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Logicboy03: The origin of things remain a mystery and unknown.

The origin of things can not be god and it can have no name or presence as it is unknown.

Appeal to ignorance

Deep Sight: You said so, not I.

Anyway, this world was created by men elsewhere, but of course you may not know this.

The origin of all things remains God.

Interesting. Please explain

Logicboy03: Timeless- no time
Eternal- infinite in time

lol, timeless can also mean infinite time. In any case, I'll say you should be happy I changed it to eternal that way I am properly representing your argument

Cyclical universes would each have a beginning. Think of it as oscillating

Yeah but they will all need to exist in an eternal realm, no? Plus the cycle has to actually start somewhere. . . Or do you want to talk about the pendulum that never starts swinging?

[quote author=outc@st]Na manmustwac o!

The guy made me a 'scapegoat' yesterday...[/quote]Lol, for wetin na?

Logicboy03: lol...."theory" has many meanings.

Theorized has a different meaning from "theory".


But thanks for another strawman

perhaps you should tell us what you mean by theorized and how it doesn't mean you have a theory?

Logicboy03: See the dubious douche? From "timeless realm" you have changed it to "eternal realm"


No, what I did was a possible hint at cyclical universes.

What is the difference between "timeless realm" and "eternal realm"? They both mean the same thing.

So? what about cyclical universes? Still needs an eternal realm in order to exist

Deep Sight: I can not say one thing and my oga at the top comes and says a different thing.

If he is a thinking person, he will recognize that in that statement alone, his entire worldview collapses.

Logicboy, you are yet to think.

Lololol, the guy is as religiously fanatic as they come. Watch him come and debunk himself very soon.

[quote author=outc@st]Sorry I forgot to mention that I am striktlymi...[/quote]wetin do your username?

Logicboy03: Fail.


I just theorized that time is not limited to one universe- especially spacetime.

I theorized that there could be time outside our universe.


You straw manned my quote

Lololol you obviously don't know what a strawman is neither do you know what a theory is

Logicboy03: Explain yourself

You have just admitted to the existence of an eternal realm

Logicboy03: It is like asking me what is more plausible between leprechaun gold and fairy magic.



However, infinite regress as a concept is more plausible. We know that numbers and any concept with numbers will run into such paradoxes.


The thing about the past is that you can keep going back to a time before any specific time.
[size=16pt]The time (spacetime) of our universe might have a beginning but that doesnt mean that time outside our universe has a beginning.[/size]

Daz all.

truthislight: Lol.

Who determines what contradicts what and does not contradict ? You ? Lol.

Guy, you funny die.

Keep deluding yourself.

*sigh*

uhm, have you had your vitamins this morning?

Logicboy03: Period.

It is not even the delusion that bothers me. What pains me is the fact that the poster can just shun people/places as being wrong/evil without any evidence. The holy spirit guides in illogical discrimination

Mtscheew, is that what was bugging you? I thought you had something better to cry about. Anyway, so long enjoy your thread I've got better things to waste my time on.

What's the point of the op?

[quote author=From_Guiriga]You are right. The early follower of Jesus were from Judah or lived in Judea.
What Jews are you talking about?
[/quote]What Jews where you thinking of when you brought up Romans 1:16?

thehomer: The Bible already says having certain thoughts is a sin you on the other hand are just attaching conditions to make yourself feel good.

Lol, you are just clutching for straws here. I have made myself clear.

No that doesn't answer the question. I'm saying the devil and those other angels didn't even have any flesh at all yet they rebelled.

That's just it. As far as I can see, he can in fact say that since we know that those angels whose greatest desires was initially to glorify God decided not to do so.

Go and read my answer again. Also read the article I linked.

So worship is no longer an action? What about all the chanting of Hallelujah? Now hanging out looking at beautiful women glorifies God? Well bring on the beauty pageants. Mr anony says its all okay now. You do know that the Bible refers to unicorns and dragons. Would you prefer it if I replaced unicorn with dragon?

Still clutching straws are we? Worship like Love is not an action, it is a state of being. I can be chanting Halleluyah and yet not be worshiping just like I can be singing a love song and yet not be loving.
Secondly: In what way is looking at beautiful women a sin?
And thirdly: Not only dragons, if you like talk about hobbits and elves you would still have to show from the bible where you saw that they will be in Heaven with the saints of God

shdemidemi: I will address this topic on another thread. I can assure you, you will agree when I explain it.

