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Sophyrocks: You see the way he snapped at you? That is the reason feminism has to come to stay. Check the meaning of his username. Check all his comments as regards women and not feminists. He has issues with women. The more they rant about feminism, the more it grows. Why waste valuable time ranting and arguing about it and indirectly fueling it??

I apologize at edwife, if you can reason like a man, I was only using you as a medium to disseminate information. But for this one, i have nothing to say, you have an infinity of wrong in you. For your reading pleasure, there are more and more #womenagainstfeminism in America, they are tired of living the victim life you cling on. As for Nigerian babes, they so much like men providing for them(telling you to your face that if you can't care for them, you are no man(cuts across every country in Africa)) that I can't believe this trash.
Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. Robert J.Hanlon .

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Just a few lines after that bit you quoted, she wrote this:

You must have missed the emboldened.[/quote]Most women can't reason logically, the earlier you know that, the better for you. They are even critiquing the post, which was logically written by one few women that can reason logically.

edwife: Time to look for a comfortable position to see what's coming

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If you're not comfortable, go to hell! Guys are not smiling.

pesty100: when I read the thread u linked Sango wasn't mention, and its not even today thunder has been striking people and animals take for example
www.esdjournal.com/articles/Lightning/Fowler/sc%20fowler.htm
.... Even in yoruba's myth Sango doesn't kill people anyhow execpt for a reason, I don't know the reason why sango will choose to strike a Dog or someone that hasn't done anything like in your linked thread's case

Bravo!!! They stole a man's motorcycle in Ibadan, the owner sent sango to them, they were killed when it was raining, and their corpses were not removed until the worshipers came to perform rituals(saw the rituals on B.C.O.S). I also told you that you can go to any cultural display in Nigeria, confirm that Sango worshipers swallow fire and tell them to use it rub your body, return to tell me gods and magic don't exist. What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. – Christopher Hitchens.
THIS ONE HAS PROOF MY BROTHER, TRY IT FIRST.

BuddhaPalm: After all said and done, women just want to be bent over and fvked in the butt.

They CRAVE to be dominated.

Differences between male and female
Aristotle believed that nature ordained not only physical differences between male and female but mental differences as well. By comparison to man, he argued, woman is "more mischievous, less simple, more impulsive ... more compassionate[,] ... more easily moved to tears[,] ... more jealous, more querulous, more apt to scold and to strike[,] ... more prone to despondency and less hopeful[,] ... more void of shame or self-respect, more false of speech, more deceptive, of more retentive memory [and] ... also more wakeful; more shrinking [and] more difficult to rouse to action" (History of Animals, 608b. 1-14). Moreover, in accord with his society's custom of allowing girls and women to eat only half as much as boys and men, he added that woman "requires a smaller quantity of nutriment" (History of Animals, 608b. 14) [ 2 ]Aristotle wrote extensively on his views of the nature of semen. His views on how a child's sex is decided have since been abandoned. [ 3 ]
He wrote that only fair-skinned women, not darker-skinned women, had a sexual discharge and climaxed. He also believed this discharge could be increased by eating of pungent foods. Aristotle thought a woman's sexual discharge was akin to that of an infertile or amputated male's. [ 4 ] [ 5 ]He concluded that both sexes contributed to the material of generation, but that the female's contribution was in her discharge (as in a male's) rather than within the ovary. [ 4 ]
His idea of procreation was an active, ensouling masculine element bringing life to a passive female element. [ 6 ] http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristotle%27s_views_on_women

TribalEAST: bunch of lazy disgruntled people.

The heart of a woman contains an infinity of wrong, though they are wrong, they still have the ability to confuse themselves that they are right. Feminism is not a problem in Nigeria, because matured women here fight for rights and privileges. You see, when a male child is born, he explodes like a bomb and starts immediately to conquer the world, that is why men have to empower women for them to be able to stand side by side with men, these are the privileges feminists want, they think its their birth right to be empowered; they don't want to stop playing victim, because they are enjoying the rights and privileges that come with it. Feminists don't want to be equal, they want us to continue pampering their little, emotional heads.
Have you heard about Judith Christ! Feminists have changed Jesus to Judith and are preaching in churches that God is both a man and woman and some say religion was made to suppress women! Oh women, when will you begin to reason out of logic and not emotion?
The best way a woman can be happy in life is to
1) Seek help from men
2) Think of family first before career
3) Stop playing victim.
4) You are responsible for your actions
5) Like my sister will always say, compare yourself only with your gender.

