shdemidemi:

Of course they did.. The caveat was for them to believe Jesus was the messiah and they sure did.

I was about dropping a big statement but I would rather keep it lightweight so I don't trouble waters.

Bidam: Ok you should understand also that God gave the covenant to Abraham by promise....the abrahamic covenant continue to this day,it is the mosaic covenant which was broken and superseded.Paul emphasized the distinctiveness of the Abrahamic covenant from the Mosaic when he wrote to the galatians.

shdemidemi:

Bro, I don't think I get what you are driving at, please make it clearer.

Bidam: The beneficiaries of the Abrahamic covenant is first to the jews then the gentiles.The package o the covenant is both physical and spiritual

shdemidemi:

I agree with the statement completely...

But the Jews had no part in the spiritual 'package' through lineage, they had to come through Christ like the Gentiles would, to benefit from that seed of Abraham(Jesus).

Bidam: Look deeply the jews had a spiritual package.They were just stubborn stiffnecked and rebellious

Bidam: Ok you should understand also that God gave the covenant to Abraham by promise....the abrahamic covenant continue to this day,it is the mosaic covenant which was broken and superseded.Paul emphasized the distinctiveness of the Abrahamic covenant from the Mosaic when he wrote to the galatians.

Anomnity:

You are also fully aware that the terrorists began these provocations by killing three innocent Israel youths & went ahead to fire rockets into Israel civilian areas when Israel retaliated against Hamas & not against civilians.

Your hypocrisy will expose you.

PastorAIO:

Na wa for this clumsy somersaulting. Or maybe you don't actually know or have not actually read the Covenant with Abraham from the bible. Forget what the pamphlet that you read said. The Abrahamic Covenant was very simple.

God would make Abraham very fertile and he would have many children.

Those children will live in the land of Canaan and it shall be theirs.

That's God's side of the bargain. The side of the bargain of Abraham's descendants is that they must circumcise their foreskin.


FULL STOP.

Now you are right that the Abrahamic covenant continues to this day. Abraham had many descendants amongst whom we count the Jews and the Arabs.

They inhabit the land formerly called Canaan.

They kept their side of the bargain because they are circumcised, both Jew and Arab.

FULL STOP.

Since that time, no race in the world has been able to take over the Levant and inhabit it. The closest were the Crusaders (I think it was the first crusade) who were uncircumcised europeans. They were driven out.

It would appear that up until today the Abrahamic covenant still stands.


Genesis 17 Common English Bible (CEB)

God’s covenant with Abraham
17 When Abram was 99 years old, the Lord appeared to Abram and said to him, “I am El Shaddai.[a] Walk with me and be trustworthy. 2 I will make a covenant between us and I will give you many, many descendants.” 3 Abram fell on his face, and God said to him, 4 “But me, my covenant is with you; you will be the ancestor of many nations. 5 And because I have made you the ancestor of many nations, your name will no longer be Abram[b] but Abraham.[c] 6 I will make you very fertile. I will produce nations from you, and kings will come from you. 7 I will set up my covenant with you and your descendants after you in every generation as an enduring covenant. I will be your God and your descendants’ God after you. 8 I will give you and your descendants the land in which you are immigrants, the whole land of Canaan, as an enduring possession. And I will be their God.”

9 God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant, you and your descendants in every generation. 10 This is my covenant that you and your descendants must keep: Circumcise every male. 11 You must circumcise the flesh of your foreskins, and it will be a symbol of the covenant between us. 12 On the eighth day after birth, every male in every generation must be circumcised, including those who are not your own children: those born in your household and those purchased with silver from foreigners. 13 Be sure you circumcise those born in your household and those purchased with your silver. Your flesh will embody my covenant as an enduring covenant. 14 Any uncircumcised male whose flesh of his foreskin remains uncircumcised will be cut off from his people. He has broken my covenant.”

Bidam: I would have ignored this post but for other viewers who are sincere seekers of truth and might be mislead by your error here i would clarify.Though failure to be circumcised is said to constitute breaking the covenant and ONLY the individual MALE would be cut off and excluded from participation in the promises, nowhere in the bible did it say that individual failure could nullify the UNCONDITIONAL NATURE of the covenant with other descendants of Abraham and this is where the gentiles come in by Faith in Christ. If you wanna argue this you can take it up with Apostle Paul in Romans 4.

