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MaxInDHouse:
They have scattered throughout the earth and those settling in Israel now are not the original Israelites, even most of the land God promised Abraham has been snatched away from them.

I told you but your atheistic mindset won't let you listen.
The true God has condemned that nation so the God who promised Abraham is no longer in support of whatever they're doing in that place again, they're just like any other pagan nations around the world!

God’s land is been ruled by demons.
God condemned isreal.

Why are you using the Torah from these demons then?

MaxInDHouse:
that's the name people gave it but according to true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) it's the Hebrew-Aramaic Scriptures from Genesis to Malachi and the Christian Greek Scriptures from Matthew to Revelations!

The Hebrew aramaic scriptures simply means TORAH
This guy don read the definition of Torah but he is in denial, trying to find another complex word for Torah

MaxInDHouse:
Those settlers in Israel aren't worshiping the God of Israel as long as they don't believe in Jesus!
Know that first!
They are worshiping DEMONS. Only the JWs in that country are worshiping the God of Israel!

So the people of isrealite never made it back home?
How come the Christian god allowed the settlers/demons to dominate isreal? God’s land is been ruled by demons
And also Why then did you add the Torah from the settlers to the Bible?

MaxInDHouse:
You're just running round the circus my friend!
There is nothing called Torah in God's plan it's unbelieving Jews that's using it as a cover up for their unbelief. God inspired different writers so that at His own proper time all the books could be compiled for the benefit of true believers. That's why judaists can't benefits from their Judaism like Christians are doing globally today!

So there’s nothing called Old Testament in God’s plan? Who was forming it then?
Cause the Torah makes up for the first 5 book of the Old Testament.

MaxInDHouse:
Funny atheists!
Is it now about the economy in any country?
Well there's no country practicing what is written in either mosaic laws, Qur'an or Christ taught. So politics is all about the people and their exposure!

Worshipper of the Christian god So tell me what you are benefiting that the worshipper of the Judaist god in isreal is not? There own god is sensible and he blessed them with a good economy.

MaxInDHouse:
Have you ever listened to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES preaching before?
We are not misinformed Churchgoers whose faith is blind and dead, our own faith is working out BENEFITS in our midst!
As for Torah i have told you that unbelieving Jews are using it as an excuse to shy away from reality, God's word did not start with Torah and it will never end in Torah!

When next you call the god of isreal be specific, there are many gods there.

MaxInDHouse:
Have you ever listened to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES preaching before?
We are not misinformed Churchgoers whose faith is blind and dead, our own faith is working out BENEFITS in our midst!
As for Torah i have told you that unbelieving Jews are using it as an excuse to shy away from reality, God's word did not start with Torah and it will never end in Torah!

Right.. so don’t tell anyone to believe blindly by faith. They need reasons to believe and maybe some faith. Why are then the Christians using Torah? And the Torah is meant for unbelieving Jews?

MaxInDHouse:
You're missing out on what we're discussing.
Jews who are Jehovah's Witnesses in Israel are also enjoying whatever the government in Israel can provide just as judaists in Nigeria will also enjoy whatever the Nigerian government can provide here in Nigeria.
But in the midst of fellow believers a JWs have lots of benefits that judaists can never have!

88% of the citizen in isreal is Judaist. We also have other part like Islam 14%. Christianity is the smallest 2%. There government is Judaism, been blessed with a good economy by the Judaist god.
So tell me how are you better than an average citizen in isreal that practices Judaism.. your country that practices Christianity and Islam can you compare?

MaxInDHouse:
My friend, i said "find out the benefits then decide for yourself if it worth believing in Jesus of Nazareth"

Mind you only Jehovah's Witnesses are believers in Jesus of Nazareth not just misinformed Churchgoers, so it's the benefits that i will tell you not just blind beliefs! :

So don’t go about saying we should believe by faith alone, you go around and say we should believe by faith and reason.

Why are you using the Torah meant for the Judaist?

MaxInDHouse:
I'm not disputing their quantity but the quality of faith is what i go for Sir.
They're not enjoying the benefits of pure worship, that's what i'm saying!

Yes the Judaist god is working in isreal. Which benefit are you enjoying in Nigeria that they are not in Israel?

MaxInDHouse:
I have answered you several times but you've been programed by atheists to think it's blind beliefs.
I said "the benefits of pure worship i found in the midst of true Christians (Jehovah's Witnesses) can't be found anywhere else"

Do you now see the reasons why i believe?

So why then do you want me to believe? You just said it here that you believe because of… and you gave reasons.
Why then do you just want me to Simply believe?

MaxInDHouse:
And there are Jews who are Jehovah's Witnesses in Israel as well.
But where the love i will will enjoy among JWs is certain even a Jew in Israel can't enjoy such love! John 13:34-35

Do you now see that they've derailed from the path of pure worship?

