₦airaland Forum

davien:
So how does "god" escape a beginning?

God simply has no beginning. Time exists in the mind while eternity is above our understanding. Besides I never knew there were so many atheists on nairaland

asala1:
You are having a double standard here. You agree that God does not have a creator and has been from the beginning but you don't agree that the universe can come out of nothing just like God.

Exactly!!!

FrancisTony:
OP, you ended up proving nothing.
Muslims and Christians are really dumbhead that they can't prove the existence of their theistic God(Allah & Yahweh).

What you just proved is the way a deist believes in God in no relation to yours.

Going by your post, any form of religion can use this logic to prove the existence of their God--even Beyonce's religion.

Prove the existence of your supernatural biblical Yahweh and Quaranic Allah, not delving into our own way(deistic way).

very funny...SMH but I went through your profile and discovered that you are a catholic. Or are you now an atheist?

asala1:
And please when did God start existing? and how?

God never started to exist, he has always been. In his existence there is no begining because he existed before time. There are a lot of mysteries we humans do not understand yet. At least not while on earth

johnydon22:
nothing can come out of nothing but you believe this ur deity (god) came out nothing right? now if nothing can come out of.nothing it means this ur god cant come out of nothing so who created this ur god and who created the god that created ur god and so the chain keeps going?

Please go back to the first point I gave which was explained with the idea of motion. Study it criticaly and you will answer your question by yourself

DProDG:
Why is it that when theists try to prove god's existence, they take the POV of a deist? This says nothing about the God of the bible/quran/torah. These are all assertions without proof. "I don't know what started motion, therefore, God"(no.1), "I don't know how the universe came to be, therefore God"(no.2 & 3). That's called God of the gaps fallacy. Perfection is subjective(no. 4). Evolution explains no.5.

Nothing can come out of nothing. The same case applies to the universe. Please note that the universe exists in time and space. Before the beginning of the universe, time was reset to zero, meaning that there was no past, no future nor even a present. This is the realm God exists in. I am very sure you cannot imagine a situation were time did not exist because it is beyond human understanding. Time in its philosophical sense was created by God along with the universe, A superior being without a begining. Like I said, beyond human understanding

undercat:
What difference does it make if we don't call it God?

what exactly is your point??

What real evidence can be supplied for God's
existence? St. Thomas, in his Summa
Theologica, sets forth five separate proofs for
the existence of God, Unlike St. Anselm's
proof, which deals with pure concepts, St.
Thomas' proofs rely on the world of our
experience-what we can see around us. In
these proofs we can easily see the influence of
Aristotle and his doctrine of the Four Causes.

l) The Proof from Motion. We observe motion
all around us. Whatever is in motion now was
at rest until moved by something else, and that
by something else, and so on. But if there were
an infinite series of movers, all waiting to be
moved by something else, then actual motion
could never have got started, and there would
be no motion now. But there is motion now.
So there must be a First Mover which is itself
unmoved. This First Mover we call God.

2) The Proof from Efficient Cause. Everything
in the world has its efficient cause--its maker--
and that maker has its maker, and so on. The
coffee table was made by the carpenter, the
carpenter by his or her parents, and on and
on. But if there were just an infinite series of
such makers, the series could never have got
started, and therefore be nothing now. But
there is something everything there is! So there
must have been a First Maker, that was not
itself made, and that First Maker we call God.

3) The Proof from Necessary vs. Possible
Being. Possible, or contingent, beings are
those, such as cars and trees and you and I,
whose existence is not necessary. For all such
beings there is a time before they come to be
when they are not yet, and a time after they
cease to be when they are no more. If
everything were merely possible, there would
have been a time, long ago, when nothing had
yet come to be. Nothing comes from nothing,
so in that case there would be nothing now!
But there is something now-the world and
everything in it-so there must be at least one
necessary being. This Necessary Being we call
God.

4) The Proof from Degrees of Perfection. We
all evaluate things and people in terms of their
being more or less perfectly true, good, noble
and so on. We have certain standards of how
things and people should be. But we would
have no such standards unless there were
some being that is perfect in every way,
something that is the truest, noblest, and best.
That Most Perfect Being we call God.

