coogar:
who cares whether the law is just or unjust? when there's no law, there's no crime. when there's law then there's simply no excuse.

Really? So you don't care if the law is just or unjust? I see.

it's just baffling that learned people like you are so stiff to learn beyond your noses.

it's a shame!

What exactly was I supposed to learn and why is it shameful that I didn't?

coogar: i am telling you what obtains in my neck of the woods & you are saying it's not true. you must be having a laugh. a woman must consent 100% for it to be sex......otherwise, it's räpe!

And I am telling you that if that is the case in your neck of the woods, then the law makers at your end are upholding an unjust law.

ihedinobi2: Weird gender equality.

Radical feminism is a terrible kind of madness.

coogar:

no, it doesn't
a woman has to say yes to sex to qualify it as consensual sex. lack of resistance does not suggest consensual sex. lawyers will use the technicality that she was too scared or too shocked to resist. this is why i said rapë cases are very complex cases.

That's simply not true especially in the example being discussed.

TheBigUrban2: Is that why Isreal is blowing up civilian houses?

So you are not denying that Hamas is attacking from civilian areas?

frosbel:

Have you independently verified this hearsay ?

Here you go: http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools

Now your turn: Did you independently verify that Israel was purposely attacking Palestinian civilians and not because military assets were hidden amongst civilians?

I am not painting you as one, you sound like one.

Please highlight one thing I have said so far that makes me sound like one.

TheBigUrban2:
Lies. How can you not blame Isreal? they have some of the best technology and they were bombing civilian areas. Ask them how many Hamas members they got with their bombs.

Are you saying that it is a lie i.e. Hamas are not specifically firing missiles from schools, hospitals and orphanages?

Isreal at times too have broken ceasefire.

So?

So put down your old testament support of Isreal and acknowledge that both sides have terrorists.

You assume too much

frosbel:


But who told you Palestinians were using their children.

If you did some research you will find out that Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas on earth hence the rumour that they hide behind women and children.

But Israel bombing densely populated areas despite knowing that women and children live in these places tantamounts to a massacre and is a war crime. Netanyahu should be arrested and dragged to the Internal court of justice and tried for this crimes.

On the other hand, I do not support Hamas targeting and terrorising civilians, in fact I am not pro-Hamas.

No sir, you are wrong. Hamas are not merely firing missiles from residential areas, they are specifically firing missiles from schools and orphanages and making sure not to evacuate the children. That is what a war crime is.

I have no more time for Christian Zionists who support all the blood spilling in the middle east because somehow the Jews are superior to the Arabs and despite been away for over 2000 years they can simple walk into the land and claim all of it for themselves. SMH.

I am not a Christian Zionist (whatever that means). It is funny to see you desperately try to paint me into a box

rationalmind: ^ ^^

Lol, as evasive as ever

Please don't blame me for your inability to ask clear questions.

frosbel:

But how could they have rejected the Jewish God if they did not know him for starters ?

The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
- Romans 1:18-20.

God is self-evident in His creation. There is no such thing as "the Jewish God" there is only God.

frosbel: Propaganda as if I am a Palestinian activist ! Smh.

You sound like one.

Pal, I am against violence on both sides but if you want to justify the bombing of homes etc, then check your heart again to confirm if Jesus is still in it.

Yes Christ is in me and I too am against violence on both sides. All I asked you to do was to tell the whole truth. I do not blame Israel from firing missiles back at their enemies rather I blame Palestinians for using their own children as human shields. Will you condemn this wicked act? Or will you continue to tell a lie by making it seem as if Israel purposely targeted children? If you are willing to continue to propagate this lie then check your heart to confirm whether Christ was ever there.

frosbel:

and the rest are damned ??

If they reject God. Yes

lanaVello1: To me,the statement in capitals has already connoted an element of consent

My point exactly.

frosbel: Fellow Christians, will you continue to support Gods so called chosen people as they inflict terrible suffering and death on the Palestinians ?

Very compelling pictures. Please while pushing your propaganda, don't leave out the fact that Hamas use children as human shields by firing their missiles from civilian areas instead of military bases.

rationalmind:

An housemaid for instance who's an orphan.

Do you think it's fair to deny her equal rights with let's say ones children?

If yes, why?

If no, you've answered your question yourself.

Again it depends on the privilege in particular. Please what rights in particular do you mean?

Since Mr Anony is curious to know why people should be treated equally despite not been equal, his thoughts might help in satisfying his curiosity.

If my thoughts were already sufficient to satisfy my curiosity then I wouldn't need to be curious. Would I?

rationalmind:
Do you think depriving people of certain privileges as a result of circumstances entirely beyond their control is fair?

If yes, care to explain why?

It depends on the privileges and the circumstances in particular. Care to give a practical example?

If no, there you have your answer as to why people ought to be treated equally despite not being equal.

I hope you are not suggesting that the reason why people ought to be treated equally despite not being equal is because of what Mr Anony thinks

TheBigUrban2:
I have given clear examples. It is not my fault that you want to close your eyes

You have? Where?

Onyegecha:

They don't need to tell us anything. It is obvious.

Interesting....

When you believe that a book written by human beings is the word of of God, it goes against common sense.

Why do you think that it is impossible for God to deliver His word through human beings?

Believing that there are is one God and yet you split him into three can only happen in the realm of the illogical.

I wonder who splits God into three. please name the person.

Believing that only the religion you practice can take one to God is crazy.

Why do you think that it is crazy for there to be only one way to God?

How can anyone swallow the story of the tower of Babel if he does not first divest himself of all elements of common sense?