Sophyrocks: I do not like to argue about this feminist issue because i believe we have other important mattters that are worth worrying over. And arguing fromnow till tomorroow will nott stop feminism from growing. Different unions come up with fights for human rights. But the rights of women have not been deliberated on and women still suffer for it. Women are constantly reminded they cannot do certain things simply because they are women. Sexism still persists. This alone will make feminism grow.

I understand we have men-hating feminists. But that does not mean the whole movement is flawed because the main theme of the movement is equal rights, equal opportunities. is that not why we all fight for human rights?

I understand where the Op is coming from. Thats why i believe women should never limit themselves in whatever they want to do in life. No matter what the society says, they should just go right ahead and do what they want to do. You dnt need permission from anybody. That is how change occurs.

What makes a lot of people fall in life, is lack of wisdom, the person who wrote this is a woman, so I guess you should rethink. You should also tell me those men that told you authoritatively that you should not go for a career(the worst is an advice.) You see women don't recognize oppression, even if it passes beside them................... A lot of men have been oppressed because of their works; what differentiates a man from a woman is COMPETENCE!!! http://www.menarebetterthanwomen.com/myth-of-female-oppression/

andromida: She missed this, she does not understand that child bride does not necessarily arise because of poverty.

So as a rich man, I still can be stupid enough to marry my daughter out at a very young age, explain further, cos your point is inconsistent and defies logic.

TribalEAST: ...cococandy sambarry godismystrength bananabender etc, make una come comment na

They are afraid of logic, they don't want *equality*, they want to be pampered.

With craziebone carefreewannabe babygirlfl kay17 and

But you will likely find that the key to aiding poverty-stricken people is in advancing science and technology overall, and in safe, effective, affordable, and readily available birth control methods for men and women. The recognition of science and its continued progression is the only thing that can move us in that direction.
So I ask that instead of funding campaigns to promote chivalrous behavior in men that you fund the people who will make that line of reasoning obsolete. I ask that you fund science and technology.
Thank you for your time and I hope that you will consider what I have written.
Sincerely,
Rachel Marie Edwards

These feminists do not live up to your lofty ideals. The feminists who govern these groups are often corrupt and profit directly from keeping women in a state of victimhood. They profit from the narrative that men are the aggressors and women are the victims.
If you are looking for gender equality in what they say and do, you will not find it. This is the problem. The majority of women feel alienated from modern feminism because it is not providing the equality that many of them so desperately crave and it ignores the women who use this ideology to further their own ends.
Instead, feminism is the cause for much of the disparity. Policies meant to help women fail in one major respect because they often assume women in general to have a kind of moral superiority. It does not assume that women can act immorally in ways that are equivalent to men. Laws like the Violence Against Women Act in the United States presume men to be the aggressor even when men are calling to report violence against them by their partners.
If you want to help women to be seen as equal to men, we must acknowledge that they are just as capable of vice as their male counterparts and must face equal consequences. If you want real equality, you must dismantle gender bias against men and benevolent sexism against women perpetuated by the legal system.
Women must be willing to take the higher-paying dangerous jobs men take. They must be willing to be held accountable, and we must be willing to hold them accountable in the way we hold men to be accountable.
We must acknowledge that the disparity mentioned most often by feminists can be accounted for by things like life choices and economic mobility. Poverty accounts for much of the problems of Third World countries. War brings poverty and violence to these countries, harming men and women in different but equally horrific ways. Yet women are the ones most likely to receive money and aid.
Child brides arise out of necessity first in impoverished countries. Families cannot afford to feed all of their children, who as a result are married off young to keep families afloat. In the minds of those parents, they are making certain that she is fed and clothed. You want to help women? Then acknowledge that the problem is a toxic mix of ignorance, tradition, and crippling poverty in (often) war-torn countries that drives these problems—not a lack of chivalry.
It is difficult for women to even dream of a future when their families can barely afford to feed them. How can women get ahead when their clothes are rotting off their bodies and their brothers are being drawn into war because it’s their only hope of making some kind of change.
Feminism cannot put food on their tables or stop those wars because it is attempting to treat the symptoms of these problems and not the disease. You want to help people? Then wake up! We don’t need chivalry! We need honesty! Life is hell for the impoverished: it cultivates victims and criminal behavior.
Those people are in pain, and the discussion as to how to help them begins when we have honest discussions about how men and women both suffer in equal degrees, but the source is this toxic mix of human problems that we’ve yet to solve. Some of which we may never solve. Treating the symptoms is failing.
We must approach the source and come to creative solutions because as it stands people are dividing themselves over the belief that everyone can be an oppressor or that people are being oppressed in the First World. The wage gap has long since been debunked. Single, childless women often out-earn men because they make different choices now. They can wait longer to have children due to technological advances, so they make career-orientated decisions that allow them to get ahead.
The greatest determination of poverty for a woman is how many children she has and when she has them. Women often make work decisions based upon wanting to spend time with her children. So she’s more likely to take time off to tend to her sick children and to leave work early to pick them up from school or to get them to activities like soccer practice.
This all adds up to be the major contributor to the disparity in the wage gap—not gender discrimination. When you compare many of the well-paying jobs men take with something like being a kindergarten teacher, there is an obvious difference in pay. The studies speaking of a massive pay gap rely on lifetime studies that don’t account for differences in job, whether these women have children, or choose careers that pay less but make them happy.
The key to aiding this problem may well be in making birth control available to men and women and allowing them to choose when to be parents. This will also reduce the population in many problem areas and make it possible for people to do better with the same amount of resources. But it will be difficult, and many religious groups simply will not allow it.

