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Idehn:
This is not true at all. The God character of the bible is quite cruel and vindictive.

Commanding followers right up front, to kill anyone who hates it.

Telling its followers that it is a jealous being and will personally destroy completely anyone who worships another.
Deuteronomy 28:15-68. 29:19-20 are just one big list of curses. Under some circumstance all of them will be met out as punishment. Curses include people being forced to cannibalize their own children.
If one ignores the God character, it will actually take pleasure in your suffering and do nothing about it.
More eating of children
Hosts of other verses of the bible show that the God character in the Bible is very cruel and very vindictive.

Idehn. Dont get the wrong end of the stick, you are misunderstanding what was happening in all those referenced verses

Who or what do you deem is better than God?

So God's morale fiber is under scrutiny now? Is it?

What is blessing? What is curse?

Anyway "The hosts of other verses of the bible show that the God character in the Bible is very cruel and very vindictive" is a trumped up charge.

When we eventually work out, how God hardened Pharaoh's heart, you'll find that your premise that God is cruel and vindictive will fall flat on it's face

[center]And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper Romans 1:28[/center]

InesQor:
@mazee

How did God harden Pharaoh's heart?

This is the same question as, how does a ball fall hard when it is released from a great height?

It is "allowed" to do so. There is the natural law of gravity which makes things faster.

Pharaoh was worshipped in Egypt as the token or icon of Ra, the rising sun. It was a big insult for a man to show up and demand that slaves be allowed to go worship and serve another God. Bigger insult when its your adopted brother and childhood friend leading them. Biggest insult when this stammerer and weakling begins to wreak havoc with plagues and the people begin to believe him. In essence, Moses as a token beat Pharaoh as a token. So the God of Israel is superior to Ra. Nobody would take Egypt serious anymore.

God took the simple Moses to confound the excellent Pharaoh.

He allowed Pharaoh's pride to defeat him. That's the hardening. Maybe if He had shown up with a thousand angels and flaming swords and grenades, Pharaoh would have surrendered fast. But God hardened the guy's heart by sending mere pawns to face him. His pride and the name of Egypt made his heart hard.

In summary God hardened his heart by allowing his pride to drown him.

petres_007. The esteemed InesQor has taken a first cut

InesQor gave a good account that God hardened Pharaoh's heart by allowing Pharaoh's pride to drown Pharaoh

It would had been a bonus if InesQor, with simple and believable examples, had described how God actually hardened Pharaoh's heart

InesQor said "But God hardened the guy's heart by sending mere pawns to face him"

That is how God hardened Pharaoh's heart? Is that it?

petres_007, its a good dig but honestly thought InesQor will be more convincing, more credible, more elementary, more plausible than that

InesQor's facts are 100%. InesQor estimation or assessment of Pharaoh's psyche or physio mentally is spot on

It is the sequence of events on how exactly God hardened Pharaoh's heart that seems to be indescribable in what InesQor submitted

How God hardened Pharaoh's heart is beggaring description.

Pharaoh's increasingly inflating ego obviously was a factor, this in line with InesQor's flow but how and inconjunction with what if that maybe asked

How did God allow the heart to harden? How did He do it?

How did God achieve this? How did God allow? How?

[center]Keep thy heart more than anything that is guarded; for out of it are the issues of life - Pro 4:23[/center]

mazee:
petres_007. Without mincing words, please explain and enlighten us how God lent a hand in hardening Pharaoh's heart.

With examples or an illustration for clarity, tell or show us, how God did or could have done it. Harden Pharaoh's heart.

petres_007:
I was referring to these:

Ex 4:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, When thou goest to return into Egypt,
see that thou do all those wonders before Pharaoh, which I have put in thine hand:
but I will harden his heart, that he shall not let the people go.


Ex 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt.

As for HOW GOD could have hardened pharaoh's heart, I'm not sure I understand what you're after.

petres_007. It was obvious you were referring to Ex 4:21 and Ex 7:3

There is no ulterior motive or hidden agenda,

just seizing the opportunity of you bringing up "God lent a hand in hardening Pharaoh's heart"

What I am after and strongly hoping, is that you step up to the plate and do an exegesis on Ex 4:21 and Ex 7:3 and about how God hardened Pharaoh's heart.

