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seunowa:
What is your understanding of who Christ Jesus is? I think I need to know

John 14:28 and John 3:16 answers that question.

So how can we reconcile Psalms 83:18 and John 14:28?

bobestman:
I have wasted all my time then. When you are ready you pay. My teachings are no longer for free

You mean I still have to pay for you claim to be inside of me and not in a book?

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StillDtruth:
Nairaland is not for babies Go to nursery school for spoonfeeding.

Alright....thanks for attempting my question.

bobestman:
Your zapped mind will never understand. You have been asking questions all your life here and I have been teaching you but you never learn or agree with anything. If you need anymore teachings you will have to pay. Many things I have taught you here many have learned a lot from them even without commenting. This is why we say knowledge is not given to dogs. Pay if you want to learn

You have absolutely taught me nothing.....I have questions that you've not been able to answer.
I've told me to show me the truth you said exist in Isaiah chapter 2 that you've mentioned, but you've refused. So what exactly have you taught me?

StillDtruth:
You have not read the bible, go read it first to and see if truly Jesus did not.say so. Stop looking to be spoon fed.

Oga if you are not going to spoon feed me, why bother responding to my questions?

seunowa:
Notice that Jesus calls Himself God in the book of Revelation: “He said to me [John]:
It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.

Please what chapter and verse is this in Revelation?

Meanwhile, how can we reconcile Psalms 83:18 in the screenshot below with John 14:28.

seunowa:
They had faith in God. For God himself became a man in Jesus Christ as the of blood of animals could not erase the power of sin completely in humanity.
Those faithful servants of old testament had their hope in God and this hope was accomplished in the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus.
His blood redeems us from the curse of sins according to the riches of God's grace.

Our hope is In Christ Jesus who is God our Savior.

Are you saying that Jesus on earth was the Almighty God whose name is Jehovah?

bobestman:
I said God is within you and it is those who know how to interact with God from within that put what was revealed to them into books. So if you you know how to commune with God you can get direct answers to what you seek. Books can be manipulated and corrupted but what is revealed to you can't be. What our ancestors wrote was corrupted into books for you today by some ppl who want to control. So am only saying many things written to you in books were corrupted or written wrongly cos those who did want to control you. If you are not a fool you will not be asking me why I made reference to what my ancestors wrote that you ppl foolishly interpret wrongly. Is this not simple that even a kid will understand?

If you manipulate and twist this into another foolish question I will curse you

Now that you know the right interpretation of the Bible, why not teach us the right interpretation in Isaiah chapter 2?

Do you know anyone else who knows the right interpretation of the bible?

StillDtruth:
Faithful means born again. And clearly Abraham and David were.

One can say that Jacob followed God from birth to death.

Did Jesus teach that one can be born again by just being faithful? If yes, where in the bible?

seunowa:
What is the meaning of being born again? It means put one trust and faith in the redemptive works of God which He accomplished in the death and resurrection of Christ Jesus.
Were the faithful servants of God like Adam,Abraham, David, Enoch etc born again?
Yes, they were born again because they put their trust in the redemptive works of God.
Since the fall of man, the basis of salvation has always been the death of Christ. No one, either prior to the cross or since the cross, would ever be saved without that one pivotal event in the history of the world. Christ’s death paid the penalty for past sins of Old Testament saints and future sins of New Testament saints
The requirement for salvation has always been faith. The object of one’s faith for salvation has always been God. The psalmist wrote, “Blessed are all who take refuge in him” (Psalm 2:12). Genesis 15:6 tells us that Abraham believed God and that was enough for God to credit it to him for righteousness (see also Romans 4:3-. The Old Testament sacrificial system did not take away sin, as Hebrews 10:1-10 clearly teaches. It did, however, point to the day when the Son of God would shed His blood for the sinful human race.

What has changed through the ages is the content of a believer’s faith. God’s requirement of what must be believed is based on the amount of revelation He has given mankind up to that time. This is called progressive revelation. Adam believed the promise God gave in Genesis 3:15 that the Seed of the woman would conquer Satan. Adam believed Him, demonstrated by the name he gave Eve (v. 20) and the Lord indicated His acceptance immediately by covering them with coats of skin (v. 21). At that point that is all Adam knew, but he believed it.

Abraham believed God according to the promises and new revelation God gave him in Genesis 12 and 15. Prior to Moses, no Scripture was written, but mankind was responsible for what God had revealed. Throughout the Old Testament, believers came to salvation because they believed that God would someday take care of their sin problem. Today, we look back, believing that He has already taken care of our sins on the cross (John 3:16; Hebrews 9:28).
What about believers in Christ’s day, prior to the cross and resurrection? What did they believe? Did they understand the full picture of Christ dying on a cross for their sins? Late in His ministry, “Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life” (Matthew 16:21-22). What was the reaction of His disciples to this message? “Then Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. ‘Never, Lord!’ he said. ‘This shall never happen to you!’” Peter and the other disciples did not know the full truth, yet they were saved because they believed that God would take care of their sin problem. They didn’t exactly know how He would accomplish that, any more than Adam, Abraham, Moses, or David knew how, but they believed God.