Since you are neither a christian nor a lover of Pauline epistles you can read up Gal 3:16, Gal 3:8-9, Gal3:29 to understand what me and shdemidemi are talking about.
The gentiles are not bound by an external law of circumcision to inherit the promises of Abraham. It came through Christ. Full Stop.

frosbel:

You are a clear example of religious hypocrisy gone mad and yet YOU have the gall to call me a hypocrite.

Imagine if you were living in your village and someone came to lay claim to it and forced you out based on some 1000 year ancestral right from God, you mean you will accept it ??

The Bible says we should love our enemies and bless those who curse us, you are clearly in rebellion against this scripture because not only do you support Israel retaliating which in a small measure can be excused as self defence, but you support their bombing of highly dense human habitats with the resultant collateral of hundreds of lives including children and women. But hey who cares , they are not God's chosen people, so kill them all, no ? Tell me , if your wife or child was among the dead, how will you feel ? Do you know there are also Christians in these areas who are being killed as well.

Go and meditate on the following scripture :

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God. " - Matt 5:9



SMH

striktlymi: Israel's action is overtly very excessive but for those who condemn their actions in the strongest possible term: what exactly do you want them to do when faced with an headstrong people like themselves?

PastorAIO:

And you have missed the hard historical fact which forms the backbone of my post.

God's side of the covenant was to make Abraham fertile and to give the land of Canaan to his descendants.

The Historical Fact is that NO UNCIRCUMCISED PERSON HAS EVER POSSESSED THE LAND FORMERLY KNOWN AS CANAAN AS AN INHERITANCE.

You can somersault all you want but if you believe the abrahamic covenant and it's promise then you will see that it has been fulfilled even up until this present day.

You can yab me all you want and say I am not a christian or a lover of Paul's epistles but that does not change the historical fact that the only people that inhabit Canaan are descendants of Abraham who are circumcised.

I don't need to read any of your passages from Paul... UNLESS ... it addresses your claim that God's promise to Abraham had nothing to do with the inheritance of the Land formerly known as Canaan, and that such inheritance was independed of circumcision.

If you can provide a verse that contradicts this claim that I've made then I'll accept after you cross one more hurdle. The last hurdle will be to then explain how come till today no uncircumcised people in history have settled successfully in the land.

frosbel: Fellow Christians, will you continue to support Gods so called chosen people as they inflict terrible suffering and death on the Palestinians ?

davidylan:

Well i'd like to know how much of a peacemaker you are the next time France decides to spend their time lobbing bombs indiscriminately at London. I'm very sure you won't respond. Afterall you're a man of "peace".

MrAnony1:
Very compelling pictures. Please while pushing your propaganda, don't leave out the fact that Hamas use children as human shields by firing their missiles from civilian areas instead of military bases.

frosbel:

and why would they do that ?

Bidam: I didn't, you clearly do not understand what me and shdemidemi were discussing, you jumped in on our conversation.
That wasn't the only part of the bargain. There was a bigger picture which includes Christ and this is where you erred, you accused me of not reading the bible and copying from a pamphlet when you yourself clearly do not know nor understand the nature of the Abrahamic covenant.
I am not interested in your history lessons but what is stated clearly in the Bible. You only talked about land while the The Abrahamic covenant comprised of A. Land B. Seed and C. Blessing.
You can also be ignorant all you want i already quoted bible verses for you to read and be liberated which you stubbornly refused to do so.
So you were oblivious of the fact that you called my post a "clumsy somersault and a pamphlet read" abi? Who is yabing who here? Talk about double standard and hypocrisy.SMH!
You need to read it and be free from ignorance which you have in gigantic proportions.
I don't need to. The Abrahamic covenant is foundational to ALL of scripture. It is key to both old and new testaments and is foundational to the whole program of redemption. The christians are not interested in a land mass and neither am i interested in arguing land with you here which wasn't what me and shdemidemi were talking about before you BOSSED in on my post.Abraham's obedience and relationship with God by Faith before he was even circumscised is the point here and scripture records that through Abraham All the families of the Earth( not canaan which you hinged your arguement upon) shall be blessed. The earth is the Lord and the fullness thereof, we christians are looking forward to a city whose builder and maker is God.

And scripture has told me that if i belong to Christ then i am Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise( Gal.3:29).I believe the Holy Spirit and Apostle paul here than your lies and history lessons.

Scripture foresaw that God would justify the gentiles by faith and announced the gospel in advance to Abraham: ALL NATIONS WILL BE BLESSED THROUGH YOU. SO THOSE WHO HAVE FAITH ARE BLESSED ALONG WITH ABRAHAM, THE MAN OF FAITH( Gal3:8-9). I believe apostle Paul and the Holy Spirit here than your lies and history lessons.

