Topic: New facial reconstruction of the egyptian mummy "shep-en-Isis"
I'm so sick of kemet!
byTRUTHTEACHER2007

Why is it that so many so-called conscious and Afrocentric people pay
so much attention to Kemet, yet ignore the rest of Africa, especially
the regions where their ancestors came from, which is Central and
Western Africa?

Why is it they can talk to you for days on end about
the blackness of Kemet, yet not be able to name you even one
civilization in West Africa? Or if they can, they have the need to
invent history and claim these people are Egyptian immigrants when
there is absolutely no hard evidence to support such a notion?

Why is it so outrageous to accept the fact that Egypt was only one of
many civilizations and cultures on the African Continent and that
peoples in the other regions had their own unique cultures and
achievements?

Why can't we as people of African descent have just as
much reverence for the ancestors of our own bloodline as we do for
people who are most likely not related to us at all?

Yes, they were fellow Africans, but they were not of our direct bloodline.
Pay homage to your own house first before pat homage to your neighbor's.
Take care of the children of your own house before you try to take care of some other child in the neighborhood.
[/QUOTE]by zarahan- aka Enrique Cardova
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Sure. I've said the same thing for years, and disputed those
who see Kemet as some sort of "central headquarters"
of civilization or advanced culture in Africa. To the contrary,
the opposite seems more appropriate- Africa itself is the "headquarters"
and Egypt is a "branch office" thereof. To rework the title
of Van Sertima's book- "Egypt- Child of Africa," Kemet is is a very
important child to be sure, but ultimately just one of the many
offspring Africa gave birth to.

I agree with many parts of the critique in the video but
would point out that African people do not seem to
be any more obsessed with Egypt compared to white people,
who are the biggest appropriators and users of Kemet's cultural
iconography, art and much else. Many white people are the biggest
hypocrites in this area- they themselves being massively obsessed
with Kemet while presumptuously lecturing black folk bout how they
should "focus" on Nubia and elsewhere, as if only white people
are "qualified" to study and comment on things in the field.
White people even appropriated and consumed the dead flesh
of Egyptian mummies at one time for their medicinal systems.

And black popular culture in the US on a whole is
not that heavy into Kemet. Most cultural linkups focus
on West Africa or East Africa (the Swahili cultural orbit)
not Kemet. Kwanza is an example, as are black baby names.
When the last time you run into some black kid named "Tutankhamen"
compared to the much larger number of "sub-Saharan"
or Islamic origin names? It was not Kareem Amenhotep, but
Kareem Abdul Jabbar, or Malcolm El Shabazz.

In the 1960s the inspiration was mostly West African-
with dashikis and NATURAL "Afro" hair styles not wigs
as in popular Kemet. So-called "black militants" were
not running much to Egypt compared to West Africa-
as Stokely Carmichael, aka Kwame Ture can attest.

Do SOME black people go overboard with Kemet? YEs. Is there
an almost cultish obsession with SOME "Afrocentric" types?
Certainly. But viewed in larger context, let's not overplay
things. White obsession is miles ahead of what black folk are doing.
And Kemet does not really resonate in black popular culture,
compared to West/East African/Islamic influences. Among a small
minority? Sure but overall there does not appear to be an "Kemetic"
movement. Hell its sometimes hard to get some among that small minority
to update their knowledge with modern data. Some are still
preaching Chancellor Williams 1970, or Diop 1964-
good foundational background to be sure with the data
available at the time, but the field has since moved on.
And that plays into the hands of assorted dishonest enemies
who go around acting as of every black student in the country
is a "disciple" of George James circa 1959. My critique of the
bogus strawman book "White Athena" on Amazon makes this very point.
The same critique can be applied to the Arabist hypocrites
desperately trying to "distance" themselves from "anything too African"
when hard data shows that the foundation of Kemet is precisely that
which is "African".
The above being said there is a need to of course learn more
about ALL parts of the continent.
[/QUOTE]by Nodnarb
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Along with the obvious fact that ancient Egypt receives more
mainstream media exposure than other African cultures, I believe it
has a special attraction to "Afrocentric" types because it's perceived
as a major influence on the development of so-called Western
civilization (through the proxies of Greece and then Rome of course).
Not to mention the irony of an advanced civilization thriving in
Africa when most of northern Europe was still at a "tribal" level of
organization. It would be the ultimate rebuttal to the white
supremacist narrative that Africans are naturally less capable of
civilization than Europeans. So that's probably why Egypt is more
contentious territory than, say, Mali or Zimbabwe.
[/QUOTE]by Oshun
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Egypt given lots of attention cause the discoveries and science and
math were the foundation for a lot of progress in those field for
ancient Europe. Much of their ideas are still directly relevant today
in technology, science and mathematics. While we know now by a few
resources that West African civilizations contemporary to Egypt
existed, it's not really known like it is with Egypt what they were
like, let alone what they could've been accomplishin still relevant
today (see Tichitt)
[/QUOTE]by Nodnarb
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I agree with this as well. The African quality of Kush, Mali, or
Zimbabwe doesn't get ignored or denied as much as Egypt's. Instead
it's pretty much taken for granted. So yeah, even people who don't
necessarily gravitate towards Egypt more than other African
civilizations might still find themselves arguing about it more since
it's more contested territory.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XC4s0_IsSc

