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cryptic: He did not make himself imperfect. He only created the imperfect man.

Ah you got me confused now. I though I was starting to understand you.

Which one is which?

A perfect god created a perfect man who decided to make himself imperfect via sin?
or
A perfect god created the imperfect man?

philip0906: My Bible had already made mention of the outer space and its components centuries b4 d first scientists ventured out.

where exactly did the bible make these mentions?

cryptic: The being was made perfect, but becaus of sin. That no longer became the case.

So a perfect being made himself imperfect?

cryptic: If the world was created perfectly, then there would be immortality. Because of our animalistic tendencies, there would be chaos if that was the case.. Some people will be enslaved forever, while some will forever be kings...how would that have felt? Remember sin is the reason why everything is going wrong in the world. From your president, to those who took bribes to cut corners..

So a perfect god made an imperfect world?

cryptic: The fool is usually myopic in his reasoning....you can argue forever with a fool and keep going in circles...I experienced and out of body experience once...ridiculous claims? So thousands of people around the world can be making false claims? To what end? People of all religions from different cultures around the globe have reported either a NDE or an OBE.

people around the globe have also reported seeing big foot and aliens.

cryptic: Does the creator of the watch, after putting it in the market for sale, intervenes when something goes wrong with the watch?

The creator of the watch never claimed he was perfect or he would have created a perfect infallible watch not a degenerative one that he allows to go wrong, then punish eternally for doing exactly just that.

linearity: Out of curiosity....If I pour a gallon of petrol in my room and lit it with lighter...

1. Will it burn than the House?....ans: Yes.
2. Did God permitted or wanted my House to burn down for his good or my good?...ans: No.
3. Did my House burn down to give God Glory?...ans: No
4. Did my House burn down as a result of my stupidity?...Yes
5. If am not aware of the dangers of mixing petrol and open flames, did my house burn down because of my ignorance?...ans: Yes.

We Christians believe that, God created heaven and earth, establishes rules and laws that governors heaven and earth, e.g. gravitational forces, winds, storms, etc...You cannot jump from a 20 storey building and expect God to perform a miracle and suspend His gravitational law...it does not happen that way...Then he created us, gave us wisdom, knowledge and intellect and he ask us to go create some other things like Planes, Ships, build skyscrapers...just like the things that God created, everything we created have rules and laws...

This plane is rigged with problems, problems before it was bought, problems months before the crash, problems weeks before it crashed, problems days before it crashed...the plane was not supposed to fly that very day..but management forced it to fly...These are miracles and signs telling those in charge to chant a different course.

More than anything, if going by an earthly father's feelings...I see God disappointed in us for not using the intelligence he gave us to avert this problem and save lives. Yes, one person's mistake can lead to multiple other innocent people death...just think of David in the Bible mistakes and the death it caused others..

You just confirm his uselessness if we can do whatever we want without him intervening.
He just sits there and watches. I think he needs an Oyedepo slap to move his lazy asz.
By the way, he got scared and angry when we started bulding the first skyscrapper in Babel.

philip0906: We Christians apply our mind, brain, knowledge and our Faith and Bible to discover answers and we are making progress everyday. *Note d difference*


what exactly were u trying 2 say here?

I am saying that we can aks a lot of questions about the universe. Almost infinite questions without answers, yet.
99% of the matter in the observable universe are unknown to us.

What is a black hole?
What is dark matter?
What keeps the contre of the earth hot?
Where does gravity come from?

Etc.

cryptic: This guy is obviously confused and unintelligent

And how, oh! wise one, did you arrive at this most sapiential conclusion?

tolex29: @Logic mind and other atheists...

You are very smart people and wise too...but you lack Spiritual wisdom! This is the wisdom of God and it is foolishness to MEN of immense intelligence like you. The Almighty God is far superior than your brains which you use to make sense out of situations. The moment you unravel God He stops being God, and that is why all these things will never make sense to you and therefore you conclude, 'there can't be a god! All these do not make sense!' His ways are far above your ways (logical reasoning) and that is why His status remains...not your unbelief or propagandas can change that! There are a million and one questions that doesn't make sense about God and you can continue to create threads anytime situations allow for them, but they only make us corroborate the fact that God will always have oppositions (right from the garden of Eden) and there is a deceiver in Satan who continues to gather people who'll fall with him in the end.
You are descendants of the suptle snake who wanted man to be knowledgeable and FREE! Freedom in your mind, your body and entire life! Your being around only strengthens my own belief; that you are one of the signs of the end time; out to derail those whose faith are shaky. Of course, you'll make a lot of sense to them but have you ever read 1 Cor 1: 27-28, you could check it out even if it's the only passage you ever read.

