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fxexperts:
Only a kid born less than 20 years ago, from 2000 to dat,e will say those refineries never worked. Maybe you should just ask your father if those refineries ever worked or not. Because I still remember in those days when I used to wait for tankers from the refinery to buy kerosine and petrol, I am sure you also do not know what Kerosine is, when it was used by the majority of Nigerians to cook, you were not born then. I never told you the refineries are still working right now. It is a known practice worldwide that any facilities like a refinery or gas processing facilities, built worldwide must be maintained at most after 20 years after they have been commissioned. Or are you expecting the refineries to last forever, typical African mentality, when your leaders refused to maintain them, what do you expect? All the money the FG budgeted for maintenance is siphoned by the greedy workers there. What did you expect? But I am telling you that the Refineries worked and refined fuel and others after they were handed over to us by the Western companies, but the Ajaokuta steel never worked, even for one hour, after it was handed over to us. Like I said earlier, if you want to hide anything from an African man, just put it in a book. Please stop spreading this ignorance everywhere you go. Google is your friend, so you can stay informed.

They don't work....simple.

And all the money being budgeted for maintaining and upgrade has failed to make them work so stop lying here....the country has been importing fuel and paying subsidies for as long as it was in existence.....all these your stories doesn't change they fact that they don't work and won't work.

Tareq1105:
You're very funny. My father is late and I didn't even care about what he left. I'm a full grown man with family of 4 children (1 medical doctor, 1 medical lab scientist, 1 lawyer and 1 computer scientist) and any moment from now, I will be a grandpa.

So, the issue of 100k is inconsequential. Don't think everyone here is on 30k data as you guys always claim.

Someone like me just detest the way you guys like to force your choice on others.

See lies.....if you had such learned children and you yourself is learned enough you wouldn't call what he did "exercise in futility".....so go find whom to throw those lies to. .

Moveittothem:
There is a scientific theory called The Black Sea Flood (7,600 years ago)
At the end of the last Ice Age, sea levels rose globally.
Geological evidence suggests the water level rose hundreds of feet and submerged large inhabited areas.
For people living there, it could be perceived as the whole world flooding, because their “world” was limited to what they could see

The above is what I said earlier.

But have you thought it from the angle that they didn't explain that part well because of their limited knowledge of geography and geology?

You still haven't explained anything yet..... because your write up is suggesting the author of the verse in the Bible (which is assumably inspired by the Lord) was lying.

The biblical event was premeditated, prewarmed and caused to happened and it was said to kill every living land Animal except for those in the ark.....which means that those people you're talking about in other places in the world wouldn't have survived to tell the story...only the chosen one's in the ark could've told the story.

So I ask again for the last damn time...... explain that flood event Scientifically or accept that you've lied.

Moveittothem:
Lol, relax, I was once like you, or even worse.

There is a scientific theory called The Black Sea Flood (7,600 years ago)
At the end of the last Ice Age, sea levels rose globally.
Geological evidence suggests the water level rose hundreds of feet and submerged large inhabited areas.
For people living there, it could be perceived as the whole world flooding, because their “world” was limited to what they could see.

Flood Myths Worldwide Point to a Shared Human Memory.
More than 200 cultures have flood myths.
Mesopotamian, Greek, Chinese, Native American, African, Indian, etc..

Flood myths by diversified cultures/people doesn't verify the Flood event in the Bible.....The flood event was premeditated,prewarmed caused to happen by the Lord and only those who were in the ark were saved (both humans and Animals)....The Flood was worldwide according to the Bible and every land Animal that wasn't in the ark died. That's what I asked you to explain not to justify the belief in comparism to that of others....I already know it was a belief and I care less if it's spread across different cultures and religions...floods are normal thing that happened across different locations and different quantities globally.

So I repeat again explain the flood event Scientifically because as far as science is concerned as at now, such thing couldn't have happened in history.

Moveittothem:
I haven't felt or shown any signs of emotions so far, you misjudged anything that make you feel I responded emotionally, I'm way too far from that.

The book of Genesis was written by Moses, he wrote about the Noah's ark.

Guess what?
That story had existed for over 2000 years before Moses's time. I mean, 2000-2100 BC.

Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees, a city in ancient Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq), home to the Sumerians who told stories like the Epic of Gilgamesh, including a great flood.

Growing up in this culture,
Abraham likely heard these tales and carried them with him as he moved and started his family.
Over generations, these stories were passed down, evolving into the Hebrew traditions recorded in the Bible, including the story of Noah and the Ark, preserving the memory of Mesopotamian cultural heritage within his lineage.

