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bukatyne: abeg, define culture for me!

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bukatyne: Logic Mind, i believe u're an intelligent person and intelligent people don't pass across their points wit insults esp to God. Even if u don't believe in Him, respect d beliefs of others who do. i never told u that the Bible said anything about househelps. read that post again

Me neither.
So why do you bring house help into the argument?
Running around in circles and afraid to defend your faith.

If my faith is an insult to you, then yours is an insult to me.

bukatyne: the whole Bible is inspired by God but not all the words in the Bible are the direct words of God!

What an inspiration!

Many were released in the wrong hole while many more found no egg to fertilize.

Many were disolved in acid

Many became food for cannibals and wild beasts and many more are offered as burnt offerings.

Many were flushed down the toillet while many more were collected in a condom

And many did not swim fast enough to the egg.

bukatyne: people's motives/thoughts were never judged in d OT. besides, there re only ten OT commandments given to Moses Ex 20 directly n they re stil valid till tomorrow. those re d laws Jesus Christ came to fulfill. in d OT, until u committed adultery, u were innocent but in NT, if u look at a woman wit lust then it is d same as adultery etc check Matt 5

i want to understand you perfectly well. Are you saying that apart from the ten commandments, god did not give other laws in the old testament?

bukatyne: and was it not in d beginning God created d Garden of Eden? did u notice that some plants were for animals n fruit trees for humans? read d whole chapter again

i'm wondering if you are starting to misunderstand yourself

bukatyne: it was their culture at d time. there is a difference btw d culture of d Isrealites n God's laws. they are people of God

the famous "it was the culture at that time" escape route.

bukatyne: the Bible records d Word of God, d deeds n feelings of people, their wrong/right situations etc to correct, inspire us etc so u can't quote solomon's words during despair n claim it as the mind of God. Solomon really had 700 wives n 300 concubines and that was his downfall

So you are saying that some parts of the bible are not the word of god?
that's a new one.

bukatyne: please read my post properly, i never implied that slavery was a good thing. look at it this way: if u met an house help, wat would u tell her? to behave well to her boss or to be rude to them? wat would u also advice d boss?

hypocrite!
did the bible say "house help"?
the bible said and meant slaves.

let me put it this way: if i met a house help, "helping" against her will, I will not only advise her to rebel, I will help her to be rid of her bondage and bring the her master to justice.

That is why i am better than your useless god and his bastard son of a rap.ist holy ghost.

Image123: For posterity sake as it were,

Gen 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.
Gen 1:4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness.
Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
It should be noted that Genesis 1 talks about the history of the earth, or better still, the universe, not an history of God. God has always existed forever, for all eternity. Angels existed too, and Heaven(i.e God's dwelling place) existed. god is Light, and there was light in Heaven. So Genesis 1 is not the first time God would 'see' light or create light. the creation of light in this passage is with respect to the darkness found in earth/the universe. this light came as a result of the darkness, and was used to demarcate light from darkness.

Gen 1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
these new group of lighting was a process of assigning the sun, the moon and the stars to be in charge of giving light to the earth and heavens/universe. The night here is not complete darkness, as there is a lesser light to rule the night. it's an improvement and delegation on the previous framework and foundation of creation of earth.

If I uderstand you well, on the first day god created light in general. then on the fourth day he assigned missions to these lights.
right?

buzugee: if you read the apocrypha it will explain it better for you. he lifted a nation of people out of the sea called 'adamah. adam is not someones name. i keep telling you that. adam is a definition of the type of man that was made. he was made from the earth of the ground. this is what adam means. ' made from the ground'

please tell us
is eve someone's name?
is jesus someone's name?

cowgurl: Bible preaching atheist? Isn't that kinda contradictory?
So how's ur mission so far?
A logic christain? Now that's new to me.

mission excellent: they are running scared, banning left and right and blaspheming against their gods.

cowgurl: True, so am interested in what urs is.
Come across it in d Bible? Sorry, you are a christian right?

have you ever seen a christian using logic?

i am a bible preaching atheist sent by the most I to bring the confused flock to the right way.

cowgurl: I see som pointers now, tenks logic mind.
So what do u tink of the word ENDTIME?

it is an oxymoron

jmoore: you are confused because you can't understand spiritual things.