I can't wait. Be sure to link it where I can see it

[quote author=From_Guiriga]I agree.
What's your take on this Romans 1:16[/quote]I say Amen to that. The gospel came to the Jews first after all. Following in line after the Jews doesn't make our salvation any less authentic. Read Colossians 3:11

[quote author=From_Guiriga]Give me your context.[/quote]my context? sure you don't mean the bible's context?

thehomer: Sure you won't call it a sin but then, you're not the judge.

but the bible also wouldn't call it sin. For a thing to be sin, it has to be committed. Sin does not happen to people. People actually do commit sin

Yes that is the idea you're operating under but for what reason does the devil sin? For what reason do the demons sin? They don't have any flesh to satisfy either.

I've answered this here

You're still missing the point. Can Mr. Dahmer who remembers how he lived on earth say you know what God, I'm here in heaven now and although I feel like worshiping you (I'm granting your idea that his desires themselves have been magically transformed not that I actually accept it), I will not be worshiping you. I would be out on the banks of the river looking at unicorns and beautiful women.

You are the one missing the point

Can Mr. Dahmer who remembers how he lived on earth say "you know what God, I'm here in heaven now and although my greatest desire is and what my life is all about is to glorify you, I will not be glorifying you?

The remaining part stems from your false assumption that worship is an action instead of a state of being in devotion to God which it is. Second is your false assumption that looking at beautiful women does not glorify God. . . .and finally I don't know from which bible you read that unicorns will be floating around in Heaven.

[quote author=From_Guiriga]What?
Matthew 5:7 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

I ask you this, can only a Jew have a pure heart?[/quote]No where in the bible does it say that only a Jew can have a pure heart

frosbel: ^^^


You are still dribbling yourself with illogic.

Frosbel let me ask you point blank: Does the bible teach us to worship Jesus Christ? Yes or No

benalvino: him no go gree cause him no understand the mission that God did for us... he thought God is lazy and never did anything even in Creating the Universe he did it through some one... to die for us he asked somebody to go and do It for us... the moment you say jesus is not God the bible go turn upside down... because he go mean say idol naim create every the... and the u shall not worship any other God before me go turn to joke...

for ever and ever...

Bros the story never finish o. Open your bible and read about the Lamb in Revelations you go shock. That's what I'm doing right now and it is blowing my mind

^^^Here is one sweet verse to ponder

Revelations 5:13
[size=14pt]Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing:
To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honour and glory and power, for ever and ever![/size]

Isn't it beautiful how all creatures both on earth and in heaven worship the Father and the Son together at the same time?

ijawkid: Please where did isaiah call Jesus the everlasting God??.....where??...you wan start your gymnastics??.....

I am only using the same gymnastics I would have used to call Yahweh the Everlasting Creator from this verse:

Do you not know? Have you not heard? The LORD is the everlasting God, the Creator of the ends of the earth. He will not grow tired or weary, and his understanding no-one can fathom.(Isaiah 40:

Or do you want to argue that Jehovah is not the everlasting creator? If you accept my "gymnastics" here. Then I don't see why you oppose the same when it proves Jesus is the everlasting God

as we know now Jesus is a powerful king and ruler...God his Father has given him power and kingdoms to rule.....so isaiah predicted well when he said this son would be called EL GIBBOR....his being called that name is by virtue of the fact that his God would give him kingdoms and make him great........but trinitarians would run around thinking isaiah who knew there is but one GOD the Father (Yahweh) the God of gods is refering to the one who is to be born as the almighty God......

You are hallucinating again.

And EL doesn't just mean GOd...do your research well....do it and stop this run arounds......

I could quote verses where el gibbor was used for powerful human rulers and kings...and I had earlier said the name Gabriel is from el-gibbor....you missed that I guess.......

Gabriel specifically means "Strong man of God" stop trying to panel beat his name into "Mighty God"

No way would a Jew read isaiah 9:6 and assume that the son who is to be born is God almighty.....

The Jews also didn't agree that Isaiah 9:6 referred to Jesus Christ.

Thank you.....

Thank you too

ijawkid: Anony,,,,anony,,,,,,,,chei...smh......I am not saying Jesus is not called God ....anything or person can be called GOD....

The question is who is the one GOD??.....


The Father is the one GOD.....abi you know see am for the 1 corinthians 8:6 you read??.......

Why are you been dubious??......

Does 1 corinthians give any space for the son and the holy spirit??......

Or make I bring pen make we add the son and holy spirit to the one GOD??.........