Topic: New facial reconstruction of the egyptian mummy "shep-en-Isis"
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=010533;p=3


Topic: Ethiopians, Somalis
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=010910

Topic: Kushites were NOT the same as Nubians
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=004208;p=1#000034

Topic: Skin color in the Horn
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=8;t=010788;p=1

Topic: Light skinned ethiopians
http://www.egyptsearch.com/forums/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=15;t=013373;p=1

Mogadishu7:
Somali people are the most attractive people in the whole Africa continent without a doubt.


Someone who has never seen the beauty of Somali women before may be amazed at their extraordinary features at first sight.

More non-sense incorrect talk.

alanmwene:

What wrong with being black?Black is color like any other color and it is the most beautiful color of skin.The funny thing is that,it is always Africans who are into this obsession with light skin.When you date a white girl she never care whether you are dark-skinned or light-skinned.Actually they prefer very dark-skinned Africans!But black boys and girls are the most light-skin obsessed people in the world.It boils down to insecurities:They don't feel comfortable with their own skin!
The fulanis who are light-skinned are the ones who are descendants of arabs.The same goes for Somalis coz the original Somalis are among the darkest people you can get in Africa.

Fulanis could be light skin and not have admixture from arabs.
Oh and their are dark skin arabs too.

Then there is this.
quote-
African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by
DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. The peoples of the Nile Valley
quote-
Simplistic "race percentage" models are dubious in Africa which has
the highest genetic diversity in the world. That diversity proceeded
from deeper sub-Saharan Africa, to East and N.E. Africa, then to the
rest of the globe. All other populations, including Europeans and
"Middle easterners" carry this diversity which was built into Africa
to begin with. Africans thus don't need any "race mix" to look
different. Their diversity is built-in and supplied the whole globe.
Any returnees or "backflow" to Africa looked like Africans, including
Europeans. (Brace 2005, Hanihara 1996, Holliday 2003).
and quote-
African people have a range of physical variation and don't need
inspiration or mixes from cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or
Asiatics to explain why. Features like narrow noses, thin lips, height
etc are all indigenous to Africa. Africa has both the highest
phenotypic diversity and the highest genetic diversity in the world
and don’t need cold-climate/light skin inspiration for that
established fact. All cold-climate/light skinned Europeans and
Asiatics are SUBSETS of original African diversity. Modern DNA studies
find even though some African peoples look different, they are
genetically related through the PN2 transition clade of the
Y-chromosome. Thus light-skinned African Libyans and dark-skinned
Zulus are all genetically related Africans, even though they don't
look exactly the same. (Keita 2004; Tishkoff 2002, Ely et al, 2006,
Stevanovitch 2004)

Somalia18:


You negroids are ex slaves.

White men raped your grandmothers.

You lot are low life slaves.

Ugly black bantu people with wide nose, thick lips , hard fufu hair

This is non-sense incorrect talk.
Oh not every woman who waa slave was raped.
For example in the u.s. while large numer was raped it was a minority,a large minority but still minority.

Somalia007:
I don't mean to be racist. But the Horners such as Amahara's, Tigre, Somali, Afar, Oromo, Beja, Nubians are not Negro at all. We don't even speak Niger-congo langauge, our langauge family is in the same classification as Arabic, Hebrew, and Berber.

Many Afrocentrics will talk about Egypt or the Horn before they even talk about their West African ancestry. The only history that Horners had with Bantus, is enslaving them. It was not untill the Italians outlawed Slavery in Ethiopia and Somalia in the 1930's that Bantus were freed.

If Afrocentrics want to claim anyone in Africa why don't they claim North Africas (they already claim ancient Egypt as Black). If they want to claim anyone with Brown skin, why don't they claim Indians?


How do you feel about this?

All these people above are black/afrociod.
Oh and nubians are not horners.

