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FreeStuffsNG:
Ghanaian cedi is the worst to compare with any currency and it shows that the reporter had no clue on the true value of new cedis after Ghana knocked off 4 zeros in 2007 redenomination and the new cedis devalued almost 20 times since 2007!

1 naira today is worth almost 1million old Ghanaian cedi!

If Ghana likes, it can keep deceiving itself or/and keep deceiving the ignoramus gbegbendus here on nairaland and unpatriotic elements feasting on a false report.

Naira is far ahead of the Ghanaian cedi and I thank late President Yardua for not falling for the nonsense redenomination attempt by then CBN Governor, Prof Soludo.

If Soludo had succeeded, we would have become another Ghana hyping a beaten near-worthless currency.

Which one is old Ghanaian cedi....are ur brainz functioning at all....are you trying to say that 1naira has 1m cedi purchasing power or what?......because no matter how a currency is doctored...the purchase power will expose it.

TenQ:
Read the verse again. There were
1. Two sets of people ( the Muslims and The Jews, Christians with Sabians )
2. Four groups mentioned all in the past tense ( the Muslims, the Jews, Christians with Sabians )

Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed (Muslims)
and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

The categories that will neither Fear nor Grieve and have their Reward with Allah
1. Those who believe (Muslims)
2. AND the Jews
3. OR Christians
4. OR Sabians
5. Whoever believed in Allah AND the Last day and did Righteousness



What is the meaning of AND as used in the verse?

So, my question again!
IF those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise, what are they now in the present tense?
*If according to you, the Jews, Christians and Sabians eventually became Muslims in the present.





Islam is always problematic anyhow you look at it!
SMH!

What's so hard to understand there.

Indeed all those who believed (Muslims) AND those who "were" not those who are ooo....from the other mentioned religion will be eligible for paradise.

Ur categories is wrong as well.
-those who believed(Muslims)
-AND those who "WERE" in the other religions.
-And the Final nail in the coffin still layed emphasis of the very first point(believing in their god and the last days).


Since the word "Were" was attached to them in the verse....it means that they are Muslims in the present according to the verse if not....the word "Are" is what should be attached to them.

The other Abrahamic religion u believe in is also problematic.....I've seen tons of verses that can be twisted to serve Negative purposes and also some contradictory ones as well.

To make things clear....1salm just like Christianity believes that what they preach is the only way to eternal life....anything else isn't it to both of them.

TenQ:
This was why I asked you the question

So those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise!?


Does it even make sense?
Those who were Muslims....!

So, what are they now in the present tense?

Lol....isn't the verse you quoted still there. .

After the "were" word....it made specific mentions of some religion and 1slam wasn't among....so what's your point?.

He should be investigated...he might be one of those giving Intel's to terrorists and compromising the efforts of the armed forces.

TenQ:
So those who WERE Muslims (those who believe ) will also make paradise!?

Did you even read any Islamic Tafsir on this verse before commenting?

SMH!

What does the word "Were" mean to start with?. .... isn't it a past tense?.

TenQ:
Why are you changing the WERE to IS?
Stick with the grammar


So, you are even ignorant of the religion of Islam.

Have a nice night!

"Were" indicates past tense.

Those who were something are no longer that thing at the point of making such statement.

Telling me I know nothing about 1slam doesn't mean you know any better than me as regards that topic. .

TenQ:
So, can you please explain how those who WERE Moslems and Jews and Sabians and Christians were going to paradise because
BEFORE Islam, The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise?
2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise?
3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise?



WERE is not the same as IS sir.
If you convert to Islam you CEASE to be a Christian or Jew or Sabians.


So. Allah should just have said,

Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who are Muslims and believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

It seems my Qur'an is better than that of Mohammed. Is the above not a representation of what you wish Allah say? Is it not a clear speech devoid of conjured re-interpretations?


Please go ahead, no one is stopping you.