Dear Emma Watson,
I was not raised a celebrity. I can say that my life has been very different from yours. I am a woman living in America. I have not attended a fine university like Brown, as you did. I have known abuse, I have been molested. I have known hardship and depression. But there is something you should know. I don’t need feminism.
Maybe you can’t understand why this might be so. How someone like me, who has in the past been suicidal and faced such turmoil, could say that I do not need something that is supposed to help the whole world.
I want you to know that I am neither religious nor someone politically conservative, and I say this because many have accused me of this stance for merely disagreeing with feminism. Your idea of feminism is certainly beautiful, but it is not the reality of the women’s movement today, nor was it the reality of the past.
That is what saddens me. When I was younger, I got it into my head that I needed to be strong and empowered and eventually I got there, but when I finally met other feminists I did not see a group of strong, self-reliant women in front of me. I saw women who wanted others to do the work for them.
They did not understand that empowerment is something that only you can bring to yourself. People can talk all day about women doing great things. People can give them thousands of dollars of grant money, but it all means nothing if these women won’t do the work themselves. Therein lies the problem of feminist ideology. It preaches that we must empower women but never asks women to empower themselves or demands that they become capable and self-reliant.
I don’t think that many in the West disagree that women are deserving of all the rights and privileges of men. The truth is far more sinister. I don’t often hear, by any stretch of the imagination, that men say that women don’t deserve these things. The majority of people I hear saying that women are oppressed are feminists.
I don’t see it in the actions of men in the population, save for that percentage who engages in violent crime. There will always be mean-spirited people. There will always be some people who commit violent acts against their fellow humans—and that is not gendered. Feminism cannot fix these things.
You cannot fix the portion of humanity who does not care about others and whether people are harmed. They are not people who can be persuaded.
The reason that women detach themselves from the label of feminist has nothing to do with the idea of women’s rights being radical. It isn’t, it makes logical sense. The problem lies with the actions of feminists and their actions going beyond achieving the privileges men have. There are man-hating feminists, and the narrative that men can stop things like sexual assault is what starts it.
When you say that men can stop sexual assault on their own, you are imagining men as one big group who congregates and is able to stop the sociopathic individuals who prey on others. Sexual assault is not a mistake or a lapse in judgment. It is not something learned or taught to rapists by society. It is instead a rejection of society. It persists in spite of those who preach equal treatment.
This narrative erases victims of female predators who operate like male sexual predators and exist in greater numbers than you would expect. The problem is that because feminism preaches that men are the abusers who can stop rape, it erases men and women who are victimized by women. Even worse, these women do not face jail time equal to that of their male counterparts. That is not equal treatment and that is not justice.
Painting women as victims does not help them to be seen as the equals of men. It makes them appear weak, which is contrary to what feminism says it wants to accomplish. Because of that, you have female predators out of jail after only a few months, ready to prey on their next victim.
This is not the story that modern feminism wishes to tell. It is not the story that it wishes to acknowledge. It won’t mention women in “oppressed” countries rising to the occasion in spite of everything. It won’t mention that women in these “oppressed” countries enter STEM fields in greater number than those of the West or that many of them are strong in their own right. Feminism didn’t make them so.
Instead, feminism preaches, “Look at those women, they are victims, we have to get men to save them.” Is that not the worst thing you could do? Are you not continuing gender stereotypes by assuming that men need to empower women? Is it not harmful to tell a woman that she is not strong enough on her own, and that she needs all these other women to empower her?
Women won’t identify as feminists because the women within feminism rely so much on the sisterhood that they do not pursue self-reliance. These women do not heal when they’ve been victimized because the sisterhood tells them that it’s fine to live as a perpetual victim instead of a survivor.