5) The Proof from Design. As we look at the
world around us, and ourselves, we see ample
evidence of design--the bird's wing, designed
for the purpose of flight; the human ear,
designed for the purpose of hearing; the
natural environment, designed to support life;
and on and on. If there is design, there must
be a designer. That Designer we call God

President Goodluck Jonathan on Monday
formally received the report of forensic
auditors engaged to carry out a detailed
investigation into the activities of the Nigerian
National Petroleum Corporation.
An accounting firm, PriceWaterHouse, was last
year hired to carry out the exercise following
an allegation by the former Governor of the
Central Bank of Nigeria, Lamido Sanusi, that
$20bn was not remitted to the Federation
Account by the NNPC.
Sanusi, who is now the Emir of Kano, had
written a letter to Jonathan that $49bn was
not remitted to the Federation Account by the
NNPC.
But following the controversy which the letter
generated, a committee was set up to
reconcile the account.
Sanusi later recanted and said the unremitted
fund was $12bn. He later again changed the
figure to $20bn.
The Nigeria Country Senior Partner of
PriceWaterHouse, Uyi Akpata, on Monday
presented the report to the President on
behalf of the firm saying, “It is a privilege for
us to have carried out this exercise on behalf
of the government and I hope that you will
find this report useful.”
Akpata did not give any insight into the
forensic report.
In accepting the report however, Jonathan
noted that the media and indeed Nigeria
would be interested in the findings.
To this end, he directed the Auditor-General
of the Federation to study the report and
make the key highlights public within the
week.
He said, “There has been so much of
controversy over this NNPC and leakages or
no leakages. I remember the Senate has also
looked into it, it is also good that you
professionals have also looked into it.
“What appears in the papers and the
speculations is also very high, the figures that
I cannot even imagine the country will make
is being bandied in the newspapers.
“So, I am quite pleased that you have
undertaken the forensic audit. Though it is
voluminous, I will give it to the professionals.
“In government work, there are people that
have the statutory responsibilities to handle
such assignment which is the Auditor-General
of the Federation.
“So, the Auditor-General will look at it and
within the week, let us have key highlights
because the media will want to know the key
findings vis-a-vis the Senate’s findings and
figures being bandied around in the
newspapers.”

Good day ladies and Gentlemen. Let's go straight to the point. For God's sake, what excuse do Christians have to justify sex outside marriage? (fornication). O yes...now, people don't like to use the word fornication (may be due to guilty conscience), instead, you hear newly furnished words like *Bleep*. But it is boldly written in the bible :
1 Corinthians 6:18-20
Flee from sexual immorality. Every other
sin a person commits is outside the body,
but the sexually immoral person sins
against his own body. Or do you not know
that your body is a temple of the Holy
Spirit within you, whom you have from
God? You are not your own, for you were
bought with a price. So glorify God in your body
Another :
1 Corinthians 6:9
Or do you not know that the unrighteous
will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not
be deceived; neither fornicators, nor
idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,
nor homosexuals.
So ladies and gentlemen, what do you have to say?

Nna ehh!!! them born jos born violence? Tufiakwa!!!! .

Gunmen have shot dead 12 people at
the Paris office of French satirical
magazine Charlie Hebdo in an apparent
militant Islamist attack.
Four of the magazine's well-known
cartoonists, including its editor, were
among those killed, as well as two police
officers.
A major police operation is under way to
find three gunmen who fled by car.
President Francois Hollande said there was
no doubt it had been a terrorist attack "of
exceptional barbarity".
It is believed to be the deadliest attack in
France since 1961, when right-wingers who
wanted to keep Algeria French bombed a
train, killing 28 people.
The masked attackers opened fire with
assault rifles in the office and exchanged
shots with police in the street outside
before escaping by car. They later
abandoned the car in Rue de Meaux,
northern Paris, where they hijacked a
second car.
Witnesses said they heard the gunmen
shouting "We have avenged the Prophet
Muhammad" and "God is Great" in Arabic
(Allahu Akbar)
The number of attackers was initially
reported to be two, but French Interior
Minister Bernard Cazeneuve later said
security services were hunting three
"criminals". He said that Paris had been
placed on the highest alert.
Charlie Hebdo editor Stephane
Charbonnier, 47, had received death
threats in the past and was living under
police protection.
French media have named the three other
cartoonists killed in the attack as Cabu,
Tignous and Wolinski, as well as Charlie
Hebdo contributor and French economist
Bernard Maris.
The attack took place during the
magazine's daily editorial meeting.
At least four people were critically
wounded in the attack.
The satirical weekly has courted
controversy in the past with its irreverent
take on news and current affairs. It was
firebombed in November 2011 a day after
it carried a caricature of the Prophet
Muhammad.
source: m.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30710883

chester47:
before i start,CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN JESUS,MUSLIMS IN ALLAH..IF CHRISTIANS GO TO HEAVEN,THEN WHERE WILL MUSLIMS GO TO,SINCE ITS THE SAME GOD THEY LL WORSHIP??

