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I hate house flies more than snakes.

brain54:
Tigers are larger in size...

Bigger claws, larger teeth abi fangs more strength and a bigger bite Force.

Lion's strength is more in their pack abi pride(group of lions)

Tiger is used to being a solo fighter!

But in most of their documented fights, Tiger yielded.

Mattswaggz:
Finally.... adding emotions to arguments which is a traits akin to y'all Abrahamic religious individuals have started to show gradually as expected..... .

Anyways you can try to twist fact all you want.... Scientifically the earth is millions-billions of years old but it isn't up to millions of years biblically....the Flood and the story of Noah can hardly be proven Scientifically due to different reasons which include uniqueness of certain animals to certain continents, countries and/or locations etc.

Anyone being honest knows that basic scientific logic doesn't go hand in hand with most religion as you claim.

If we start breaking down biblical events and questioning them Scientifically....Genesis alone will expose a lot without even needing to go to Exodus.

I haven't felt or shown any signs of emotions so far, you misjudged anything that make you feel I responded emotionally, I'm way too far from that.

The book of Genesis was written by Moses, he wrote about the Noah's ark.

Guess what?
That story had existed for over 2000 years before Moses's time. I mean, 2000-2100 BC.

Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees, a city in ancient Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq), home to the Sumerians who told stories like the Epic of Gilgamesh, including a great flood.

Growing up in this culture,
Abraham likely heard these tales and carried them with him as he moved and started his family.
Over generations, these stories were passed down, evolving into the Hebrew traditions recorded in the Bible, including the story of Noah and the Ark, preserving the memory of Mesopotamian cultural heritage within his lineage.

The people that wrote it weren't there when it happened to know exactly happened, they passed down the story for thousands of years, until Moses added it to the Hebrew Bible.

They doesn't mean religion conflicts with science, science explains religion better.

Mattswaggz:
Lol..... you're naming Individual beliefs to discredit what I said....the Bible documented history (assumably from when this very world was created) till date and according to that documentation, the earth is 6000+yrs....use the Bible to show otherwise not individual belief system and claims.

If you believe that the Biblical belief system doesn't clash with scientific findings then that "ur own opinion" the written words are clear and there are a lot of clashes.

There is no documentation on the Bible that states, or suggests that the Earth is 6,000 years old.
it was in the 1600s that a bishop proposed it, and was entitled to his opinion.

Many theologians disagree with that. What the bishop said it's not a fact, it was entirely his personal opinion. Don't attach it to the Bible.

I stated this earlier, but you still wanted to believe in your propaganda, lol.
You are not seeking the truth, you just don't want to believe.
You can choose not to believe, but it doesn't mean you should associate personal opinion of a medieval bishop with the Bible.

I repeat, Bible doesn't clash with science.

Unless you bring up propaganda and associate it with the Bible, then it may conflict.
It's not written anywhere in the Bible that the Earth is 6,000 years old.
When the City of UR, the hometown of Abraham, which was in modern day Iraq has existed for more than 7,000 years?

When Egypt has existed for more than 7,000 years?

It's either you don't understand the Bible or that you don't understand science, if you understand the both, you can unify them effortlessly. But when you lock up your mind, you can't understand it.

According to the history you said Bible documented, tell me the number of years that passed between Adam to Noah?

Mattswaggz:
Nope.....you're wrong.... science does disapprove to Bible to some extent.

For instance...this world is millions-billions of years old scientific but around 6000+ yrs old biblically so which do you stand with if you're a scientist and also a dedicated believer?. .

The Bible does not state that the world is 6,000 years old. That number comes from human calculations, especially Bishop Ussher in the 1600s, who added up biblical genealogies.
These genealogies are not precise chronological records, so the 6,000 year figure is interpretation, not scripture. Many modern Bible scholars accept that the Earth is far older based on science and the nature of biblical genealogies.
No verse in the Bible highlights the age of the earth.
Georges Lemaitre
Father of the Big Bang theory,
Was a Catholic priest and a professor of physics.
He saw no conflict between God and cosmology.

Owen Gingerich, Harvard astrophysicist and cosmologist.
Believes the universe shows signs of design.

William Lane Craig
Not a scientist by profession but works deeply with cosmology in philosophy of physics.
Argues scientifically for a creator.

John Polkinghorne, Quantum physicist, Cambridge professor.
Became a theologian; believed in God.

There is no way you would understand science, and not believe in a creator.
Many nairaland atheists are baby atheists, they depended on scientific discoveries to become an atheist, but many of them doesn't it even understand it like they think.

There is no conflict between science and religion, bring up another conflict let me debunk it.
I was once like you around 2016-2017, but I didn't stop there.