3% of Jews are worshippers of the Christian god majority are Judaist using Torah and worshipping Judaist god.

MaxInDHouse:
I have told you that you can believe whatever you want as long as i am enjoying the benefits of pure worship I'm less concerned with whatever you choose to believe!

If it’s only belief you need, why don’t you belief the Muslim god and the Judaist god? And you are not answering my questions

MaxInDHouse:
Well i am enjoying a warm and lovely brotherhood of believers from different tribes in this country while they can only relate with their immediately families.
They can't travel outside their country and expect a warm welcome from people who never knew them before in the name of their God while i will travel to any country including Israel and Jehovah's Witnesses who are Jews will welcome me like their blood brother but Jews practicing Judaism can't enjoy such even in the midst of their own people!

The Jews practicing Judaism are in ISREAL currently, do you understand now?

MaxInDHouse:
Judaists are using our book but they can never get it's benefits!
[/b]It's like a tailor reading a book written for the purpose of training mechanical engineers, do you think such a tailor can ever design a car?
Not when he stubbornly refuse to humble himself and learn from the Mechanical engineers who understands what's in the book!
So Judaists may read our book thinking it belongs to them but ask them for it's benefits, of course it will forever remain just a book in their hands while Jehovah's Witnesses are using it to resolve all the racial disparities among many people throughout the earth! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

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The first 5 book of the Bible came from Torah. Bible copied Torah. You get now? You are the one using their book.
Since you are the one using their book we are gonna apply the bolded to Christianity.

MaxInDHouse:
You may choose whatever you wish to believe it's none of my business, if you want to know something you need to be sincere with yourself.
I have told you why i believe in the God of Israel and the benefits i'm enjoying till now, the so called Jews practicing Judaism can't enjoy the benefits i'm enjoying today, why? Because they've derailed from the path of pure worship.

Do Jews have families throughout the earth who will welcome them in any country just because they're worshipers of the true God?
Well i have Jehovah's Witnesses doing that today everywhere i go {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} and it's like we are all speaking the same language because there is understanding in our gathering {Zephaniah 3:9} for your information that's what Jesus promised Jews who keeps to God's program while unfaithful Jews were gnashing their teeth at him.
So where are the Jews and their God today?
Well come and see the God of Jehovah's Witnesses doing wonders as His worshipers are enjoying the benefits of pure worship as Jesus promised us! Mark 10:28-31

Here you go quoting Torah again, are you sure you are not a Judaist? as we see now, you believe in one of the gods of Israel, the Christian god.

The Jews are in Israel practicing Judaism, the Judaist god. What are you enjoying in Nigeria that they are not in Israel?

MaxInDHouse:
Judaists have derailed from the path of pure worship!
It's a progressive development not static.
God never gave Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob or Joseph those laws and they were his beloved worshipers.
So how come you now think people must keep what is in those laws before they can worship that same God?
The TORAH was written not for worshiper of God to keep to time indefinite rather it was given to the nation of Israel as a guide until the arrival of the Christ, so it's the Christ that will come and establish what is permanent not the TORAH!

So you agree that the first 5 book of the Bible comes solely from Torah? Why then do you use it?
And you said god is progressive, for progress to happen there must be change. So your god do change? Say one thing today another tomorrow? Give them laws when it suits and changes it when it doesn’t suit, that’s not a perfect god. More like a trial and error god, I still prefer the Judaist god, he maintained his stance and didn’t change surely the New Testament is meant for Christians and has another god.

MaxInDHouse:
We are no longer under Torah that's why those using Torah today aren't achieving anything positive because that's not what God wanted people to practice today!

So you agree that the Jews use the Torah? And the Torah is the first 5 book of the Bible?
You are not under Torah yet that’s what make up the Bible, you are contradicting yourself sir.

Where did Christianity come from? The same Jew people again, this Jews practice so many gods. God of Judaism and now another god of Christianity.

MaxInDHouse:
Torah simply means the books written by Moses, the ones the God of Abraham inspired Moses to pen down!

Today i call Him "God of Jehovah's Witnesses"

Remember that it's this same God that walked with Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob none of them practiced Judaism Sir?

So the laws God gave Moses was for a reason and after that has been accomplished it's no longer needed by worshipers of that same God. Abel, Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph all worshiped this same God without those laws given to Moses so know today that those laws were added for a purpose and after it's accomplishment it's no longer in use today among the worshipers of that same God!

You are not been sincere with the definition of Torah and you know. Torah means the first 5 books of the Bible right? Bible means collection of books. Who uses the Torah?
Is The Judaist god is the same as the Christian god?