1:Man was made from dust,And from dust he shall return.:Here we talk about man forging out from the soil.lol.but in real sense we were born..sperm meet with the eggs and gets fertilized and then we emerge with water and blood..so when did dust enter the womb?nevertheless,there is no possible way man could be made by God when God doesnt exist.it only fabrication of our mind.If god made man,then can you actuall told me where he made them to diverse them to your womb..such is bulshit..

2:God lives in heaven with his angels,and banished Lucifer.Here we see the real truth,well nobody has ever been to heaven to know it actually exist..all we know is that there is some one called God and jesus and Satan although we haven't seen them with our eyes.Well n actual sense there was no war in heaven and nobody banished nobody.this was all made up lies to decieve us thinking we have satan and jesus.besides how can jesus and god be god?

3:The last day,the body will resurrect when Christ comes..Well this part is kinda tricky..at first,when will the so called Christ come..we are in over 30000 years.besides the bible states that the grave,water fishes and lions will give up the ones it ate..which means that when Jesus comes the whole animals will form back to life,and start coughing out the flesh before the bones which after the flesh will join back to the bone to form the person..lol..this is real science friction movie..

4:hell..Here they say its a place of torment..well nobody has been there to tell us how the place is actually.so how is it a place of torment?since ou were born,can you try to recall where you were before you were born??of corse no every where is blank..and befoore your parents where born where yu living to recall all those act?no!!!Simply because he have no brain and we were never existing..we only started when we were born to earth..

5:AFTER DEATH LIFE CONTINUES:This is the craziest of them all..well after death?nobody has come back to tell us life continues..after death there is no life.the only life you have is on earth and if it is gone..no more.where will the life continue?in the grave..have you in anyway thought that a spirit and soul lives in us..no way man..when the body dies,the brain dies immediaely and thus when the brain dies there is no more projection to make us imagine that our spirit leaves the body..so there is a blackout..and the so descist will never ever live..

6:HEAVEN..hmm this s pure film trick..well they said heaven is a place made of gold and good things..but no one has been there. infarct even the bible says when a man dies he still stays in the grave then when will he now ascend to heaven if he is still in the grave?well there is nothing like heaven..when you die every thing dies..you wont have anywhere t go to cause physically your body cant move and your brain can create illusins anymore.

7:God CHANGED THE HUMAN LANGUAGE.This is the worst of them all.cause the bible says that God changed thier language when they were building the tower of barbel to get to heaven and see God when the water comes.and god changed their language..well god actually know that beyond this earth,they will only suffocate and die..he could have left them..why changing thier language..well the people who wrote the bible then still thought heaven is the white thing you looking at and that the earth is Flat.

8:GOD..in this part every one believe that there is a supernatural being called god.well what every one doesn't kNow is that the bible says that the god made us in our image..f god really made us in our image.hen we are our own self God..god simply means what you worship..if you decide to worship a stick or anything..then its your own god..unless you want to be a god of your own.

9:[b]GOD IS OMNIPOTENT,PRESENCE AND SCIENCE.[/b]this is so coll right now..well if god is all these,he should have known that man would hurt him and he still created them to hurt him..can you use knife and cut your self when you know you're the one who will bleed?he could have prevented Lucifer from deceiving them since he has seen the future..he could have sent Moses back since he knew they will make a golden calf?he could have just sent Jesus since he knew he was the one without asking who will go..he could have just destroyed man since he knew that Noah will obey him than trying to make them..he could have simply known that cane will kill Abel and was asking cane where is Abel..he could have known Abraham and lot where the only people during Sodom and Gomorrah.He could have simply known that creating man will make him unhappy and wipe all the time..he could have simply known when the son of man will come,cause he himself do not even know..