.....so then he is the father of ALL who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. And he is also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also walked in the footsteps that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised...( Romans 4:11b-12) and lastly i'd rather believe the Holy Spirit and apostle Paul in all these verses i quoted than you lies and history lessons. Cheers!

davidylan:

You mean its "very excessive" in comparison to America's response to 9-11? Syria, Libya, Pakistan, Iraq... even the Nigerian military response to the Odi killings?

davidylan:
I'm at a loss as to what these PC crowd expect Israel to do?

davidylan:
Its easy to criticize from the comfort of your high chair. Lucky you, you dont have to download an app to remind you of the next hamas rocket heading your way.

striktlymi:

Let me get something straight. Are you saying that a wrong doing would be okay when it is compared with another wrong?







I guess you are finding it hot in the discomfort of your low chair expecting the next live missile from Hamas?

nep2ra: This is where the world's major religions get it wrong.

The 'God' that exists is not the exclusive reserve of one race or people.

This is the root of the religious problems we face. There is no Jewish God, Arab God, Hindu God e.t.c

My refusal to NEVER lay claim to a Jewish 'God' or be connected to a Jewish heritage is what made me drop Christianity.

Enjoy your day folks

shdemidemi:

If I may ask, what other God do you subscribe to at the moment since the Jewish God don't seem to cut it for you?

shdemidemi: ^^ thanks for the response bro

What I gathered from the above is someone wanting to see or hear God before believing He is the true God[/b]... Am I right with this?

frosbel:

Propaganda as if I am a Palestinian activist ! Smh.

Pal, I am against violence on both sides but if you want to justify the bombing of homes etc, then check your heart again to confirm if Jesus is still in it.

nep2ra: This is where the world's major religions get it wrong.

The 'God' that exists is not the exclusive reserve of one race or people.

This is the root of the religious problems we face. There is no Jewish God, Arab God, Hindu God e.t.c

My refusal to NEVER lay claim to a Jewish 'God' or be connected to a Jewish heritage is what made me drop Christianity.

Enjoy your day folks

shdemidemi: I don't think I chose christianity cos i was born into a christian family..... if anything, being from a christian family was one thing i hated the most, growing up. Although, I won't deny the influence my family had on me which raised the quest and hunger to know what the fuss was all about.

I was a true renegade until I had personal encounters that needed something more than what my physical strength or know how could solve. I decided to visit all sorts of churches as long as they had church written on their walls. My initial intention was how to solve my personal problems, but I became more hungry for God as times went by than the solution to my problems.

After checking a few churches, i got to a place where God was taught like He should be taught. I realised the edge christianity has over any other religion that is around, be it judaism, Islam etc.

Christianity painted me as who i really am- wicked and evil and how I can never meet the perfect standard of God. It explains how God Himself had to redeem me from death and condemnation by paying a price that demanded Him to be beaten, spat on, rejected, disgraced and killed by those He created.

I do not see a place for rancor or wars in christianity cos it humbles me so much that I would love to adhere to any law of this God that did so much for my soul.

shdemidemi: I don't think I chose christianity cos i was born into a christian family..... if anything, being from a christian family was one thing i hated the most, growing up. Although, I won't deny the influence my family had on me which raised the quest and hunger to know what the fuss was all about.

I was a true renegade until I had personal encounters that needed something more than what my physical strength or know how could solve. I decided to visit all sorts of churches as long as they had church written on their walls. My initial intention was how to solve my personal problems, but I became more hungry for God as times went by than the solution to my problems.

After checking a few churches, i got to a place where God was taught like He should be taught. I realised the edge christianity has over any other religion that is around, be it judaism, Islam etc.

Christianity painted me as who i really am- wicked and evil and how I can never meet the perfect standard of God. It explains how God Himself had to redeem me from death and condemnation by paying a price that demanded Him to be beaten, spat on, rejected, disgraced and killed by those He created.

I do not see a place for rancor or wars in christianity cos it humbles me so much that I would love to adhere to any law of this God that did so much for my soul.

nep2ra:


...and this is how you found your personal enlightenment. Other people can tell more inspiring stories of what made them choose their path. I have a female Latvian friend who never believed in the concept of 'God' or the need to. A former boyfriend tried to convert her to Christianity but she didn't feel at ease with Christianity. Now she claims to have found peace in Islam and wholeheartedly worships Allah which such admirable fervor. She would defend Islam as being the only true Religion and tell anyone who cares to listen that her way is the right way to God. This is the path she chose. You can't tell me there is no substance to her belief.