IBOGIRL1: Like i said earlier,freethinkers include all who can think rationally independent of any religious,traditional or social indices,buddism included. I made no exception,so i think we ar on d same track only differing on what qualifies u as one. If u feel a freethinker is a buddist who can engage in any religion and stil tink independently devoid of sentiments Dats fine by me. Like i said earlier freethinkers are able to see beyond various sentimental indices using a rational thought system. That said yes anyone can b a freethinker if u can look beyond whether u prefer to call them buddists or not,generally they ar all known as freethinkers.

There is simply no need of using 'generally' . Buddhism = Fee thinking. Therefore, you are a Buddhist (You have a religion) , because you are following the last words Budhi said to his puzzled followers before he died. "Be ye a lamp (or island) UNTO YOURSELVES; *work out your own salvation* with diligence." My question to you is: Do yo belief in Jesus Christ and why?

carefreewannabe: How is it related to what I have said?

@bold

Does this sentence make sense to you?

And you want to claim that you are more intelligent than every woman in this world?
Interesting.

There is simply no way I can be more intelligent than every woman (Did you read that link at all? ). I know I can't win an arguement with a woman (due to emotion beclouding sense of reasoning (no common sense)), but I will surely argue to logical conclusion.

@carefreewannabe ............ I thank you for acknowledging that men are NATURALLY more violent than women, thereby proving my point that since men are more violent than women, women have to be NATURALLY submissive to balance the equation(more reason why Bible wants us to love our women in order that they may not feel bad about their natural disposition.)
I also want to thank you that since you acknowledge that we are more violent(we have higher testosterone) , it is also logically right to say WE ARE NOT EQUAL. ThAnKs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

carefreewannabe: The logical consequence of what you have just said would be that men are not qualified to rule as they cause violence and war.
Women would bring peace. Let women rule.

I would personally have loved that, but the aggressive nature of men is what has made us overcome the world, through the thick and thin. What we lack in calm, we have in abundance when it comes to intelligence(that is why women are always behind us.) A lot of rich female billionaires inherited their wealth from father or husband(I'm not jealous). That is why I love the Yoruba politics, we mix the good attributes of women in our politics, and never allow them to over shadow it, hence we submit to inferior logical reasoning(like the Scandinavian countries). Even America and Britain that cries about equality, share my candid views, even Australia(showing feminism is mainly about destroying family, abortion and lesbianism as all logical fights can be fought under HUMAN RIGHTS). Obama's advicers expectially in military logistics, are men, funny enough, even in Scandinavian countries, men are still the most productive in science. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1274952/Men-ARE-brainy-women-says-scientist-Professor-Richard-Lynn.html

Kay17: During World War 1 and 2, women took up men's jobs in manufacturing (include aircraft, tanks, weapons, sophisticated machinery), mining, civil administration, etc. That sufficiently shows women can take up any job. The main goal for feminists is political and civil liberation within the society. Women want education, family planning, leadership roles, purge on gender stereotypes etc.

All these your objectives can be met under HUMAN RIGHTS. We were not born equal, we differ a lot. Tell me who will stop you in Nigeria, if you are vying for political positions, education, even family planning!!! (Government would be happy if you have no child at all. Also on local channels, there is no single day family planning won't be broadcasted) . You statements are logically flawed. Next time you wish to open your gutters to talk, kindly add to it what society is expecting women to do(sacrifice) and not all about what women want from society.

@kay17...................just the same way men are known to be violent and cause war. So your stereotypical issue has no backing; its the truth. We are not equal!

Kay17: Same brute application of gender stereotype

Your statement is logically flawed http://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/dec/02/men-women-brains-wired-differently http://m.bbc.com/news/health-25198063

Peterken05: one thing about people like you is that you tend to believe everything you were told without thinking for yourself.

Everything changes when you think for yourself

logicboy01: There is no magic.

Even if there was, magic exists independent of God.

Some people believe science is magic. Afterall, many people said that man could not fly.......aeroplanes!!

https://www.nairaland.com/455290/thunder-kills-two-ibadan I bear witness to this incident. Don't tell me sorcery and gods don't exist and have no connection(even Bible did not deny their existence). The worshipers of this god(sango, who is believed to be one of the servants of Olodumare(God)) openly display(for people like you to see) their power by swallowing fire and rubbing fire on their skin. We also know of Ifa, who has the power of telling you what your future will be like(Yorubas used to take their children to ifa, to know how their future would be like(àkosèjayé) . Tell me more!
"One thing about lie is that you only have to confuse yourself its the truth and the odds are in your favour "

IBOGIRL1: Seriously i think your the one who shud xpand ur knowledge horizon, freethinkers are persons who form opinions on the basis of reason, independently of tradition, authority, or established Beliefs, Freethinkers include atheists, agnostics, secular humanists and rationalists,basically the whole essence of been a free thinker is the freedom of engaging in your own thoughts independent of any indices and been rational yl stil at it. Seriously with d way ur goin u sound no diffrent frm a religious fanatic. No offence meant.