FINAL CONCLUSION.......
ALL THIS ARE NOT REAL..NONE OF THIS EXIST.THE BIBLE IS JUST A NORMAL STORY BOOK.When people say there worship jesus..they are asors and preach,but still they have no child,why is their god not helping them..have you ever wondered as a pastor that yyou have been praying and asking jesus the power to heal bu you still didnt get it..it simply tell you that it is not real and there is no jesus..there is no God..there are no angels and demons..you only fooling yourself making your brai think there are thse things existing..how can you say jesus came to earth and died and resurrected..how s that possible..how can you say he rose the dead while non of our modern pastors can do that..or aint there getting thier power from jesus?finally think of your self man..think about what you just reaad now..just think how someone will be in cancer for ears and worship God fuly bu still dies of cancer after praying and begging god to heal her..without knowing she is wasting her time....BUT SPIRITS AND POWERS EXIST

NONSENSE!!!

1. Forget failure
Ah, yes, the dark side of academic
judgement. In school we’re taught to
avoid failure, and some people will stoop
to nearly unspeakable levels to not fail.
Cheating, copying, and other means of
deception are used as a result of the
unfair stigma put around failing.
Contrary to popular belief, the act of
failing is where the majority of growth
occurs. Entrepreneurs and business
people are well aware of and well
acquainted with failure. They are not
afraid to experience it, and they quickly
learn and move on after they fall flat on
their face. Arianna Huffington
epitomizes this resolve. Her first major
failure came when her second book was
rejected by 36 publishing houses . Do you
think those places wish they still had a
chance to accept the work of someone
who created one of America’s leading
online news aggregates?

2. Take action despite fear
Everyone has fear. No matter how cocky,
confident, or sure someone may seem,
they are afraid. They are afraid of failure,
rejection, and pain just like everyone
else. How great leaders differ is the
ability to take action despite that fear.
Once they are in action, they are often
too busy and occupied to worry anymore.
Scott Adams, creator of the Dilbert comic
strips, once perfectly summed this step
up:
“I go into most risky projects (and those
are the type I prefer) with two
contradictory thoughts: one, this sort of
thing is unlikely to succeed and two, this
will totally succeed.”

3. Planning is great, but
don’t overlook right now
A large part of our current education
system relies on an unhealthy obsession
with the future. Even if it’s not direct,
like a high school senior looking for
colleges to attend, each schoolgirl and
boy is planning for the future with every
test aced or every subject flunked. This
breeds, again, a fixed mindset that’s
detrimental to progress and applicable
growth. Instead of worrying about
getting into Yale, worry about getting one
answer at a time correct on the next
homework assignment. Value the
journey over the destination.
Businessman Peter Drucker teaches us
the importance of not looking too deep
into the future, and staying dedicated to
taking the appropriate steps in the now:
“The best way to predict the future is to
create it.”

4. Don’t be afraid to ask a
question
There is always that one girl or guy in
the front row who asks something every
time there’s an opportunity, but they
obviously have no issue with speaking in
public. Some people experience a
paralysis when asking a question in
class. For those who truly don’t
understand something, speak up. This
problem exists in the workplace, too. Far
too many workers are confused or even
under appreciated because of their
inability to speak up and add input. The
best in the business feel they deserve to
be heard, and their questions are
worthwhile and valid. So are yours.

5. If you believe it’s worth
doing, it is
Our schooling system dictates, for the
most part, what you have to learn. This,
sadly, leaves us unable to truly peruse
the things we’re passionate about
because we’re shackled to a
curriculum dictated by the school. The
most brilliant and successful people in
this world focused and honed their
passions. Thomas Edison, who failed
countless times and was almost killed by
scarlet fever at a young age, wouldn’t
allow his passion and vision for
inventions die. He went after it no
matter what it took (1,000 some odd tries
before the lightbulb). The same goes for
you, who needn’t seek validation from
anyone but you. If you think something
is cool, or a career is interesting, or a
project is engaging, go for it. Forget
about those who won’t back you up.
They don’t matter anyway.

