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logicboy: Jesus Christ! Were you banned all this time? Ho do you manage to get banned every time?

Na hatred o, my broda.
I don't know what else to call it.
Maybe jesoul was having marital problems or something.

islam section banned me because i asked them to tell me how i could resist temptation of pork meat if i became a muslim. I even posted some pics of sizzling bacon and saussage to let them see how hard it could be to resist. No explanation. Just outright ban. Na wa o for religious intolerance.

Vivly: I happen to live in port harcourt whr i get to hear all sorts of miracles happenin. Personally av xperienced just one. An acclaimed man of God came to our church for deliverance sessions, brought out a girl, said she has a demon inside her given to her by her grandma, prayed for her nd the miracle part of it is dat she gave birth to an egg ie d demon. It was so real. We all saw d egg come out of her private part.

Ps. D woman isnt our church member so maybe she is in collaboration wit.... I dont want to judge pls

Please where is this very interesting live show church. Do they do demon deliverance on girls every week? I want to be a member please.

I have been witnessing this "miracle" on some websites with themes like "deep insertions", "swallow my egg", "cute chick lays egg" etc, but I have never seen it live.

Port Harcourt, here I come.

olaadegbo doing what he does best: using the bible to prove the bible.

Hehehe! Jesoul.
Did the holy spirit visit you or were just missing me?

Anyway, thanks for the unban so I can go on doing doG's work.

ACM10: It granted nothing to the regionz. The governor of a region can only appoint the state high court judge. He has no say in the appointment of Federal High court or Supreme Court judges. Besides, regionz are forced to streamline their laws to conform with the lawz approved by the SMC. It doezn't matter whether those lawz are in the best interest of the region.

Thanks for the clarification.
That is why I said that that decree was so useless because anybody can interprete it as it suits him.

lekkie073: ur fathers got humiliated, u will be annihilated.....

Why all these hate? What did we do to you?

If I say what I really think, I'll get a life time ban from the Yoruba moderators so I'm not going to risk it.

However, I feel your pain because I know what it feels like to lose someone especially in such horrible circumstances.
Try and celebrate her life and remember that reaching 80 years in Nigeria is a great feat on its own.

Forget about any sky daddy doG judging anybody and get your own protection. Everybody should be made to carry a gun in nigeria for self defence.

That is the debtor's problem. He should have thought well before investing in a risky volatile terrorist seccesionist backstabbing country.

Every loan is a risk. Nobody has lent me any money in anycase.

I have enough problem of my own at the moment to worry about the eventual debt problems of some creditors who are rich enough that they are currently writting off the trillions of dollars debt of Greece.

Beaf: Really? Take your pick of which gives you the most joy:

And what are those lies from a son of a coward supposed to do to me?

My only regrets are that they are not true. Biafrans made a huge mistake showing brotherly love to people who breath treachery.

Our fathers trusted your fathers and got bitten
We do not and will never trust you
I will make sure our children learn from history.

Please kill them back. Revenge is sweet. ONE NIGERIA!

^^^^^^^^^I'm still wondering which school Beaf attended.

I laugh in Biafra

ndu_chucks: Beaf, lets hope this is not one of your double speak situations. The bolded above is obviously dispicable and unfortunate and so are these atrocities.

(1)Northerners and their leaders including their revered spiritual leader, Sadauna were gunned down in cold blood by Nzeogwu Chukwuma and his gang.

(2)Ndigbo and other Easterners paid the price in blood for the actions of a few because of the resulting pogroms.

(3)Gowon's failure and inability to protect the innocent civilians from the pogrom before and during the civil war

(4)Summary Execution of midwesterners by invading biafran troops.

Item 4 has not yet been proved to my own satisfaction from all i have read here. I believe Gowon may have offered apologies for items (2) and (3) above, if not, I offer an unreserved apology on his behalf.

Which brave Ndigbo on NL would offer an unreserved apology for items (1) and (4)? Onlytruth does not count for obvious reasons.

The truth is that we'll never know the truth about every detail of the war. It has become quite difficult to distinguish between historical facts and revised historical facts. Its time to bury the hatchet, join hands, form whatever alliances are necessary, and move our country forward.

For those of you whose objective is to break up the country, your fellow tribesmen who control the econonomic, military, and political power, will put you in where you belong if you try to flex weak muscles. With or without you breakup artists, Nigeria shall become greater.