MaxInDHouse:
The language used in writing a message doesn't count my guy.
The Chinese today are leading in the manufacturing of electronic house equipments, everything they did in their factories were done in Chinese it's only when they're marketing it that they consider the buyer's language.
So the language in which the Bible was written has nothing to do with the message in it, what really matters is the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what was written and it's BENEFITS.
If there's no benefits then there's no reason to keep it.
Jesus' teachings has brought lots and lots of BENEFITS to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES today globally that's why we believe in him!

Ooh so out of all the “Israelite tribe” it was the Jew tribe that was worthy to be written in Torah? And Torah is for Judaism(Jews), Just as allah wrote his own in arabic for Arabs, Zeus wrote his own in Greek . Well Who created those laws in Torah for who?

MaxInDHouse:
I never said Moses CREATED the Torah Sir!

I said it was the laws God gave the Israelites through his prophet Moses so the Israelites thought their God will continue to put up with their unbelief but after they discovered that He is no longer putting up with their faithlessness they divided against themselves each sect picking what soothes them.
Go and check the map then compare to what was written in the Bible you will find out that all their lands are gone the settlers living in Israel today claiming Jews are not the original Jews!

But all that is just aside what matters that after Jesus' coming and the nation as a whole rejected him their God disowned them and only Jesus' followers were accepted as worshipers of the God of Abraham.

The books of Moses was given to the Israelites as a guide until the coming of Christ note that their God never asked them to widen out not until Jesus came to establish the new covenant which allows for people from other nations to join in worshiping the God of Israel as officiating priests in the spiritual temple of the God of Israel!

Bro you still haven’t mentioned the definition of Torah and who uses it? Is it that hard? Which god was given Moses those laws? Judaist god or Christian god?
The first 5 book where you are quoting all this BS is gotten from Judaism.. Bible literally means collection of books.

MaxInDHouse:
That's a lie Sir!
They restricted themselves to that part of God's plan simply because they don't want to accept other nations as worshipers of the God of Abraham.
Those words were written for all the tribes of Israel not only Jews Sir!

You are the only one lying.. what’s the definition of Torah. Who wrote it and where is it used.. tell yourself the truth and hope you have not forgotten that Bible literally means collection of books?

Bible and Torah was also written in Hebrew, guess which region uses that language?

MaxInDHouse:
Judaism is not what Moses established, if you want to learn humble yourself and learn!

Judaism came after Jews separated themselves from Samaritans and established another religion totally different from what Moses taught them that's why it's called Judaism (meaning the religion of Jews in Judea) that's why Samaritans disagreed with them.
For your information there are 12 tribes in Israel and only two (Judah and Benjamin) formed Judaism while the remaining ten tribes of Israel were referred to as Samaritans!

Jesus is not the God of Christianity so humble yourself and learn!

Where did I say Moses established Judaism? You said Moses created laws, those laws are called Torah and the first 5 book of the Bible, and they belong to Judaism.
Tell me again what’s the definition of the Torah?

MaxInDHouse:
You're just deceiving yourself!
Jesus is a Jew so it is the continuity of what their God promised not something totally different like Arabs claiming they have anything to do with the God of Israel!
This is where Moses promised the Israelites that Jesus is coming to establish a new covenant:


The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. For this is what you asked of the LORD your God at Horeb on the day of the assembly when you said, "Let us not hear the voice of the LORD our God nor see this great fire anymore, or we will die." The LORD said to me: "What they say is good. I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. Deuteronomy 18:15-19

Peter (a Christian) said:

For Moses said, ’The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own people; you must listen to everything he tells you. Act 3:22

Now go and present what i quoted from Deuteronomy (Moses's own writings) to any Jew then ask him if such a prophet has come or when will he come?
Is it now that the nation has been scattered throughout the earth that they can figure out a prophet like that?
Sorry my friend, if you want to learn just calm down and learn there's nothing to argue about Jesus of Nazareth!

All what you said is gotten from Torah, the Torah belongs to Judaism.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, that is not TORAH!
Torah simply means the laws Moses penned down and for your information ten Israelites tribes only believe it while they rejected all the other books written by other prophets that's why the Jews look down Samaritans.
It's Isaiah and Micah that penned down those words and only Jesus Christ of Nazareth came to establish something of that nature that's why i believe in Jesus of Nazareth!

Where did you get this definition of Torah?
Have you forgotten old and New Testament?
First 5 book of the Bible is called Torah. And it’s for Judaism. Only the New Testament is for the Christian. The Old Testament is for Judaism. Jesus was Jew when was he alive, that goes to show how far this religion has been around before this Christian god copied it.
And as you said in Judaism Which “God” was given Moses laws? The Judaist god or Christian god?