6. Patience, Iago
A lot of teachers are really great at super
responsive feedback, but that too can be
a hindrance. It establishes an expectation
for instant results, which isn’t conducive
to success in the business world. Things
happen slowly. They happen so slowly,
that the main reason people give up on
almost any endeavor in almost every
aspect of life is because of the sluggish
pace of dreams. They threw in the towel
when they moved in inch in a year,
when they expected a mile. To piggyback
on the second point above, this, too,
comes from fixating on the future.
Successful people don’t focus only on the
end, but also how far they’ve come. Jim
Carrey and his family, for instance, were
once so poor that they were living out of
a van to keep food in their stomachs. If
Jim didn’t have the patience and belief
that one day he’d be a great comedian,
we’d have never seen his genius shine.

7. See greatness in others,
not just the mirror
In school we loathe working in groups,
and are geared to focus only on our own
performance. There might be a
misconception that smart and successful
business people are inherently selfish.
While there my be a few examples of
these in corporate offices across the
nation, don’t let a few bad eggs spoil the
whole carton. The most talented are also
usually well liked because of their ability
to help others shine brightly. They can
easily recognize a hard worker, a hustler,
and someone who lives life with a lot of
passion. What’s more, successful people
always help others look better
than themselves. They don’t take all the
credit, they do not steal the ideas of
others, and they certainly do not back
stab or step on others to get what they
want. Dale Carnegie is the prime example
of a successful entrepreneur who evokes
and promotes camaraderie in the
workplace through his best selling
novel, How to Win Friends and Influence
People.
Our formal schooling taught us many
beneficial things, but there’s
alwaysmore to discover and sponge up
in our journey to achieve greatness. With
the steps listed above you will be well on
your way to learning the essential things
that were unfortunately skipped in
school.
The closing bell may signify the end of a
scheduled school day, but not the end of
your learning.

lilmaxfidel:
is this a joke

where else could I have created it?

1) The "Lurker" - Never posts anything or
comments on your post, but reads everything,and might make reference to your status if they... see you in public.
... ...
2) The "Hyena" - Doesn't ever really say
anything, just LOLs and LMAOs at everything

3) "Mr/Ms Popular" - Has 4367 friends for NO
reason

4) The "Gamer" - Plays Words With Friends,
Mafia Wars, Bakes virtual cakes and stuff, etc.,

5)The "Prophet" - Every post makes reference
to God or Jesus

6) The "Thief" - Steals status updates.. and will probably steal this one.

7) The "Cynic" - Hates their life, and everything in it, as evidenced by the somber tone in ALL of their status updates.

The "Collector" - Never posts anything
either, but joins every group and becomes
fans of the most random stuff.

9) The "Promoter" - Always sends event
invitations to things that you ultimately delete or ignore.

10) The "Liker" - Never actually says anything,
buy always clicks the "like" button

11) The "Hater" - Every post revolves around
someone hating on them, and they swear
people are trying to ruin their life

12) The "Anti-Proofreader" - This person
would benefit greatly from Spellcheck, and
sometimes you feel bad for them because you don't know if they were typing fast, or really cant spell.

13) "Drama Queen/ King" - This person always posts stuff like "I can't believe this!", or "They
gonna make me snap today!", in the hopes
that you will ask what happened, or what's
wrong...but then they never finish telling the
story.

14) "Womp Womp" - This person consistently
tries to be funny...but never is.

15) The "News" - Always updates you on what
they are doing and who they are doing it with, no matter how arbitrary

16) The "Rooster" - Feels that it is their job to
tell Facebook "Good Morning" every day.

Which one are you....be HONEST!!

1) The First Finishers: They are always the
first to finish; maybe it's to show they are
brillant or who knows they might have seen
Orijo(expo)

2) The Dependents: This category of
people are the type who come to the exam
hall empty headed.

3)The Holy Ones: You are friends before
exam start but once you start exam you
become temporary enemies. Dem no sabi
you again.

4)The Giraffes: They tend to have long
necks and sharp sight. Always looking for
who to spy

5)The Selfish Ones: These set of people
will never be willing to give out a little of
what is in their brain, they are always
looking for ways to add to theirs. Awon
Oloshi

6)The Pretenders: They dress like SU, you
see them praying for like 30mins before
they start writing only for them to bring out
expo and start cheating. Some even
smuggle handout in. Nigerians Sha.

FEEL FREE TO ADD YOURS

1) The First Finishers: They are always the
first to finish; maybe it's to show they are
brillant or who knows they might have seen
Orijo(expo)

2) The Dependents: This category of
people are the type who come to the exam
hall empty headed.