I laugh in wonderment.
Apologise for the killing of Sarduana and co? You must be having a laugh. I want to apologise to Biafrans on behalf of our brave majors that they did not kill enough of them abokis.
As you said, there is no proof that biafran soldiers summarily executed people in the midwest. Maybe they should have because some of them never deserved the kindness we showed to them.

Beaf: From what I have read so far, Biafra was vastly outmanned and outgunned by the FG even before the Aburi Accord, so I don't buy the bit that the war was as a result of Gowon secretly building up military units.
The FG side would however have been preparing for any eventuality, just as would have Biafra.

The reason given by most sources is that Gowon did not understand the difference between a federation and confederation at the time he signed the Aburi Accord. When Gowon realised and tried to renege, Ojukwu saw this as treachery and the inability of Gowon to keep to his word. In short words, the war was due to a breach of trust hinging on the implementation of the Aburi Accord.

Beaf please instruct yourself and think before you speak.
Gowon completely understood what he was signing. He was just bidding time to stockpile weapons.
Ojukwu didn't see any treachery. He just refused a decree made by the military govt.
The eastern assembly adopted and mandated Ojukwu to declare the independece of Biafra on 27th of May, 1967. It has nothing to do with trust.
Gowon declared war on Biafra.

Beaf: WTF are you talking about?
I've always known you to be scared of minorities like mpumalanga and Logic Mind.

Who is scared of you?
inconsequential confused set of basttards born of unholy union between aboki invaders and minority whoreholes.

Onlytruth please tell me,
What concessions are you willing to give to our minority neighbours in order to gain their support or are you expecting them to help you realise your dream without any indemnification?

Beaf: Dude, look at it this way. We do not think we need you either in the sense that you misunderstand the word, need.
It is just common sense to be friendly and at ease with your neighbour, to share bonds, alliances, directions and culture. Does that make you smaller than you are or decrease the length of our collective manhoods? Only a small mind would think so.

How can anyone equate forming healthy alliances with subservience? That is very strange, bro.
It is usually the minorities that fear domination, ho come its different in your particular case?

Biafra failed because of visionless people like you. There are people like you on our side of the fence too; believe me, you are not needed and you are of zero consequence.

You, like onlytruth, also fail to understand me.
We can share bonds, alliances, directions etc as long as my relationship with you does not jeopardise my safety and freedom. We can even sign pact and have the same Biafra as long as I don't have to look over my shoulders all the time because I cannot trust you.
What is very strange is that someone, who is our virtual leader in this NL, will take a stance of weakness with regards to our fight for freedom from nigeria. Listening to Onlytruth, one would think that Igbos cannot do anything without the accord of its neighbouring minorities. This is entirely a weak position to take and borders on subservience.
I, Logic Mind state:
We the igbos are big enough to stand on our own.
We the igbos are the only tribe brave enough to have fought for our freedom in this country.
We can form alliances with anybody, as any country does, as long as it is in our interest but our survival can never depend on our alliances but on our strength.
Let us stop waiting for others and take our own destiny in our hands.

Onlytruth: The above comment is TOTALLY WRONG AND SHOULD BE REPUDIATED BY ALL IGBO.
You know why? Because that is exactly what the "minority" groups in that region accuse us of. Who wants to be subservient to anybody? Today we say that Hausa/Fulani has been ruling Nigeria, but the truth is that it is the Northern minority tribes that have been ruling. That is called being politically sophisticated. It is not being subservient.

Thank God that a MAJORITY OF IGBO these days don't share in this your chauvinistic opinion. I disavow it totally.

Igbo are the same as every other group in the East. To single us out as people who think themselves superior to others is unacceptable to us and our interests. It is same mindset that some Igbo hold against other Igbo within the Igbo nation. Nobody is, and should be subservient to anybody in the East or in Nigeria as a whole. When we seek Biafra, we seek it because we think (and know)that in Nigeria, there is a master/servant relationship between the North and the South politically. That is how we ended up with many incompetent Northern leaders through the years. If we are serious about Biafra (even an Igbo only country), this mentality MUST die a natural death.

This is the problem I always have with people assuming things without properly listening to what I said exactly. Reread my post and tell me where I said we were superior to anybody.
You are wrong. Igbos are NOT the same as any other group anywhere.
We have our history, we have our pride. Like a lot of other tribes.
This history neither makes us superior nor inferior to anybody. It rather completes us and define us.
What you, Eze Onlytruth, are doing is actually making us seem inferior and look like we need the support of minorities before we can be free. We don't.
If we are not big and strong enough to take care of our own and of our destiny in our hands alone, then maybe we are not ready to have our own country.