The people that wrote it weren't there when it happened to know exactly happened, they passed down the story for thousands of years, until Moses added it to the Hebrew Bible.

They doesn't mean religion conflicts with science, science explains religion better.

Okay explain that flood event Scientifically let's see the depth of this madness you're insisting on. .

fxexperts:
OO thank God you have used that dumb brain to ask Google for once. Now let me tell you, the Egyptian Nuclear power plant has not worked yet, rather it is set to be completed in 2028 that over 3 years from now, a lot can happen before then, and if they do not abandon it before it also still may not work. They started the plant since 2022. And they have set over 6 years to complete just one plant, which may not start operation even after 2035 or may never work at all, like the Ajaokuta steel, and nothing they can do. Like a building contractor, they are not doing us any favour; rather, we are the ones doing them the favour by giving them contracts, which we are going to pay them heavily for to build these plants for us. I can also tell you for a fact that the west have signed deals and is currently building more Nuclear power plants in Africa than Russia and China. so i repeta again, you sounded more like they are helping us build these plants as if they are doing it for free. But the West is currently helping more Africans countries to build the same Nuclear power plants as even your so-called saviour, Russia. So, where is your argument here? Let me play a scenerio where you came to me to build a car for you based on i am a car manufacturer and i built the car for you after you paid me money to do so i drove the car to your house and gave you the key, you dorve the car for like five years and the engine knock because you didnot maintain the car properly by changing the oil regularly that is the case of Nigerian Refineries and the case where i hired a truck and shipped the car to your house and from that day onward you cannot drive the car not even for a single miles you keep calling different mechanics to try and fix the car all to no avail and you are here saying that the second car dealer whose car never started for once is the better deal. Africans really need to have their head check. Maybe you are a Genz but let me tell you those refineries used to work and they are dead now all because of the Nigerian culture of mismangement and co, but you see that Ajaokuta stell from the day they built it till date it has not proceed a single iron rod.

Okay western bot.... I've heard you.

Only someone who isn't Nigeria would claim that those scraps gulping billions always have worked or are working.....Lol. .

Go find whom you can easily use ur "deceit" on.....those scraps haven't worked one bit and Russia has always been a friend to Africa.

Why is it that this guys want to use every damn opportunity to shove their rubbish down others throats?.

Moveittothem:
There is no documentation on the Bible that states, or suggests that the Earth is 6,000 years old.
it was in the 1600s that a bishop proposed it, and was entitled to his opinion.

Many theologians disagree with that. What the bishop said it's not a fact, it was entirely his personal opinion. Don't attach it to the Bible.

I stated this earlier, but you still wanted to believe in your propaganda, lol.
You are not seeking the truth, you just don't want to believe.
You can choose not to believe, but it doesn't mean you should associate personal opinion of a medieval bishop with the Bible.

I repeat, Bible doesn't clash with science.

Unless you bring up propaganda and associate it with the Bible, then it may conflict.
It's not written anywhere in the Bible that the Earth is 6,000 years old.
When the City of UR, the hometown of Abraham, which was in modern day Iraq has existed for more than 7,000 years?

When Egypt has existed for more than 7,000 years?

It's either you don't understand the Bible or that you don't understand science, if you understand the both, you can unify them effortlessly. But when you lock up your mind, you can't understand it.

According to the history you said Bible documented, tell me the number of years that passed between Adam to Noah?

Finally.... adding emotions to arguments which is a traits akin to y'all Abrahamic religious individuals have started to show gradually as expected..... .

Anyways you can try to twist fact all you want.... Scientifically the earth is millions-billions of years old but it isn't up to millions of years biblically....the Flood and the story of Noah can hardly be proven Scientifically due to different reasons which include uniqueness of certain animals to certain continents, countries and/or locations etc.

Anyone being honest knows that basic scientific logic doesn't go hand in hand with most religion as you claim.

