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tctrills:
Good, Your post actually proves that Jesus is Emmanuel. Here are extracts from your post.

Like Isaiah's wife, Yeshua's mother was a prophetess as well, in the sense that she too declared God's message. Luke 1:46-55 contains Miryam's soaring words of praise for God's loyalty to his covenant promises to Abraham and his children, to her fellow Jews.

Since Miryam was a prophetess (like Isaiah's wife), her Son was also a prophetic sign to Israel.

Neither she nor anyone else in the NT ever called him Immanu El ("with us is God". His angel-given name was Yeshua ("the LORD saves" — a symbolic name describing what his presence on earth entailed for God's people: "he will save his people from their sins" (Matt 1:21). (See Shem Yeshua Mashiach: Hebrew Roots of "Jesus Christ".)

We need to remember the obvious point about Miryam's story (Matthew 1, Luke 1).

She was literally an Almah — an unmarried young woman — within whom God created, by his Spirit, the male embryo who grew to become her baby named Yeshua. She was an unmarried Hebrew virgin who became pregnant, not by her husband-to-be, Joseph.

When the angel told Miryam she would give birth to "the Son of the Most High" and son of "his father David" (Luke 1:32), her response proves she knew what the announcement meant: "How can this be, since I am a virgin?" (v. 34).

In other words, she fulfilled both the prophetic Hebrew word that an almah would bear a son, as well as the Greek Bible prophecy about a boy who would be birthed by a parthenos.

Representatively, Yeshua's mother would be Virgin Israel, the faithful, unsullied bride of God, who would bear a son for her Lord. (See the links between Israel and Miryam: Betulat Yisrael: Virgin Mother of Messiah.)

He was talking about moses sister bwahahahah

tctrills:
Oh you want to see Hebrew then this should do you. https://biblehub.com/text/isaiah/9-6.htm are you ok now?

Yulad means “was born.”
It was not the only place the hebrew word was mentioned in the tanakh.

tctrills:
Oh you want to see Hebrew then this should do you. https://biblehub.com/text/isaiah/9-6.htm are you ok now?

What did you think i was asking before? Bwahahahah

tctrills:
Now, you are asking me to spoon-feed you. I read your article without needing you to screen shot.

Okay.
I’ve been been able to open the site and can’t see any hebrew writings that you posted.

tctrills:
Oga. you did not even read what you sent at all. It does not even support your point.It seems you are the fraud afterall

Point it out

tctrills:
Oga. you did not even read what you sent at all. It does not even support your point.It seems you are the fraud afterall

I’ve been been able to open the site and can’t see any hebrew writings that you posted.

tctrills:
Cant you boys have a discussion without insults and name calling? Is it not possible?

They are not insults.

tctrills:
Good now mine [url]htstp/sharperiron.org/article/isaiah-96-7-hebrew-text-ancient-versions:/[/url]

Open the site and screenshot it.

tctrills:
Oga, yes oh, I suddenly leant to write Hebrew just for our discussion. Now show your links or stop the fake Hebrew.

Who told you what you posted was Hebrew we are referring to? Did you check before you copied it bwahahahah

I’m not a brainwashed sheep like you.

tctrills:
Somehow, I both believe each other is lying. And it's ok not to trust each other. But you were the first to start the Hebrew class so it ok if you show your links first. I have already promised to do the same so why don't you put me to Shame. Unless you are fake.

You and i know you are lying. Didn’t know christians can be this desperate.

https://www.hebrew-streams.org/works/hebrew/yeshayahu714.html

tctrills:
It's like you are into music. I have already promised to share my links once I see yours

So desperate you’ll forged language exactly like how your New Testament was forged.
You have no link to post of your hebrew translation because there’s none.

You think I’m a sheep like you that you can bobo

tctrills:
I honestly don't understand you. The polite thing is for you to post links to your view first then challenge me to post mine.
Again you believe I am lying so you should not have a problem posting you links and if I can't post mine, I would be shamed as a dishonest person.

