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Workch:
But In Nigeria, it's the other way.

The defendant is suppose to defend himself by providing evidence against the prosecutor's claims.

He will practically defend himself

You see the underline part is what I’ve been trying to explain.

How do you know a thing called “god” has the ABILITY to exist or not.
Because if you say you don’t know if it can exist or not, you’ve already ascertain that a thing called god might have the ABILITY to exist.

A true agnostic rejects all gods because he knows nobody knows of any, it’s unknowable, any explanation by theism, science or rationality is automatically already wrong on the fact that no one knows.
I’m an atheist because I’m agnostic.

Workch:
But I Nigeria, it's the other way.

The defendant is suppose to defend itself by providing evidence against the prosecutor's claims.

He will practically defend himself

So the prosecutor only need to make claims(blank statement) without proving it?
What exactly will the defendant defend?

Workch:
In the United States Court, the prosecutor is always required to provide evidence against the defendant

If you go to court and claim i killed someone, you provided no evidence, will the judge say I should prove myself that I didn’t kill anyone?
And because I can’t provide evidence against a claim, I should go to jail?
Is that how it works?

Workch:
lack of evidence for or against.

Stop cherrypicking.

In the United States Court, the prosecutor is always required to provide evidence against the defendant

Is the prosecutor not the theist that’s suppose to provide evidence against atheist, the defendants?

Workch:
you see why I will not accept it again.


So is there evidence against a deistic god?

Let’s know the nature of this deistic god, we know how mars operate, like you said we know how genes operate to know a man cannot fly.
What are the qualities of this “deistic god”, let’s put it toscientiifc test, so we know how it operates.

We know mars has a thing called carbon dioxide that’s why we can’t breathe on it.

What’s the composition of the deistic god that makes it possible for it to form before big bang?

Workch:
Does a human have the ability to survive on Mars?

We are talking about YOU making the claim, explain how you got to mars without spacesuit.

Why you dey change mouth now? Stucked?

Workch:
answer it or I Wil stop replying you.

Are there evidence against a human's ability to live on Mars?

Who cares, you are cherrypicking which question you’ll answer.

We are talking about YOU making the claim, explain how you got to mars without spacesuit.
Why are you changing it now?

Workch:
Are there evidence against a human ability to live on Mars?

we are not talking about that.

We are talking about YOU making the claim, explain how you got to mars without spacesuit.

Workch:
I am not talking about yahweh, I know there are evidence against yahweh.

There's no evidence against deistic god

Strawman fallacy

The evidence provided by yahweh worshippers made us know their claims are wrong. Or how do you know Yahweh doesn’t exist?
Which evidence did deistic worshipper provide?

jaephoenix:
To start with, the book seemingly inspired by yahweh has been found to be a big fraud, and never happened

Or zeus or odin, they are both called “gods”.
Seems agnostics are obsessed with “god”

Workch:
Why do you disbelieve it?

You made a wild claim and You provided no evidence.
Even if you don’t prove your claim, like in science explain how you arrive at mars without spacesuit, then I’ll use your explanation to carry out experiments to approve or disprove it.

You just made a blank statement.

Workch:
So you disbelieve it? Yes or no?

Is i do not believe your claim different from I disbelieve?

Workch:
So you disbelieve it right?

I don’t believe your claim.

Workch:
do you disbelieve it?

I don’t believe you.

Workch:
I don't know, tell me the evidence against them before you rejected it.

So how’s a deistic argument superior to a yahweh worshipper or a unicorn worshipper?

Workch:
do you believe that I am typing from Mars now, without a spacesuit?

I can only believe what I don’t know.
You can make me believe, but I’ll never know because I’m not there.

Workch:
I will find evidence for or against it from everywhere before I believe or disbelieve it.

What’s the evidence for or against yahweh?
What’s the evidence for or against a deistic god?

Workch:
is there evidence for or against it?