I mean give an exposition, provide us with critical explanations on or descriptions of how God hardened Pharaoh's heart

The Ex 4:21 and Ex 7:3 texts are quoting God saying He will harden Pharaoh's heart

To the uninitiated or an uninformed reader of the texts, the sheer thought of God hardening people's hearts sounds like God is vindictive or cruel.

Of course God is not vindictive or cruel, He is not even remotely close.

God doesnt do vindictive or cruel, that's more up the devil's alley.

So maybe, if, how God hardened Pharaoh's heart, is described, possibly with examples, then captivity will be led captive with its captives set free

Consider if you were God during that period, how possibly, would you have hardened Pharaoh's heart?

How would or could the hardening have been done? How could the hardening process be described?

[center]a text used without a context is a pretext || a verse quoted without a converse is adverse[/center]

petres_007:
Well, at least you agree the context for this verse was different. But I beg to disagree that a verse's context is not the major thing because it is. That's what tells you what the verse means as a bunch of the same words (in the same order) can mean different things entirely, depending on the context.

I also disagree with your principle of God withdrawing after "struggling" with humans for some time. This is not so, sir. IMHO, God never struggles with humans. A case in point (plus all the background gist God had given Moses) would be Pharaoh's refusal to let the Hebrews go willingly. God wasn't striving with Pharaoh. He knew beforehand that Pharaoh would prove stubborn and even lent a hand in hardening his heart, all to one end.  .  . 

Maybe you should provide more examples of this just so we're clear.

My eyes are beginning to get sticky now o [yawns] 
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@Noetic,

My take is that he tries too hard to make everything line up with Oyaksian theology, instead of studying the scriptures and arriving at conclusions objectively.

If he could only put aside his allegiance to Oyaks and whatever personal interests he may have.  .  .

petres_007. Without mincing words, please explain and enlighten us how God lent a hand in hardening Pharaoh's heart.

With examples or an illustration for clarity, tell or show us, how God did or could have done it. Harden Pharaoh's heart.

[center]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLTFoUkNpuE
Paramount Marauder on BBC's Top Gear[/center]

PAGAN  9JA:
prove me wrong.

NO!
[center]That is because you're crazy - Ingenious IKEA commercial 2002[/center]

Azibalua:
The term Pentecostals have been used consistently with most Christian denominations, but are Christians really Pentecostals.
Taking into cognisance the fact that on the day the Jews from every nation gathered to celebrate Pentecost those who were in the upper room and were not celebrating received the holy ghost thus should they be called Pentecostals.
Only serious imputes please

The term "Pentecostal" actually is an American hijacked export.

Whilst we're on the subject, furthermore "Pentecostal" to some degree has similar connotation with "Charismatic"

In fact, it was the Christian groups founded in American in the late 19th and early 20th centuries which laid emphasis on "speaking in tongues", "healings" plus "spiritual fervor" or"spontaneous worship" that were called or given the tag "Pentecostal"

It was in around 1901 from the Bethel Bible College, Topeka, Kansas and 1906 from Azusa Street in Los Angeles, California where tongues were spoken, that the "Pentecostal" signs and wonders etc movement started.

In spite of this info, in truth and its real sense "Pentecostal" is actually about "Pentecost"

Pentecost been the 50th day after Jesus' resurrection and the day when the Holy Spirit descended on the Church.

It is no secret that because so call "Pentecostals" lately have been up to mischiefs of all sorts or the other, they have now come to be called "Penterascals"


[center]The Free Will Paradox[/center]

No case of Snake Oil Salesmanship here:

1 Kings 17:1-16

1Now Elijah the Tishbite, from Tishbea  in Gilead, said to Ahab,
“As the Lord,  the God of Israel, lives, whom I serve, there will be neither dew nor rain in the next few years except at my word.”

2Then the word of the Lord came to Elijah:

3“Leave here, turn eastward and hide in the Kerith Ravine, east of the Jordan.

4You will drink from the brook, and I have ordered the ravens to feed you there.”

5So he did what the Lord had told him. He went to the Kerith Ravine, east of the Jordan, and stayed there.

6The ravens brought him bread and meat in the morning and bread and meat in the evening, and he drank from the brook.

7Some time later the brook dried up because there had been no rain in the land.

8Lord came to him: 9“Go at once to Zarephath of Sidon and stay there. I have commanded a widow in that place to supply you with food.” 10So he went to Zarephath

Note this implies both heard from God. The prophet and the woman, she particularly had received an advanced command

When he came to the town gate, a widow was there gathering sticks.