If we start breaking down biblical events and questioning them Scientifically....Genesis alone will expose a lot without even needing to go to Exodus.

fxexperts:
Oboy, you people are so easily deceived in this shithole continent, please abeg name the nuclear power plant that Russia built in Africa abeg. You all just heard a lie, and you all decided to run with it. No wonder they say if you want to hide something from a black man, put it in a book, because blacks do not read. At least a simple Google search would have helped you in this case. Russia has never built any nuclear power plant in any African country. I wanted us to limit this conversation to Nigeria, but you decided to include other African countries. The only African country with a nuclear power plant is South Africa, and it was built for them by a French company called Framatome, not Russia. You see how you people castigate your helpers and favor the enemy, the one who has not even a finger to help you people before all because of propaganda and lies.
Please learn to ask for proof before you support and believe anybody. Now you are talking about military hardware i will agree with you on that, because all the AK47 and 49 and greenade launchers been used in Africa for terrorist belongs to Russia so the only thing Russia can do for Africa is to help them get ready for war, what about building something that will help their econmony like the Ajaokuta steel plant, but no it never worked from day one till date, hence our steel industries collapsed from day one. If it were the West that built it, it would have worked, and later we can use our mismanagement to destroy it, at least then it will not be their fault anymore. All the Govt refineries we had were built by Western companies at least they worked for years before we used mismanagement to run it down. NLNG was also built by Western companies, and it is still being managed in partnership with the Nigerian government and Shell and co today, which is why it is still very profitable to date.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koeberg_Nuclear_Power_Station

See craze man talking about hiding stuffs in books.... Lmao🤣.

Russia built Nuclear power plant in Egypt and has signed contract with other African countries to build more.

Which refineries are working.....damn this deceit of a thing has really gotten into you just like the master that pay you to spread propaganda here..... refineries that have been gulping billions upon billions are haven't been working.....shake that ur head small to ensure that the brain is still inside abeg. .

Moveittothem:
The Bible does not state that the world is 6,000 years old. That number comes from human calculations, especially Bishop Ussher in the 1600s, who added up biblical genealogies.
These genealogies are not precise chronological records, so the 6,000 year figure is interpretation, not scripture. Many modern Bible scholars accept that the Earth is far older based on science and the nature of biblical genealogies.
No verse in the Bible highlights the age of the earth.
Georges Lemaitre
Father of the Big Bang theory,
Was a Catholic priest and a professor of physics.
He saw no conflict between God and cosmology.

Owen Gingerich, Harvard astrophysicist and cosmologist.
Believes the universe shows signs of design.

William Lane Craig
Not a scientist by profession but works deeply with cosmology in philosophy of physics.
Argues scientifically for a creator.

John Polkinghorne, Quantum physicist, Cambridge professor.
Became a theologian; believed in God.

There is no way you would understand science, and not believe in a creator.
Many nairaland atheists are baby atheists, they depended on scientific discoveries to become an atheist, but many of them doesn't it even understand it like they think.

There is no conflict between science and religion, bring up another conflict let me debunk it.
I was once like you around 2016-2017, but I didn't stop there.

Lol..... you're naming Individual beliefs to discredit what I said....the Bible documented history (assumably from when this very world was created) till date and according to that documentation, the earth is 6000+yrs....use the Bible to show otherwise not individual belief system and claims.

If you believe that the Biblical belief system doesn't clash with scientific findings then that "ur own opinion" the written words are clear and there are a lot of clashes.

Dance if you wan dance....at least you're better than that vegetable in Abj.

Lawalemi:
Your eye go soon clear. Nature has a way of dealing with everybody

And why should nature deal with him for wanting to be single?.

Heffalump:
You are about to enter a covenant of endless misery without the possibility of return. What business has light with darkness? You know the truth and still want us to preach to you about it. Evil covenant is dangling on your head.

This is the exact mistake some men made and it shattered their destiny forever. The woman you married has a long way of influencing your success and happiness in life. If your mind is in doubt, please STOP any further action and bolt away before it's too late.

They're asking for logical answers to logical questions and you're talking like someone high on colos that's if you're not even high presently.

mirrael68:
Thank you brother for this view. God does not desire the death of the wicked otherwise he would have sent warrior angels or fire from heaven to devour them. For us to live is Christ and to die ( in Him) is gain. Though we are pained by their gruesome killings and we ask for a complete stop, justice and restoration, those who were killed are now with Jesus. They won. We believe even those dead, are now praying for these Jihadists to come to the knowledge of the Truth in Christ Jesus.

Abeg shake ur head make e no be say your brain no day inside again ooo.... because which kind mumuness be this abeg?. .

ajalawole:
let support our military for once bro. How many terrorist body do you want them to snap and send. Just days ago am even asking my self if those terrorist are buried after being killed or left in the thick forest for wild animals or vultures to fast on. I have friends at the warfront and what they send to me you can't imagine.

First tell them to earn the trust(which they've lost) of the people before anything else.....the people doubting them didn't just wake up and decided to start doing that.... one thing led to the other.