3)The Holy Ones: You are friends before
exam start but once you start exam you
become temporary enemies. Dem no sabi
you again.

4)The Giraffes: They tend to have long
necks and sharp sight. Always looking for
who to spy

5)The Selfish Ones: These set of people
will never be willing to give out a little of
what is in their brain, they are always
looking for ways to add to theirs. Awon
Oloshi

6)The Pretenders: They dress like SU, you
see them praying for like 30mins before
they start writing only for them to bring out
expo and start cheating. Some even
smuggle handout in. Nigerians Sha.

Gosh which kind bad belle be this!!!!!! na who con occupy last space for front page na?? This thing don vex me wella.
ah don vex I no dey comment again

A Ugandan maid who sparked outrage
when she was filmed stomping on a
toddler has been jailed for four years.
Jolly Tumuhirwe, 22, was filmed beating
and kicking 18-month-old Aneela Kamanzi
after she vomited while eating dinner.
Horrifying footage, caught on a hidden
camera by the girl's father, showed
Tumuhirwe attacking the child who had
been left in her care.
source - www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2874502/Ugandan-maid-sparked-outrage-filmed-stomping-toddler-jailed-four-years.html

Mehn I'm tired of naija...u sure say e go better??

I came accross this and consisered it cool to share this with someone.

Prof. Abletor Sedofia.

"Academic excellence is overrated!
Did I just say that? Oh, yes, I said it. Being top
of your class does not necessarily guarantee
that you will be at the top of life. You could
graduate as the best student in Finance but it
doesn't mean you will make more money than
everybody else.
The best graduating Law
student does not necessarily become the best lawyer. The fact is life requires more than the ability to understand a concept, memorise it and reproduce it in an exam.
School rewards people for their memory. Life rewards people for their imagination. School rewards caution,
life rewards daring. School hails those who
live by the rules. Life exalts those who break
the rules and set new ones.
So do I mean people shouldn't study hard in school? Oh, no,
you should. But don't sacrifice every other
thing on the altar of First Class. Don't limit
yourself to the classroom.
Do something
practical. Take a leadership position.
Start a business and fail. That's a better
Entrepreneurship 101.
Join or start a club.
Contest an election and lose. It will teach
something Political Science 101 will not teach you.
Attend a seminar. Read books outside the
scope of your course.
Go on missions and win a soul for eternal rewards... Do something you believe in!
Think less of becoming
an excellent student but think more of
becoming an excellent person.
Make the world your classroom!

Naija, which way forward with these Ignoramus beings? . .

Same kind of story everytime. I'm tired mehn...

What kind of professional/safety courses are available in Nigeria to boost one's chances of gaining employment as a geologist in the oil and gas industry?

All these Ignoramus human beings!!! If I say something I know I'll be attacked here on account of tribalistic statements!!!! But try and imagine a Nigeria without Ignoramus human beings .

Wish I could address the super Eagles concerning this match!! This is do or die!!!! IF YOU DON'T GET THE BALL, DON'T MISS THE LEG!! If gentleman soccer does not propel us forward please switch over to shoilin soccer!!!! Two red cards plus a win can be managed!!!

When you open your door and invite him

It's been like forever since I had a single like. Please can someone just hit like for absolutely no reason

MOSCOW (AP) -- A Russian soccer coach
who said he would not sign ''dark-skinned
players'' received a five-game ban
Wednesday for racial discrimination.
The punishment is the strongest sanction
for racism handed out to a player or coach
by the Russian Football Union.
Igor Gamula told Russian journalists last
month that FC Rostov had ''enough dark-
skinned players'' and ''we've got six of the
things'' when asked in post-match news
conference about rumors the club would
sign a Cameroon defender.
He also made what he called a ''joke'' about
the Ebola virus.
Gamula, who holds Russian and Ukrainian
nationality, apologized three days later after
Rostov's African players threatened to go on
strike.
The city of Rostov will host World Cup
matches in 2018. source https://m.yahoo.com/w/legobpengine/sports/news/russian-coach-gets-5-game-ban-racist-comments-184401875--sow.html?orig_host_hdr=sports.yahoo.com&.intl=us&.lang=en-US&_device=tablet