Mattswaggz:
Time travel remains a possibility as human knowledge/science has proven to increase with time.

Good thing you're of the belief that God is bigger than religion and you've also clarified that you're not a believer of one of those Abrahamic religion because that was what I wanted to clarify..... believing in such religion doesn't go hand in hand with such deep scientific possibilities like transfer of consciousness ,Time travel,DNA modification et al you know.

I'm a Christian, and there is no conflict between scientific possibilities and Christianity.
It's just that many people aren't able to reconcile them because of their limited understanding of science.
Firstly, Christianity is a way of life and not a handbook for the fundamental aspect of nature. It's just like comparing your physics textbook to your History book and constitution.

Science is like your physics textbook, while bible is like our History and constitution merged together, one doesn't disprove the other, they can compliment each other to make us live a better life.
While the constitution guides our morality, Physics makes us understand our environment better for our good, no conflict.

That the Bible didn't talk about time travel and genetic engineering doesn't mean it's against it.
God is a scientist.

The will still release him once he decides to support APC.

Unless it's America that is behind the arrest.

Tjra:
Military coup of civilians government is the real violation of people's rights.

I honestly don't know why most Obidients are actively supporting coups.

I'm 100% certain none of you would support having a military sole administrator any state in the East.

I asked a question that doesn't relate to coup, and you are talking another thing?

With your logic, anyone shouting sovereignty and against Trump's threat to eliminate terrorists is also in support of terrorists?

With your logic, the end justifies the means?

So we have been violating people's sovereignty all these while.

Mattswaggz:
You can ask for evidence about beliefs that aren't default....for instance no human was born with certain religious beliefs by default they were thought and if they declare that what they were thought is the "absolute truth" then there is a burden to provide evidence/proofs to back such claims.

Also, prophetic abilities and/or the ability to see revelations (past or future) has been in existence for a long as humanity and can hardly be put in the same category as the scientific time travel we're talking about here..... Scientific time travels entails humans using their knowledge to build a device that can take them at will to any timeline and ot course to could change anything in that timeline at will which will in essence make anyone of those who wield such tool "godlike".

And also..... it would seems like you're not a believer of Abrahamic religions then because if you do then you should know better than to believe in time travel.

why are we not currently seeing time travellers from the future, does it mean we aren't going to be able to build it?
Could it mean it's not something we can experience in this timeline or reality? I mean our current 3D, since our current biology is limited to space and time?

Leave Abrahamic religion, the concept of God is bigger than any religion.

Kemetian:
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There's no such thing as "hideout of terrorists".

They have NO 'HIDEOUT'.

They are embedded within communities whom they basically use as human shields, because they know the only way you can get them is by carpet bombing whole civilian communities.

Go and learn what terrorism is and how they operate, because you know nothing, just like your fellow loudmouths here.

Arrest and prosecute the sponsors, you don't fight terrorism by killing every single fighter.
You fight the engine, which Nigerian government has refused to.

No arrest or Jailing for life.

LegendHero:
Trump move quickly on Nigeria to come gun blazing, can he do the same at home by stopping the gun shooting death of over 11,000 in 2025 alone in USA?

Can Tinubu stop the over 1,000 kidnapping and hundreds of murder committed by bandits and terrorists who lives and operate within our territory?

Why is he forming hero in Benin, while there is IDP camp littered in the North?

garykoeman:
Some people are still pained the coup failed and President Tinubu ended up being the hero.

President Tinubu, history will remember you as a great pan African leader.

First civilian president to quash a coup.

Thank you sir, for your steadfastness.

Nigeria are with you.

How about to stop the Bandits at his backyard in Kwara, doesn't charity begin at home?

Look at you

Putindbutt:
What's wrong with wailers ffs!. How can any sensible person compare a coup with terrorism that's unconventional or asymmetric in nature. These election losers are lying that the Govt doesn't deploy attack helicopters against bandits or terrorists. But a lots of times the NAF has conducted airstrikes on bandits hideouts across the north. Sometimes when they did, wailers cry that they were bombing civilians.
How does wailers think all these lies would win them the election?

Bloomberg wants to win election? Wonderful

Those bandits your heartless government negotiates with, do they live under Atlantic Ocean?

How about the multiple terrorism sponsors they have refused to arrest and jail for life?

Keep deceiving yourself, na tribalism dey worry una.

It's long overdue.

Let Nigeria have a one party State.

It will help move our democracy higher

Image123:
Some people go still complain, na their destiny.

It takes intelligence to not be a psychopath and tribally naive.

I thought they said our military personals are overstretched, and we needed urgent military recruitment.