So if your kid came and meet you this is what you’ll say?

jaephoenix:
Good.
Do you believe I flew to work in my wings this morning?

People Can even worship unicorn as their god.

Workch:
We are talking about God and not unicorn.

Strawman fallacy

People can worship unicorn as their god.
god is a title not a person.

Workch:
No, not really. Agnostism doesn't take a position until evidence for or against is available.

Theism and atheism take positions from ignorance

They took a position since they agreed that a “god” has the ABILITY to exist or not.
Does wolverine in xmen have the ABILITY to exist or not?
does yahweh in jewish books have the ABILITY to exist or not?

Workch:
I didn't make the word god, I don't know if it's god.

I am using the deistic term for it for you to understand what I am talking about.

It's not my word, it's the word of deists, atheists and theists. How else to I communicate with you if I don't use it.


How else do I communicate with you about aliens that we aren't sure of their existence if I don't use the word "alien".

How am I suppose to discuss dragons with you if I won't use the word dragons, if when there no evidence that they existed

God are idols.

Workch:
I didn't make the word god, I don't know if it's god.

I am using the deistic term for it for you to understand what I am talking about.

It's not my word, it's the word of deists, atheists and theists. How else to I communicate with you if I don't use it.


How else do I communicate with you about aliens that we aren't sure of their existence if I don't use the word "alien".

How am I suppose to discuss dragons with you if I won't use the word dragons, if when there no evidence that they existed

Good, Alien and dragons are title not a person, god is a title not a person.

Workch:
yes, I don't know it there's god or not.
I think does who reject or accept the claim are wrong because we do not have sufficient knowledge to either accept or reject God.

Since it’s a claim without evidence, the claim can be dismissed without evidence lol.

Workch:
Let me break it down.

Deists basically claim that, the a god must have formed the singularity that expanded into the universe. It's not my claim, I don't have evidence for or against it.

My position is that m, I don't believe or disbelieve deists.

Yahweh worshippers claim that too.
A deist is a monotheist without religion.

DeepSight:
I dont understand what this means. Break it down/.

If you look up the origin of the word “agnostic” it means “ignorant of, not known”. It has nothing to do with “gods” unless you are an agnostic theist.
If you say we don’t know and it’s unknowable how the universe came to be, with that stand shouldn’t we reject all claims that tries to explain how the universe came to be either by theism or science or by rationality, because we are ALL agnostic (ignorant of)

Workch:
I am telling you deistic claims. Like what they claim, not mine.

You don't understand?

I am saying that that specific kind of diestic claim can never be disproven by anybody, not even the smartest atheist on earth.

It's why agnostics hold their position

Do you understand me now?

Remove the “deistic” and put “yahweh” what’s the difference?
The pope, a yahweh worshipper believes in big bang.

Workch:
exactly what atheists and theists don't want to understand

How then do you know this god has the ability to exist or not?

DeepSight:
If we dont know, we cannot say anything is right or wrong.
We should simply say we dont know, end of.

We don’t need to say anything is right and wrong, we will reject it because no one can know. Their explanation of the universe is wrong from their first statement because no one can know.

DeepSight:
Lets keep it this simple.

Gnostic - "I know."
Agnostic - "I don't know."

End of.

Then any explanation that tries to explain the universe will be automatically wrong and rejected, because no one can know.
I’m an atheist because I’m agnostic.

Workch:
A specific kind of God that caused the singularity to form before big bang. That one

How can you prove or disprove that god?

This unknowable thing formed before big bang?
There was no other process except big bang?
The concept of big bang is our available explanation, in the next hundred years we may have a better explanation and disprove big bang, But you’ve already limited this god to “big bang”. Bwahahahah

Trollronaldo:
It's what agnostics are saying, both theism and atheism are illogical.


None of them have evidence, both of them accept or reject on thr basis of ignorance.

Since this thing is unknowable, it makes the idea of gods(theism) to be automatically wrong then.
I’m an atheist because I’m agnostic.