The kingdom of kush
Dental trait analysis of fossils dating from the Meroitic period in Semna, in northern Nubia near Egypt, found that they displayed traits similar to those of populations inhabiting the Nile, Horn of Africa, and Maghreb. Traits from mesolithic and southern Nubia around Meroe however indicated a closer affinity with other sub-Saharan dental records. It is indicative of a north–south gradient along the Nile river.[28]
Source wikipedia,

By the way other believe or say that kushites and nubians noba look more nilotics then horn of african types.keep in mind nubians art varied.
Some of art look more horn of africans and some look more nilotic etc.. So saying most of it look like horn of africa types is not correct.


Here is another view on what they look like.
Kandakes of Kush
Nilotic quote-
The Kasu and the Nubae (Nubians) were very much likely similar to populations in Darfur today, minus the recent Arab admixture that reach Darfur as well in the last 400 years.Kush was an empire and Nilotics played some role -- unless the depictions are somehow wrong and should (strangely) only be dismissed in relation to this specific population.

Here's what we know:
The Nubians have their origins in Darfur and like Darfurian populations, they are a composite of Nilotic and indigenous North African ancestry -- marked by E-M35 lineages; Nubians experienced recent Eurasian introgression -- especially during the Arab expansion into Sudan; the specific Kulubnarti population are not ancestral to modern Nubians and have entirely different admixture composites, from a different admixture event.
I don't know why you want to dismiss the genetic studies showing that the Nubians were the products of recent admixture, and why you want to present them as having always been Beja-like, when these studies say otherwise.
E1b1b is African. What great authority says otherwise?
Do you honestly believe that the Kasu (Kush), the Nubians and other groups (minus the Beja) were more similar to Cushitic populations in the Horn rather than other Saharan populations in Darfur prior to the Arab expansion?
Nilotics and Saharans are separate but related groups, and they dominated Sudan; it wasn't the Beja type people.
source somalispot.com/threads/kandakes-of-kush.120012/page-2

Mace quote-
Keep in mind that some nubians do not have euro-asian dna or mixed with other races etc.. THere are nubians chad and in darfur and hill nubians by the way in the noba hills and they do not have outside admixture from other races. Even some in nile valley as well do not have any other race admixture.

OfoIgbo:


No they are not.

It is estimated that over 60% of AA have Igbo blood in them.

Even looks-wise, AA resemble Igbos more than they resemble Ghanaians and Gambians.
I am aware that there is also some European DNA in AAs which will more than likely, make Ghanaians and Gambians to start assuming Igbo looks, but the over 60% Igbo DNA in AA remains a very strong factor.

It clear that african americans look like the africans they come from.Blacks or African blacks are the most diverse looking folks on the planet anyway.

The average admixture rate for african americans looking at the some studies above is lower then 20%,it is around 12%,and i have seen studies that said the average was 10% and others say 15 to 17% on average depending on who is doing the study,so clearly the admixture study varies,but 12% to 10% is more accurate to me.I just wanted to mention this or be clear about this,because from what i read recently and got from some dna experts is that some african americans by the way do not have european admixture at all,and for those that do, the admixture levels on average is lower then folks think looking at the study above, just saying.Most african americans do not have any form of native american dna by the way looking at that study.

​Not all african americans have european dna.It's about 80's or less.If you include other black americans it's even less than that.Most other black americans who are not african american by the way are unmixed blacks.Anyway some folks believe most ethnic african americans do not have any european dna at all and most really unmixed blacks.
Note-in fantasy superhero comics like dc,marvel etc..most african/black americans and most whites americans are unmixed anyway.Keep mind those are alternate universe where in dc for example earth 2 south africa was free earlier and in one alternate universe in marvel for example there is a earth that is still all black.

Most african americans have some form european admixture(most do not have european admixture in comics,cartoons and characters that are played in live action movies and shows however).
There are questions if most have some form of admixture or not in real life(our universe).Most that have admixture is not a huge admixture anyway(so the recent european admixture had no impact on the phenotype of most african americans) and they look or most look like the ethnic groups they come from in africa anyway.
Africans vary from all types of looks.In africa you could see africans(depending on the ethnic group and individuals) that look more like african americans.I should say african americans look more like the africans they come from.
Africans have the most diverse look on earth from phenotype to skin tone and size..Some folks forget that.
There are unmixed black africans with varied skin tones and some are brown skin to light skin who are unmixed.
Note-when i say european admixture,i am talking from those that look white.Not from first pre-historic europeans were originally black anyway since they further you go back the only humans on earth were black africans.