But this evident truth apart, you still have not answered my question? What exactly do we need from these minorities that we don't have or can't get on our own?

nijanigga: There are probably more goats and sheep in this country,than humans.White man will say,this is not the kind of democracy we advertised. We thought,these black monkies have cut their tails,but we are wrong.

why would i cut my tail because oyibo go think?

Onlytruth: @Topic

My passion is, and has always been shaped by a very wise saying by a very wise man. Here it goes:

SHOW ME A MAN WHO WOULD NOT COMPROMISE, AND I WOULD SHOW YOU A MAN WITH ROCKS FOR BRAINS.

Everything in nation building -whether starting a new nation, or building an old one, DEPENDS on compromise.

If this wisdom had been applied, Biafra would have been actualized. The journey of one thousand miles starts with a step.
One of the people from SS here that I respect is one guy called Careytommy. He is from Akwa Ibom and supports Biafra.
His own reason? That it would be easier for Akwa/Cross to secede from a future Biafra than current Nigeria. Smart dude!
That is the type of reasoning that gets results, not my way or the highway type of reasoning.

This is part of why I work hand in hand with the Beaf's of South South. I'm taking a closer look at PhysicQED these days too.Let the debate continue.

I don't know if we could agree on this subject of our relationship with our south south neighbours. You think and act like we need them. They take the cue and act like we need them. I say we don't need them. I have given some of my reasons previously. Your stance is making us look subservient to these southerners.
If you are going to lead the igbo people you should at least accomodate our mentality: we do not like being seen as subservient to anybody. We have too proud a history for that.

Beaf: That is the general concesus of legal minds according authoritative litterature out in the wild.
Tell us what you have against the decree.

So you are saying that you can't see anywhere where it says so but we should all accept that it says so because "authoritative literature out in the wild" said it was the "general concensus of legal minds"? Mmh!

May I suggest that we use our own eyesight and brains and knowledge gained through education that our parents toiled to pay, and look at that decree again. It is one of the most useless and senseless document produced in history. Very ambiguous and open to any interpretation. The intention was clear: to calm the easterners while maintaing power with the northerners.

Beaf: Dude, I have no time for your accusations, I have come to see your type as bullies and cowards who prey on smaller groups. Thank God your views are an inconsequential minority among the igbo's.

Go and read Decree 8 thoroughly. If all soldiers had returned to their states of origin, what authority did the federal military govt possess?
Expert civilian advice was either absent or overlooked.
It is possible that Decree 8 breached an agreement, if so, I want to know how. Further, I want to know why Decree 8 was not used as the weapon for secession instead of bullets. Something went seriously wrong.

I think you should follow your own advise and go and read the stuppid document of a decree not worth the paper it was written on.
How can you use decree 8 as a weapon for secession when this decree actually bans any region from attempting to secede? It gave the federal govt. the power to impose a state of emergency on any seceding region and take over the entire government and powers of that region. It was decree 8 that gave gowon the power to declare "police action" against Biafra.

Therefore, far from granting any sovereignity to regions, decree 8 actually removed regional powers and put them in the hands of the federal military government headed by abokis. Ojukwu could not accept that.

Beaf: Decree 8 had granted each region sovereignty already. The Midwest could be neutral based on the contents of Decree 8 which effectivel made Nigeria a confederacy - I hope you will take time out to read it in full.

That renders all your above arguments basesless.

You lie again. Decree 8 did not grant each region sovereignty. It granted judicial powers to regions but put executive and leglislative powers to the federal military govt.

alj harem: Because it seems they are the only ones with the brains

Your people I had always respected until I hit Nairaland then I discovered your true colour.

And what is this true colour of ours?

alj harem: And so he headed towards Lagos ?

One question, I though Ojukwu was ready to make Yorubas partners and NOT slaves. If so, why not wait for Awolowo to tell him when he should invade or not.

Again if Ojukwu wanted to liberate the west. Then He should not have fought a war at Ore, simple negotiation would have made his intention clear.

Knowing full well how cowardly and weak the west are, I think it is clear that we would have called for help rather than fight back isn't it.

Next time (if at all), we would treat each other as equals and not try to dominate the other.

