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TenQ:
Did I tell you that as my view?


Please answer my question:
If anyone's name is written in the book of life AND in Paradise, would he be mortal or immortal?

Since you have said humans and angels and the devil are all immortals, can they be destroyed? Yes or no

TenQ:
I am concluding that you are a FRAUDULENT person not worth being a Disciple of Christ.

Even though I told you that I DON'T UDE the WORD Immortality, you still somehow attributed the definition to ME.


You asked:

I responded with:



1. These are what is called IMMORTALITY by people
2. I then told you that

Only God the Creator of Existence has the Power to make His own Creations Cease to Exist: such that a Creation of God will exist forever UNLESS God Himself TERMINATE its EXISTENCE!
This is the proper definition of immortality with respect to ALL His Creations that He has bestowed His Spirit eg. Angels, Humans etc.


So, Quote me Correctly bro and stop being a FRAUD!

Now answer my Question:

If anyone's name is written in the book of life AND in Paradise, would he be mortal or immortal?

So how can angels and humans be immortal if they can still be destroyed?

Kobojunkiee:
1. What parts of the body enjoy the rewards of Heaven for those who end up in Heaven?

I don't know....you can tell me

Kobojunkiee:
Haven't you and I already been around this rollercoaster before now where I showed you that we will all become like Jesus Christ who did not decay in the grave but rose from the grave body intact and without decay, eventually to ascend into the Kingdom of God, flesh and all?

So for those that go to hell, what part of their body burns there?

TenQ:
No sir!
I asked you questions based on the book of Revelation to which you've not answered till now.

I am giving you just a single question to resolve if you are true to yourself or you are being hypocritical.


If anyone's name is written in the book of life AND in Paradise, would he be mortal or immortal?

I thought you were the teacher......you said humans and angels and the devil are all immortal and you've not shown me one verse from the bible.

TenQ:
I NEVER once mentioned layers of immortality perhaps you can quote me!

Then you will notice a difference between us. I've answered your question but you NEVER attempted to answer mine. Is this hypocrisy?

Again:

To help me understand, you can answer the question
If anyone's name is written in the book of life AND in Paradise, would he be mortal or immortal?

But you insinuated with a question that those given immortality in the book of revelation are still subject to destruction by God? So how is that immortality?

Father0fjesus:
Dude, no need contacting you unless you want to answer some questions about what is really in the bible without mining words with outmost sincerity.

That was the exact reason I gave you my contact.

MindHacker9009:
The Hebrew scriptures do make mention of a coming TRUE messiah who will be born of a man and a young woman, but there is no mention of Jesus Christ born of a virgin in the Hebrew scriptures.

So has the messiah arrived or not?

Kobojunkiee:
If unbeliever
→then the rule is, "From dust, you came and to dust you shall return" -Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22
else
if born-again
→then the rule is you sleep in the grave until the time of the resurrection and then judgment - John 5 vs 19 - 29

So for those that go to hell, what actually burn in hell, is it their bodies that have turned to dust or what?

TenQ:
Please, help me because I don't use the word immortality!

To help me understand, you can answer the question
If anyone's name is written in the book of life AND in Paradise, would he be mortal or immortal?



1. What is true Immortality?
2a. What is immortality that can be destroyed.?
b. Is this the same as false Immortality?

You are in the best position to answer those questions because you claim that there are levels to immortality. So where does the bible imply that one who is immortal is still subject to destruction?

You are the preacher here....when the bible talks about immortality, can the person sill be destroyed? Yes or no?

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Father0fjesus:
Yes, they are. They only become holy when the corruption is not favoring them.
I left religion because Nigerian Christians are pieces of shit and they will never Be sincere with themselves and 2, the Bible and Quran are obviously a folkflores.

Firstly, I was dedicated Christian since childbirth until adulthood, I was a choir member, the best tenor backup singer and I even play keyboard and drums. I was working and doing well and donating money to church but the moment I started having issues, the church was no where to be found. I realized that they were only interested in money, money and money. I was at home for 1 year without no job, it was this time I started reading the Bible by myself and I realized a lot of inconsistencies in that book.

Forward, religious People are shit. They always want to tell you how to live your life but their own life is hypocritical. I have a family here in Lagos, they are very religious, they cannot make any single decision in their lives without consulting a pastor but their last born is into internet fraud, the eldest is a pastor at redeem church but they ar covering the boy because he's bringing money to the house. Their second son who's my friend always tells me about how they pray that God should bless because he's now the bride winner of the family. I'm not even religious but I know that internet fraud is stealing but this religious family is shielding their yahoo yahoo brother and glorifying him.