1) Budhi was a free thinker(He left his family to think more about life itself)
2) Buddhism is independent of established belief, traditions and authority. Buddhist are free thinkers because Budhi told them to source out their salvation(though many believe and follow his teachings), either as Christians, agnostic Muslim etc. "Be ye a lamp (or island) unto yourselves; work out your own salvation with diligence." With this quote, you can now see he was a free thinker, who has removed all obstacles for you to seek out your salvation. Even if you think God does not exist, this single quote accommodates you because you are your own mentor(lamp), also if you think God, through being guide to yourself and your thought, this single quote accommodates you. Most of budhi's teachings are logical and practicable.
You may try to say, as a Christian, I am also a Buddhist, but nothing can be further from the truth, because as a Buddhist, shifting your believe is tolerated(you can move out of Christianity if you wish) but as a Christian, it leads to hell. i.e. Buddhism accommodates even those that does not accommodate its teachings. So my sister, as much as you don't place restrictions to your level of free thinking, you are a Buddhist.

logicboy01: @ bold;


Why do you like to say things that are just false. Evolution has no bearing on atheism. If even evolution is false, atheism would still be factual- there is no evidence or reason to believe in God.


life is best explained by evolution. Creation is not an explanation but a myth

If God does not exist, where did magic come from. Don't tell me that all those magicians and witches burnt in history were burnt because they created optical illusion, like PETERU made me to believe

Peterken05: what you call magic is just a trick, you dont know yet. Dont ascribe any supernatural power to magic, it is purely an illusion.

Try and find more about it.

What about sango which stroke some people to death some years ago? Whose followers use fire on their body, in front of the general public, without feeling any pains. One thing about lie is that, you just have to confuse yourself that you are saying the truth and the odds will be in your favour. #nonsense

aaronson: Dude to clarify and satisfy your curiosity,75% of magic are pure illusion and nothing supernatural,they are skilled at managing people's attention,I wish I knew you in reality to practicalize with you and secondly,look up the web and search for one artifact of the old or events that happened in the bible and if you find one let me know.

One thing funny and tricky about nonsense is that sometimes when you say it, you tend to confuse yourself that you have made sense.

runnazz: I think u are the biggest hypocrite of all u don't believe in any thing why bother going to church? Its true that u don't have to be religious to be a good person...

Stop:going to churches,looking for God fearing girls,looking for girls that are free thinkers..if i really know what that means..

Start:Expressing urself openly,stand for what u believe in, don't try to convince ppl to think like u..if they do they do if not let them be...if u are true to urself u wldn't even be posting this stuff...or r u doing it to get cheap recognition?? and be labelled that atheist ?
If u are true to urself ppl like u both male and females will be drawn towards u naturally... so....whatever man

Free thinkers are fööls, a free thinker is a Buddhist, they have a religion but they don't know . http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Buddhism/buddhism_exposed.htm . My people slumber because of lack of knowledge. How can you have knowledge without even understanding what you belief in. They lack wisdom

IBOGIRL1: For me i am an agnostic and a freethinker, so i have no problem getting married to an atheist just i have no problem bin with an african traditional worshipper. But then its not even a matter of the ideology,for me its a matter of personality and what works for me and most importantly it is d liberality,openmindedness ,intelligence and d bravery of the other person to b able to accept that others have a right to their own beliefs and thoughts in as much as they adhere to the golden rule,*love your neigbour as yourself*

You just quoted Jesus! Free thinker indeed.

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The intelligent op has refused to answer me.

My dear brother, if God doesn't exist, how did magic come into existence? I want to learn.

cococandy: You're not a feminist hater.
Only against excesses.
So am I.
Good. We are almost on the same page.
We'll be on the same page when you stop trying to use the short comings of the movement to downplay it's great achievements for women and indirectly for men too.
The welfare of women is the welfare of men.

P.S instead of you to read up very extensively on that link I gave you and search for more likt it,you're standing your ground on phoolish pride.
Ignorance doesn't pay o. Just saying.

All I write is in the best interest of women.

coolviv: Guys who have ever loved a female in their lives should be championing things like this especially those who adore their daughters. You are not always going to be around to protect and provide for her or your future grand daughters. So the best you can do is leave a better world for them where they can be happy and fulfilled.
Women make the world go round, men are the foundation holding the world. Both together control the world.

Give me a problem that can't be solved under 'human rights'.Feminism incites the female gender? Know what you wish for.