Today, we have more revelation than the people living before the resurrection of Christ; we know the full picture. “In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe” (Hebrews 1:1-2). Our salvation is still based on the death of Christ, our faith is still the requirement for salvation, and the object of our faith is still God. Today, for us, the content of our faith is that Jesus Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and He rose the third day (1 Corinthians 15:3-4).

Where does the Bible teach that Abraham and David had faith in Jesus and in his death and resurrection?

You clearly stated earlier that being born again in water and spirit means that one had faith in Jesus since Jesus was the water and spirit that he referred to.

seunowa:
Water baptism symbolizes the believer’s total trust in and total reliance on the Lord Jesus Christ, as well as a commitment to live obediently to Him. It also expresses unity with all the saints (Ephesians 2:19), that is, with every person in every nation on earth who is a member of the Body of Christ (Galatians 3:27–28). Water baptism conveys this and more, but it is not what saves us. Instead, we are saved by grace through faith, apart from works (Ephesians 2:8–9). We are baptized because our Lord commanded it: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit” (Matthew 28:19)

Water baptism is a beautiful picture of what our Lord has done for us. As we are completely immersed in the water, we symbolize burial with our Lord; we are baptized into His death on the cross and are no longer slaves to self or sin (Romans 6:3–7). When we are raised out of the water, we are symbolically resurrected—raised to new life in Christ to be with Him forever, born into the family of our loving God (Romans 8:16). Water baptism also illustrates the spiritual cleansing we experience when we are saved; just as water cleanses the flesh, so the Holy Spirit cleanses our hearts when we trust Christ.
The fact that water baptism is not a prerequisite for salvation is best seen in the example of a saved man who was not baptized in water—the criminal on the cross (Luke 23:39–43). This self-confessed sinner acknowledged Jesus as his Lord while dying on a cross next to Him. The thief asked for salvation and was forgiven of his sins. Although he never experienced water baptism, at that moment he was spiritually baptized into Christ’s death, and he then was raised to eternal life by the power of Christ’s word (Hebrews 1:3).

Christians should be baptized out of obedience to and love for our Lord Jesus (John 14:15). Water baptism by immersion is the biblical method of baptism because of its symbolic representation of the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ.

Ok......were faithful servant of God like Abraham, Jacob and David born again?

seunowa:
Ephesians 5:25-26 as a basis: 'Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her to make her holy, cleansing her by washing with the water through the word'.
The water here refers to being born again by the words of God. And how can one get that word of God?. My answer is Jesus Christ because is the living water and the spirit that humanity needs for redemption from sinful nature. Jesus Christ said the words that come from my mouth are life and spirit ( John 6:63). Therefore, anyone that is not born again by the spirit and life of Christ Jesus is a walking corpse. Humanity is totally depraved by sinful nature which in turn brought death on all people. Everyone is condemned to death but one can change this if one runs into Christ Jesus because he is the living water and the word that redeems all who are in him. Romans 8:1 says "There is no condemnation for those that are in Christ Jesus who walk no longer according to the flesh but to the spirit". This means that they are now responsible to the work of the spirit that come from the words of Jesus Christ only.

Ok....so if Jesus himself is the water and spirit that he was talking about in John chapter 3, Does a Christian still need to get baptized with literal water? If yes, what is the significance of literal water baptism?

bobestman:
As usual, you only catch cruise with questions. Not willing to learn no matter what truth is presented to you. I have answered and keep answering your questions but you will never learn cos you are a JW bono. A brainwashed clone who is certified with his brainwash. You only want to catch cruise with questions when the answer to your questions keep starring in your face. Keep playing. Whether religious or not, as long as you aren't brainwashed, you will understand. But your brain has been washed and mind zapped to understand this simple things. Clone

You said God cannot be known through any book.

I asked you why you made reference to a book in the bible.......you said the bible was written by Africans and was manipulated by white people.

Then how come you are still referring to a manipulated book.....why not know everything about God from within yourself without mentioning about any book?

bobestman:
How can a man whose brains are infested with only what JW call truth understand whatever other ppl teach? Continue with lies they fed you with. My teachings are very hard to understand with a religious mindset. So stick with your brainwashed organization

So your teachings are only for non religious people?

How come you are also interested in a religious book?

bobestman:
The day your dead organization will set you free, you will understand what I meant and what Isaiah 2 is all about. The person they write to you as Isaiah is an ancient African scribe. You religious clowns can never understand what is truth and what is lie their. You can never understand what is the truth and what the hijackers corrupted in his prophesies. That is your problem

Can you kindly explain the truth from the lie in Isaiah chapter 2?

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AnyanwuSK:
Enyi, I'm not a religious person o, just catching cruise.

I'm trying to know more about Life, Nature or God

People just believe and flow with what tradition or society said, religion from stone age.
I mean people believe things that are no longer valid in this modern world.

