₦airaland Forum

9jatriot:
Why is Lagos always the target of you guys? Na so una claim to de do EndSars yet na Lagos una target.

With people like you, Nigeria does not need any other enemies. You guys will willingly give out details of possible targets to enemy nations with the way you are going.

Honestly, millions of Nigerians would be ready to give out coordinates of important places and important informations for just chicken change, and I wouldn't blame them because our politicians has taught them that with money, any body can be bribed.

That being said, igbos would even do it for free, and I don't blame them either .

Ibtxxo:
Wetin I no go see for igbo land.
My girl mum , him husband no pay her pride price and now the ndi inchie told me I must pay her mum own before I pay my girl.
Who does that?

Is her father late? Does she have an elder brother or an uncle? Let them go and pay for her mom's bride price; if they don't have the money, you can borrow or dash them. That's if you think your wife to be is worth the sacrifice, or you move on to another woman.


I presume her father is/was broke to not have paid for her wife's bride price. Nawa Sha

Juliet Ibrahim or Luchy Donalds

Felimax:
Same way your heroes are serving life in prison for Biafra to come.
Go and zone it to the East na.

Lol!

At once nobody is talking of Biafra again. You guys suddenly discovered that there is Anioma in Oxford dictionary.

Sense!

You see what I've been telling you.

Go and protest against it now, before its late.

Look for like minds, sure they must be around.

https://www.nairaland.com/8581566/anioma-youths-protesting-join-south

Dogalmighty17:
On the face of it, this should be a genius political move. If fubara plays it right, he becomes Tinubu's point man in River's state. This will effectively clip Wike's wings. But fubara lacks gravitas and chutzpah. The kind of thing that made Tinubu seek out Wike.

The APC machinery in River's state is Fubara's to control now. Does he have the ability? Will Wike control the machinery of both the APC or the PDP? If he does, then Fubara's decamping is useless.

Wike structure is gone.

Wike structure is in PDP, now Rivers is APC.

Mattswaggz:
Stop acting dumb and out of touch with the topic of discussion.....you said science goes hand in hand with your religious beliefs....you disagreed with me that science disapprove major percentage of your belief system to some extent and that's what led us here.

So it's either you admit that religion doesn't go hand in hand with science with one complimenting and amplifying the other or back the event I sited as an example Scientifically........do the necessary and stop beating about the bush.

I've already told you earlier that science and most religious beliefs (including yours) can hardly thrive as one and you said not only can they but they actually do......so establish how and where because as far as I am concerned they're like day and Night.....the method of one is contrary to the method of the other....while religion would mostly require faith and just adherence without basic reasons most of the time,science requires facts, evidences,track records and reasons to follow.

I am still waiting for your scientific proof or your admittance that you've lied.... beating about the bush changes nothing. .

I’ve already explained the scientific angle behind the flood story countless times(Rising sea level worldwide, post ice-age floods, which are scientifically proven)

I can’t manufacture a laboratory experiment for an event recorded through ancient oral history.
If you can’t reconcile that, it’s more about your level of open-mindedness, not mine.

I’m not admitting to lying. I’m pointing out that you’re demanding scientific proof for something that belongs to theology, ancient narrative, and cultural memory.
That’s a mismatch of methods, not a moral failure.
Science deals with physical mechanisms; religion deals with meaning, memory, and interpretation.
The two can coexist without one replacing or disproving the other.
I never said the literal ark has scientific proof. I said the origin of the story could come from real catastrophic floods after the Ice Age, which science actually supports. That’s reasonable.
But since you believe every historical claim must be scientifically proven, let me show you the flaw:
Where is the scientific proof of where Socrates’ maternal grandmother came from?
If you can’t provide empirical evidence, does that mean she never existed? Of course not.

That’s exactly the mistake you’re making; trying to force science to verify every ancient narrative as if it were a physics experiment.

So here’s the final point
1)Either define what you consider valid proof, or
2)Stop insisting that every religious or historical claim must meet a scientific standard that even regular history doesn’t meet, that's hypocrisy

Mattswaggz:
Lol....stop using classical physics and quantum whatsoever to compare here.... science has never claimed to be 100% right....it either works with facts or it maintains certain theory.

Now back to the topic.....are you admitting that the story is a lie and the writer (Inspired by ur lord) was lying as well?......if "No" then you haven't proven the event Scientifically then and neither can it be proven....which also means that you've failed to back ur earlier claim that science goes hand in hand with ur beliefs. .

I didn't say Moses lied, I said even if it turned out to be a lie, that it wasn't his fault because stories evolve, and can be misrepresented. I was talking hypothetically.

