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MaxInDHouse:
God never changed but it's His way of dealing with imperfect humans that changes!

God never changes but his laws needs to be updated
I bet more updates are coming
Who created this imperfect humans?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus' followers had all the evidences pointing to Jesus as the promised Messiah so let the unbelieving Jews continue waiting for the Messiah after all the Torah says a Messiah will come!

So it is Jesus followers that started Christianity? When they were compiling the Bible, didn’t they know that the Torah belongs to Judaism a different god? They are mischievous.
Which religion did Jesus Praticed before he died? Judaism
Who is the father of Judaism? Abraham.

MaxInDHouse:
Was it written in the Torah?
What does it mean and who is the expected prophet they must listen to after Moses?

The Torah is the original Hebrew Bible. Christian added it to their fake bible. Learn

MaxInDHouse:
Was it written in the Torah?
What does it mean and who is the expected prophet they must listen to after Moses?

The Torah is the first 5 books of the Bible, who uses the Torah? Judaist. What do Judaist say about that verse you are forcing Jesus on..

MaxInDHouse:
Amendments doesn't really means there was a mistake my friends, it could also means the people needs to be updated on certain things!

Before the law Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham Isaac, Jacob and Joseph have lived. It's after their death that Moses began writing their stories and God gave the newly born nation laws that will guide them until the coming of Christ. It's there written in their Torah so if they chose to ignore what they can see written about the amendment in the book they're carrying then it's their own fault!

Amendment means a change will happen that you didn’t foresee. So your god do change as things go, all knowing indeed.
The Torah belongs to Judaist, what do Judaist say about that Deuteronomy verse, stop forcing your agenda on that verse

MaxInDHouse:
[/b]I'm not disputing that Jesus wasn't quoting what was established before him so get me right. He couldn't have quoted himself just as we are quoting him today nah! [b]
So he was quoting what the Jews knew to help them realize that he (Jesus) is the promised Messiah that Moses foretold! Deuteronomy 18:15-19

You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” The woman said to him: “I know that Mes·siʹah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one comes, he will declare all things to us openly.” Jesus said to her: “I am he, the one speaking to you.” John 4:22-26

Notice how the woman wanted to start arguing with Jesus because she felt Jesus is in support of the Jewish claim because he himself is a Jew but she said they're waiting for the Messiah that's coming to teach them just as Moses promised. That's why Jesus openly told her "i am the one"

So Jesus couldn't have been quoting what has not been written Sir, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph all lived before the establishment of the Torah so they can't quote from it but it's people living after it's establishment that can quote it.
Today lawyers in the court of law will quote the Nigerian constitution against any defaulter but do you think that's possible if there wasn't any WRITTEN constitution?
Moreover whenever there is an amendment in the constitution lawyers won't quote the old laws anymore but the newly amended that's signed into law!

Look at what the Jews the owner of Judaism who was given the Torah says about your Jesus and they reject your meaning of that Deuteronomy verses to suit your Jesus agenda.

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MaxInDHouse:
[/b]I'm not disputing that Jesus wasn't quoting what was established before him so get me right. He couldn't have quoted himself just as we are quoting him today nah![b][color=#000000]
So he was quoting what the Jews knew to help them realize that he (Jesus) is the promised Messiah that Moses foretold! Deuteronomy 18:15-19

You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” The woman said to him: “I know that Mes·siʹah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one comes, he will declare all things to us openly.” Jesus said to her: “I am he, the one speaking to you.” John 4:22-26

Notice how the woman wanted to start arguing with Jesus because she felt Jesus is in support of the Jewish claim because he himself is a Jew but she said they're waiting for the Messiah that's coming to teach them just as Moses promised. That's why Jesus openly told her "i am the one"

So Jesus couldn't have been quoting what has not been written Sir, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph all lived before the establishment of the Torah so they can't quote from it but it's people living after it's establishment that can quote it.
Today lawyers in the court of law will quote the Nigerian constitution against any defaulter but do you think that's possible if there wasn't any WRITTEN constitution?
Moreover whenever there is an amendment in the constitution lawyers won't quote the old laws anymore but the newly amended that's signed into law!