But before then, answer my questions.
1. Can you tell me why a just Allah could send Muslim babies to hell?
2. If this is TRUE, how do you know that you are not on the way to hell yourself?
3. Why would Allah first send Muslims to Hell before removing them

Anyone who converts before their death is fit for paradise.....simple as that...I don't know what else you want me to tell you.

As for the questions....it just seems like you're trying to fit a round peg in a square hole.....I never made any claims about their god being a god of Justice....the god they preach isn't much different from the one you're preaching and I don't believe either to be the true nature of God as we can see in his Nature and His creation.

TenQ:
So, you've suddenly changed your mind about the use of "WERE" by Allah.!?

Tell me, how would
1. The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise?
2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise?
3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise?



It is understandable if humans have contradictions or even errors but can Allah make contradictions and Errors?

I am just showing you from your own religious books how messed up Islam is. Do you admit that Islam is problematic?

Let's look at the scripture you brought up.

Rev 20:11-13:
"And I saw a great white throne, and Him sitting on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away. And a place was not found for them. And I saw the dead, the small and the great, stand before God. And books were opened, and another book was opened, [which is] the Book of Life. And the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead in it. And death and hell delivered up the dead in them. And each one of them was judged according to their works."

But this is the judgement of the Unbelievers at the second resurrection. Here God still judges the evil ones according to their works

According to the Bible, there are TWO resurrections,
1. Resurrection of the Believers
2. Resurrection of the Unbelievers

Evidence:
Rev 20:4-5:
"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the Word of God, and who had not worshiped the beast nor his image, nor had received [his] mark on their foreheads, nor in their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years."
"But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection."


Rev 20:6:
"Blessed and holy [is] he who has part in the first resurrection. The second death has no authority over these, but they will be priests of God and of Christ, and will reign with Him a thousand years."

So. The punishment of Ritual Killers and Murderers wouldn't be the same as the ignorant person that lived according to his good conscience in hell.

Do you think that God is UNJUST!?






So, now that I have corrected your misunderstanding,

1. Can you tell me why a just Allah could send Muslim babies to hell?
2. If this is TRUE, how do you know that you are not on the way to hell yourself?
3. Why would Allah first send Muslims to Hell before removing them

The use of "WERE" still stands.....and also why do you guys like making false assumptions/claims.....when did I tell u I am a Moslem?.

In Islam....regardless of ur past once you convert you can go to paradise just like Christianity doesn't consider a persons past.

And as for all those explanations you put up there I can also get explanations for all the verses you use against 1slam from Moslems to discredit all your claims......It the normal way of y'all religious folks. .

At least she isn't a hypocrite.

TenQ:
Let me go with you, those who WERE Jews. Sabians and Christians before Islam.

Tell me, how would
1. The Jews who believe that Ezra or Uzziah is the son of Allah enter paradise?
2. Tell me how the Christians who believe in Trinity before Islam will enter paradise?
3. The Sabians worship the Stars and Constellations, tell me how they would enter paradise?

Islam is always problematic no matter how you look at it.

If Babies in Islam can go to hell, how can an adult Muslim claim he has the way to Paradise?


No sir! Complete falsehood!

For Christians paradise is only by Grace because they Have Faith in Jesus.
Eph 2:8:
"For by grace you are saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, [it is] the gift of God,"
Eph 2:9:
"not of works, lest anyone should boast."

The magnitude of your reward thereafter appreciate or depreciate according to your works.

1Cor 3:12-15:
"And if anyone builds on this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble, each one's work shall be revealed. For the Day shall declare [it], because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try each one's work as to what kind it is. If anyone's work which he built remains, he shall receive a reward. If anyone's work shall be burned up, he shall suffer loss. But he shall be saved, yet so as by fire."

It all ends at they must be Muslims at death before making it to paradise.

Secondly....face the verses I pulled up and stop bringing up contradictory ones because that's what y'all books are filled with.....contradictions and inconsistencies.

TenQ:
Did I say anything to you about Islam without EVIDENCE?