A lot Christians come here to argue and spar with you but I guess those make you stronger and wiser. You use their mistakes and mistakes of other Christians in the world to accuse a perfect God! The world is not perfect (fact) but it doesn't make God imperfect (truth). There are too many reasons and facts to say that God is just an imagination of my pitiful mind, but the TRUTH is that He is God!! It is possible for something to be true yet the facts oblivious! No man can intellectualise God if He wants to know Him...that is why you don't know Him! You guys have too much intellect! This has also led to pride. It is only the lowly in heart that will fear God and believe even if the signs are not there...the wise people of the earth like you will call that foolishness! It is only the proud that will not deny self and follow Jesus...if you've ever heard, He said whoever must follow Him must deny all.
My response is not to argue the existence of God with you guys. I don't need to! If He allowed the Dana plane to crash, He knows why He's allowed you to blaspheme His Name and existence. Paul in the Bible was worse than y'all, yet He still called Him. So why should anyone rule you guys too out. He loves you and your being alive is to make you have a change of heart so you don't die and wake up in that rubbish fable and unrealistic place you've never believed in called hell! I'd rather live my life as if there is a God and find out there is none than to live my life as if there is no God and find out that there is- a friend once said this to me but I think even this kind of mentality is not total belief coz indeed there is a maker of the heavens and the earth.

Like I said before, I am not here to argue anything so keep your intelligent questions that you will deduce out of all I have said so far to yourselves! God had ordained that I will cross your path today as some will change and others who won't, I will stand there by God's grace on the day of judgment to say that I wrote this to warn them.

God loves you all..believe me, yes he does! Even if it doesn't make sense to y'all, He does!

Have you ever considered refering yourself to a psychiatrist?

philip0906: chai u r locking urself in a tight corner.smartly evading questions nd contradicting urself. . .

I did not evade the question, neither did I contradict myself. I was only pointing out the senselessness of the christian gotcha questions and their unique answer to all questions.

cryptic: YOu just confirmed your ignorance fooool...you have answered nothing...you claim scientists are the smartest people and that most of them are atheists...I am a research scientist and in no time, I hope to become reckoned with....If you cannot answer those questions I asked, then you would be a confirmed idi.ot if you post anything stupid here again. Cretin!!!!

why do christians always lie?
when did i make such a claim.

So you ascribe everything to god because you cannot accept a limit to your knowledge.
Why are you researching if you already know the answer?

philip0906: That u believe dat God could not prevent the crash-thus associating EVIL with God should also mean dat u Associate GOOD with him since this life is a mixture of both. and doing that means u are unknowingly admitting 2 His existence.
It would be safe 2 simply not associate God with anything meaning that u r questioning His existence 2 dish out Good or Bad. but the poser is, can u dispute His existence and prove that He does not exist?

nothing anybody can say can bring a god into existence.

cryptic: The thing these people fail to understand about God is that death is an inherent part of nature. How you die is dependent on what decisions you and those around you make. Cursing GOd and questioning him is senselessness. Those that died in the crash died because of negligence and human error on the part of other humans like them....so really, think about it...How is God to blame?

good question.
why blame an inexistence ineffectual powerless conjecture of deranged minds?

cryptic: Idio.t....here is it...chinnyonwu: silly post from a senseless poster. Don't car crÁshes happen everyday? Why did God allow them? Kmt

thank you @ chinny. How did this post make the front page? Are you giving these stup.id set of individuals the chance to debate on the existence of GOd? Once we are in this life, we are in the flow of it. We can't control or determine its end point. Life and death, space and time, fate and chance...these are the forces of the universe. Your human mind cannot fully decipher the nature of GOd. Your logic mind is stupidity as far as understanding the nature of the world is concerned...I need all of you saying God does not exist to answer the following questions...