You are still quoting the Torah from Judaism. Who is the father of Judaism? Abraham. which god are worshipped in Judaism? Judaist god.. did Jesus ever refer to Abraham? Yes.
What do the Judaist say about that Deuteronomy verse which was in the Torah before the Christians copied it. Surely they will have a better understanding, it’s there book according to what you just said .
Now you are comparing your god to man, so your god do amend laws? Amend means a mistake had already happened

orisa37:
Thank God for giving you eternal life, Jesus said. Why?

Socrates was gone. Where?

Which “god” are you talking about here? Christian god? Or the Judaist god that your Jesus worshipped? Or Zeus that Socrates mentioned repeatedly here?
And did you miss this “ It is not necessarily your God that created the world: There are thousands of other priests who claim that their God did it. Just because I do not have the answer, does not mean that I must accept yours without examining it. I could just as logically demand that you believe that Zeus created the world. Even if I agree that God created the world, that is the end of the definition of the qualities of God and we can't logically proceed from that to the assumption that the other aspects of your definition of God are correct.”

orisa37:
Jesus improved on Job by His Resurrection.

Socrates became The Precursor of Atheism.

Jesus, Job, Socrates and a typical Atheist are all Greeks from ATHENS.

Socrates is the precursor of atheism? Please stop saying what you don’t know..

orisa37:
The Myth of Jesus is The Reality of Answered Prayers.

"JESUS PRAYS AND PRAISES GOD"!!!

And I bet you not the only one with a religion claiming their gods answers prayers.

MaxInDHouse:
I must quote this!

Jesus' parents were Jews practicing the religion of Jews so he grew up among them but after some time he went to a man called John the baptist who baptized Jesus and afterwards Jesus began having issues with the Jews, WHY?


After his baptism God's Holy Spirit took him to a silent place where he got new information about what he was sent to establish. Matthew 4:1
Moses had the same experience before the establishment of the Israelites worship that's why Moses told the Israelites that God will send another prophet like himself to them. Deuteronomy 18:15-19
Just as Jesus spent 40 days and 40 nights with God the same happened to Moses {Matthew 4:2 compare to Exodus 34:28} both of them received instructions on how to establish the covenants God made with people.
Moses was the mediator between God and the Israelites for the Old Covenant while Jesus is the mediator for the New Covenant.

So Jesus surely commissioned another religion totally different from Judaism that's why his own disciples were preaching and teaching in all the cities around the Mediterranean sea.


Whether you agree or not Jesus actually established another form of worship that's why the Jews hated him to death!


You can join the judaists if you want to practice Judaism nobody is stopping you but know today that Christianity never came from Rome!

look what I found.. if you check the verses he is quoting they are in Torah, Jesus was talking to the Judaist god here different from the one Christians talk to me after Jesus died, and If you look at what he said it was the baptism that made Jesus turn away from the jews(even though he died a Judaist lol) so is John the Baptist the creator of this new religion?
Without the baptism Jesus wouldn’t have “turned against” jews right
Who is the founder of Judaism? Abraham. Did Jesus ever refer to Abraham? Which gods do Judaism practice? Definitely different from the Christian god

cornelboy:
MaynMan
Was Moses a Jew?
What's your religion?
According to what you said bout the connection between Jew and Judea, can every person in Israel be call a Jew?

Look what I found

This man doesn’t know the difference between singular and plural

Bye
Learnt about a new religion today “yahwish” hmmmm we learn everyday truly.

cornelboy:
MaynMan
Was Moses a Jew?
What's your religion?
According to what you said bout the connection between Jew and Judea, can every person in Israel be call a Jew?

Cornelboy
Who said this?

cornelboy:
Last warning answer my questions now!

This Jacob?
Read slowly

cornelboy:
Answer the question baba i wan go sleep or else the discussion will end here

This Jacob sir?
Read and learn carefully.

cornelboy:
If you don't answer my questions I'll stop responding you hear?

I have accidentally learnt from you today, I didn’t know we have another religion “yahwish” but this one na gods full the religion oo. From yahwish to Judaism to Christianity, it just never stops.
we learn everyday

cornelboy:
If you don't answer my questions I'll stop responding you hear?

This Jacob, sir?

cornelboy:
Whiy were Israel and Judah distinguished here since you said Judah was never a kingdom on it own?