Jesus is "the only begotten Son of God"

good.
i can see that your position has shifted ever so slightly.

bukatyne: i did n i addressed it starting from the gentiles stuff. Jesus was not afraid of a rebellion but He didn't come to reign in an earthly kingdom but an heavenly one. He said repeatedly that His Kingdom was not of this world that was y He told those believers who were slaves to obey their masters n their masters should treat them fairly. He even paid His taxes n christians re told to pay import duty, obey their govt, avoid riots etc!

wonderful
smh

bukatyne: they were not wrong laws but they dealt wit d physical aspect of life. the OT laws can not save, they just served as corrective measures. but in the NT, the person's heart(spirit) is renewed and God judges our motives, actions, thoughts etc while in the OT, only d actions re judged

Biggest lie ever.
god judged motives, thoughts etc in the old testament. many times
are we thus to abandon all of these old laws?

bukatyne: chapter 2 was talking about d Garden of Eden

This is the introduction of chapter 2

Genesis 2:4

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.

bukatyne: all the barren women that had more than a child had gals. however, the FB were always boys b'cos they had to witness in one way or the other to the isrealites and it was only men that were legible witnesses in isreal at d time. e.g. samuel was a priest, john was d forerunner of Jesus, etc

thanks for pointing that out. so you know.
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bukatyne: now u re quoting king solomon! he also said that everything is meaningless, al is vanity upon vanity! solomon was probably talking about his 1,000 wives. check d Bible, many righteous women abound

I am quoting the holy word of god.

please did solomon also marry 1000 men? that's a new one.

we are genetically and culturally different to a lot of people.
some see this difference as a curse
what is important is how you see yourself
stop letting others define you
be proud of who you are

logicboy: Yep, my girfriend was strong however, She had too many brothers and uncles. We both preferred her safety

if you love her and she can endure it, then go public. Let it be known by everbody in your community. Inform newspapers and police that you are afraid for your wife's safety because of religious bigots. Do T.V shows and tell everybody what her family says.

Belive me, it is very difficult to harm someone who is in the public eye no matter how deep the hatred goes.
That is why salman rushdie is alive today. it has become in the muslim interest that nothing happens to him.

bukatyne: the old testament operated under the old law/covenant and we have things like stoning of people, slavery etc but all that was abolished in the NT. HOWEVER, some gentiles had slaves, it was part of their customs so there must be laws to regulate slavery. it would cause serious confusion and social disorder if al masters were told to release their slaves or if al slaves were told to rebel because al the slave owners might not be christians. it is just like saying that because the law talks of punishin rape then it encouraged rape. as for d popes, u should know that Jesus is our ultimate mirror of christian living. popes can make mistakes b'cos they re human. if my pastor steals, does it mean that God support stealing? take care

So the old testament laws were wrong laws?

Sometimes troubles are best avoided if your other half remains in stuppidity.
I also got abuses when I wanted to marry another race. My family said no, her family said no. We just told them that we weren't seeking their approbation but that we were only informing them.
You see, it depends on your girl. If she is strong, then all things are possible. If she would allow bearded old men to tell her how to live her life and who to fvck, that's her choice.

jmoore: Yes, you are right but you should note that this son of God is unique.

-Jesus was worshiped and deserves worship. Christians are not to be worshiped.

-Jesus as God forgives sin as shown in Luke 7:48 "Then Jesus said to her, "Your sins are forgiven." and Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, "Son, your sins are forgiven.". Only God has the power to forgive our sins.

-The Jews understood Jesus called himself God that's why they killed him

i am now confused.
let me use equations here because you seem confused as well
god = god
jesus = god
believers = god

but god is jesus but not believers.

if all of them equal god, all of them must be the same thing. If not then child of lion = snail.

ijawkid: So christians were d masters and never d slaves

Ur saying ""it is very possible that d early christians had slaves"" shows that u urself isn't sure of ur claim........

Read this scriptures and tell me if they sound contradictory to pauls words u've been quoting since time immemorial just to prove ur slavery issue....

1 corinthians 7:21-23.....

Paul was saying that christians should stop being slaves of men.....

How do u compare that scripture to ur "" literal slaves obey ur master"" theory?


Slavery encompassed a lot of things.....

I gave u an employer/employee relationship but u would run away from it.....

Those bible admonisions from paul is what christians hold on to to be honest @ there work places.......
Obeying there bosses and employers...

Even when things aren't going on right christians are encouraged to endure,not to fight back or steal from there masters(employers)

Read also this scripture titus 2:9 $ 10
And colossians 3:22 $ 23

Early christians were either self employed or they worked for persons....

Paul himself was a slave so to speak........



Its either ur d boss or some1 is ur boss.......

One way or d other we are all slaves.....

But ofcus God is our grand master..........

Whom ever u serve ur a slave to that person....

That's why paul could again say @ galatians 5:13 that christians shuld slave for one another

Don't always envision d slavery d isrealites passed thru under d hands of d egyptians as d only definition for slavery or one being a slave........



It encompasses a lot..............

This is one of the greatest nonsense i've read on nl. (and nl is full of nonsense)

jmoore: Is the baby of a lion not a lion?

If I follow your argument, then all believers are god then.

John 1:12

12 Yet to all who did receive him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God –

If children of lion are lion, then children of god are god. Right?