1. Heard of the theory of biogenesis? That states that nothing that's alive came from anything that is living...so where did the first cell come from? Has a protocel been synthesized from inanimate organic substance?

2. You give me the big ba.ng theory...I wanna ask this: there is a law of motion that states that an object will continue to be in a state of rest or of uniform motion unless an external force acts on it...so what brought about the force that initiated the big ba.ng?

When I get logical answers to these questions....

Then we can continue from there...

Thanks for precising your questions. We atheists also ask these questions. We apply our mind, brain, knowledge, science and technology to discover answers, and we are making progress everyday. But we don't know the answers to every question. A religious person has ONE answer to every question: god made it so.
This is where we differ. No doG made anything so.

I can tell you that Logic Mind, or the great somalian lepreuchan brought about the initial force and can even write a ten thousand page book of the history of eary senegalese racists to prove the existence of this wise lepreuchan. But it will always be a conjecture.

Here are more stuppid religious people's questions for atheists of which there are no meaningful answers. You can put them in your war chest:
Who made us able to breathe in oxygen?
Why is there radiation in outer space and what is emitting this radiation?
Who created the other planets?
If the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into?
etc.

uchkochi: THIS IS WHAT GOD MAY BE DOING WHEN IT LOOKS AS IF HE IS SLOW OR SILENT.

Which is ...em..em...ALL THE TIME!

cryptic: You are a confirmed retar.d.ed fool...answer my questions...fool...let's see how smart you are... All you do is say rubbish.... Isi ewu

dear defender of the most powerless god, please which questions do you seek answers to?

ypzilanti: I choose to believe in Christianity. It is a choice.

Faith is also required to believe your big bang theory and evolution too. There is no proof for those either, but atheists act like they have certain proof of their belifs.

There are smarter people...nobel lauretes that have studied everything from astronomy to microbiology that have come to the conclusion based on the intricacy of design, that there is Intelligent Design.

Why do we have an atmosphere that burns approaching objects from space when other planets are rammed left right and center? Why does the ice float to the top of water to ensure that life continues under water during winter? The simplest microbe is so sophisticated in design.

Dont be so cocky being an atheist and think you are smarter than everyone else. My choice is based on my own personal experience in my faith. If I had not experienced it, I would probably be like you too...but maybe less sure.

And with all his "intelligence", the only books he could come up with were the abominable koran and bible.

god is useless if he couldn't stop accidents

tonididdy: IF ANIMALS HAD Facebook, THESE
ARE MOST LIKELY TO BE THEIR
STATUS UPDATES:
COCKROACH: "My Friends pls help
me to thank God cos I managed
to skip from someone's footstep! CAT: "My 7th child is asking who's
her dad...What shall I tell her? I
don't even remember!
MOSQUITO: I'm HIV positive..this is
all due to wrong Sucking!
CHICKEN: If tomorrow I'm not updating my status, it means am
being served at
'MR BIGGS'... Love U all!
OCTOPUS: I've just refilled my
ink!...hurray!
PIG: Ohh gosh! They throw gossip that I'm spreading flu...wtf!
GOAT: Friends! Don't go out...EID
holiday is coming!
Pig comments on goat's status:
"Luckily, I'm HARAM =
Goat replies: "Don't u remember dat after EID is the Chinese new
year?
DOG: I hate Calabar people!
COW: My calf wants to suck now
but the farmer has taken all the
milk in the morning RAT: The owner of the house just
bought a cat, we dey pack comot
2moro
GOAT: friends thank God 4 me
ooo, a car almost hit me now; i
wud hav died lik fowl... FOWL- comment on goat status: i
thank God 4 u ooo; dnt mind dem,
dats hw men drive lik goat..

lol

bukatyne: were d disciples not also supporting d earthly ministry of Jesus b/4 they started theirs? so if ur uncle supports u in school, he is inferior to u when i gave dat ref, i was telling u about more disciples of Jesus and not if they were male or female. Jesus Christ changed d 'position' of women so to say during His earthly ministry. P.S. in the Bible, a supporter or helper is not considered or seen as a lower or inferior person. As a matter of fact, leaders are called to serve. i guess in ur analogy, Jesus is inferior to His disciples because He washed their feet!

