lawani: My book is about ifa and i used ifa to answer several questions about human existence but i am not claiming my positions are absolute truths. My book is not a holy book but an academic submission.
Do you mean that Ifa has not revealed the absolute truth to you since you communicate directly with Ifa through divination?
Whyai: It's personal, and with respect, it's absolutely none of your business. I share why i hold an opinion on a topic and others share theirs.
Do You mean you share negative opinion on a religion and you keep the opinion of the true religion from others? Would that actually be setting people free?
lawani: The world has been turned upside down with 'holy books' and they are said to be unquestionable. They have gotten people hypnotized with threats of damnation and etc for people that attempt to peer review those books. It is high time we rise against religion by approaching spirituality academically and that is what i am doing with my upcoming book.
So your book has nothing to do Ifa, It is targeted at other religious book?
lawani: God does not write books. Only human beings do that. My book will hopefully come out before the end of 2024 and many things will be explained therein. I got my information via IFA divination
You mean Ifa has been communicating with only you? If no, why do you need to write a book?
Whyai: For some within Christendom, scholarly corrections may be perceived as threats to the integrity of the faith, particularly when they seem to contradict long-held beliefs or official church teachings.
For example, New Testament scholars like Bert Ehrman maintains that Jesus cannot be God, pointing to the fact that it is only in the gospel of john that Jesus starts calling himself god, as opposed to the 6 earlier Sources.
Ehrman doesn't hold this belief alone. He shares it with many other scholars, and the video link is also available below.
I am personally convinced that if a billion Christians get a fair hearing on these matters, if they ask questions and get objective response, the population will be less than 5% of what it is now.
Videos below:
For those concerned about why I make these posts. I don't have any problem with Christians. Like many Africans, I have family members who are Christians because they were born in it. I do this for them because they held the faith without knowledge, and a little scrutiny is what Christianity needs to fall apart. I have achieved my aim with them, and now I'm extending the hand to people.
Learning Christianity outside the church will shake you to your core. No one should gate-keep knowledg just so people dont leave a religion.
BigTolulope: Exodus 4:11 Then the Lord said to him, “Who has made man's mouth? Who makes him mute, or deaf, or seeing, or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?
lawani: Differences between the Gods of religion and Olodumare of Yoruba spirituality.
Olodumare has 400 deputies and takes only peer reviewed decisions unlike Allah that has no peers.
Olodumare like a true CEO or King never stands up to do anything by itself unlike Allah that has no need for helpers. It and not He or she is used because spirits do not have gender in heaven but only have gender of current or last incarnation.
Olodumare unlike Jehovah is not omniscient. Olodumare is a spirit and spirits only have access to all knowledge known to all human beings dead or alive and not more than that. They can liaise with each other to get any needed knowledge but what has never been known to any human being at all is not known to any irunmale or spirit so far Earth is concerned.
Olodumare unlike Jehovah and Allah is not a jealous being. It has peers and those peers just like Olodumare are spirits of ancestors that can be worshiped by those on Earth that are their children.
Olodumare does not forgive people their sins as you have to sort yourself out with who you offended by Olodumare’s rules.
Note
According to my IFA research, only a mature spirit with last or current incarnation as female can enter the God grid and once you enter the God grid you will remain inside for three hundred years during all of which you can only incarnate as female. There are tens of thousands of spirits inside the God grid and there are also millions of unincarnated spirits in the grid as well. Therefore if Olodumare has a gender, that gender is female but spirits do not really have gender. However the roles they play in heaven in relation to Earth is determined by the gender of their last or current incarnation.
How did you get all this information? Does Olodumare have a book that we can read to get to know him?
telleyway: AN OPEN CORRECTION TO Reno Omokri $10,000 challenge: Understanding the Greek Terms Θεόν and Θεὸς in John 1:1
Dear Mr. Reno, My attention was drawn to your post last night, where you attempted to correct one Oluoha on the Trinity and even pledged $10,000, as you often do, but ended up in a theological fallacy. You made many claims in that post, which I hope to correct later. However, one of your claims caught my attention and it refers to your fallacious eisegesis (the interpretation of a biblical text by reading into it one's own ideas) of John 1:1, claiming that “the words translated God are 'Θεόν and Θεὸς.' They are two different words. One of them, Θεόν, refers to He who sits on the Throne. The other, Θεὸς refers to God, but not He who sits on the Throne. It is the word you use for sons of God who sits on the Throne.”