So christians dey do taqqiya too? Bwahahahah

tctrills:
I honestly don't understand you. The polite thing is for you to post links to your view first then challenge me to post mine.
Again you believe I am lying so you should not have a problem posting you links and if I can't post mine, I would be shamed as a dishonest person.

What particular link should i post?

So you can’t post your expert link?

I believe you are lying, so shame me by posting the link you got your translation from now now.

tctrills:
You are the demanding type right? But then, you have not posted any links yourself. So If I post a Link supporting the bible version, would you agree you are wrong?

Kindly post the link where you got your hebrew translation that you posted earlier.

tctrills:
There are thousands of sites do your research.

Not a single one said it.

Hope you not lying because of Iesus chrestus?

Send the link of the expert na

tctrills:
There are thousands of sites do your research.

Not a single one said it, they are not dull.

Please post your link

tctrills:
Well, as I said, I don't speak Hebrew but it's much better I follow the experts than you my random friend on Nairaland don't you think?

Send me link to the website where you got your expert

tctrills:
Again, I don't speak Hebrew so I researched. כִּי־הִנֵּה הַנַּעַר הָרָה וְנִקְרָא עֶלְיוֹ שֵׁם עִמָּנוּאֵל כִּי־אֶעֱנֶה יְהוָה עַל־אַדְמַת הַזֹּאֲתָ לֹא־בַחֲמַת־עַם וְלֹא־בַכַּף חָרָב

This verse in Hebrew is saying "Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel."

Send me the link to this website

What’s virgin called in hebrew?

tctrills:
So I don't speak Hebrew hence I just made some research and again you are wrong.

כִּי־זֶרַע יְשַׁלַּח יְהוָה לָכֶם נְאֻם־יְהוָה וְרֹעֶה יִקָּח עַל־שְׁכֶם

This verse in Hebrew is saying "For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us, and authority rests upon his shoulders; and he is named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

Hebrew is not necessarily written this way.
Send me link where you got this

the operative word here in Hebrew is Yulad, “was born”

tctrills:
So I don't speak Hebrew hence I just made some research and again you are wrong.

כִּי־זֶרַע יְשַׁלַּח יְהוָה לָכֶם נְאֻם־יְהוָה וְרֹעֶה יִקָּח עַל־שְׁכֶם

This verse in Hebrew is saying "For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us, and authority rests upon his shoulders; and he is named Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."

First of all, this is a mistranslation. The words in the original Hebrew are, ‘sar shalom.’ The word ‘sar’ does not mean ‘prince,’

Prince’ in Hebrew is ‘nasee’ and not ‘sar.’ The Christian translators intentionally chose the English word ‘prince’ to lead the reader into thinking about Jesus.

tctrills:
Oga, it's simple, we both don't believe in the same text. Please prove yours is the original. I am listening.

Which language was the original written in?


In the Hebrew, the verse explicitly says, in the past tense: “A child was born to us. A son has been given to us. Government (or authority) is on his shoulder. And his name has been called, ‘God-plans-a wonder-God-is-wonderful-Mighty-Eternal-a-Peaceable Ruler” Isaiah 9:6.

tctrills:
Please answer my question sir. Are you teaching that a virgin gave birth to the prince of peace, the Everlasting Father, the mighty God in the days of Isiah?

I’m saying in the original text a “virgin” was not mentioned, it may have been edited to that in your versions.

This refers to King Chizkiyahu/Hezekiah, as Rashi and Ibn Ezra, the great rabbinic commentaries explain. You’ll note the operative word here in Hebrew is Yulad, “was born” from the Hebrew grammatical construct of Binyan Pu’al. The English translations that dubiously say “is born” are therefore incorrect. Being that this refers to someone who “was born” and already living during Isaiah’s time, that is 700 years before Jesus! So in no way, can this verse refer to Jesus. But rather, it refers to King Chizkiyahu (Hezekiah), a contemporary of Isaiah’s.

tctrills:
Wrong. Let me get you, you are saying that the mighty God, the price of peace, the Everlasting Father was born by a virgin in the days of Isiah?