A pastor on my street, his son is also hitting big doing internet fraud. The boy is building a house now in his father's compound but his father is shielding him because he's bringing money.

Not just these people, many people that I know are religious and they are into fraud and even pray that their God bless their hustle.

It is this same religious people that are full of tribal hate and bigotry. You can see the evidence in the last election. They are pieces of shit I swear. Almost everyone in government is religious and they are looting our destiny. I don't even understand what they teach them in their churches and mosques.

They choose the type of sin that benefits them and then always want to tell you how to live your own life.

I go soon leave this hypocritical country for una.

Interesting experience.......you observed correctly that there is a whole lot of religious hypocrisy going on around us. The same Bible speaks of a time where a lot of people would profess to be godly but their actions would speak otherwise. The Bible speaks that true Christianity would be different. So how can we identify true Christians today? And can the Bible be trusted? I would like us to discuss these questions in addition to any other questions that you may have. Hit me up on whatsapp 08167469103

MindHacker9009:
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Did the Hebrew scriptures make mention of a coming messiah?

GoodIsGod:
Watchtower doctrine is the number one problem of you Jehovah's witnesses.
Secondly, the fact that you guys are not given the opportunity to reason the meaning of the scriptures yourselves.
Thirdly, the wrong doctrines of many churches which gives your ego energy to think you are the only sect that knows what the Bible says.

In the ISAIAH 9:6 you quoted, you are putting the lies and heresies Watchtower programmed in your head infront of each fact that Jesus is God.
Infront of Mighty God you put (God among the Israelites)
Hehehehe,

You guys are not afraid at all to twist the scriptures. Nawao.
God among the Israelites for where? Which other scripture support your claim? Stop deceiving yourself guy.
Reason by yourself without Watchtower influence.

Now let me explain why Jesus is God to you.
Those who say God left His throne in Heaven to become man are the ones who give your ego some energy because it is a lie.
God remains in heaven when Jesus came to earth.
There is God and there is Jesus. Two separate personalities. When Jesus prayed, he prayed to God the Father because he is the son. While he suffered God was in heaven and at that moment God neglected him to fulfill the prophecy.

Now this is where you JW guys get it wrong. If I have a son that I love, that has all my nature as a King, and I tell my citizens that I have given him all the power that I have to rule like me even while I am still on the throne what concerns anyone about my decision. Who's problem is it?

I wonder why you guys sympathize with God who Himself gave His son all His power.
Christ said "All power in earth and in heaven has been given to me" Not some power but All. All means all.

Matthew 28:18 (KJV) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

ISAIAH 9:6 calls him Mighty God and you said (God among the Israelites) What about God among the Ibos or Yorubas.
What authority do you guys have over the word of God. To edit it to sooth Watchtower doctrine.

Now read this below if you can grasp it.

John 16:23 (KJV) And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

Note: He will do it (Who will do it? GOD)

Now read the one below again.

John 14:13-14 (KJV)
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Note: That will I do. (Who will do it? Jesus the son)
He is saying whatever you ask God in prayer I will do it.
( You ask God and he Jesus will answer your prayer. That which you ask his father in his name)

He now went ahead to repeat himself because he knows a sect like the Jehovah's witnesses will surface one day to separate him from the father.

He repeated himself, " If you ask anything in my name, I will do it"

Now place John 16:23 and John 14:13-14 together.

One says God will do it and the other say I Jesus will do it. (God (Jehovah) will do it. I (Jesus) will do it)

Only God can answer prayers prayed to Him in Jesus Name. Abi?
And Jesus says "Pray to God in my Name and I Will do it".

Jesus is God

Yes, He is the son and Jehovah is His Father. But God has given him ALL POWER because he has same Spirit of the Father and has been specially chosen and begotten by the Father.

Stop fighting for God. He himself made Jesus God. Not god but God.

It is not what Jesus did by himself but God Himself made it so because He loves the Son.

Read the Bible yourselves and stop follow follow after Watchtower.

If watchtower says today that they have discovered that Jesus is no more Angel Michael and AWAKE and WATCHTOWER is circulated to you all. Like Zombie all of you will agree and start going from house to house spreading the heresies.

Shalom

Now that Jesus is the Almighty God, is he lesser than God in any way?

TenQ:
Was this what I said is Immortality?
Or you are Creating a Strawman for argument purposes?
I think you should state EXACTLY what I said about IMMORTALITY before you start asking Question on the basis of my definition



You asked me about IMMORTALITY and I have explained it: therefore Use EXACTLY my definition to ask your question and NOT what you assumed I mean.