If you can't answer those questions because you need to save face, ateast tell is what your religion is

We keep finding more gods
Are you not tired sir?
Oh ad hominem, you are now attacking me.. your religion has been exposed

cornelboy:
Answer the question na stop saving face.

You don't know Judah the son of Jacob?

You mean this Jacob?

cornelboy:
Answer the question na stop saving face.

You don't know Judah the son of Jacob?

Why not listen to your advice and answer.
Who said this?
Busted

cornelboy:
Oh you mean your exposed? Yeah that's true!

Jerusalem, Hebron were towns in Judea/Judah.

Wow we keep finding more gods now god of yahwish.
They made reference to the Hebrew Bible aka TORAH

cornelboy:
Oh you mean your exposed? Yeah that's true!

Jerusalem, Hebron were towns in Judea/Judah.

Busted and exposed

cornelboy:
What did I lie about dumdum?

Why didn't you answer my questions?



If this your statement is true, how come you refer to all Israelites as Jews?
How is Moses a levite also a Jew?
Did other tribes of Israel come from Judea?

You can't answer na
I don trap foolish man

Who said this? you are trying too hard

cornelboy:
2 Samuel 2:11
[11]David made Hebron his capital, and he ruled as king of Judah for seven and a half years.

Where did you get that, from Judaism?

Exposed

cornelboy:
Read your Hebrew scriptures well and see how God divided the kingdom of Israel.
Two tribes formed one kingdom while the rest of the tribe formed another kingdom. And these two kingdoms were ruled by two separate Kings.

1 Kings 12:16-20
[16]When all Israel realized that the king had refused to listen to them, they responded,
“Down with the dynasty of David!
    We have no interest in the son of Jesse.
Back to your homes, O Israel!
    Look out for your own house, O David!”So the people of Israel returned home.
[17]But Rehoboam continued to rule over the Israelites who lived in the towns of Judah.
[18]King Rehoboam sent Adoniram, who was in charge of forced labor, to restore order, but the people of Israel stoned him to death. When this news reached King Rehoboam, he quickly jumped into his chariot and fled to Jerusalem.
[19]And to this day the northern tribes of Israel have refused to be ruled by a descendant of David.
[20]When the people of Israel learned of Jeroboam’s return from Egypt, they called an assembly and made him king over all Israel. So only the tribe of Judah remained loyal to the family of David.

After Solomon's death, the Kingdom was divided, Reheboam son of Solomon continue ruling Judah and Benjamin (two tribes) while Jeroboam ruled Israel (the ten other tribes).


The tribe Judah was once ruled by king David as a Kingdom on it own. Stop your lies and unreasonable reasoning

Have we not been saying same thing
You are the liar here

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus commissioned Christianity through PREACHING {PLEADING) from house to house! Matthew 10:11-15

So the religions that came with swords to force their beliefs on others are NOT HIS FOLLOWERS!


Jesus himself never forced his teaching on anyone rather he condemns forceful convertion! Luke 9:51-56

I was a Muslim before i figured out the true disciples of Christ in the midst of over 41,000 sects all claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

So if truly you want to make a research about something start from the main man who established it, know what he taught not just getting carried away by the actions of those claiming they're his followers when they don't practice what he taught!

Mohatma Gandhi from India studied Jesus' words and discovered that Jesus has been misrepresented by those claiming Christians.

That's how real intellectuals reason!

Who is the mother of Christianity? Better go and learn your religion and leave Judaism alone.

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus commissioned Christianity through PREACHING {PLEADING) from house to house! Matthew 10:11-15

So the religions that came with swords to force their beliefs on others are NOT HIS FOLLOWERS!


Jesus himself never forced his teaching on anyone rather he condemns forceful convertion! Luke 9:51-56

I was a Muslim before i figured out the true disciples of Christ in the midst of over 41,000 sects all claiming denominations in Christendom with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines.

So if truly you want to make a research about something start from the main man who established it, know what he taught not just getting carried away by the actions of those claiming they're his followers when they don't practice what he taught!

Mohatma Gandhi from India studied Jesus' words and discovered that Jesus has been misrepresented by those claiming Christians.

That's how real intellectuals reason!