Sadly, you have used this argument for a long time and it seemed that no one had called you to order or corrected you. Today, I stand to debunk your false claims and correct you. Also, dear friends, if you are reading this post, I crave your indulgence to patiently read till the end. I have numbered the points to make the reading easier:
Now, returning to John 1:1, the original Greek text reads: Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος. (In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God)
Let me break it down: 1. "πρὸς τὸν Θεόν" is translated as "with God": Here, every Greek scholar knows that the term “Θεόν” (God) is the accusative case of “Θεός,” (God) used because the preposition πρὸς (meaning "toward" or "with" requires an accusative form. This is called concordance. This phrase translates to "with God" and refers to the Father. In Biblical Greek studies, it can be understood that the accusative case simply shows the object of the preposition, and it doesn't imply a difference in nature or substance from the nominative case “Θεὸς” (God).
2. "καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος" (and God was the Word / or the Word was God): In this phrase, Θεὸς is in the nominative case because it is the subject of the clause. The nominative case is used to describe the nature or essence of the subject—in this case, ὁ Λόγος (the Word). This structure shows that the Word (Logos) shares the same divine nature as Θεός (God).
3. Unfortunately, you lack true knowledge of Biblical Greek, yet you claim that you read the Bible in original languages, particularly Greek, but embarrassed yourself when you attempted to defend yourself by saying that “the words translated God are 'Θεόν and Θεὸς.' They are two different words. One of them, Θεόν, refers to He who sits on the Throne. The other, Θεὸς refers to God, but not He who sits on the Throne.” If you (Mr. Reno) had known better you wouldn’t have used that porous argument.
4. Now, I'll demonstrate biblically that even the word “Θεὸς” which you claimed is not for the Father who sits on the Throne is frequently used for the same God the Father who sits on the throne. The difference between Θεὸς and Θεόν is not in their meaning but in their grammatical cases. Θεὸς is nominative, while Θεόν is accusative. Both refer to the same God, and the use of different cases is dictated by the structure of the sentences in Greek, not by a difference in identity or substance. Needless to say, Reno’s false argument that Θεὸς refers to a different being or a lesser divine entity is contradicted by other passages in the New Testament where Θεὸς clearly refers to the Father.
5. For example: in John 3:16, we read: "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life." The original Greek version reads: "Οὕτως γὰρ ἠγάπησεν ὁ Θεὸς τὸν κόσμον, ὥστε τὸν υἱὸν τὸν μονογενῆ ἔδωκεν, ἵνα πᾶς ὁ πιστεύων εἰς αὐτὸν μὴ ἀπόληται ἀλλ᾽ ἔχῃ ζωὴν αἰώνιον."
6. In 1 Corinthians 8:6, we read: "Yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live…” The original Greek version also reads: "ἀλλ᾽ ἡμῖν εἷς Θεὸς ὁ Πατὴρ, ἐξ οὗ τὰ πάντα καὶ ἡμεῖς εἰς αὐτόν"
7. 1 Peter 1:3, we read: "Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ!" The original Greek version also reads: "Εὐλογητὸς ὁ Θεὸς καὶ πατὴρ τοῦ κυρίου ἡμῶν Ἰησοῦ Χριστοῦ"
8. Now, this same word Θεὸς which we have seen referring to God the Father was equally used by Saint Thomas the Apostle to address Christ in John 20:28: “When Thomas sees the risen Christ, he exclaims, "My Lord and my God (Θεός)!" Here, Θεός is used in the nominative case to refer to Jesus, affirming His divinity in the same way Θεός is used in the nominative case for the Father.
9. And to further affirm this reality, God the Father in Hebrews 1:8 used the same word Θεός (God) to directly refer to His Son (our Lord Jesus Christ) affirming His divinity. That is, the Father also called Jesus God. Here’s the verse in English and original Greek version: A. English: "But about the Son He says, 'Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.'" B. Greek: "πρὸς δὲ τὸν υἱόν• Ὁ θρόνος σου, ὁ Θεός, εἰς τὸν αἰῶνα τοῦ αἰῶνος, καὶ ἡ ῥάβδος τῆς εὐθύτητος ῥάβδος τῆς βασιλείας σου."