Moveittothem:
I'm a Christian, and there is no conflict between scientific possibilities and Christianity.
It's just that many people aren't able to reconcile them because of their limited understanding of science.
Firstly, Christianity is a way of life and not a handbook for the fundamental aspect of nature. It's just like comparing your physics textbook to your History book and constitution.

Science is like your physics textbook, while bible is like our History and constitution merged together, one doesn't disprove the other, they can compliment each other to make us live a better life.
While the constitution guides our morality, Physics makes us understand our environment better for our good, no conflict.

That the Bible didn't talk about time travel and genetic engineering doesn't mean it's against it.
God is a scientist.

Nope.....you're wrong.... science does disapprove to Bible to some extent.

For instance...this world is millions-billions of years old scientific but around 6000+ yrs old biblically so which do you stand with if you're a scientist and also a dedicated believer?. .

fxexperts:
What proof do you have that Russia has always been a good neighbour? I keep saying it, most of you guys lack simple logical reasoning. Now, tell me one infrastructure that Russia has built in Nigeria that is making you claim they built infrastructure here, unlike the West. The Ajaokuta steel they did for us never worked; from day one till today, it became a conduit pipe for siphoning our wealth through corruption. The satellite we paid heavily to them heavily to launch for us, where is the satellite today? We never heard anything about it today. So just mention one, abeg. But I can count a thousand the westerners have built here. And another lie you just told here that Russia does not allow our politicians to launder money over there, tell me you are joking with that statement. Russia is one country in the world if you want to steal money without a trace, even from the USA's prying eyes, just go through Russia. If any of your presidents steal the entire wealth of your country and dumb it in Russia, even if you have all the proof in the world, the Russian government will never lift an eyebrow. But at least the West has assisted us sometimes in recovering loot from Africa. Has Russia even assisted in that regard? Think of the Abacha loot.

Lol....see who's calling another illogical.

Where did I say that Russia doesn't allow your presidents to steal and drop there?.....if you can't read and comprehend appropriately ask questions instead of spewing gibberish.

Now back to your first statement(s).....go and ask your dumb leaders and stop blaming Russia.... imagine someone who is in Nigeria asking why what Russia built isn't working....maybe you're even a foreign bot paid to spread propaganda here because if you're truly a Nigerian that grew up here you won't be asking those questions.

Russia has shared and is willing to share advanced tech to others....they helped China built her first Aircraft carrier something the west will never do..... they've helped a lot of countries even in Africa here build Nuclear power stations something the west will never do.....show me any where that isn't within them (the west) that they built infrastructures like Nuclear power stations,Steel processing plants,Hardcore military wares like aircraft carriers etc for another country.

And also I'd like you to list those many things the west have done that's you're talking about and also indicate if Russia would've hesitated to help if contacted. .

Moveittothem:
why are we not currently seeing time travellers from the future, does it mean we aren't going to be able to build it?
Could it mean it's not something we can experience in this timeline or reality? I mean our current 3D, since our current biology is limited to space and time?

Leave Abrahamic religion, the concept of God is bigger than any religion.

Time travel remains a possibility as human knowledge/science has proven to increase with time.

Good thing you're of the belief that God is bigger than religion and you've also clarified that you're not a believer of one of those Abrahamic religion because that was what I wanted to clarify..... believing in such religion doesn't go hand in hand with such deep scientific possibilities like transfer of consciousness ,Time travel,DNA modification et al you know.

NwaliE01:
I shared my testimony for people that are trusting and waiting on God for theirs.

Calling me a propandist is so absurd and inhumane.

I deserve an apology from you.

Lol... testimony indeed.

And if not propaganda what do you mean by "If you're not in Shiloh, you're doing yourself a dis-service" ?. .

Maryiah:
U were answered correctly hedslama

Where is the answer?.....and what is "hedslama"?....Lol.

Arostar2023:
You know nothing about catholism my dear friend. How does veneration of Mary and the saints, and many other practices and beliefs of the Catholic correlate with what Protestants believe? I am not saying that Catholics are hellbound or anything like that. If it denominations doesn't matter, what stopped the lady from joining the man in his church?

Same thing that stopped him from joining hers.

When the so called democracy isn't working or it's as good as some sort of military dictatorship what else do you expect?.

Thanks to bad leadership.....let the leaders loyal to foreign powers keep up they'll soon learn the hard way.

IamaNigerianGuy:
The reason for this ban is because the globalists and proponents of the New World Order are losing the information war.
People have clocked that Covid pandemic was a scam, mRNA vaccines are harmful, two-minute cities are a precursor to serfdom and organizations like the WEF want to institute slavery of mankind and usher in a one World Government.
Social media exposes these lies, and this is why every political and economic leader takes the opportunity to condemn free speech whenever they can.