He called to her and asked, “Would you bring me a little water in a jar so I may have a drink?”

11As she was going to get it, he called, “And bring me, please, a piece of bread.”

12“As surely as the Lord your God lives,” she replied, “I don’t have any bread—only a handful of flour in a jar and a little oil in a jug.
I am gathering a few sticks to take home and make a meal for myself and my son, that we may eat it—and die.”

Prophet comforts and reassures woman:

Note in sharing of what woman and child have, the prophet's modesty of asking for small and the absence of any psychological tactics or mind manipulations here and

13Elijah said to her, to her, “Don’t be afraid. Go home and do as you have said.

But first make a small cake of bread for me from what you have and bring it to me, and then make something for yourself and your son."

Prophet then sets woman's mind at rest with this guarantee:

14For this is what the Lord, the God of Israel, says: ‘The jar of flour will not be used up and the jug of oil will not run dry until the day the Lord  gives rain on the land.’”

With a restored confidence woman went away and did as the prophet told her.

Win-win ending for both prophet and woman:

15She went away and did as Elijah had told her.

So there was food every day for Elijah and for the woman and her family.

16For the jar of flour was not used up and the jug of oil did not run dry, in keeping with the word of the Lord spoken by Elijah.

Just have to love 1 Kings 17:1-16. There were commands, bidirectional. Both parties had commands.

The most of times and 100% one way, it is flesh that is commanding most pastors and those not churchwise easily fall for their type

Did not even know until now that 1 Kings 17:8-16  was even mentioned in the attached

[center]All lies, all evil deeds stink. Can cover them up for a while but not forever[/center]

Every day people are straying and staying away from the church and going back to God

okeyxyz:
i'd just copied your code & made d corrections myself & d following is d result. i'd not added anything to try make it better, just your exact code with corrections as i directed. i'd compiled it & it works. i used borland C++ compiler. try it on urs & let me know. cheers.


#include<iostream.h>
   float convert (float);
   int main()
{
float Tempfer;
float Tempcel;
   cout<<"please enter the temp in fahrenhiet";
   cin>>Tempfer;
   Tempcel=convert(Tempfer);
   cout<<" In here's is the temperature in celcius";
   cout<<Tempcel<<endl;
   return 0;
}

float convert (float Tempfer)
{
   float Tempcel;
   Tempcel=((Tempfer-32)*5)/9;
   return Tempcel;
}

#include<iostream.h> should be #include<iostream>

#include<iostream.h> is used in C

without the .h

#include<iostream> is used in C++

Enigma:
Like:

"Reverend" King
"Archbishop" Gilbert Deya
Robert Tilton
Peter Popoff
Todd Bentley
"Reverend" Douglas Goodman
"Bishop" Earl Paulk
"Pastor" Albert Odulele
"Bishop" Eddie Long

Why does this Joagbaje fellow insist on talking through his backside? Once any fool calls himself "pastor" (etc) and draws a crowd unto himself (like Oyakhilome) we must accept that they are anointed of God? Pull another one!

Joagbaje alert. Joagbaje, the most of times is 404. Clueless
I am not sure of the ". . . talking through his backside . . ." feat.
Wow! bet that would be a crowd puller if Joagbaje can talk through his backside
but anyway I've realised that he rabbits on with severe case of verbal diarrhoea

[center]"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act" - George Orwell[/center]

nuclearboy:
^^ check my profile and past posts and you will know

nuclearboy was a joke playing along with you
only saying an eraser might come in handy with the 2b and paper to wipe out truths you jotted down that later turned out to be otherwise

Reprobate mind

[center]Since they thought it foolish to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their foolish thinking and let them do things that should never be done[/center]

dare2think:
How do you know these pastors are anointed?

Did God tell you he anointed them or did he anoint them in your presence?

What parameters do we "judge" the perceived anointed? Large crowd? Perfoming miracles on tv? show of wealth from these individuals?

Please someone explain to me, what qualities do the "anointed" possess before we conclude that they are anointed?

As children of God is the "touch not my anointed" not applicable to everyone rather than some purpoted ones who want to shy away from criticism and want to gain control of the minds of their "subjects" without wanting to be questioned?

Joagbaje:
The word anointed has multiple use. It referes to an office, it also refers to an empowerment .