MaxInDHouse:
OK you're just interested in blind arguments so go and study well before coming to argue about faith in God, even your professors in atheism know that there is no God of Quran apart from what the Arabian guy muhammad copied from the Bible!

You are wrong..
The Christian god copied from Judaism. The Arab god copied from Judaism. What’s Torah? What do Judaism say about Jesus?
I think the Arab god copied more accurately than the sloppy Christian god.

MaxInDHouse:
Exactly what i'm saying!
I can see people living around me and how they easily get provoked into carrying weapons and killing one another at the order of their elected leaders, and i can see Jehovah's Witnesses who are from different races throughout the earth trained by the God of the Bible never to raise weapons against their fellowman.
So what else do you think i need to believe in the God who promised such a global family of peace loving worshipers?

The god of Judaism said this, god of Quran said this, your own god said it. Who do we believe? And are you quoting Torah now?

MaxInDHouse:
You're just joking my friend because the God of Qur'an claimed that he was behind Moses who conquered Pharaoh of Egypt, it claimed that it was the God who breath into Maryam to get pregnant and give birth to Jesus.
So when the God of Qur'an is making claims it always refer to all the ancient servants of God who are ISRAELITES!

I asked you a question but it seems you never noticed it so i'll ask you again:

Is there any other God that has promised a global family of peace loving worshipers who will come from different races throughout the earth and resolve all their differences without raising weapons against one another? Isaiah 2:2-4
Perhaps you don't know, let me tell you that that's what the world need today not some gods that's just telling stories having no practical benefits for us today!

Have you forgotten that all the claim you said was borrowed from Torah, that’s Judaism?
So those quran claims are from Torah, what do Judaism have to say about Jesus lol?
And You also forgot to add other claims. The Quran also said Jesus is just a messenger of god and Jesus didn’t die, rather it was Judas that died.

The question you are asking is from Torah, are you saying the judaist god is the same as Christian god?

MaxInDHouse:
Have you met with the Wright Brothers?
Were you alive when Khal Benz lived?

You board flights and ride cars without knowing those people and here you are arguing about seeing something before believing in the things you can see working perfectly around you.
Why do you guys like deceiving yourselves?

I can see the cars and the jets they produced. I don’t need to SIMPLY believe it, I have reasons (I saw cars with my eyes) to believe it. Try harder

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, i was a Muslim so i know what is contained in both books and the reasonableness of both author.
Meanwhile the God of the Qur'an never claim that the God of the Bible is fake rather what he said is that the God of Israel has abandoned that nation and chosen another nation that's doing what he required.
So humble yourself and learn, you're not chatting with a baby religionist who only believe what he was told.
For your information the God of the Quran never promised anything unique, all what it's saying is heaven or hell a misconception!

Ooh so you check the reasonableness of the authors? You check the validity of the Quran and confirmed it was bad? Why don’t we check the validity of Bible too? Why are you asking me not to question those that wrote Bible, but here you are questioning those that wrote Quran? Why don’t you just SIMPLY believe?
Can you show me where allah said the god of Israel has abandoned them because in that same Quran, allah said other gods including the Christian or Judaism god is false and it will lead them to sin.
How did you know all what Quran said is misconception? How did you know?

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
Now we are here talking about a man who lived over 2000 years ago, he taught so many things and today all the things he taught is working perfectly as he said it.
How do you expect me to agree with anyone that such a teacher whose teaching is at work today never existed?

But you didn’t exist 2000 years ago, so how did you know this man existed and taught this thing? Show me what we can see that he taught?
If I need to know how a plane works even though it was created years ago before I was born.. I don’t need to simply believe, I’ll only go and learn about it with visible parts and tools then I’ll agree that someone really invented this. Can you find the same examples in which we can test it today to confirm that it was your Israelite god and not the Arabic god that invented it?

MaxInDHouse:
First of all the God of the Bible said all others claiming Gods are fallen angels (demons) and i have told you why i believe the God of the Bible.
How those books were collected, who wrote them, who agreed on the selection or why call it Bible is not important now Sir.
What really matters is that the book talked about what will happen today and it's happening exactly as it was written in that book. Moreover the Bible said people will come from different races throughout the earth to form one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers and it's so.
[/b]Do you think i need to start asking questions about who invented the aeroplane, how it was fueled, how it was manufactured before i board a flight?[b]
My friend, just humble yourself and learn.
The Bible has proved to be more than just a book because there's more to it than just what people like you think about books!

First of all the god in the Quran said all other gods including the Israelite god is false too.
You don’t know how those book were collected and you simply believe it, why don’t you also simply believe Quran that also talked about what the Bible said and if not even more, don’t question the history or those that wrote Quran Just believe it since we shouldn’t question it according to the bolded..