It is not about how you want the interpretation of the evidence to be, it is about what indeed the evidence says.

So, what did Allah say in
Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

The categories that will neither Fear nor Grieve and have their Reward with Allah
1. Those who believe (Muslims)
2. AND the Jews
3. OR Christians
4. OR Sabians
5. Whoever believed in Allah AND the Last day and did Righteousness


So, tell me what happens to those who are not in these FIVE categories?


The Islamic beliefs is often at variance with the Islamic texts. I go with what their texts say rather than what they claim to believe as a consensus.

Islam is a patchwork of unsubstantiated claims that change by the consensus of interpretation of their scholars. The basis of Islam is the REJECTION of Trinity and it's substitution with Taoheed. Unknown to Muslims, the Taoheed by itself is a stupid doctrine that reduces Allah to the level of Iblis.

The same Quran even claimed that ALL Muslims will initially enter hell fire before they are eventually removed by Allah.

1. Allah Guarantees All Muslims to Enter the Fire
Quran 19:71
There is not one of you who will not go down to it (the Fire), that is a fixed Decree of your Lord

Meaning that ALL Muslims will at least first be in Hell Fire.
Here is the Arabic if you do not like the translation above
وَإِن مِّنكُمۡ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَاۚ كَانَ عَلَىٰ رَبِّكَ حَتۡمࣰا مَّقۡضِیࣰّا

Quran 19:72
Then, We will save those who were cautious of us, but the harmdoers shall be left there hobbling on their knees

After ALL the Muslims enter the Fire, THEN Allah will THEREAFTER remove the good Muslims and leave others in the Fire

2. Mohammed says that even Babies (who are supposed to be Muslims by Birth can go to Hell)
a. Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6435:
Narrated Aisha:
A child died and I said: There is happiness for this child who is a bird from amongst the birds of Paradise. Thereupon Allah's Apostle (peace_be_upon_him) said: Don't you know that Allah created the Paradise and He created the Hell and He created the dwellers for this (Paradise) and the denizens for this (Hell)?

b. Sahih Muslim 2662c : Book 46, Hadith 47
'A'isha, the mother of the believers, said that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was called to lead the funeral prayer of a child of the Ansar. I said:
Allah's Messenger, there is happiness for this child who is a bird from the birds of Paradise for it committed no sin nor has he reached the age when one can commit sin. He said: 'A'isha, per adventure, it may be otherwise, because God created for Paradise those who are fit for it while they were yet in their father's loins and created for Hell those who are to go to Hell. He created them for Hell while they were yet in their father's loins.


When Aisha expresses her belief and expectation of happiness for the child that died, Muhammad disagrees and instead states that God has created some people for Hell.
Obviously, this includes children: should children enter the fire of Hell?

The verse said those who "were" though not those who "are"......so it doesn't indicate the believe that those sects will enter paradise without being a Muslim.

And like I said....even the Bible has similar verses that talks about entering paradise by good deeds but all Christians will tell you it's only through Christ.

Life is all about balance.....don't think you're being too smart by overdoing one thing or under doing it.....Try to always find that balance lest you suffer.

TenQ:
I am not a Muslim although, I almost converted into Islam at some point in my life but backed out after studying Islam thoroughly.
I am a Christian saved by the Grace in Christ Jesus.

You're making false claims about Islam.

Moslems believe that the very core of Christianity as a belief is blasphemous to their God so how would you claim that they believe that Christian can go to paradise?.

They don't believe that any other religious practice can lead to paradise except 1slam.... you can ask any Muslim to confirm....just like Christians don't believe that good deeds is enough to take one to paradise moslems also don't.

As for the verse you put up there....similar can be gotten from the Bible as well.....Revelation 20:12-13: "And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. ... And they were judged, each one according to his works".

The verse above is talking about Judgement based on deeds.....also this one....Matthew 25:35-40, where Jesus describes a future judgment, stating, "For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat... whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me". .