Ok......You can contact me on the number on my signature below and let's discuss about life nature and God on whatsapp.

bobestman:
If you are not a brainwashed JW fool, you would have understand what I meant

bobestman:
Churchianity is a waste of time. Man was created to work with the divine light within him. Your Chi, Ori, personal angel was their in the beginning when it all began. Their is nothing you seek that your divine light don't know. Books were written by men who work with and listen to their divine light

Today you follow a religion that was founded on bloodshed. A religion that began by plagiarizing an ancient peoples Ways. 80% of things they teach you in those circus centres are all lies. They don't know the truth and never have it.

When the truth comes you all will abandon your religions and seek for it as written in Isaiah 2. Since it is in the future all you know today are all lies cos when it comes you all will go where God Almighty will put his presence and go their to seek and worship. His presence is not in any of your religions who can't even see their many errors. The thieves lying that they fulfill that verse are only deceiving themselves cos the verses alone shows you when all that will happen which they don't know or have. Their many errors and lies also expose them

The best you can do for yourself now is to try to know the true God yourself. He is a spirit and don't dwell in any house or church. As a spirit (secret), the best way to seek or worship him is in the secret not public place. You are wasting your time in those circus centers. Everything you also need to know about him is embedded in your Chi force/ Ori/Personal angel. When you learn how to communicate with your Chi, you get answers to everything you seek. Your bible is full of corruption. It was written by the wrong ppl. It is like a Yoruba man who went to translate an Igbo book. A language he knows nothing about. You all are in error and have been teaching errors. Work with the light within you and you are good. In the time of Restoration you shall know

Oga what truth are we going to seek as written in Isaiah chapter 2?

Why don't you think that Isaiah chapter 2 is also a fraud by the white men?

bobestman:
If your clueless and foolish organization had taught you well and have not filled your mind with so many lies and also lied to you that only what they taught you is supreme and truth, I wouldn't have wasted my time explaining these simple things. They have taught you to use foolish questions to divert from whatever truth brought to you that is not from your organization. So I can never blame any of you bought the foolish organization that brainwashed you all. Keep playing

You said the bible is corrupt and you are still quoting from the same Bible as the word of truth, who exactly is being brainwashed here?

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bobestman:
Churchianity is a waste of time. Man was created to work with the divine light within him. Your Chi, Ori, personal angel was their in the beginning when it all began. Their is nothing you seek that your divine light don't know. Books were written by men who work with and listen to their divine light

Today you follow a religion that was founded on bloodshed. A religion that began by plagiarizing an ancient peoples Ways. 80% of things they teach you in those circus centres are all lies. They don't know the truth and never have it.

When the truth comes you all will abandon your religions and seek for it as written in Isaiah 2. Since it is in the future all you know today are all lies cos when it comes you all will go where God Almighty will put his presence and go their to seek and worship. His presence is not in any of your religions who can't even see their many errors. The thieves lying that they fulfill that verse are only deceiving themselves cos the verses alone shows you when all that will happen which they don't know or have. Their many errors and lies also expose them

The best you can do for yourself now is to try to know the true God yourself. He is a spirit and don't dwell in any house or church. As a spirit (secret), the best way to seek or worship him is in the secret not public place. You are wasting your time in those circus centers. Everything you also need to know about him is embedded in your Chi force/ Ori/Personal angel. When you learn how to communicate with your Chi, you get answers to everything you seek. Your bible is full of corruption. It was written by the wrong ppl. It is like a Yoruba man who went to translate an Igbo book. A language he knows nothing about. You all are in error and have been teaching errors. Work with the light within you and you are good. In the time of Restoration you shall know

bobestman:
I have told you that my teachings are not for brainwashed kids like you and your fellow cults. What I said and always say here is very simple for anyone to understand
The book you are talking about is not an European or Oyibo book. Your bible is African history rewritten to suit the minds of those who created your religion. I can teach you and the founder of your organization many things in that same Bible. As the ancient ppl whose ancestors wrote that book and they even told you to listen to (Isaiah 44:7), I know many lies and corruption in the book. Everything their is our history and stories. It has nothing to do with the Oyibos. So when we tell you that many things you teach or that are their have been corrupted, we know what we are telling you. But you that listen to ppl who just believe and not connected to the source are all in delusion. Only those who know can tell you when something is wrong. Many things in the book are within us and we know what is right and what has been corrupted.

To simplify it for your zapped mind, many things in your bible were written by ancient African scribes on scrolls but when the White men came they hijacked their stories cos they want to use it to control them. They interpreted the hard words their themselves and plagiarized their writings into bible. Brought it back to them and force them to read it. Many things you have their today are the corrupted version of what they wrote. The truth is in us not in the book. So when we see lies we know. When we see truth we know. But your zapped religious mind can never understand these things

So if the bible is all about African history and it has been corrupted, why are you still believing and quoting Isaiah chapter 2 from it?

seunowa:
5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

6 Ό,τι γεννιέται από τον άνθρωπο είναι ανθρώπινο, ενώ ό,τι γεννιέται από το Πνεύμα είναι πνευματικό.

6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit [17] gives birth to spirit.

How can one be born of water and spirit?

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