10. While Mr. Reno claims to know Greek and read Scripture in original Greek, what he does not know is that Greek, like many inflected languages, uses different cases to indicate the function of a noun, pronoun, or adjective in a sentence. There are five primary cases in Ancient Greek: Nominative, Genitive, Dative, Accusative, and Vocative.
A. NOMINATIVE: Subject or predicate nominative. Here God is written as Θεός (Theos) — used for the subject of a sentence. Example: Ὁ Θεός ἐστιν ἀγάπη. ("God is love.". This same spelling of God changes in other cases. A clear example is seen in John 1:1 and other verses I cited above in the original Greek version
B. GENITIVE: Possession, origin, relationship ("of" or "from". Here, God is written as Θεοῦ (Theou) — used to show possession, origin, or relationship. Example: ἡ χάρις τοῦ Θεοῦ. ("The grace of God." A clear example is seen in Romans 1:16 in the original Greek version.
C. DATIVE: Indirect object, means, manner, location ("to," "for," or "by". Here, God is written as Θεῷ (Theōi) — used for the indirect object or to show means, manner, or location. Example: προσεύχομαι τῷ Θεῷ. ("I pray to God." A clear example is seen in Acts 20:32 in the original Greek version.
D. ACCUSATIVE: Direct object, extent of space or time ("whom" or "what". Here, God is written as Θεόν (Theon) — used for the direct object of a sentence. Example: Ὁρῶ τὸν Θεόν. ("I see God.", which is similar to John 1:1 “…with God”, which Reno erroneously interpreted to mean a different and bigger God. Another clear example is seen in Matthew 22:37 in the original Greek version.
E. VOCATIVE: Direct address (calling out to someone). Here, God is written as Θεέ (Thee) — used when directly addressing God. Example: Ὦ Θεέ, εἰσάκουσόν μου. ("O God, hear me." A clear example is seen in Matthew 27:46 in the original Greek version.
11. Notice that each case changes the ending of the noun, pronoun, or adjective, which helps determine the word’s function in the sentence, making Ancient Greek a highly inflected language.
12. In another Scriptural verse, Jesus is addressed as God (Θεοῦ - Genitive case) as seen in Acts 20:28: "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood." (Greek: προσέχετε ἑαυτοῖς καὶ παντὶ τῷ ποιμνίῳ ἐν ᾧ ὑμᾶς τὸ πνεῦμα τὸ ἅγιον ἔθετο ἐπισκόπους ποιμαίνειν τὴν ἐκκλησίαν τοῦ Θεοῦ, ἣν περιεποιήσατο διὰ τοῦ ἰδίου αἵματος). In this verse, "God" (Θεοῦ in genitive) is contextually understood to refer to Jesus since it speaks of the church purchased with His blood, directly attributing the divine title to Christ.
13. Having established this, I dare to say that the argument of Reno is based on a gross misinterpretation and ignorance of the original Greek, which intentionally seeks to undermine the doctrine of the Trinity as presented in Scripture. I hereby challenge Mr. Reno to counter this scriptural exegesis of mine openly or even get ready for a debate, where I would not hesitate to lecture him on biblical Greek.
14. Since he has vowed on his honour, I look forward to seeing his response.
Ok.....Why does the Apostle Paul also used the same Greek word that is used to mean that Jesus is the Almighty God in John 1:1 also for the Devil in 2 Corinthians 4:4?
Does that mean that the Devil is also the Almighty God?
Christianity Etc › Re: Differences Between The Gods Of Religion And Olodumare Of Yoruba Spirituality. by Michael547(m): 6:15pm On Aug 16, 2024
requires an accusative form. This is called concordance. This phrase translates to "with God" and refers to the Father. In Biblical Greek studies, it can be understood that the accusative case simply shows the object of the preposition, and it doesn't imply a difference in nature or substance from the nominative case “Θεὸς” (God).