SlavaUkraini:
And I cannot remember the concept of the God you claim to know...

So I may need a reminder 🎗️🎗️🎗️

Check my previous reply to you.

TenQ:
.How can they be similar when they are so vastly different?

It's like saying a Chicken and a Human being are similar! Does this make sense to you!?

BTW:
Only Christians teach that their WAY is the Only way to Paradise.

Muslims include among those who will enter paradise as Jews, Sabians and Christians apart from Muslims.
Quran 2:62
"Indeed, those who believed and those who were Jews or Christians or Sabians – whoever believed in Allah and the Last Day and did righteousness – will have their reward with their Lord, and no fear will there be concerning them, nor will they grieve."

Hindus don't have any paradise.

Are you a Muslim?. .

TenQ:
For Christians, Jesus Himself is the Way, Truth and Life


Islam doesn't take Mohammed as the way, truth or life as Christians. In fact, in Islam, Allah himself is ON this way.

Qur'an 11:56
"Indeed, I have relied upon Allah, my Lord and your Lord. There is no creature but that He holds its forelock. Indeed, my Lord (Allah) is on a straight path."

In Hinduism, there is no concept of the Way, Truth and Life to paradise as paradise doesn't exist in Hinduism, Reincarnation and ultimately Nirvana is their destination through different kinds of Yoga.


Even the most heretical Christian cult or organisation believe that JESUS is the Way, the Truth and Life.

There exist no other Religion in the universe where their God came and made himself a sacrifice for humanity that people should be saved apart from Christianity!

There goes the problem with u again....I said "Similar" not "exact" which I clarified earlier and you're still dragging the talk backwards.

Similar in the sense that the both preach that their beliefs system is the only way to eternal salvation....anything other than what they preach wouldn't make the cut.....same applies to certain Christian factions as well.

SlavaUkraini:
Okay... I thought you were the Atheist I was replying on this thread...

And since you believe in God...

That God so loved the world and sent his Son Jesus Christ to die for your sins and to redeem you from Eternal Damnation..

Believe and Accept that Jesus today and live with the Father forever ...

If not, you will have yourself to blame

I don't believe in ur made up concept of God.... I've already told you the God that I know....if you want me to believe what you're telling me then I'll need evidences for all ur claims. .

TenQ:
Your claim


1. Those similar things specifically said to you
2. The religions in question that said the similar things

1. That what the teach is the way and/or the truth.
2.Islam most especially and probably Hinduism though they don't share in it's entirety similar beliefs to the abrahamic one's.....and also different factions in Christianity that think they are different from the others.....I don't know if they should still fall under the wings of Christianity as some beliefs they preach are viewed by them as the very key to eternal salvation eg. Jehovah's witnesses and Seven days Adventists.

SlavaUkraini:
The God you know ?

You nor be Atheist again ?

You dey whine yourself ?

Kindly maintain your Atheist beliefs

I am used to handling ur likes.....you guys thrive on lies,false accusations and deceit just like the deities u preach does.

Show me where I said that I am an Atheist....I am waiting. .

Baxilexi:
Well then, take it from someone that’s has explored a bit. From palaces/shrines in badagry, the Ogboni temple in PK10, Cotonou, the door that gets slammed with live chicken till its blood spills at olumo rock, to ouidah a small town between Togo and Benin republic where all sorts of enchantments are sold, with snakes and chameleon temples, the African religions is rooted in bestial diabolism.

I agree with you, embrace a religion that is pro-humanity/divinity.

You may be right to some extent regarding some African religion practices but if you ask me I think it has more to do with individual and ancestral methods passed down......they maintain these practices because they are scared of repercussions from the deities they worship as warned by those who passed it down to them.....If they had enough lQ and they understand how life and spirituality works they will realize that these things can be changed to a way they'll be more acceptable and not barbaric.

Also...there are some African tribes whose belief system despises evil and these barbarism.