How come we left Zamfara, Katsina, Niger, and North East just to send our limited troops to Benin?

ISWAP killed a brigadier general, how many troops have we sent into Sambisa?

Seunmsg what do you have to say about this misplaced priority, or do you believe Tinubu is like God that never does mistake?

IkpuMmadu:
Then die and go and meet your Allah and he will give you huris aka virgins with everlasting strength

Amumaigwe:
Pilgrimage to mecca may even be more important that your life, but you need to be able to afford it first. It is wrong to use the resources meant for everyone and every group to finance the religious observance of only a group of people. It is immoral

advanceDNA:
See them ...everything is blasphemy, and shariah.....thatsvwhy u are always quick to be offended lashing out with violence.....u must tag everything blasphemy just because pple have different opinion from you ppl.??

How does going to mecca develop your country.... U pple just talk as if religion has impaired your faculties ...

delpee:
Pilgrimage is desirable but it's for those who can afford it. Isn't that what the Holy Book says?

I was speaking from the perspective of a typical Muslim, that doesn't make me a Muslim.
We should learn to respect people's religion ooh.
Allahu Akbar

Islam is more important than worldly things like State affairs.

That why Muslims want sharia, as to address situations like this more islamically.

It's Blasphemous to think a pilgrimage to mecca isn't more important than worldly state development.

OyigboUpdate:
This people have destroyed our land

But you were once among them?

You be like El Rufia wey APC no give appointment, he begin work against APC.

FreeStuffsNG:
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Don't be an olodo. Nigeria can't embark on such with a single jet and non-combat mode.

It's on ariel espionage mission, not on confrontational combat, or an air raid.
It's simply for reconnaissance like I said earlier.

You don't expect multiple jets to do it.

Burkina Faso is a landlocked impoverished nation. You don't need airstrike to bring them down. ECOWAS is still feeding them.

Ecowas doesn't feed Burkina Faso, they pay for everything they buy.
And secondly, it's the military Junta they have problem with right? Why unify the junta with Burkina people as a unified enemy and talk about bring them down? Are they Gaza that they will have to pay the price for Traore? No

This is not tiktok or social media content creation. Nigeria is not at war with Burkina Faso and our airplane is not on combat mission. Forget your infantile spin and conspiracy theory.

We still feed and send petrol to Niger yet we didn't strike them, it is not poor tiny and distant Burkina Faso that we will now strike.

What are you saying? You feed Niger and you dash them Petrol for free? So the whole Niger are using free petrol from Nigeria while we buy Petrol here?

We are feeding Niger, yet many almajiris are hungry and cost of food still high, yet we are feeding Niger? Never knew they don't give us 1 kobo.

Hahahahahaa

illicit:
bros, thats exactly what i am saying, you dont need a pilot and 9 officers to monitor bukina asshol

a drone, uav can do all that

pls lets not underrate nigeria as bad as e bad.

Nigeria Air Force is a local champion, next time they would be blown off without warning.

Burkina faso's magnanimity should not be taken for granted.

FreeStuffsNG:
I am not sure that you comprehend the report.

The soldiers were not on combat mission and probably routine ECOWAS patrol with no previous hostile notice given by Burkina Faso because we are not at war with them. The impostor coupist is apprehensive for obvious reasons that Nigeria can dislodge him from power.

Burkina Faso will not dare face Nigeria and ECOWAS for obvious reasons. They have been at the magnanimity of ECOWAS countries on humanitarian grounds. Nigeria still bailed out Niger recently with about 400 tankers of fuel when they got stranded. Burkina Faso, Mali are impoverished and landlocked, and like Niger, still using sea ports of ECOWAS countries to recieve everything they depend on and even export.

If this report is true, I will not be surprised if our aircraft and soldiers are already home.

They don’t want the Benin experience from Nigeria and the rest of ECOWAS.

It's nice to know that ECOWAS is now taking the fight to them after Benin.

Relax.

France lobbied Nigeria to carry out similar precision strikes and avert the military rule with brute force, having been impressed by Nigeria's latest military outing in Benin to neutralize the now failed coup.

Little did amateur NAF know that BF now has modern missile air defense system given to them by Russia.

As local naive NAF were violating their airspace for reconnaissance, they received a call to make an emergency landing or risk being dismissed eternally from the sky.

They hastily landed and got detained.

Nigeria Air Force is a local champion, next time they would be blown off without warning.

Burkina faso's magnanimity should not be taken for granted.

Mattswaggz:
If you don't believe in afterlife, no right thinking person would ask you to provide evidence that made you not to believe.
And neither would you dismiss something you don't know for certain.