Oral history isn’t the same thing as scientific documentation.
Ancient people preserved events the best way they could, and stories can evolve. That doesn’t make them lies, it just means they weren’t doing modern science.
A story can come from a real event but still be recorded in symbolic or exaggerated form.

Science doesn’t confirm the literal details, but it does confirm large regional floods after the Ice Age and rising sea levels.
So the foundation is plausible even if the exact ancient narrative isn’t a scientific report.

Expecting ancient writers to produce classroom reviewed science is unrealistic. Their goal wasn’t scientific precision.

When you said I should stop comparing classical physics and quantum physics, you missed what I meant.
The analogy wasn’t about physics itself.

It was about how even within science, two accurate systems can conflict and still both be valid in their own domains. So conflict alone doesn’t make something FALSE.

I’m not claiming the Noah story is scientifically proven. I’m saying it’s not scientifically impossible that ancient people remembered a real catastrophic flood and preserved it in the way ancient cultures did; through narrative, symbolism, and oral tradition.
Science supports widespread floods after the Ice Age; it doesn’t verify the Noah's ark story. Those two can coexist without contradiction.

You don't expect to see a dy/dx prove of how it tallies with science. Moses didn't study in Harvard.

Mattswaggz:
You still haven't explained anything yet..... because your write up is suggesting the author of the verse in the Bible (which is assumably inspired by the Lord) was lying.

The biblical event was premeditated, prewarmed and caused to happened and it was said to kill every living land Animal except for those in the ark.....which means that those people you're talking about in other places in the world wouldn't have survived to tell the story...only the chosen one's in the ark could've told the story.

So I ask again for the last damn time...... explain that flood event Scientifically or accept that you've lied.

I have told you how I reconciled it with science.
It may be subjective because understanding differs.
Moses was probably writing the History that was passed down to him.
The downside of oral history is that it changes slightly over the years. 2,000 years before Moses is not beans.

Assuming Moses lied about it, it's just history, he wasn't there, that's what he was told, and it isn't his fault if it turned out to be a lie due to the way he wrote it down. It can't be totally dismissed, after the ice age, sea level rose globally.


Even classical physics conflicts with quantum mechanics, and no scientist has been able to unify it.
So that doesn't mean that Christian religion is against science orr contradicts it.

It's not a solid ground to disbelief in the existence of God.

Giftedhand47:
Flight no be by force my dear sister

Is it possible that someone can forget their sense in a toilet? I have been wondering

Did you by mistake miss road when going to school?

Prince16:
The bolded was what I was looking out for when I saw the caption, and I wasn't disappointed
**Is ngige guilty as charged?? That question doesn't matter. What matters is "he's igbo" so he mustn't be touched!

It's simply because he's igbo.

So Tinubu are looking for guilty people? How many APC members in his circle has he charged? Or you mean they are all saints?

He went after Emefiele and we all know why, you can't gaslight anybody with your political Taqiyaa

Mattswaggz:
Flood myths by diversified cultures/people doesn't verify the Flood event in the Bible.....The flood event was premeditated,prewarmed caused to happen by the Lord and only those who were in the ark were saved (both humans and Animals)....The Flood was worldwide according to the Bible and every land Animal that wasn't in the ark died. That's what I asked you to explain not to justify the belief in comparism to that of others....I already know it was a belief and I care less if it's spread across different cultures and religions...floods are normal thing that happened across different locations and different quantities globally.

So I repeat again explain the flood event Scientifically because as far as science is concerned as at now, such thing couldn't have happened in history.

There is a scientific theory called The Black Sea Flood (7,600 years ago)
At the end of the last Ice Age, sea levels rose globally.
Geological evidence suggests the water level rose hundreds of feet and submerged large inhabited areas.
For people living there, it could be perceived as the whole world flooding, because their “world” was limited to what they could see

The above is what I said earlier.

But have you thought it from the angle that they didn't explain that part well because of their limited knowledge of geography and geology?

Mattswaggz:
Okay explain that flood event Scientifically let's see the depth of this madness you're insisting on. .

Lol, relax, I was once like you, or even worse.

There is a scientific theory called The Black Sea Flood (7,600 years ago)
At the end of the last Ice Age, sea levels rose globally.
Geological evidence suggests the water level rose hundreds of feet and submerged large inhabited areas.
For people living there, it could be perceived as the whole world flooding, because their “world” was limited to what they could see.

Flood Myths Worldwide Point to a Shared Human Memory.
More than 200 cultures have flood myths.
Mesopotamian, Greek, Chinese, Native American, African, Indian, etc..

Emu4life:
Beer is prohibited in that geographical area just as cocain and cannabis are prohibited in certain geographic area.

Does Nigerian law prohibit alcohol? Or we now have different constitution in this country.