If a man functions in an office . He is Gods  anointed by the virtue of that office. If a man receives ability ,empowerment ,a grace , it is also call an anointing. Jesus was the anointed (chosen one) that's an office . Even when he hadn't received an empowerment , he was the elect, anointed, but this anointing meant to be the chosen one. Later in life at the age of 30, he received an empowerment when he received the holyghost , the anointing came on him. So if someone functions in an office as a pastor for example , he is Gods anointed, this is by the virtue of the office he occupies.

I'm sure my answer above clears the second question.

It's about the office, not about the person. those who function in leadership are anointed by the virtue of that office.

Has nothing to do with the office but rather purpose and person

Anointing is for purpose, it is purpose driven

The purpose is constant and not a variable

It is the person that is the determining factor whether anointing stays or leaves

King Saul continued reigning even after the anointing has departed him

King Saul functioned in an "office" so was he still God's anointed by the virtue of that "office"?

King Saul continued functioning in leadership by virtue of the crown but without an anointing, is not it?

God must have gone soft. Samson was not that lucky

David was anointed, a king in waiting. Inspite of the anointing he did not become king until King Saul's death

Yes, Jesus was The Chosen One, The Anointed One and just like David too waited to do things properly

God is not a law breaker if it can be helped

Jesus was going through the motions. The empowerment was just a performance to follow the rules

John the Baptist knew this which is why he baulking from baptising Jesus

Jesus was purpose driven. He knew what He was on Earth for

Dont joke with the mob. The Mafia of the day. The pharisees and The Great Sanhedrin

It's not like nowadays that any Tom, D:ck, or Sally can set up church and start preaching just like that

There was the legal age, 30 part, which is what Jesus waited to be before going PLC

The pharisees and Sanhedrin would have caught Him out on it if otherwise

Sadly not all that function in an office, pastors for example, are God anointed.

The God anointing is not by virtue of an office or position occupeid.

Adam was spiritually dead but although the power had gone he still was able to hear God in the garden.

Some yesterday's pastors, have been known to live off a departed anointing's lingering or residual power and the congregation are none the wiser

[center]they love to be greeted in the marketplaces and to have men call them 'Rabbi.'[/center]

nuclearboy:
Thank you jare!

"sits down with 2B pencil and exercise book" waiting eagerly

with an eraser or rubber too?
Or the 2B pencil is one of those with an eraser at the end
Clever! or what?

Dulcet7:
No problems, mazee.

[center]May you come to the attention of powerful people.
May you find what you are looking for.[/center]

Dulcet7 aye Proverbs 18:16 A man's gift maketh room for him, and bringeth him before great men.

Found one and hoping to share using an eureka-led style

[center]Sir you are a giant shoulder high among men[/center]

Dulcet7:
Thanks mazee. I appreciate your submissions; and maybe - at least in the places you hereby disagree - maybe mine are wrong.

However, I said nothing is ever dormant or latent with God (even Eden's events) because I once saw the following verse in the Bible

Isaiah 46:10 (NLT)
Only I can tell you the future before it even happens. Everything I plan will come to pass, for I do whatever I wish.
Who, What = The Messiah, The Anointed One

By the way, I followed the link to Pullman's book and read more than half (10 chapters out of 15) and yet I don't think it can be convincing to any honest reader as fact rather than mere fiction; considering historical (non-Biblical) evidence. I think it's a load of hogwash.

Remain blessed.

Dulcet7:
Alright that's great.

If you believe God sent Jesus, then I likewise believe that with God nothing is ever latent, dormant or embryonic. Nothing is perchance, all is

Dulcet7 My bad, Of course you are right. I have re-read the submission. Facepalm!

I misread the above quote, I thought you wrote God does not leave things latent, dormant or embryonic

That is why I referenced death in Eden which before was dormant but came alive and active when sin was committed

Of course God is omniscient but does not mean things are not latent, dormant etc at some point or time

Pullman's book is fiction, he is not claiming otherwise. Each to his own

but a lot are spiritually immature and easily fooled to believe every other worthless or alternate pathetic  "gospel"

You sure did give it a go

[center]May you live in interesting times[/center]

Dulcet7:
@mazee

Thanks for the clarification sir.

@femmy2010

Hello there. At the time in which the law applied, people married as many wives as they wanted so having a wife already is no issue.