Jesus didn’t commission any Christianity.. Christianity started After Christ (AD).. when Jesus was alive till he died he was Judaist and worshipped the Judaist god.
The Christians are serving another evil god of isreal. Jesus didn’t create any religion neither was he ever a Christian..
Christian comes from Christ.. what’s the origin of the word “christ”? It comes from a Greek word christos and it means teacher or the anointed and it is a title not a surname for Jesus, the current usage is suppose to be “Jesus the Christ”. Before Jesus was born the word has been in usage and commonly used but this greedy hebrew personalized it for their greedy gods. So Now we know the history of where the Christians got their name from.

RandomGuy48:
Like almost all arguments that are presented in dialogue form, the one here isn't very good. As these things almost always fall prey to, the "opposing person" (in this case Jesus) in the dialogue is given bad arguments or made to say dumb things so that the writer can more easily refute them through their mouthpiece (in this case Socrates), a process called strawmanning. A decent number of the things that it has Jesus say are not said or even implied in the Bible anyway.

But one thing I wanted to note that people should be aware of is who actually wrote that whole "Socrates Meets Jesus" article that was posted. Although it says "by Prometheus" at the start, at the end it clarifies it was written by "James L. Hart". But who was he? He was a guy who ran for the US congress quite a while ago (he managed to get the Republican nomination because the district he ran in was so inclined towards the Democrats no one else bothered to try to run for the Republicans--the Republicans very quickly disavowed his campaign, and never let him run as a Republican again). Let's take a look at an archive of his old website:
https://web.archive.org/web/20040806021801/http://www.jameshartforcongress.com/
And yes, you'll see a link to the "Socrates Meets Jesus" right on that page, confirming that the author of the work is the same James L. Hart.

So who was this James L. Hart guy whose writing is being promoted? What policy ideas did he have? Here's an excerpt from his site (bolding added):

Our cities are being destroyed by dysgenic welfare and immigration. Why does Detroit look like it was hit by a nuclear bomb and Hiroshima look like it was on the side that won the war? Everyone knows the answer but is afraid to say. Because genes have a more devastating effect on civilization than nuclear bombs, and the reason for Detroit's decline is that there are less 'favored races' in Detroit with an average IQ of 85 and more 'favored races' in Japan with an average IQ of 104. (It is noted there are less 'favored races'* in Africa south of the Sahara with an average IQ of 70-75, which accounts for the extreme poverty there.) Richard Lynn's book, 'IQ and the Wealth of Nations' has clearly shown that the prosperity of a nation is determined in large measure by the average IQ of the population. The poverty genes of less 'favored races'*, which are spread by welfare and immigration, are destroying our cities no less than if they were hit by a nuclear bomb. Massive uncontrolled and illegal immigration portends not just the destruction of a few cities but of our whole civilization itself. If we had integrated with less 'favored races'* centuries ago, there would have never been an electric light. There would never have been an airplane. Unless we stop dysgenic welfare and immigration policies, the US will look like one big Detroit.

So as we can see, he's quite clearly asserting that blacks are a "less favored race" than white people, that poverty in Africa is the result of it having "less favored races" than whites, and goes so far as to assert that it's only because whites didn't integrate with those "less favored races" that things like light bulbs or airplanes were invented.

While I doubt the original poster was aware of this information about James L. Hart, it still is amusing to see them promoting on an African message board the writings of someone who made the above statements.

Ad hominem.. face the discussion

MaxInDHouse:
He will continue telling you "the first five books of Moses" as if that makes Moses a Jew since he grew up to find the books in the hands of Jews.
He's the type that will tell you CHRISTIANS do kill people in crusades simply because he grew up to learn that the people who carry Bible use to go for crusades but the words of Christ he will not consider at all, since crusaders are claiming Christians he concludes all Christians are crusaders!

Continue lying to yourself pagan.. no religion has killed more people than Christianity.

For you to know what this crusaders did: check their history and what they did to promote and spread Christianity.. without these crusaders no one will know orthodox Christianity, all thanks to emperor Constantine for his approval too.

so Moses didn’t write the Old Testament? I thought as much too, it’s written in third person and not the first person doing the conversation.. this collection of books is filled with errors and contradictions, the Bible even has a special kind of error called “illeism” for you to know how confuse these lots are.

cornelboy:
By it's PUBG mobile time

While at it, remember a tribe can’t be a kingdom on his own