No region has the right to prohibit alcohol for everybody when it's not prohibited in our constitution.

I hate house flies more than snakes.

brain54:
Tigers are larger in size...

Bigger claws, larger teeth abi fangs more strength and a bigger bite Force.

Lion's strength is more in their pack abi pride(group of lions)

Tiger is used to being a solo fighter!

But in most of their documented fights, Tiger yielded.

Mattswaggz:
Finally.... adding emotions to arguments which is a traits akin to y'all Abrahamic religious individuals have started to show gradually as expected..... .

Anyways you can try to twist fact all you want.... Scientifically the earth is millions-billions of years old but it isn't up to millions of years biblically....the Flood and the story of Noah can hardly be proven Scientifically due to different reasons which include uniqueness of certain animals to certain continents, countries and/or locations etc.

Anyone being honest knows that basic scientific logic doesn't go hand in hand with most religion as you claim.

If we start breaking down biblical events and questioning them Scientifically....Genesis alone will expose a lot without even needing to go to Exodus.

I haven't felt or shown any signs of emotions so far, you misjudged anything that make you feel I responded emotionally, I'm way too far from that.

The book of Genesis was written by Moses, he wrote about the Noah's ark.

Guess what?
That story had existed for over 2000 years before Moses's time. I mean, 2000-2100 BC.

Abraham was from Ur of the Chaldees, a city in ancient Mesopotamia (modern day Iraq), home to the Sumerians who told stories like the Epic of Gilgamesh, including a great flood.

Growing up in this culture,
Abraham likely heard these tales and carried them with him as he moved and started his family.
Over generations, these stories were passed down, evolving into the Hebrew traditions recorded in the Bible, including the story of Noah and the Ark, preserving the memory of Mesopotamian cultural heritage within his lineage.

The people that wrote it weren't there when it happened to know exactly happened, they passed down the story for thousands of years, until Moses added it to the Hebrew Bible.

They doesn't mean religion conflicts with science, science explains religion better.

Mattswaggz:
Lol..... you're naming Individual beliefs to discredit what I said....the Bible documented history (assumably from when this very world was created) till date and according to that documentation, the earth is 6000+yrs....use the Bible to show otherwise not individual belief system and claims.

If you believe that the Biblical belief system doesn't clash with scientific findings then that "ur own opinion" the written words are clear and there are a lot of clashes.

There is no documentation on the Bible that states, or suggests that the Earth is 6,000 years old.
it was in the 1600s that a bishop proposed it, and was entitled to his opinion.

Many theologians disagree with that. What the bishop said it's not a fact, it was entirely his personal opinion. Don't attach it to the Bible.

I stated this earlier, but you still wanted to believe in your propaganda, lol.
You are not seeking the truth, you just don't want to believe.
You can choose not to believe, but it doesn't mean you should associate personal opinion of a medieval bishop with the Bible.

I repeat, Bible doesn't clash with science.

Unless you bring up propaganda and associate it with the Bible, then it may conflict.
It's not written anywhere in the Bible that the Earth is 6,000 years old.
When the City of UR, the hometown of Abraham, which was in modern day Iraq has existed for more than 7,000 years?

When Egypt has existed for more than 7,000 years?

It's either you don't understand the Bible or that you don't understand science, if you understand the both, you can unify them effortlessly. But when you lock up your mind, you can't understand it.

According to the history you said Bible documented, tell me the number of years that passed between Adam to Noah?

Mattswaggz:
Nope.....you're wrong.... science does disapprove to Bible to some extent.

For instance...this world is millions-billions of years old scientific but around 6000+ yrs old biblically so which do you stand with if you're a scientist and also a dedicated believer?. .

The Bible does not state that the world is 6,000 years old. That number comes from human calculations, especially Bishop Ussher in the 1600s, who added up biblical genealogies.
These genealogies are not precise chronological records, so the 6,000 year figure is interpretation, not scripture. Many modern Bible scholars accept that the Earth is far older based on science and the nature of biblical genealogies.
No verse in the Bible highlights the age of the earth.
Georges Lemaitre
Father of the Big Bang theory,
Was a Catholic priest and a professor of physics.
He saw no conflict between God and cosmology.

Owen Gingerich, Harvard astrophysicist and cosmologist.
Believes the universe shows signs of design.

William Lane Craig
Not a scientist by profession but works deeply with cosmology in philosophy of physics.
Argues scientifically for a creator.

John Polkinghorne, Quantum physicist, Cambridge professor.
Became a theologian; believed in God.

There is no way you would understand science, and not believe in a creator.
Many nairaland atheists are baby atheists, they depended on scientific discoveries to become an atheist, but many of them doesn't it even understand it like they think.