All in all the black race needs to evolve in their way of thinking and doing things.....just see what they're still doing with the Christianity despite the way is it well doctored....from those using it to enrich themselves at the detriment of others to those using it for politics to those using it to cover their dirty Money etc....to show you that the wickedness and other vices is inbuilt.

Humans(Individual) chose to be wicked or good and thus attracts spirits that will help them achieve what they do desire....those practicing wicked way of worship chose it that way and vice versa. The laws of Nature is constant....the rest is left to humans individually or collectively to handle.

Once anyone just join that APC....it's like they've sold their soul to the devil.

A job well done for helping him snatching it, grabbing it and running away with it right?. .

Borrow from Peter to pay Paul....oya APC online miscreants over to you.

UniversalDove:
They using this to target Nigeria. This is 2025,people are awake. Nigeria will still not support your needless wars around the world

Anything to overcome terrorist will be supported.

TenQ:
I am more interested in your claims.

I will probably need to look them up as many religions exist in this world.

Over to you

What claims?....be specific.

TenQ:
The point is , STATE YOUR CLAIMS !
All I did was to eliminate the obvious contenders for you



Anyone can claim anything sir

Yep....and the problem stems from someone amongst the "anyone" saying the others are lying and they should be disregarded....only what he/she said is the truth without providing any of undisputable EVIDENCE to back it up.

SlavaUkraini:
Don't mistake my Jesus for others...

He is the sure Way the Truth and the Life

No one comes to the Father except by him

Ur Lord and theirs are all biased deities who assumably revealed themselves to a specific group of people and told them they are better than others and that they should spread what the deity teaches them for it's the way to peace, growth and eternal life....so I see little or no difference between you and them...maybe just methods of doing things.

The God I know isn't the author of confusion and he didn't create or orchestrate any specific religion to men....His laws are applicable on all equally and his works also.... Anything else is manufactured except it is backed with evidence by the one making such claims.

TenQ:
Can you please name the religions as it definitely isn't Islam or Judaism where a Personality is the Way, the Truth or the Life.

Waiting!!!

Is it that you don't understand English or what.....you don't know the difference between the word "Similar" and "Exactly"?.....if you do then tell me which one I used and if you don't then go and open ur dictionary for better understanding okay.

SlavaUkraini:
Jesus Christ remains the Way the Truth and the Life

No one comes to the Father except by him

Similar thing other religion folks told me regarding their own belief system. .

Baxilexi:
Regale me, which century’s religion do you align with? Centuries BC? Or AD? What if? Just what if, the so called ancestral religions we revere were actually foisted on us by conquests from other nations before recorded history.

We are here now, as the present, future and someone’s ancestors. And if I could leave a message in a bottle I’d tell my progeny that they should follow a religion that supports peace, love, righteousness and forgiveness. Steer clear of anyone that takes you to the river, or demands human sacrifice.

Well I don't see how what's you're saying getting anything to do with what I said.

I don't believe in speaking ill of others beliefs except if it is rooted in evil....the only religion everyone should believe in is Good, humanity and Nature.....all these self exhalation and speaking ill of others belief system are most likely man made idealogies to serve specific purposes.

SlavaUkraini:
The joke will be on you, when you meet your maker when your time here on earth is over...

You will have to explain to him why you rejected his saving grace that was extended to you through his Son Jesus Christ...

You may explain to him the kind of crack that was sold to you that made you ignored the Gospel and Jesus Christ...

Same thing someone from another religion told me......he said I will face his god if I refuse to accept his fairytale.....this format don cast find another one....you guys are on par with comedians seriously.😅.

rejoice4eva:
Chief Judge, why not wait till the last day?
Last time I checked, the man of God is a Nigerian and he is entitled to his own opinion.
You may disagree with him , but you have no right whatsoever to tell him what to say.
If there is anyone that needs to repent from, pride , false accusations, hatred, bigotry and envy, I think you are the one.
REPENT BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE

Which last day.....that man has nothing to do with the God of truth and Holiness.