Moreover, in terms of war (longest war in west african history), marginalisation, divide and rule, balkanization and suffering Yorubas have had there own fair share thanks to Nnamdi and other Igbos politicians back in those days.

Now that God has used Awolowo to free us from the quagmire, you people are angry ? You call him all sort of names

Dede1, I truly wish you can put yourself in other's shoes and know what they feel rather than look from your selfish angle.

BTW, Beaf is an Igboman like you I suggest you listen to him

So today, you are a Yoruba man. Let me see how long it will last.

Beaf: ^
Dude, quit clowning as a local champ here, you are fooling only yourself.

I have published the full Decree 8 of 1967 here:
https://www.nairaland.com/948996/decree-no-8-1967-answer

Instead of flapping around, saying foolish things here; I challenge you to go to that link and tell us why such a beautiful thing was rejected.
I fully understand that tempers and emotions were high over the barbaric pogroms in the North, but I cannot accept the way Decree 8 was thrown away.

https://www.nairaland.com/948996/decree-no-8-1967-answer

Already started responding to you there.

Beaf: Nigeria was effectively declared a confederacy. What went wrong and how did we miss the boat?
This is one for the best minds on NL, the input of legal and constitutional minds will be especially appreciated.
Please let the discussion be cordial, cerebral and respectful.

Which part of that nonsense declared Nigeria a confederation?

alj harem: Ignorance is indeed the downfall of a man.

Why was Ojukwu heading towards lagos, So because it was the capital, you want to range war on the people of Lagos ?

If Banjo who followed Ojukwu's instruction to the later could later turn back and be shot by Ojukwu without listening to reasoning, I wonder what the fate of other Lagosians would have been

Truly ignorance is indeed bliss.

BTW all this back and forth argument would not change anything, BEAF is Igbo like you all, thus I suggest you listen to him here.

You are the one showing your ignorance.
You ask why Ojukwu headed to Lagos? Why were the allied forces headed to Berlin in 1945? Why was nigeria headed to Enugu at first, then to Owerri and Umuahia? Why was U.S.A. headed to Baghdad and Kabul? Because they are Capital cities sttupid.
Banjo was a cowardly traitor which is not surprising seeing the tribe he emanates from.
You want us to shut up? We wont. We will remember our heroes and we cannot stop until we get our freedom.

T9ksy: Ol' boy, you should lay off the cheap crack or better still, sack your dealer.

Insult is the trademark of those that have a lack of reasoned argument

Onlytruth: I didn't know that this thread would go past 4 pages. Well well.
Agbachakwa egwu o naa n'ukwu -every dance moves must culminate in hip movements.
I advised that we should leave revisiting the past as far as minority (especially the eastern ones) involvement in the war is concerned. My reason remains simple, and it seems that only few of my brothers understood it.
I love Ojukwu and would fight anyone dissing his legacy. I would also be foolish if I say that he was infallible. He was a man too.
[size=14pt]The midwest incursion (as every good historian already knows) was a mistake and a miscalculation. Simple and short.[/size]

As for the Eastern minorities, as early as August 1966, there was already an Eastern consultative assembly formed to bring everybody on board in the East. It did not achieve much. The next in October of same year didn't achieve much also. There was no SOLID agreement in the East until the shooting war started, and there could not have been that agreement because there were Ijaw elements such as Dappa Biriye and Isaac Adaka Boko who were mentally allied with the Hausa/Fulani North, and there was nothing anyone could have done to persuade them otherwise. For me, after that assembly in 1966, I would have gone to seek an alliance with a STRONG foreign country who would agree to support Biafra with a naval and air force, knowing that these elements were already planning to sabotage Biafra.
If I couldn't get that foreign support, I would have dropped ALL plans of secession and called it a day.

Someone on this thread raised a strong point that southern groups were not Biafra's biggest threats initially. It was Hausa/Fulani. If Biafra had focused on them and dealt with them seriously, no southern element would have even thought about fighting Biafra. All these accusations and counter accusations to me sounds like nothing more than lame attempts at revisionism.
I warn my Igbo brothers to always think strategically.
When I hustle for international airports in SE, join me in that campaign and use the vigor you have wasted here to hustle along with me. Those are strategic investments. I wish you would give 10% of the energy you gave on this thread to such strategic efforts, instead of abandoning it, making it to look like an Onlytruth venture. Save your energy for efforts that would empower us. Campaign for worthy empowerment of our section of Nigeria. When we get empowered, all things shall be added onto us.
You cannot get that empowerment without international access. You are all keeping quiet when you see all the international airports located outside Igbo land. Tomorrow you will start complaining that those people did not join our efforts. When you plan a war, you put it WAY BEYOND THE REACH of failure. That is how we should be thinking, not cherry picking history and cutting and dicing fault-lines.