What is it about the story of babel that is anti-common sense?

Any attempt to reason with believers will be met with the cliche that there is no logic in the word of God. You just have to believe without proof.

I wonder what sort of believers you have been meeting.

Apatheist:
I disagree.

So you agree with him that there is no such thing as the sanctity of human life?

TheBigUrban2:
Judaism, Christianity, Islam.....these three are illogical religions.

Which of them told you that logic is not allowed?

Please quote from the bible, the torah and the quran the passages that told you to avoid logic.

striktlymi:

I am not repeating myself.

Repeat yourself? I don't recall you ever explaining why it is fair to give unequal people an equal right. If you have, please show where you did this

striktlymi:

If you did not pick and choose, what then happened to the rest of the answer I gave you?

"If one human being can be allowed to live without anyone determining whether it is murdered before birth then the next child deserves the same treatment. Our lives, unlike some other things, belongs to us. It will only be unfair for another to 'destroy' it for very selfish reasons."

The above, all of a sudden, became not part of the answer I provided? You did 'pick and choose'.

Are you saying that the rest of your answer doesn't follow from the first phrase? If so, how does the rest of your answer explain why it is fair to give unequal people an equal right as per the instance I gave you?

striktlymi:

If the clause in bold is only what you saw or understood from my answer then take it. I aint responsible for your 'picking and choosing'.

I didn't pick and choose, I pointed out that you haven't provided a valid answer to the question. You can't go about assuming points that you haven't proven and expect me to nod in agreement.

striktlymi:

Wrong!!!

Using same 'looking glass' is no guaranty that we would see things in same light.

.....and so the semantic game begins. Please explain what you mean here in plain english.

Like you rightly said, your question then was specific to life but this was not the case with your 'second' question. Your 'second' question is generic and cab be applied to very many things not specific to life. To the question on why it is fair to give equal right to life to unequal people, I already answered that before in the link you provided:

I have already given my answer to the specific question you asked.

So I asked: Why is it fair. . . to give unequal people (i.e. the weak and the strong) an equal right to life?

and the best answer you can provide is:

"They should be treated equally because it is fair.....in that instance. If one human being can be allowed to live without anyone determining whether it is murdered before birth then the next child deserves the same treatment. Our lives, unlike some other things, belongs to us. It will only be unfair for another to 'destroy' it for very selfish reasons."

Please go and look up what it means to beg the question.

Onyegecha: We were created to be logical beings. That is what distinguishes us from other animals we call lower beings. We apply logic and common sense in everything we do but when it comes to religion, we are told to keep logic out of it. Is that not why the entire religious world is in chaos?

First of all, animals use logic. Secondly, please which religion is it that tells you to avoid logic?

temigracie: ....adonno oooo..dats y i say tank God whole.....

Ok

temigracie: .....hmmmm,question for the gods ooo.....well,tank God am whole....if u r in d medical line u ll understand waht we r tryn to buttress here......

You have failed to answer my question

striktlymi:

I do believe, firmly I must add, that human beings are not equal in very many ways. A contrary view may be true or false based on the person's perspective; but if we are using the same 'looking glass' then the contrary view is definitely false.

If you are view through the same lens, then it wouldn't be a contrary view. Would it? As usual by trying so hard to sit on the fence, you have effectively said nothing.

Yes, I know I did not answer the question you asked. The answer I gave was with respect to the right question. The right question would be: 'Why do you believe in fair treatment for unequal people?'.

Lol, so you chose to ask yourself another question and then proceed to answer it. Let me remind you that you said here: ( https://www.nairaland.com/1814905/all-men-equal-under-god/3#24776009 ) that it is fair to give unequal people (i.e. the weak and the strong) an equal right to life. I asked you why is it fair?

The bold, above, is what made your question a bit off. I do not believe that unequal people deserve equal treatment. I believe unequal people deserve fair treatment. What is fair need not be equal for everyone.

But I gave you a specific instance which you claimed that in that specific instance ( https://www.nairaland.com/1814905/all-men-equal-under-god/3#24776009 ), it was fair to treat the unequal equally. Please with respect to that specific instance, why is it fair?

Take for instance, the Revenue allocation adopted by the Federal government of Nigeria. This is based on 'derivation' which is backed up by a simple principle: The share of the National wealth, of any state, is based on their revenue generating capacity or their contribution to the National income. The state which contributes more gets more.

Though each state does not get an equal amount from the Federal Government but they do get what (to a large extent) is fair. No state's portion of the National revenue is less than what is needed for effective governance of the state. What is fair need not be what is equal.

This has nothing to do with my question. Just tell me why it is fair to give unequal people an equal right to life

temigracie: ..honestly,i dont understand ur questn...

You just argued that it may be sinful to give birth to a disabled child and it may be better to kill the child before birth. So I asked if it is ok to kill you for your disabilities so as not to deprive you of your "social rights"

Abajosax007: you really need laying of hands.

Why?

Apatheist: Y'all should read about Peter Singer

I have and I think he is twisted.

temigracie: to some pple,abortion is equivalent to murder..whil to some oda pple its just a normal thing....okay,i ll like to direct dis questn to dos wu feel or wu blive its a modern way of murder....in school,we learnt dat dere r several types of congenital anomaly a baby or fetus can have....sometimes it might b life threatening to both d mother and d fetus as well....in a case where,d scan revealed some really really negative thing abt d baby ...for example, a baby with one eye,mental impairment etc....bringing d baby to world, u deprive d baby of its social right,u lock him or her indoor...dont u think dats a sin already....y not do d needful

Will it be fair to kill you if you have one eye or are mentally impaired?