implement it. To answer your question directly, I do not have anything specific in mind at present but I am open to suggestions.

candylips:
i like the fact that you do test driven developement . you can never go wrong with that.

Well, I try to do XP but sometimes I design and test as I go along, lol

candylips:
Although with Junit you can only do unit testing. You need other tools for doing Integration, Regression, functional testing . . .

Yep, thats right, however there is a very thin line between unit and functional testing; I would say that Junit is fine for both. The tools, phew! Have you used Visual Studio Team System? Its built for testing! It has all sorts of testing tools, the one that impressed me the most (From a web development perspective) was the Web Test Recorder, it makes integration testing a breeze by capturing http sessions. So for example in IE you load your web app. and press the record button; Then you simply execute one of your requirements and when you are finished you press the stop button - No coding! From that point onwards if you make any changes to your code you can run that same test again and again (rather than doing it manually) to make sure the functionality has not broken - I'll try anything that makes testing remotely exciting

blacksta:
Although i came from a system development background (Java) but for the last 3 years i have involved in software testing. I would like to return to programming. at moment i have been training myself in (javascript, asp.net, c++ &php).

Phew! Thats a heavy load! What apps have you been testing? I try to write test first code with JUnit (Nunit nowadays for C#) but lets be honest - programmers usually make lousy testers

Well, , its a long story how many years do you have?

candylips:
Endangered Species    Thats very funny.

I think developers in Nigeria should focus more on custom software development , improve their customer support services, improve project management by probably adopting a more agile approach and updating their tech skills to the more recent programming langs (no more VB 6 move to VB .net)

If they can do all these  then organizations will do business with them naturally

You are proof that the species has not died out yet, now we need to get you to a lab ASAP to preserve your DNA - Joke!!
You have raised a very good point there, the I.T profession in general is about constantly learning or aging within six months. What is your current skill set?

You might find this site a bit handy:  http://www.startupsnigeria.com/about/

I have started this thread to have a CONSTRUCTIVE disscussion about possible projects for and by Nigerians 

Three years ago:  https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-6792.0.html

Nigerian Open source projects

http://sourceforge.net/search/?type_of_search=soft&type_of_search=soft&words=nigeria


Nigeria: Indigenous Software Developers are Endangered Species, Says Saromi

http://allafrica.com/stories/200904140197.html

Is there any good news when it comes to the Nigerian software industry?

Sky Blue:
And it is perfectly ok and fine with me that you think my suggestions were poor and lacked substance, I on the other hand thought the post in which you simply stated your ideas for solutions was quite sensible and I concur with most of the points on there. My issue was with your earlier was the last paragraph and the fact that it seemed to be bothering on one of those posts which while eloquent always seemed vague and full of rhetoric. It is ok for us to disagree.

You ended your very first post with:
"Or do we all prefer the alternative of more wasted years of crying electoral fraud and using it as an excuse for underdevelopment?"

I ended the post you are talking about with (if I remeber correctly): "Since most on this board like President Obama, remeber he said 'You are the solution'"
Now, this referred to the fact that Americans can solve their own problems collectively and no person should feel excluded. Now I am not a political scientist like you I am a Computer Scientist, so I cannot be bothered to explain every point in detail I expect my fellow inteligent Nairalanders to read between the lines sometimes. My main point was all our creative ideas will probably go to waste with the current political system - it needs to be changed completely before we can come up with NEW ideas that will be IMPLEMENTED. On reflection, some of the points I listed (finger printing, International observers, A cap on campaign funds) may have been quite obvious but this reflected my "why bother with them" attitude.

Finally, whilst there is more corruption in the west than there is Africa, African politicians are corrupt beyond what their nation can afford. What I have gathered from your posts is that you are saying you will not give up with that corrupt cabal and if anyone has some "fresh" ideas that WILL NOT BE IMPLEMENTED they should type their soul away, well lets agree to disagree on that one.

Sky Blue:
LOL, I did not necessarily disagree with your whole post, it had good points and all I did was respond on the basis of where I perceived it was all generally going. I did not completely agree with the last paragraph about it being a matter of simply waiting for the secondary or even tertiary pary of the industrial sector to develop and hence prove more viable before we begin to get some democracy. I disagree because government positions in America and Europe are also quite attractive and come with a lot of perks, yet you don't see the ammount of insensitive gross corrupt practices at the rates you see in Nigeria. The single sentence @blacksta posted, I simply agree with. Clearer now?

Anyway, as nice as the intent of this thread is, it would be more meaningful if the discussion could be carried out beyond the internet and by more Nigerians in Nigeria and abroad at a larger scale because this is a serious issue hence it will be a shame if it just ends here. Perhaps such wil lead to actions in varying degrees that can help remedy the situation even if it me ans succesfully conducting a local government election.

Okay, now you have read my post before responding, phew! I will re-iterate that you're attempt at an essay about CCTV, keeping balot boxes static and making sure the media behave was ridiculously poor and lacked substance.