This was written from someone else.
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The facial composites look well within the range of what can be seen
among African-Americans and Nigerians.
Not even a 10% white nordic influence would affect
affect any average.
Any type of admixture is only noticeable at the >25% range.

So it is not 20%
So it seems that 25% and up recent european admixture is needed to change the phenotype of blacks,but not always of course.Of course unmixed blacks with more of a european look it would be the same for them too.

African people have a range of physical variation and don't need any inspiration or mixes from cold-climate/light skinned Europeans or Asiatics to explain why. Features like narrow noses, thin lips, height etc are all indigenous to Africa. Africa has both the highest phenotypic diversity and the highest genetic diversity in the world and don’t need cold-climate/light skin inspiration for that established fact. All cold-climate/light skinned Europeans and Asiatics are SUBSETS of original African diversity.
(Keita 2004; Tishkoff 2002, Ely et al, 2006, Stevanovitch 2004)

African peoples are the most diverse in the world whether analyzed by DNA or skeletal or cranial methods. (Keita 1996;Rethelford, 2001; Bianchi 2004, Yurco 1989; Godde 2009)

Note-in superhero sci-fi- fantasy comics most african americans are unmixed blacks, racism is less then in the real world and alot more blacks live in north africa then they do in the real world but those are different universes,with alot of different history,more advance technological achievements etc..
Of course writers jobs is to focus on superhero stories and not bring in to much real world stories,politics,dna stuff etc.. in comics.Besides the comic industry and many of the characters were created before most folks knew anything about dna etc..,so writers in the past and today still keep simple as possible when it comes to background, history etc..
Of course alot of blacks still live in north africa today,they just the not majority anymore like they were in the past and at one time they were the only population in north africa.

Alot of white americans have recent african admixture and some have native american/asian.I wonder why this not mention often.Hmmm.
Most or close to a majority of white americans would have admixture as well if you add latino/hispanic white americans but if it is over 50% of white american(including latinos) it will be barely a majority.
I read recently most do have outside other race admixture.
Even in comics most white americans do not have admixture or not even close to a majority even if most do real life.

For the african americans that do have admixture the admixture rate is low on average like 10 to 18% i think.
Or 10 to 12 /14%.
So it is clear that european dna did not change phenotype or skin tone for the average african american.For european dna to change phenotype of blacks it must be 25% european dna or more and sometimes that not enough.

DC-Africana-Appreciation-Vol-2
https://community.cbr.com/showthread.php?137180-DC-Africana-Appreciation-Vol-2/page15


Note-most northern nigerians are unmixed blacks by the way or let me put it this way, most do not have admixture from other races.

Outstrip: LOL. No. I am saying that the look is more pronounced in her mother. It might just be in her genes. There are some native americans that could pass for asians. Maybe that is why you look at Brandy and see blasian

I DISAGREE.
I don't see any native american features in brandy's mother or brandy.They look pure black.
Black come in varied features.Just look at the nigerian pics above.
BYE.

I don't see any native america features in brandy's mother or brandy.They look pure black.

I think you are misinformed.The nile valley faiths have written text for thier religions.Ancient egypt has written scriptures,so do the nubian,the axumites,and i think berber as well.
later african culture too like yoruba,and some others but those are more recent or early modern.

Here is one example.

http://wildhunt.org/2008/01/yoruba-sacred-texts.html

The land of saba in yemen had text of course they are black,of course southwest asia is not africa but folks living there were blacks and some still are today and that land is close to africa.
Coptic sudanese,nubians,ethiopians and some other older christians had/have writtn text.So do african Islam.coptic christian and african islam is a traditional african religion.
It true that is not has native but it's been in africa for along time and it's africanized,so it's traditional.

in is a reply to another thread that was close,if someone could post my reply that will be find. i wanted to correct BigSis (f)

from this topic
How Are Interracial Relationships Viewed In Nigeria?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-54935.0.html


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A half caste in the states is called a half breed, a mut, a mongrel, which means someone who isn't a pure bred. The political correct term to someone's face is biracial/mixed. To use any of these terms is considred an insult. It is funny the terms we come up with for things that have existed for ages. Black Americans have been mixed for almost 400 years, yet we are well aware that we are the descendents of Africans. You can be high, high yellow to blue black in black American society.

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there is some recent evidencefrom dna test that most black americans do not have any admixture with other races,and even if most do,it's not all.second,on the census,africans,those from the islands ect, are included in the black american census,so i think you mean african americans,and even some are not mixed either,maybe most but not all.