I didn't know where to begin with your post, however the bolded merits a revisit. This is the epitomical example of others rewriting our history and us accepting it without question.
The "invasion of the midwest", as you call it, was neither a mistake nor a miscalculation but rather a master stroke from a master of war.
It was as devastating for nigeria and its allies as it was unexpected.
It was so unexpected that at first, the nigerian top military officials in Lagos dismissed the early reports.
It was so unexpected that Biafran forces met practically no resistance all the way to Benin.
It was so unexpected that Nigeria did not have any contingency plans for such occurence.
It was so unexpected that The 3MCDO abandoned its operations in Bonny and sent two third of its men toward Benin.
It was so unexpected that Lagos elites had already started leaving the country when the news came that we were in Ore.
It was so unexpected that even Gowon panicked and had his presidential jet ready with pilots on 24hr call in order to leave at the shortest notice.
It was so unexpected that Nigeria halted hostilities in Nsukka sector and started sending troops back to Ibadan.

This was no "invasion of the midwest" but a direct attack towards Lagos that if it had succeded would have brought the war to an abrupt end. Biafran air force was already softening up lagos with bombs to prepare for the ground attack.
Please remember that the Midwest was a quasi-autonomous region then, with it's own government but has not declared independence from Nigeria. So it was considered as part of Nigeria. However, Biafra having passed through, needed to secure it and the easiest way to secure it was declaring them independent of Nigeria.

Anyway, the question now remains: why did such a master plan fail?
This is where I cry for Biafra and our not trusting ourselves. There is an old saying that if you want a job done properly, do it yourself. Ojukwu ignored this wise adage and put a Yoruba man in charge of this mission.
One can understand the reasoning behind this move then. Biafra didn't want to alienate the west. An army commanded by a westerner will not permit its troops to commit atrocities in the west. The west will be more welcoming of an army commanded by one of their sons. etc.
Therein lies the problem. Ojukwu mixed politics with military tactics. He should have concentrated on the military side of things and let igbo politicians do the politics.

Was it cowardice at the prospects of facing a real military resistance? Was it pity and allegiance to one's own people? Was it other political ambitions? We may never know but history have it that instead of continuing on his objective he started discussing with Ojukwu on the politics of midwest. He had to be recalled back to Enugu and given further stern instructions. This was another mistake. Ojukwu should have sent an igbo man.

This time wasting allowed nigeria to reorganise and counterattack. The rest is history. I do not believe the trumped up charges of Banjo, Ifeajuna & co trying to overthrow Ojukwu. This is simply because such action made no sense whatsoever however you analyse it. I believe that they were a bit insurbodinate and were shot as an example to others. Ojukwu, also having suffered a major military loss had to reassert himself by killing the officers who were in charge of the catastrophic mission.

Why are we revising all these? Igbos should know that we can never have anything to do with the Yorubas. No igbo/Yoruba joint venture has ever succeeded. No igbo/Yoruba joint venture will ever succeed. Let us stop fantasizing about a unified south. It is such naievety that has cost us in the past.

There is this orther "theory" that for some unknown reasons, we, the igbos, need other minorities in the south. This is very absurd and an uside down reasoning. What exactly do we need them for?
Some people say that without them, we are landlocked. Another falsehood created by the mischevious nigerian government. Main Igbo states maybe landlocked but the tribe as a whole is not landlocked. Even if we accept this lie of being landlocked, there are many landlocked countries in this world that prospering.
Some say that they fought on our side. Of course they fought on our side because it was largely in their interest to fight on our side. When the tables turned, they quickly turned against us.
People usually mention Effiong to show that the minorities were in position of power and one with us during the war. What exactly did Effiong accomplish for Biafra? Even the only job he had to do of surrendering to nigeria, he had to use to insult his comander in chief and igbo freedom fighters in general. This is what the ediot said "Our people are now disillusioned, and those elements of the old government regime who have made negotiations and reconciliation impossible have voluntarily removed themselves from our midst."

Even fake census data put igbo population around 18 million. (We are more than double that) This figure is more than the population of 135 countries.

The simple fact is we don't need anybody. On the contrary, they need us.