God made Moses pass it into law because of the people's wickedness. A man dies, and his relatives would wickedly leave the widow to fend for herself, helpless. So God said the brother should take her in, and also give her children. If he takes her in and refuses to impregnate her, like Onan did, he is trying to be smart by sleeping with the woman (enjoying her) but leaving her without an inheritance in case he dies. That is also wicked.

In today's world, we have legal systems that can cater for these kinds of problems; a man can write a will to help his wife in case he dies.

Have a great weekend.

Dulcet7 that was not clarification

Spotted a "Moses moment" so did an Aaron-and-Hur step in, to stay your hands up

Dulcet7:
Alright that's great.
If you believe God sent Jesus, then I likewise believe that with God nothing is ever latent, dormant or embryonic. Nothing is perchance, all is planned ahead of time; even if titles like "Christ" are not ascribed on time - they were always there.
'Jesus' is not translated or transliterated from / into 'The Christ' in any language, but they are one and the same person.

In better words than I can muster:
Again, in better words than I can use:

The Christ.
Hair-splitting aside, I meant God's promise to Jews (descendants of Abraham) and not to Jews (Judah and the post-remnants of Israel after the Bablyonian captivity).

---

This pretty much sums up the case:

Acts 10:38
How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.

Anointed = Christ
Jesus of Nazareth = Jesus

Philip Pullman, like all men, is entitled to his opinion and it cannot be taken away from him until he releases it. As it is said, one cannot argue a man into a position that he did not argue himself into.

Of course I believe, God sent God. God sent Himself!

but you were on your own beyond the above statement.

I lagged behind when you made that flagrant assumption that  ". . . with God nothing is ever latent, dormant or embryonic . . ."

Was death not latent in Eden? Was death not dormant in Eden?

The "title"? Surely it must be more than just a mere title

Of course, the title, it always was ascribed but not recognised when He came to His own nor recognised by those that met Him

It is mutually agreed that Jesus and Christ are the same and one person just like Simon and Peter et al are the same person and one person

Hmm. Jesus? Christ? Those were the questions. Who. What.

Philip Pullman and others like Dan Brown are amusing. God must be laughing His rockers off at their nastiness and small-mindedness

If christians are unable to explain convincely what is & who is Jesus and Christ,

then suppose its OK for the likes of Philip, Dan etc having a field day twisting defining and perverting explaining them

http://www.freebooks4u.net/fantasticfiction/GoodMan-Jesus-and-the-Scoundrel-Christ.html

https://www1.picturepush.com/photo/a/5954584/img/5954584.jpg

http://www.freebooks4u.net/fantasticfiction/GoodMan-Jesus-and-the-Scoundrel-Christ.html

[center]"What is truth?" - Pontius Pilate[/center]

[img]http://bks0.books.google.com/books?id=7FUtpV81w_gC&printsec=frontcover&img=1&zoom=1[/img]
[center]We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything - Thomas A. Edison [/center]

Dulcet7:
Hello Mazee, how's the kingdom?

"Jesus", "saviour" was a promisory name. "For he shall save, "

"Christ", "the anointed one" is the fulfilment of this promise, proof to the promised Jews that God does not forget his promises.

"Jesus the Christ", the saviour anointed to save. When did Jesus become Christ? At the beginning of his ministry when The Father anointed Him to work.

"The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,  to bring good tidings to the poor, strengthen the weak, release the oppressed, "
I paraphrased, but that was when Jesus became Christ.

The Kingdom is getting repopulated and the gates of hell are increasingly buckling

"Jesus officially became Christ at the beginning of His ministry when The Father anointed Him to work"

OK. So are you saying Christ was latent or embryonic in Jesus?

Are you also saying Christ was dormant, was inactive in Jesus until the baptism?

Or are you saying Christ was absent or nonexistent in Jesus before baptism?

What is Jesus?

Greek:Christ and Hebrew:Messiah

Who is Christ? Christ is "the anointed one" - the fulfilment of the promise, proof to the promised Jews that God does not forget his promises

OK. Then what is the anointing? What is the "the anointed one" then? What is Christ?

1 Samuel 16:1;13-14
1And the LORD said unto Samuel, How long wilt thou mourn for Saul, seeing I have rejected him from reigning over Israel? fill thine horn with oil, and go, I will send thee to Jesse the Bethlehemite: for I have provided me a king among his sons.
13Then Samuel took the horn of oil, and anointed him in the midst of his brethren:
and the Spirit of the LORD came upon David from that day forward. So Samuel rose up, and went to Ramah.
14But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.