There is no conflict between science and religion, bring up another conflict let me debunk it.
I was once like you around 2016-2017, but I didn't stop there.

Mattswaggz:
Time travel remains a possibility as human knowledge/science has proven to increase with time.

Good thing you're of the belief that God is bigger than religion and you've also clarified that you're not a believer of one of those Abrahamic religion because that was what I wanted to clarify..... believing in such religion doesn't go hand in hand with such deep scientific possibilities like transfer of consciousness ,Time travel,DNA modification et al you know.

I'm a Christian, and there is no conflict between scientific possibilities and Christianity.
It's just that many people aren't able to reconcile them because of their limited understanding of science.
Firstly, Christianity is a way of life and not a handbook for the fundamental aspect of nature. It's just like comparing your physics textbook to your History book and constitution.

Science is like your physics textbook, while bible is like our History and constitution merged together, one doesn't disprove the other, they can compliment each other to make us live a better life.
While the constitution guides our morality, Physics makes us understand our environment better for our good, no conflict.

That the Bible didn't talk about time travel and genetic engineering doesn't mean it's against it.
God is a scientist.

The will still release him once he decides to support APC.

Unless it's America that is behind the arrest.

Tjra:
Military coup of civilians government is the real violation of people's rights.

I honestly don't know why most Obidients are actively supporting coups.

I'm 100% certain none of you would support having a military sole administrator any state in the East.

I asked a question that doesn't relate to coup, and you are talking another thing?

With your logic, anyone shouting sovereignty and against Trump's threat to eliminate terrorists is also in support of terrorists?

With your logic, the end justifies the means?

So we have been violating people's sovereignty all these while.

Mattswaggz:
You can ask for evidence about beliefs that aren't default....for instance no human was born with certain religious beliefs by default they were thought and if they declare that what they were thought is the "absolute truth" then there is a burden to provide evidence/proofs to back such claims.

Also, prophetic abilities and/or the ability to see revelations (past or future) has been in existence for a long as humanity and can hardly be put in the same category as the scientific time travel we're talking about here..... Scientific time travels entails humans using their knowledge to build a device that can take them at will to any timeline and ot course to could change anything in that timeline at will which will in essence make anyone of those who wield such tool "godlike".

And also..... it would seems like you're not a believer of Abrahamic religions then because if you do then you should know better than to believe in time travel.

why are we not currently seeing time travellers from the future, does it mean we aren't going to be able to build it?
Could it mean it's not something we can experience in this timeline or reality? I mean our current 3D, since our current biology is limited to space and time?

Leave Abrahamic religion, the concept of God is bigger than any religion.

Kemetian:
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There's no such thing as "hideout of terrorists".

They have NO 'HIDEOUT'.

They are embedded within communities whom they basically use as human shields, because they know the only way you can get them is by carpet bombing whole civilian communities.

Go and learn what terrorism is and how they operate, because you know nothing, just like your fellow loudmouths here.

Arrest and prosecute the sponsors, you don't fight terrorism by killing every single fighter.
You fight the engine, which Nigerian government has refused to.

No arrest or Jailing for life.

LegendHero:
Trump move quickly on Nigeria to come gun blazing, can he do the same at home by stopping the gun shooting death of over 11,000 in 2025 alone in USA?

Can Tinubu stop the over 1,000 kidnapping and hundreds of murder committed by bandits and terrorists who lives and operate within our territory?

Why is he forming hero in Benin, while there is IDP camp littered in the North?

garykoeman:
Some people are still pained the coup failed and President Tinubu ended up being the hero.

President Tinubu, history will remember you as a great pan African leader.

First civilian president to quash a coup.

Thank you sir, for your steadfastness.

Nigeria are with you.

How about to stop the Bandits at his backyard in Kwara, doesn't charity begin at home?

Look at you

Putindbutt:
What's wrong with wailers ffs!. How can any sensible person compare a coup with terrorism that's unconventional or asymmetric in nature. These election losers are lying that the Govt doesn't deploy attack helicopters against bandits or terrorists. But a lots of times the NAF has conducted airstrikes on bandits hideouts across the north. Sometimes when they did, wailers cry that they were bombing civilians.
How does wailers think all these lies would win them the election?

Bloomberg wants to win election? Wonderful

Those bandits your heartless government negotiates with, do they live under Atlantic Ocean?

How about the multiple terrorism sponsors they have refused to arrest and jail for life?

Keep deceiving yourself, na tribalism dey worry una.

It's long overdue.

Let Nigeria have a one party State.

It will help move our democracy higher

Image123:
Some people go still complain, na their destiny.

It takes intelligence to not be a psychopath and tribally naive.