And I say Amen! you have agreed with statement 1 but it does not contradict any of the statements I made.

thehomer: So the lustful thought just flashing through one's mind or the covetous thought just flashing through one's mind is okay.

I wouldn't call that sin. It is an unconscious thought in the same way it is not a sin at all if someone shot me in the head while sleepwalking because it is an unconscious action.

I arrived at it on the basis that the person remembers how they were on earth. Even if the desire has changed, if the person has free-will, then the person can still choose to do something that isn't consonant with their desire. They may not like it but they can still choose to do it.

True but the point is that we sin in order to gratify the flesh. Without the flesh, it is impossible to sin. For instance a person steals, fornicates, is greedy, is selfish, is a drunkard e.t.c. because he wants to gratify the flesh. When the rapture happens, the flesh will be discarded and replaced with a new Spiritual body which the Lord will give to us. Now not only will our desire be to serve God, we will also no longer have any flesh to gratify. For instance:
How can one be greedy or steal or cheat in heaven when not only does he not have the desire, God's resources are truly limitless?
How can one kill or maim anyone when we have life eternal and there is no desire to do so?
How can one lust carnally in heaven when not only do we not have the desire, the body that would have derived pleasure from such has been discarded?

Sorry thehomer, I can't see whatever it is you are seeing.

thehomer: Really? Okay. Don't think about an elephant.
Did you think about an elephant?

Lol, nice try. You and I know that there is an obvious difference between a thought flashing into a person's mind and a person consciously engaging in a thought. You cannot be punished for a sin that was not consciously commited. That's the point of having free-will and being accountable for it.

How will it not be available? As long as the person remembers how he was, then it will always be available.

How did you arrive a this conclusion? Remember that not only is the desire changed, the object of the desire as well as the cause of the desire (i.e. the flesh) also don't exist anymore.

[quote author=inspiredbyGOD:.]The word "God" is just a title hence it can be used to refer to both Christ and the Holy Spirit. What I want you to show me is a verse that explicitly states that the Father {God} is one being and yet three persons at the same time.[/quote]You'll have to show where you found the bolded in scripture. Secondly statement 11 is the inevitable conclusion you get to if all preceding 10 statements are true. wouldn't you agree?

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Uhm can't post my phone number here mate. Have you still got my email addy?

musKeeto: So you dey whatsapp? You still get my number?

I think I still do, I'm not sure. Do you have my number? You can add me on Whatsapp sha if you do

ijawkid: The bolded contradicts 1 corinthians 8:6......

And don't go on yapping about....

New International Version
(©2011)
yet for us there is but one God,
the Father, from whom all things
came and for whom we live; and
there is but one Lord, Jesus
Christ, through whom all things
came and through whom we live.


To us there is ONE GOD who is one being and he is the FATHER...

You would have to re-write scriptures to support your false stance

Lol no it doesn't. The verse you quoted agrees with statement 1 and statement 2 but it doesn't contradict the rest.

Yes God is One, Yes the Father is God. . .but note this does not say that Jesus is not God, neither does it say that the Holy Spirit is not God. It contradicts nothing.

ayenny02: "Son of God" is the same as "Servant of God" in Hebrew!

God speaks to the nation as though he were a single person. Israel is, in fact, God's son (Exod 4:22 Deut 14:1 Jer 31:9 Hosea 11:1)

I say amen to all those. But note that in Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7 God speaks as multiple persons. Remember my argument is that God is one being but not one person

Israel's Father nurtures him to grow up and become a worshiping servant (Exod 4:23 — "Let my son go that he may serve me"."

This has nothing to do with the op

New King James Version
Acts 3:25 - You are the sons of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying to Abraham, 'And in your seed all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning every one of you away from his iniquities

COMPARE IT
King James Version
Acts 3:25 - Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Acts 3:26 - Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities

I also don't know what these verses prove or disprove

HOLY SPIRIT AND HOLY GHOST MEAN ANGEL GABRIEL
Matthew 1:18
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

Compare now with Luke 1:26-27
26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Mattew mentioned holy ghost and luke mentioned the angel gabriel, so the HOLY GHOST is then the ANGEL GABRIEL

False. You should have continued reading Luke Chapter 1 from 26 down to 35 and you would have come across this:

Luke 1:35 The angel answered, The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.

The above verse shows Gabriel is not the same as the Holy Spirit.

From my explanation above God is ONE not three person
Thks

Nice try but no cigar. Thanks