I’m saying:
Isaiah 7:14 says the woman “is giving birth.” Present participle (feminine singular). Yoledet. The woman is in the process of giving birth as he speaks (or writes).
in Isaiah 7:14. Here, Isaiah wrote, quite uncontroversially, that “the young woman is with child”, but this Hebrew text was mistranslated into the Greek Septuagint (LXX) as “a virgin will conceive”.

tctrills:
My kingdom is not of this world Jesus said.

Which land? Which 2 kingss?

“the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.”

sign and the fulfillment: the land of that alliance between Israel and Syria, while the child born to the young maiden was still in young childhood, would be forsaken of both her kings – Pekah and Rezin.

tctrills:
No he did not, it was a promise of things to come.

Yes it did.
the actual sign and it’s fulfillment –– the undoing and failure of the alliance of Rezin & Syria and Pekah & Israel against Judah –– was to occur while the son born to that young maiden was still in young childhood, still eating soft sweet foods, and still too young to know right from wrong. THAT is the prophecy and that is the sign.

tctrills:
What's your point here?
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

Which land is that? Which kings?

“the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.”

tctrills:
What's your point here?
14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.

16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

in Isaiah 7:14. Here, Isaiah wrote, quite uncontroversially, that “the young woman is with child”, but this Hebrew text was mistranslated into the Greek Septuagint (LXX) as “a virgin will conceive”.

The “young maiden” in 7:14 is already pregnant or shortly will be, and she’s known personally to both Ahaz and Isaiah.

The son who would be born to her, according to the “sign,” she would actually name “Immanu’el” –– as his actual, proper, given, called-by name. That’s the proper name that his mother will name and call him.

tctrills:
Well we are not reading from the same books and we don't share the same beliefs.

You don’t need beliefs to read and understand a book.

In the original Old Testament Hebrew “almah” simply means “young woman.” After the Exile the Hebrew books had been translated into Persian Aramaic, and then in the third century BC they were translated from that into Greek, called the Septuagint, where “almah” becomes “parthenos,” which meant “virgin.” But that’s not in the original. There’s a different, specific word for a virgin, “bitullah,” which isn’t used here.

tctrills:
Jesus is Immanuel

Ignorance is not Bliss.

Isaiah 7:14 is totally contextual, contemporary and topical to Isaiah and Ahaz, and to the Syrio-Ephraimic crisis with Rezin and Pekah.

Don’t read v. 14 unless you’re willing to begin with 7:1 and continue, in context, thru to the actual pronouncement of what the actual “sign” really is, in vss. 15–16 ff….

“15. Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings….”
THAT is the sign and the fulfillment: the land of that alliance between Israel and Syria, while the child born to the young maiden was still in young childhood, would be forsaken of both her kings – Pekah and Rezin.

tctrills:
Immanuel is mentioned

How is mentioning immanuel translate to jesus?

That’s a hebrew name invoking EL, immanuEL.
Show me Where Isaiah mentioned jesus in the tanakh, you christians call Old Testament.

tctrills:
What claims are my making? The bible tells us that Jesus Christ is Immanuel not me.

The tanakh never said so, maybe in the king james VERSION you are reading.

In the original Old Testament Hebrew “almah” simply means “young woman.” After the Exile the Hebrew books had been translated into Persian Aramaic, and then in the third century BC they were translated from that into Greek, called the Septuagint, where “almah” becomes “parthenos,” which meant “virgin.” But that’s not in the original. There’s a different, specific word for a virgin, “bitullah,” which isn’t used here.

tctrills:
Quote the verse let's see.

Quote the verse where Isaiah mentioned jesus