The ban is meant to achieve two things :
1. Prevent "rebellious" and independent ideas from reaching young people and so create a new generation of NPC's
2. Test whether widespread censorship will be accepted by the masses.

Australia is only the testing ground. Other nations will follow soon unless the people of the world resist.

What has restricting kids from what they weren't supposed to be exposed to in the first place got to do with all what you've typed above?. .

Bukola94:
and some people will still be arguing if this people worship satan or believe in Illuminati cult. I have known since is wrestling years that he will later belong to gain more fame, I like him. Stupid question or jamb question ambassadors, Undertaker, Rock, Triple H and many wrestlers and actors or singers belong to Illuminati cult. Once u are not ready to join, belong and worship the devil, they won't recognise you and you may not get the fame or awards. Yes some work hard for it and spent a lot of money to be...

Source...."trust me bro"....shake ur head to confirm if ur brain is still in there.

EvangelistChuks:
It's only the Blessings of God that doesn't have sorrow attached to it; only the Blessings that emanates from Jesus.

Another thread for brainwashed conspiracy theorists to start spewing the gibberish.

Lanruze:
I would make a compassionate plea for Nigerians to stop all these fake news, inflammatory remarks & negative reviews about Nigeria because we don't like Bola Ahmed Tinubu.

I may be a die-hard critic of the PBAT led Administration and it reflects on my post especially on Nairaland. However, it seems some Nigerian residents just want Nigeria to fail by all means.

Haba !

Unfortunately for you it would seem that the country has "failed" already and no amount of whitewashing can change that.

fxexperts:
Really so you are happy now to slave for the Russians or Chinese? Have you ever been to these countries before in your life or have you ever had dealings with any of these countrymen, Russians, Chinese, Americans, and co in your life before? Only when you do then will you understand why people like us do not like Russians or China. But babies like you are ready to sell Africa into the slave trade the second time. What a shame.

Firstly show me where I mentioned China in my post....China and Russia are two different countries so if you're lumping them together that's your problem and not mine.

Back to the topic....as far as Africa is concerned from the past to the present Russia has always been good to the continent and helps better (without a lot of draining strings attached) than the west....they didn't join to share Africa in Berlin, they didn't enslave Africans...they were always willing to build infrastructures here unlike the west who would rather they move the raw materials and process it in their country, triple the price then bring it back here....they don't provide a safe haven for corrupt politicians to loot and keep.

So don't dare compare Russia hospitality and help towards Africa to that of the west.....only those who can't easily see through deceits see the west as some sort of saviours because they're very good at that kind of game.

Maryiah:
Only u mumuuuyyll

Dodge the question... typical of liar and swindlers.... Humanity is waking up to all these deceit and it's just a matter of time before it could become a thing of the past.

NwaliE01:
Propaganda for what?

What do I stand to gain from you?

The question should be what do you stand to gain from your propaganda and you already know the answer.

Moveittothem:
Firstly, when someone believes in something, the burden of prove doesn't lie upon them. Because to believe is to accept the existence of something without empirical evidence.
So you can't ask a believer to give you evidence.

Secondly, Time travel doesn't conflict with the concept of God. As a matter of fact, it amplifies it.
We actually time travel in other realities, such as in our dreams.

In our dreams, we can go back in time, be in the present, and even go into the future. But it's limited.
Some people can see an event that will happen in January through their dream, they would live it first in their dream. it means they travelled into the future, they only difference is that they can't do so when they wake up in real life. God allow people travel into the future through dreams.
If humans develops a technology that can allow us time travel, it would even make us understand the concept of God better.

The Abrahamic religion you cited isn't about describing the fundamental aspect of God, it was more about history, laws, what and what not to do.
There is more to God, than the history of middle eastern ancestors and the laws given to them.

You can ask for evidence about beliefs that aren't default....for instance no human was born with certain religious beliefs by default they were thought and if they declare that what they were thought is the "absolute truth" then there is a burden to provide evidence/proofs to back such claims.

Also, prophetic abilities and/or the ability to see revelations (past or future) has been in existence for a long as humanity and can hardly be put in the same category as the scientific time travel we're talking about here..... Scientific time travels entails humans using their knowledge to build a device that can take them at will to any timeline and ot course to could change anything in that timeline at will which will in essence make anyone of those who wield such tool "godlike".

And also..... it would seems like you're not a believer of Abrahamic religions then because if you do then you should know better than to believe in time travel.