once again, the question was about the stand of women in the bible; not whether jesus had gay tendencies.

bukatyne: d only woman who demons was cast of was mary n if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature. old things ve passed away n all tins ve become new. my pt is dat mary became new! she was not seen as an 'ex demon possessed woman' etc. Christ restores a person/thing back 2 its original state! wat would u say about matthew dat was once a tax collector? was he not an apostle or paul dat was once a persecutor? and wat is wrong that they supported His ministry? so that they had d money to support His ministry made them inferior?

One again, you disagree with your bible. Is your holy book too confusing for you or is so badly written that you need divine intervention to interprete it?

About the women having money, my point was that the bible had to justify their inclusion as if they had nothing to do there if not for their money.

Anyway, have you ever heard the term "sugar mummy"?

I remember my first "confession". I was 11 yrs old and getting ready for my first holy communion.
We were told of how important it was to tell the priest every wrong thing we had done. Insistence was made about confessing all fornication we had done.
There was just one problem: I was a good boy. I had nothing to confess. (i didn't consider playful little boys fights as sin, especially when we all made up during the same hour)
So I made up a whole lot of imagined sins and told the priest. He told me to recite the rosary three times in front of each statue of saints in the church.
I believe that was my first concious "sin".
So, the next confession, I told the priest my real sin which was that I lied during my first confession.
Thank jehuvahh I'm rid of all these nonsense now.

amosy007: unrepentant atheist

even in his everlasting silence, he is worthy of our praise.

Missy_B: BTW, The only point I have made on this thread so far is : Nothing happens without God's permission. If you're going to rebut it, it's necessary that you share the same faith as me, so we can use the same reference book, as I don't see how we can avoid a back and forth if we are using different materials.

The only point you have made so far is that you are a deluded and indoctrinated one who refuses to use her brain but instead spits out the crap fed to her by other fellow humans whose only objective concerning you is pure exploitation.

2buff: if a test tube baby has a soul, I don't see why a clone wouldn't.
[i]Almost [/i]same process...

a test tube baby is unique.
a clone is a photocopy of another being.

bukatyne: my answer is yes. there is a difference between religion n christianity. christianity is a relationship wit God. i would also advice christians to study d Bible n ask God for wisdom. that it's y on christian has any excuse, d BIBLE is there. if God tells u that u ll live till a hundred years n u jump into d road n a trailer hits u, is it His fault? or He tells u that He ll make u wealthy n u sit al day doin nothing, ll HE rain money from Heaven? He said He ll bless d work of our hands! if u do nothing, there is nothing to bless! if He promises u good health n u start drinkin contaminated water n eating spoilt food, would u fall sick? n al d other scenarioes u painted. get it, God is not a magician. He plays His part n expects each one of us to play ours too. He MIGHT decide to spare d life of d person who jumped in fronto of a vehicle because of His mercy n not because He is obliged to do so.

I was just rereading this post and it hit me how silly your argument sounds. How can a god that you claim to be ominipotent, omniscience, omniwhatever, not know that I would be jumping into a road and getting killed by a trailer? If he knew, why lie to me that I'll live long?
Why lie that he'll make me wealthy if he knew I would be lazy?
Or are you saying he doesn't know what i'll be doing?

I too am not a magician and can make you such promises: you also will be healthy if you don't drink contaminated water.

stop dreaming. we will never come together as one.
1967-1970
remember

logicboy: Kai, I stand corrected! As usual, you're always epic!

I knew only on process of cloning and not the one you mentioned.

Dolly the sheep was cloned from a cell of her meother and an embro of another. Your method is called Somatic cell nuclear transfer!

You are welcome. That is why I like atheists. We accept when we are wrong and learn new things everyday.
Religious people will never accept, even in the face of mounting and undeniable evidence, that they may be wrong about something. They are always afraid that their god would send them brimstones if they ever accept that the lies they have been fed are actually lies.

Nayah: What's the relation with the thread please, non offense

the more i know about who i'm interacting with, the better understanding we may have of each other.