I told you that:
1. I don't use the word immortality, because it can mean different things to different people
2. I explained what people define as immortality by using the immortality of God, Angels, Demons and humans as examples
3. I explained that TRUE immortality ONLY belongs to God because He is the OnLY Being Without a Beginning and will have NO End.
4. I explained to you that ONLY God can Terminate the EXISTENCE of Any of His Creatures
5., I gave you some questions to answer in perspective as per




So, without YOU putting YOUR Words into my MOUTH you can answer your own question from what I have said.

Does the Bible give a difference between true Immortality and half Immortality according to your third point? If there is please cite an example where one with Immortality can be destroyed.

TenQ:
A human being is a Trinity of a Body , a Soul and a Spirit. This three represe4nts a person in three realms

1. Body:
This is your PHYSICAL IDENTITY!
This is the Physical Representation of a man on earth. By his Body, He interacts with the Physical Dimensions.
Everyone on earth including you dog know your Body as YOU and it is the truth.
At death, people will say YOU are dead: This is you
2. The Spirit:
This is your SPIRITUAL IDENTITY!
This is the Spiritual Representation of a man in the spiritual realm. By a man's Spirit, He interacts with the Spiritual Dimensions.
Angels, Demons and God Himself deal with your Spirit as YOU. Even angels interact with themselves aas Spirits!
3. The Soul:
This is your INTERNAL or PERSONAL IDENTITY!
This is how YOU Identify your Consciousness! It is the Center of our WILL, our INTELLECT and our EMOTIONS.
Even when your Body is mangled beyond recognition, you will still IDENTIFY yourself as "ME", "I", "MYSELF".


Summary:
A Human being has three Identities
1. His Physical Identity
2. His Spiritual Identity
3. His Internal/Personal/Individual Identity.
Each one of this IDENTITIES fully represent him.

At Physical Death, we lose our Physical Identity (till the day of resurrection) BUT our Personal and Spiritual Identity remain Intact.

At this point we are like Angels who have DUAL Identities (Internal and Spiritual Identities) aka Soul and Spirit!

IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR A HUMAN BEING TO KILL THE SOUL OF ANOTHER PERSON: Only God Can do that!

Ok....if Immortality simply means a person that is not subject to death or indestructible......Does the Bible teach that God gives half Immortality?
I would need scriptures that support that humans angels devils and the demons have Immortality.

TenQ:
Immortality is a relative term and i hardly use it because it can be misinterpreted to mean other things.

1. God is immortal:
Meaning that God does not have a beginning and will never cease to exist.
2. Angels are immortal:
Meaning that Angels have a beginning and will never cease to exist!
3. Humans are immortal:
Meaning that humans have a beginning but will never cease to exist!
4. Satan, Demons , Unclean spirits are immortal:
Meaning that Satan, Demons and Unclean spirits have a beginning and will never cease to exist!

Only God the Creator of Existence has the Power to make His own Creations Cease to Exist: such that a Creation of God will exist forever UNLESS God Himself TERMINATE its EXISTENCE!
This is the proper definition of immortality with respect to ALL His Creations that He has bestowed His Spirit eg. Angels, Humans etc.

Finally,
When a Human being dies Physically, His Soul? Spirit is Disconnected from His Body
This is the worst a human can do to him.
God can after this Physical death Grab the man Body, Soul and Spirit and destroy in Hell!

Questions:
Are the 24 Elders in the Book of Revelation immortal?
Are the 4 Beasts in the Book of Revelation Immortal?
Are those whose name are written in the lambs Book of Life immortal?
If they are immortal, Does God have the power to make them Cease to EXIST (if He chooses)?


In the full and Correct sense of Definition, ONLY God is fully IMMORTAL!

Immortality simply means a person that is not subject to death or indestructible......Does the Bible teach that God gives half Immortality?
I would need scriptures that support that humans angels devils and the demons have Immortality.

TenQ:
If the soul is the life of the individual, Then a human being can kill the soul according to you.

I didn't say the soul is "emotional whatever" quote me properly

If humans can kill the soul, this is contrary to what Jesus said.

Ok....I have been following your line of thought and it has been interesting. Do you believe that the soul is immortal?

Kobojunkie:
1. Only those who are born-again have access to the Kingdom of God where Heaven and Hell are both located. So, if a person who is not born of water and born of spirit commits suicide, he/she cannot enter into either Heaven or Hell at the end - John 3 vs 1 - 21 & Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11 & Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 & Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46.

2. There is nothing "Nigerian" about the Truth of God.

So according to your first point, where does the person go to?

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