Luke 2:40
And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him.

[center]". . . proof to the promised Jews that God does not forget his promises . . ."
Promised the Jews?
Note: Matthew 15:24 I have only been sent to the lost sheep of the house of Israel
not house of Judah[/center]

"JESUS" and "CHRIST" ?
Who is Jesus? Who is Christ?

The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ is a novel by Philip Pullman.

atheistic author Philip Pullman puts forward his own version of fiction

The Good Man Jesus and the Scoundrel Christ is a novel by Philip Pullman.

Published at Easter 2010 by Canongate Books,
it tells the story of Jesus as if he were two people, "Jesus" and "Christ," with contrasting personalities;

Jesus being a moral and godly man, and his brother Christ a calculating figure who wishes to use Jesus' legacy to found a powerful Church.

The book has attracted controversy, as well as hate mail sent to Pullman by Christian fundamentalists threatening him with damnation.

In Pullman's own words,
"The story I tell comes out of the tension within the dual nature of Jesus Christ, but what I do with it is my responsibility alone.

Parts of it read like a novel, parts like history, and parts like a fairy tale; I wanted it to be like that because it is, among other things, a story about how stories become stories.

[center]Nonsense on stilts![/center]

KunleOshob:
the above quote aptly explains the charlatan nature of most our penterascal preachers in their nairaland representative (joagbaje) who is always trying to obscure simple biblical truth with so called revelation knowledge 'revealed' to the chief charlatan Oyaks himself.

Joagbaje:
Why dont you just give your own explanation if you have any. Are you missing me?

It is explanations that is AWOL here
[center]Virtues don’t happen in a vacuum[/center]

femmy2010:
There is a particular place in the old testament where it is stated that if an husband dies that the broda 2 d husband should marry the widow?(help me with d verse).

There was a time and place for that
Was done back then to preserve the family line way
This before Dulcet7's reference
Onan was the first casualty of the authoritative order
He was not done for "wringing the turkey's neck"
but for wilfully flouting the authoritative order, having and doing it his way
Moses made this official or formal by virtue the Levirate marriage law

[center]God's last name is not "Dammit"[/center]

Dulcet7:
Jesus => became => Christ

It is like walking on egg shells here, likely hear a pin if it drops here
So they are not twins then
How did Jesus => become => Christ?

[center]God is not the name of God, but an opinion about Him.[/center]

"JESUS" and "CHRIST" ?
What and who are they?
What is Jesus? What is Christ?
Who is Jesus? Who is Christ?
Twins?
Are they twins?
[center]A charlatan makes obscure what is clear; a thinker makes clear what is obscure - Hugh Kingsmill[/center]

Who is Abram? Who is Abraham?

Who is Sarai? Who is Sarah?

Who is Jacob? Who is Israel?

Who is Simon? Who is Peter?

Who is Saul? Who is Paul?

"Jesus" and "Christ" ?

Mark 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

Who and what are they?

Who is Jesus? Who is Christ?

What is Jesus? What is Christ?  Huh Huh Huh

[center]When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished." He bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.[/center]

mabell:
JESUS, the anointed one
CHRIST, His anointing

[img width=350 height=400]http://thepqnation.com/livingwicked/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/803205-holy_facepalm_super.jpg[/img]
[center]JESUS, Saviour | CHRIST, The Anointed One[/center]

Anything is possible if you don't know what you're talking about
[center]And this too, shall pass[/center]

If a person calls himself or herself a Christian, but does not follow (nor even understand) basic principles of Christianity, what's the point?

Anyone can claim to be of any faith they choose, but unless that religion meaningfully informs and influences that person's life,

it's hard to see the value in claiming to follow that faith.

http://news.discovery.com/human/atheists-best-informed-about-religion.html

[center]in God I trust; I will not be afraid. What can mortal man do to me?[/center]

Mark 5:8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

Who and what are they? 
Who is Jesus? Who is Christ? 
What is Jesus? What is Christ? 
[center]^{Got truth decay? Brush up on your Bible!}[/center]

"Jesus" and "Christ" ?
[center]^{To learn about Christianity, the best place to go is the Bible itself}[/center]