Firstly...not believing in Afterlife doesn't require any evidence as it's like or it's closer to being natural and/or neutral.....the burden of evidence lies upon those who make the claims and view it as facts.

Secondly....if you're a believer in God (especially Abrahamic religion) then you shouldn't be a believer of "Time travel" .....Time travel will most likely nullify the concept of God depicted by the belief systems mentioned above.....if mortals could achieve such then they could shape and influence the future which will someone expose the concept of God depicted by those religions....or what do you think?. .

Firstly, when someone believes in something, the burden of prove doesn't lie upon them. Because to believe is to accept the existence of something without empirical evidence.
So you can't ask a believer to give you evidence.

Secondly, Time travel doesn't conflict with the concept of God. As a matter of fact, it amplifies it.
We actually time travel in other realities, such as in our dreams.

In our dreams, we can go back in time, be in the present, and even go into the future. But it's limited.
Some people can see an event that will happen in January through their dream, they would live it first in their dream. it means they travelled into the future, they only difference is that they can't do so when they wake up in real life. God allow people travel into the future through dreams.
If humans develops a technology that can allow us time travel, it would even make us understand the concept of God better.

The Abrahamic religion you cited isn't about describing the fundamental aspect of God, it was more about history, laws, what and what not to do.
There is more to God, than the history of middle eastern ancestors and the laws given to them.

Mattswaggz:
So in essence you believe in life after death(assumably the non-linear time you're talking about and if not specify it)or scientific time travel being a possibility?.

I believe in afterlife, but my believe doesn't determine if it's real or not.

Many atheists depend on mainstream scientific explanations and basic human logic to disbelief or self-disprove the afterlife.

But little do they know that science has not even disproved the afterlife, they simply don't just know.

Shockingly, there are scientific theories about the possibility of an afterlife.
One of the most popular theories is the Quantum Consciousness
This is the closest thing to a scientific afterlife theory.
Idea:
Consciousness isn’t just brain chemistry, it may involve quantum processes inside microtubules in brain cells.
If true, then:
Consciousness might not depend only on the physical brain.
Quantum information could survive physical death.
Roger Penrose ( Nobel Prize in physics ) supports this model.

Why people link it to afterlife:
Quantum information cannot be destroyed (per quantum theory).
So some argue this “information” could persist after death.
Though, it's highly controversial.
Not proven.
Not ruled out.

As for whether time travel is a possibility, the simple answer is Yes.
If time is truly non-linear, then time travel becomes possible in the physics sense, even if humans can’t do it.

Imagine in the year 300BC, humans debating if radio waves is possible? They simply wouldn't know since they didn't have the technology to detect or understand it, but radio waves were there.
Humans today may not be able to travel in time because they don't have the technology, or that our dimension doesn't support the experience, who knows? But time travel is part of nature.

So when people disbelief in God and afterlife, it's not because they have understood much, they are following basic human knowledge. I have been there..

DomPerignon:
You guys don't need enemies.

You are your biggest enemies.

Are you scared of having enemies?

Dekadet:
The real powerful people are behind the scene, and I did not see any of their names there. Some of the people in the list up there work for the most powerful people -if not all.

Give one example of the real powerful people?

Kemetian:
THE GIANT OF AFRICA.

We are not called that for no reason...

In fact the entire West Africa owes its stability to Nigeria.

If you visit Sierra Leone or Liberia today as a Nigerian, they literally worship the ground you walk on, due to their memory of how the Nigerian military ended their wars....

But why can't we end Boko Haram and Bandits that are within our country showcasing themselves all over social media?

If Nigeria can neutralize a military coup plotters in another country with precision strikes, I can tell you for sure that Nigeria Government are complicit with Bandits and Boko Haram.

BlackPantherxXx:
2015, you cried because Tinubu installed Buhari.

2023, you wept because BAT installed himself.

You have supported EVERY country that has gone /spoken against Nigeria from Niger to US to Benin to even the false flags of Russia during EndSARS.

Yet you wonder why you guys don't thrive in Nigeria.

Do you know that Northern Nigeria is the biggest victim of Nigeria, and not Igbos?

Do you know outside of Government appointment jobs, that igbos are the people exploiting one Nigeria the most?

Igbos are not victims of one Nigeria, it's the political class, and it's even just presidency, nothing else.

It's not like the presidency even benefits a tribe.

Look at Katsina today, even after Buhari's tenure.

Tell me one single thing Yorubas have benefited as a people for having Osinbajo and Tinubu as Presidents? You see?

Blacks people should start thinking deep.

I want the country to become a one party state.

The revolution would go round.